our vet is the best ever. No psyop here. No masks, no injections, just come in as usual, go into the room with dog and doctor, and no distancing. This vet knew the truth for sure. Also no forced vaxx, not for the humans nor for the animals. Found a gold clump !
my BIL's was a quack. The vet's assistant gave him crap about not wearing a mask, right as his dog was taking a crap. He retorted "can you smell that?" she nodded, and he reminded her if you can smell the crap, your mask doesn't work. In fact, he said "its literal shit" She looked ashamed and left the room, not acknowledging the crapiness of the masking smh
That’s awesome. Our old vet required masks, we said we didn’t have any. The front desk staff looked confused but they still let us back. Proving that standing up to this nonsense is the way.
Our vet clinic here in the People's Republic of Silicon Valley were among the most rabid Branch Covidians of them all.
No one was allowed in the building, had to call from a numbered parking spot and wait until a gloved and masked (usually 2x) tech came out, who would not come near the car unless everyone inside was masked.
Once out of the car, had to unleash the beasts as only the vet's leashes were allowed, and back off while the tech leashed them back up and took them inside.
With, of course, the ridiculous charade repeated after spending upward of an hour sitting in the car.
same issue here. My vet retired & took my older cat in to the new, young vet for diarrhea, had to stay in the car, a gloved & double masked tech took her in, the vet calls me & spends 30 minutes telling me that she needs tests, & a specialist for several totally unrelated issues. I refuse over & over, just need something to stop the diarrhea & 30 minutes later the tech finally brings out a liquid med, & my cat who smells like a dog & is spitting mad. The med didn't work, so I searched the internet, found out adding pumpkin to her food solved the problem. I'm looking for a new vet that is over 50 & knows how to listen & respond to what you bring the pet in for.
You can buy pumpkin cat food as well! I get different cans of quality food for our spoiled cat 😻. What a difference! One of his favs is RAWZ…a couple have pumpkin in them with chicken, etc.
I left my vet of almost 20 years because they did this insanity. The one I found didn’t buy into any of the Covid creation and his view of the vaccine is that they were trying to create these MRNA based things for more than 30 years with little success but now they did? I would trust a vet more than most doctors.
Yes, here in OC, too! I went with my SIL to dispose of their departed cat, and we had to do the same as you. And we couldn’t get out if the car and we had to be masked. This was about 3 months ago. It was--ridiculous.
Had to run my dog to another vet for an emergency and they made me do this nonsense. The worst experience given these people didn’t know me & my dog didn’t know them.
Yes, it's still like that here in Silicon Valley, though. I had to wait weeks for a "special" appointment where I could actually go inside with my two cats, and even then had to wear a mask. (Question: Are vets' offices not considered medical? Because I thought that medical offices were still under mask mandates from Fuehrer Newsom, which would mean the vets' hands are tied WRT masks.) Anyway it makes me crazy because I have a hearing loss and cannot hear 1/4 of what vets/docs say with these masks. And when you're listening to medical info, that's something you want to get exactly right. I'd like to just avoid going to the doc or the vet -- not buying into the need for "well visits" anymore after having my eyes opened to the medical duplicity in our crazy world nowadays -- but what if any of us breaks a leg? I mean, God forbid, but I do worry...
Appreciate reading what you say about hearing loss related to masks and wanting to get something exactly right. I have the same problem. I hear/comprehend only about half, if I'm lucky, of what they say. I only go to medical places if I absolutely have to. Mostly rely on information from books and Internet on health to take care of my own problems myself.
Right, me too. But I don't know how I'd cope with a traumatic injury like a broken bone or something else I can't fix on my own. The thought of being hospitalized properly freaks me out. I really pray it doesn't happen.
Definitely. Have to make an exception in the case of "a traumatic injury like a broken bone..."
I have broken my left patella two times, and my left wrist one time. Had to have surgeons fix them all. I was very lucky and had high quality doctors fix them.
Re being hospitalized other than for injury - definitely a No. One puts themself under the jurisdiction (tyrannical) of the hospital when they go there. No telling what will happen to them. Best be very careful not to incur any injury.
