i am just a kitten and not a big important FDA chair or ADCOM head, but i think maybe that finding out in 2025 if the vaccine was safe for your heart and 2027 if it was safe for your baby is kind of a bit late, isn’t it?
i mean, mightn’t you want to know those things, you know, BEFORE you took or mandated it?
because it kind of seems like you would.
running a botulism test on the food you just ate and getting the results back from the lab in a month seems maybe less than super helpful…
The problem is that the vast majority will not put the effort into sorting through the massive # of articles & "news" stories to get a balanced view of what is happening. The real damage done by covid it what it has done to peoples brains.
Dan - I agree but, to the "massive # of articles ...", I would add the phrase: "and horrendously tangled and conflicting...".
I certainly do not possess the knowledge, skill -- or time -- to make sense of the obfuscations and outright lies in an esoteric field with which I am barely conversant. In my case, "barely" is a stretch all by itself!
The bigger goal is vax ID cards. Without them, they can't track their subject's every move and proceed with other future globalist plans...Ex:: Do what govt tells you and you might be able to drive. Do what govt tells you and you might be able to open your bank account. Do wrong and you don't have healthcare.
subo - Yep! The ID cards, along with the hyped-up panic, also inure the world's sheep into accepting and even eagerly seeking the last few verses of Revelation 13. Can't buy, sell, or even move about without them. This isn't "it" yet, but it's awfully **** close.
The rubber meets the road starting in October. I follow the data in the US extremely closely, and can make a pretty good prediction that the Winter/Fall wave coming up will be 20-50% larger than the one from last year. It will interesting to see what the vaccine mandaters do in response to incontravertible evidence the vaccines failed in their primary stated goal. One thing they <i>will do</i> is start rolling out the vaccine designed for Delta, long after Delta starts to recede and is replaced by the next widespread variant. So, you will have to get 2 doses for the Delta vaccine followed up by its booster next year, then rinse and repeat.
I have written it many times already since this started- the key to ending the panic is to stop testing for the disease in any setting other than a hospital with in-patients. As long as we keep testing in the US at 1-2 million PCR tests/day, we will keep seeing these seasonal waves, and the of the positives 0.1-0.5% of those positives will die of something within a calender year.
Isn't this virus simply "out there" - everywhere in the environment now? Just like all the other flu bugs and their variants? It's prevalence may wax and wane with the seasons or as conditions change, but it seems to me that it's irreversibly everywhere if "they" choose look hard enough with sufficiently sensitive equipment (or with lies and exaggerations).
Yes 👏 the virus also easily passed to our feline companions (all the domestic house cats) they are a known reservoir species. Unknown if our pets can infect back to humans.
The FDA has been doing this for decades. Same for CDC. Nothing about this situation is new or unexpected, frankly. Pfizer spent good money investing in receiving *exactly* this type of outcome. Apparently, it was money well spent! 🤡
on that, i must disagree. i have spent decades working with an interacting with the FDA and while, sure, there's always been a bit of politics and crony capitalism, i've never seen anything remotely like what has happened over the last 2 years.
gottlieb was actually doing a solid job.
this is a whole new level.
makes you wonder about precisely why he left so abruptly...
also note we have had an acting FDA head for 2 years. she's still not confirmed. this means that she is, in effect, still interviewing for the job and when to to jump, better ask "how high?"
Hell, you could be correct. I spent 17 years in regulated medical devices, although that was a couple decades ago, so had my share of interaction with FDA as well. More recently, I have been reading history of vaccines and vaccine policy. (Additionally, I have exchanged interaction with the FDA for interaction with the FRA. I cannot escape!) The CDC, at least according to some, is more like "a vaccine distribution company" than a scientific agency. We could certainly debate *when* regulatory capture began in earnest, but likely, the exact when is less important than acknowledging that it is damned-near complete at this point, AFAIK.
Luckily theres no potential conflict of interest for a former FDA commissioner to be on the board of the company that successfully advanced the fastest vaccine approval ever in the US, circumventing public comment and trial completion.
It’s clear that the three letter agencies these days simply cater to the corporations they are supposed to be overseeing.
FDA did not take into account clinical trial data after the first 6 months of the trial. In other words, this is the same data that the recommendations were based on earlier, without taking into account the Delta cases showing waning vaccine immunity, breakthrough cases and hospitalizations etc.....They also did not do this with the committee review that usually is an important step in the process. Why?
Ed: You're right. Why would they quit lying about it now? The FDA approval is completely meaningless -- well, except that "approval" (cough, cough) undermines one of the legal objections used by people who wish to avoid the jabs.
