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truthseeker's avatar

Covid is not the problem, Government is the problem. We have lived and died with respiratory viruses for many years without hysterics, worthless masks, and destroying everything with asinine lockdowns. Some get their flu shots, others opt out. This has never been a problem. Covid is comparable to the annual flu. Every year respiratory viruses take out some vulnerable people, vaccines or not. This will never change. Those who are agonizing over covid are really agonizing over the harm being done to them by corrupt bureaucracies, politicians, academia, so called experts, and the media. I'm 75 years old and do not fear covid. I choose to live in a place where I have more freedom than typical big city dwellers. I am a retired Ph.D. psychologist who specialized in trauma therapy. It sickens me to see the trauma being inflicted upon the USA by petty tyrants using covid as a weapon. If you must obsess, obsess over how you can work toward ending the tyranny being rapidly imposed upon a previously relatively free society. Today it's covid, tomorrow it will be something else. This will never end unless we put a stop to it.

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Argos's avatar

So true! I obsess because I live in a city (San Francisco) where I need proof of vax to have coffee in my neighborhood cafe or to simply socialize with so-called friends.

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Tigerkatze's avatar

Me too. I avoid it. Peninsula doesn’t require it.

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Brian Mowrey's avatar

I have so much curiosity about how it is really going. I almost want to drive up just to see what happens if I try to get a coffee in the FW or Fillmore McDonald's

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Don’t waste your time or gas! I was just up in The Bay Area & Marin & Sonoma Counties last month. The energy of the place is OPPRESSIVE….there are a lot of Sheeple and even people who are for personal & medical freedoms have caved in to the oppressive energy as well. It’s very sad…I lived there in my mid to late 20’s & then again in my early 30s…went to college in Santa Cruz, so I know the Bay Area! I have no desire to return unless I absolutely have to!

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Brian Mowrey's avatar

I am sure you are right - but on Fillmore they deal drugs right outside the McDonald's all day long, you can see it through the glass wall. The cognitive dissonance of being refused a coffee for not being vaccinated twenty feet from visible, armed drug dealers - I feel like I would be like William Shatner describing space afterward!

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Argos's avatar

The concern for public "health" and "safety" is such a joke here. Hundreds of poor souls have been living in squalor on the streets for years but somehow I am a threat to public health because I'm not vaccinated. Rats, human feces, lice....all good though as long as we're all masked and vaxxed.

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Brian Mowrey's avatar

If you want to prove the existence of the innate immune system, go to the locker room of any pre-pandemic Planet Fitness or 24 Hour Fitness locker room in the Bay one time and live to tell about it. Not to mention the PH Whole Foods bathroom.

But _this_ virus has been slotted into the collectively-believed-in agent of cosmic punishment for moral transgression usually reserved for God. Atheism is not compatible with the psychological health of most people who profess to practice it, so they map religious logic over the material world to salve existential anxieties. This is just one of the many results.

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Argos's avatar

The homeless at least have been relatively untouched by covid. I've been riding public transit almost every day since March 2020 and have been in proximity to many street people and I think that's been beneficial in terms of virus immunity. Here in San Francisco we have had at least 3x the deaths from overdose alone than from covid. Of course I think the kool-aid drinkers would attribute that to our masks and high vax rate.

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Brian Mowrey's avatar

lol - even though SF had a larger summer wave than last year *with* the pseudo-vaccine, just like FL. But there's so many overlaying confounding factors - lots of immune "exercise" from the squalor, less use of AC, lots of smoking - that I hesitate to even try to explain anything about how the virus has played out in CA. I stayed in the Bay as long as I could before the lockdown hoping to catch it and get it done with but in retrospect it was one of the "safest" places to be.

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Well the SF police let people steal shit all day long from all the local Walgreens & CVS as well as stealing high price handbags from store down in Union Square, and do nothing, so they won’t be hassling the folks conducting business outside of the McD’s in the Fillmore! I I bet business is up for those guys during these times! 😼

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Ed's avatar

find the land of the free.....

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

I feel your pain…was just up in the Bay Area in September. Visited an elderly aunt in The City & stayed up in Sebastopol on a rural property. Though Sonoma County is not as ‘restrictive’ as SF the WHOLE Bay Area, down through Santa Cruz feels very oppressive as well as the energy of the whole area feels the same. I live in SoCA down near the border. We are so much freer down here and our personal & medical freedom community is very active and growing bigger everyday! Who knew SoCA would be the hotbed of Liberty and Freedom in CA! (And you can forget LA, it too is as bad as SF! )

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Brian Mowrey's avatar

I was at lunch with two acquaintances visiting from LA and didn't connect the dots until halfway through - I asked them how they can deal with it and they started babbling about how it's so nice that things are open again! Then onto description of how kids love masks. Sadly I was not drinking.

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Argos's avatar

The laptop wfh class and affluent retired seem to have adapted quite well I'm afraid.

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Schrödinger's Cat's avatar

Truthseeker - well said!

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Melisa Idelson's avatar

I couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and I have seen a huge increase in patients presenting with increased anxiety, depression, ocd and substance abuse related to fears about the pandemic, all due to government and media overhype of the dangers.

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CMCM's avatar

Stated perfectly!

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Birdingmom's avatar

Amen! Do not comply.

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Rose Loomis's avatar

Truth here!

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