Yep. Blue Pearl & Banfield too or they’re now “part of a network”. You have to watch. We he practice will get bought but they won’t change the name just the policies & pricing. Happened with my old vet.
Yes, you sure did! The plexiglass shields are still up at our vet's clinic and one tech is still wearing a face diaper. Had a conversation with our vet yesterday about one of our cats' ongoing eye discharge. He's been on two eye drop scripts after a URI a couple of months ago. All afternoon I had been deep into the comments at Kirsch's newsletter after he posted about his wife wanting to take their kitten to get vaxxed and people were sharing about the demise of their pets after vaccination. Our vet suggested a distemper booster to solve the issue. It was all I could do to not say, "are you freaking kidding me?!" We work well together most of the time, but it would sure be nice to find someone who hasn't bought into the vet establishment narratives. She's had 3 jabs, and had covid but told me she's not going to have a fourth shot. Oh my.
I would like this, except I am an old vet, and I am finding all the young vets are a whole lot more like the physician. I blame the veterinary colleges. The selection process is based solely on grades. They are collecting a whole lot of what I like to call "gold star" kids who are super compliant and regurgitate whatever anyone tells them mindlessly. Don't believe me? Look at OVC at the University of Guelph. They ripped a hole in Byram Bridle, their main virologist/vaccinologist, for suggesting that vaccines might have problems.
I would like to give you hope that not all is lost. I have been going to a local independent vet clinic owned for *decades* by a flinty old no-nonsense guy who both knew his stuff and knew how to give support to clients who were going through emotional turmoil. When my beloved GSD finally succumbed to a malignant melanoma that spread to her lungs and had to be put down, he came to my house so she wouldn't have to endure the trauma of being laid out on a cold table in a strange room.
Flinty Guy retired last Friday. He managed to find, mentor, and prepare for takeover of the business, a young woman who is just exceptional. All the vet techs have stayed on as well. He cared about his business enough that he found someone worthy to keep it going.
I have found that the veterinary school makes a huge difference. Never met a vet that I was comfortable with from UC Davis (they have been as you describe, actually worse; one female vet was annoyed at a client who cried when their cat died in the vet's office, because the client cried and 'death is just normal' ... very clinical, no compassion). Of course there can be exceptions. Vets from schools in the mid-west / fly-over country have worked out better for me and my pets. I have found them to be more intuitive and old-school, compassionate and practical.
the sad thing is that people who practice this way extinguish the very fire that made them passionate about medicine. You have a practice where patients don't get well, and you are constantly putting them on more meds until you put them down. On the other hand, people who try to work with the body and seek root causes find their work fulfilling, and empower their clients to be better pet parents. Everyone is happier, and richer in the meaningful way.
80% of the people who have died from Covid were obese (30% or more over recommended weight) but I have never heard the head of the CDC, Dr Fauci, or any of the numerous so-called experts that were guided by the SCIENCE recommend that people get in shape as a way to be protected. It's been all vaccine all the time and now they went to jab the 6-month-olds.
Right? I believe it is the terrain, not the so-called virus, bacteria, or fungus. If you do not eat real food like vegetables, fruits, grains, legumes, nuts, meat, etc., and don't take supplements you are prey for a host to find you and mess you up. Vaccines are pushed to the max because people do not want to work at living a healthy lifestyle so they have a revolving door of money from ignorant unhealthy paranoid individuals who mistakenly think vaccines are their salvation from diseases.
Not just "want to" jab, but can currently jab (who says? FDA, CDC? criminals) those poor babies. I'm praying that my youngest grand-nieces and nephews won't be jabbed --but I know that all of them over 5 have already been jabbed, to my distress. No reason to think my nieces/nephews won't let the cartel f*ck with their youngest. Oh, World!
Yes, the criminally insane stand to win if the truth is constantly suppressed. I also have family members that look at what I try to explain to them about the jab as incorrect information.
One of our labs absolutely loves the vet and goes apeshit on the approach.