Just like lots of our fellow festivals and events, Boardmasters Festival will ask all ticket holders aged 11 and over to demonstrate their COVID-19 status via the NHS COVID Pass upon arrival at the festival gates before entering, by providing ONE of the following:
✔️ Proof of a negative Lateral Flow Test taken within 24 hours of arrival at the festival gates
OR
✔️ Proof of being vaccinated with both doses (with the second dose being received at least 14 days before the festival)
OR
✔️ Proof of natural immunity following a positive PCR test (providing it has been at least 10 days since your PCR test and up to 180 days after taking the test)
Camping ticket holders will also be required to take a second NHS Lateral Flow Test during the event on Friday 13th August and log their results in the NHS COVID Pass. Camping ticket holders must bring Lateral Flow Tests with them to take at the festival.
My guess is that if they crank up the sensitivity of the PCR test enough, they'll find Covid all over my shoes and even the front bumper of my car. And, no, I haven't run over or kicked any covid positive folks either.
I mean isn't this what Emergency and not full authorization is for? Similar to the whole right to try. Approve enough to give people the option if they really want/need it but don't pretend like it meets normal safety standards or factor in these potential risks
This tweet links to chart out of UK showing results of Delta on vax'd / unvax'd. When taking into account the % of population vax'd then a benefit does show up. However, no where near the 99.4% effectiveness touted by CDC. It would be great if El Gato Malo would add his $0.02 to it.
I think their goal was to legitimize the vaccines (easier to push mandates) but the result for many will be loss of credibility in the FDA
bingo.
The problem is that the vast majority will not put the effort into sorting through the massive # of articles & "news" stories to get a balanced view of what is happening. The real damage done by covid it what it has done to peoples brains.
Dan - I agree but, to the "massive # of articles ...", I would add the phrase: "and horrendously tangled and conflicting...".
I certainly do not possess the knowledge, skill -- or time -- to make sense of the obfuscations and outright lies in an esoteric field with which I am barely conversant. In my case, "barely" is a stretch all by itself!
The bigger goal is vax ID cards. Without them, they can't track their subject's every move and proceed with other future globalist plans...Ex:: Do what govt tells you and you might be able to drive. Do what govt tells you and you might be able to open your bank account. Do wrong and you don't have healthcare.
subo - Yep! The ID cards, along with the hyped-up panic, also inure the world's sheep into accepting and even eagerly seeking the last few verses of Revelation 13. Can't buy, sell, or even move about without them. This isn't "it" yet, but it's awfully **** close.
Yes, that's exactly what it was.
"Not FDA approved yet? OK, here you go. Now get the shot."
no
Tinner -- count my "vote" as a ditto.
Criminal corrupt, immoral
Abandoning 1000 years of human rights precedents and caving to political expediency. Crime against humanity
So if they vaccinated the control group how did they even have a study to review to give approval?
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
The rubber meets the road starting in October. I follow the data in the US extremely closely, and can make a pretty good prediction that the Winter/Fall wave coming up will be 20-50% larger than the one from last year. It will interesting to see what the vaccine mandaters do in response to incontravertible evidence the vaccines failed in their primary stated goal. One thing they <i>will do</i> is start rolling out the vaccine designed for Delta, long after Delta starts to recede and is replaced by the next widespread variant. So, you will have to get 2 doses for the Delta vaccine followed up by its booster next year, then rinse and repeat.
I have written it many times already since this started- the key to ending the panic is to stop testing for the disease in any setting other than a hospital with in-patients. As long as we keep testing in the US at 1-2 million PCR tests/day, we will keep seeing these seasonal waves, and the of the positives 0.1-0.5% of those positives will die of something within a calender year.
Isn't this virus simply "out there" - everywhere in the environment now? Just like all the other flu bugs and their variants? It's prevalence may wax and wane with the seasons or as conditions change, but it seems to me that it's irreversibly everywhere if "they" choose look hard enough with sufficiently sensitive equipment (or with lies and exaggerations).
The result will be unending panic mongering.
Yes 👏 the virus also easily passed to our feline companions (all the domestic house cats) they are a known reservoir species. Unknown if our pets can infect back to humans.
LOL house cat flu. https://youtu.be/ZPrh-1Tu-gE
Hysterical 😆😆 great find 👍
Great clip, Anne!
Motsumi5150 - I hadn't seen that about cats. Australia just intentionally killed a bunch of rescue dogs for this reason. Global insanity reigns.
The FDA has been doing this for decades. Same for CDC. Nothing about this situation is new or unexpected, frankly. Pfizer spent good money investing in receiving *exactly* this type of outcome. Apparently, it was money well spent! 🤡
on that, i must disagree. i have spent decades working with an interacting with the FDA and while, sure, there's always been a bit of politics and crony capitalism, i've never seen anything remotely like what has happened over the last 2 years.
gottlieb was actually doing a solid job.
this is a whole new level.
makes you wonder about precisely why he left so abruptly...
also note we have had an acting FDA head for 2 years. she's still not confirmed. this means that she is, in effect, still interviewing for the job and when to to jump, better ask "how high?"
that's a recipe for regulatory capture.