The other, much larger, older one is scared witless, as if he were a covidian being locked in a room full of unmasked, unjabbed and well informed Gatovians™.
Boom! Alien abduction by the skulls from hell( wasn’t that a William Grieder piece in Rolling Stone years ago?) I feel the same way every time I go. Anal probe. I must be an animal (dog)…. No? Yes?
I'm really starting to wonder if the Malthusians were not right after all, but instead of running out of a limited supply of food, we are rapidly depleting our supply of sanity and humanity.
All living things are more intelligent than some human beings. Sometimes I just watch my cat, a flower, or the beautiful birds…they just ARE. They’re precious and so innocent. We should follow their example, if not already doing so.
typically vets know more cos they have to learn about multiple species however they have also gone down the pharma bullshit path in more recent years. how many of you have ridiculous experiences going to the vets in the last 2 years?
Read Dogs, Dog Food, and Dogma. A great book that covers cats too. The veterinary system is paralleling the medical industry in terms of Big Pharma and influence by other industries like pet food.
I have🤚🏻Three different vets refused to help me when my cat was suffering from rodenticide poisoning. They refused him service because he wasn’t up to date on his shots. Also, our daughter’s vet has prescribed Prozac for her cat. For reals. 🤡 🌎
When we sold our house last year, at the last minute I realized I needed to board our 2 dogs for the weekend showing. The only place available within 20 miles had their own vet office…Wouldn’t you know, they required a canine flu vaccine! Looking back, I should have looked further afield to avoid the shots… 🤦♀️
A couple of years ago, my dog tore his doggy equivalent of his ACL. MRI the next day confirming a tear, could have had surgery two weeks later, vet recommended we do a
wait-and-see what happens, my dog eventually recovered, no one could tell 6 months later.
I tore my ACL, waited 4 months for an MRI, another 4 months for surgery, rehab a year, surgery didn't really help.
As an old vet, I can tell you that cage rest works great on small dogs who get along on 3 legs, allowing the damaged one to heal, (assuming there is no underlying problem, such as a luxating patella). The bigger the dog, the less likely that "wait and see: will work. As for surgery, it is a done deal, but I am convinced that the enforced rest post surgically also has a mitigating effect.
Actually, as an old vet, I always did. Generally, the core vaccine, DHP and RV are useful and worth it. Rabies has the fewest adverse events of any vaccine I ever used. They tried to push a doggie corona back in the '90's and vets rejected it, and it went off the market. Some of the newer vaccines are pretty questionable and misused...I am speaking of kennel cough (nasal is safer) and lepto (completely useless, pointless, and very high adverse reaction)...Don't get me started on some of the others.
Your comment made me curious, so I started looking up info about the rabies vaccine. I found that rabies is an RNA-based virus, like COVID. RNA viruses are supposedly more apt to mutate, yet you don't hear about them constantly working to update the rabies vaccine. That makes what your vet friend said about the rabies vaccine seem reasonable. But it does make me wonder...
I have bookmarked/printed the article, and will discuss it, and local regulations, with my vet the next time I see her.
Finally, after what I've seen with COVID, I recognize that vaccines for people and pets are a money game. However, given what I think I know about RNA viruses, it makes me wonder why the rabies virus hasn't changed. Or, maybe it has, but we are still injecting for an old strain?
I read that vaccinations in cats cause the cats to get diabetes. It said lots of vaxed cats got diabetes.
Sure enough, my brainwashed friend who worships the medical industry, got her healthy cat vaxed and he subsequently got diabetes. Unfortunately, he recently passed on. My friend was heartbroken. I had told her about what I read, but she insisted her cat needed the shots.
What do you think about the rattlesnake vaccine? My old retired vet told me that 50 % of bitten dogs survive vaccine, anti venom or not. My new younger vet is always trying to *sell* me the vaccine, he knows I live on a ranch in rattler country and my previous dog buddy was bitten.
I lived in rattlesnake country and dogs occasionally got bit. I don't think I ever heard of one that died. My friends hound was bitten right above the eye and her entire head swelled up, but she got over it.