Hell, you could be correct. I spent 17 years in regulated medical devices, although that was a couple decades ago, so had my share of interaction with FDA as well. More recently, I have been reading history of vaccines and vaccine policy. (Additionally, I have exchanged interaction with the FDA for interaction with the FRA. I cannot escape!) The CDC, at least according to some, is more like "a vaccine distribution company" than a scientific agency. We could certainly debate *when* regulatory capture began in earnest, but likely, the exact when is less important than acknowledging that it is damned-near complete at this point, AFAIK.
And the FDA and big PHARMA is like a revolving DOOR
true, except they haven't forced their crap on everyone until now.
Luckily theres no potential conflict of interest for a former FDA commissioner to be on the board of the company that successfully advanced the fastest vaccine approval ever in the US, circumventing public comment and trial completion.
It’s clear that the three letter agencies these days simply cater to the corporations they are supposed to be overseeing.
Indeed 🤔 Stephen Hahn now with Moderna and his predecessor who mention is with Pfizer
FDA did not take into account clinical trial data after the first 6 months of the trial. In other words, this is the same data that the recommendations were based on earlier, without taking into account the Delta cases showing waning vaccine immunity, breakthrough cases and hospitalizations etc.....They also did not do this with the committee review that usually is an important step in the process. Why?
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-full-approval-pfizer-vaccine-lack-scientific-debate/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=2a8cae2f-18f9-48b2-ab50-39686590e40e
This has been my argument all along. There's no way to no the long term effects because THERE HASN'T BEEN A LONG TERM YET!
Don't tell me it's "perfectly safe" because there is no way you can know that yet.
Just borrowed Doc's De Lorean, no worry, the reports will be as fixed as Lance Armstrong blood tests.
fda approval is meaningless. there are many other ill effects from mrna vaccines, and artificially induced proteins, and immune ragings.
Ed: You're right. Why would they quit lying about it now? The FDA approval is completely meaningless -- well, except that "approval" (cough, cough) undermines one of the legal objections used by people who wish to avoid the jabs.
when legal is not right the people have been betrayed.......
Maybe this is the epic failure we've been waiting for...
"Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660
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https://www.boardmasters.com/info/boardmasters-covid-19-policy-requirements
COVID-19 POLICY
Just like lots of our fellow festivals and events, Boardmasters Festival will ask all ticket holders aged 11 and over to demonstrate their COVID-19 status via the NHS COVID Pass upon arrival at the festival gates before entering, by providing ONE of the following:
✔️ Proof of a negative Lateral Flow Test taken within 24 hours of arrival at the festival gates
OR
✔️ Proof of being vaccinated with both doses (with the second dose being received at least 14 days before the festival)
OR
✔️ Proof of natural immunity following a positive PCR test (providing it has been at least 10 days since your PCR test and up to 180 days after taking the test)
Camping ticket holders will also be required to take a second NHS Lateral Flow Test during the event on Friday 13th August and log their results in the NHS COVID Pass. Camping ticket holders must bring Lateral Flow Tests with them to take at the festival.
My guess is that if they crank up the sensitivity of the PCR test enough, they'll find Covid all over my shoes and even the front bumper of my car. And, no, I haven't run over or kicked any covid positive folks either.
Of course, they may just recommend another shot of their magic potion...
What about Kabul, Afganistan, I don't see too many there wearing face masks....
https://www.exitfest.org/en/scientific-study-shows-no-covid-infections-at-exit-festival
They used similar entrance criteria at Boardfest...and now they have thousands of cases.
We'll know long before 2025 about the safety of the jab, and it won't be because some people did a study about it. The evidence will be all around us.
DID anyone tell them to look at VAERS cause maybe they don't know about it?
I mean isn't this what Emergency and not full authorization is for? Similar to the whole right to try. Approve enough to give people the option if they really want/need it but don't pretend like it meets normal safety standards or factor in these potential risks
This tweet links to chart out of UK showing results of Delta on vax'd / unvax'd. When taking into account the % of population vax'd then a benefit does show up. However, no where near the 99.4% effectiveness touted by CDC. It would be great if El Gato Malo would add his $0.02 to it.
The FDA has killed more people than it has saved. Nothing is changing
Seems mighty logical to me.
I mean el gatito's humorous sarcasm, not the FDA "news" item.
The biggest issue that I see is that we have this perverse notion that consensus within the scientific community is a good thing. I am really surprised that this oldie but goodie lies forgotten covered by the sands of time - https://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf
New Zealand: "All of the cases have or are being transferred safely to a managed isolation facility"
https://twitter.com/covid19nz/status/1430003973004546050
Sorry, Forgot the link. https://twitter.com/dontbetyet/status/1430084984732274704?s=03
These are criminal acts being performed. We have have completely lost the plot here as a society.
THAT is s CRIME and why is WOODCOCK at the FDA she is responsible for the debacle with Fenty and Oxy!!!