If all 4 of my dogs hadn't gotten kennel cough at the groomers one year they didn't have it, I'd agree that they don't need it. Do they still make the nasal form? Is it widely available?
Me as well. I occasionally board my dog so he has to get the full spectrum of shots. I've been thinking I may stop boarding him in spite of the inconvenience to myself if it means he lives a healthier life.
That's what I hate about having to board my pet. I had to years ago when my cat had to be boarded because I had to take a required trip across the country. But now it's not a problem as I don't have any pets any more. (Don't travel anymore either.)
Unfortunately, it's getting worse as they have given small animals chronic diseases of civilization with processed food. Now insurance is taking over for chronic disease treatment, and it's getting expensive like human medical care.
I often mention our family doctor who is now long since passed away who, on the *rare* occasion we would see him, always ask us what we were eating and if we were getting fresh air and sunshine and compare him to the "doctors" of today who ask what prescriptions you are taking and if you are "up to date" on all of your shots, all while holding a prescription pad in their hand.
That's because they have no training in vet school just like physicians have no training in nutrition in medical school. This is a rerun comment, but we have a friend who's a large animal dairy vet and after I started making our own cat food, I asked him how many nutrition courses he'd had at our alma mater. Zero. Then I asked how many were offered at his annual bovine conferences? His response? Only the farmers really go to those b/c it's in their best interest to keep their animals healthy.
Even though we have a decent vet, she gets all her training at conferences put on by pet food companies and her practice makes $$$ selling the "prescription diets" which are pure scam. See veterinary nutritionist Dr. Lisa Pierson's site for real information: catinfo.org
Oh yes, I remember the melamine scare and hearing how many pets died. Ingredients sourced from China, right? And still no one has learned.
I described my journey to making food at Kirsch's site, so won't reprise it here, but I talked to our vet about a raw diet the morning I ordered my food grinder and she discouraged it due to BACTERIA like salmonella. Hello? This is human grade food not whatever pet food companies use, and cat GI systems are quite a bit different than ours. We have a pet food company down the road and if the wind is wrong, we can smell it 12 miles north. It's disgusting.
After we were feeding our cats a species appropriate diet for a few years, she commented at one of our well-cat visits that our cats were "in their prime." They were 8 or 9 at that point - what vets would call "seniors"! As Lisa Pierson says on her site, "Pay me now or pay me later." I'd rather spend the money on chx thighs than on vet bills.
I'm lucky to live in the country and my cat catches a lot of rodents (I rescue all the birds and lizards that I can). I give her a whole chicken neck every morning. She gets a little canned food as a supplement. No dry food whatsoever. She just turned 10 and if I took her to the vet they would probably say the same thing. She's slim and active.
As a birdwatcher, it's important for us to keep our cats indoors! They do an incredible amount of damage to the small mammal population as well. Cats are truly killing machines; they don't always kill to eat. Technically they are an introduced predator.
I'm starting down the rabbit hole of learning about cat vaccine damage thanks to comments here and at Steve Kirsch's Substack. I expect to never vax any of them again.
Another good resource is the book Dogs, Dog Food, and Dogma. The author went to a bunch of veterinary conferences. He was pretty appalled at the corporate influence.
Here in the US, at least, the Science Diet brand of cat food is only available from your vet. For years I assumed it was good stuff, not even thinking about the conflict of interest. Turns out, not so great. It's exactly the same sort of industrial and regulatory capture as is going on with humans.
ICYMI - I posted catinfo.org to read more about a veterinary nutritionist's take on "prescription" diets. Unless it's changed, the regular Science Diet food is available at most pet food stores. But I'm out of the loop b/c we've been making our own for 10+ years.
I am about to tell my vet that I am going to identify as a cat so that she can take care of me. I went to see a doctor today (first time in five years). New doctor, old one retired during the pandemic shutdown. Anyway to make a long story short I said that my main complaint was my knees, specifically my LEFT knee. Sent me down to Radiology for X-rays. Turns out the order she wrote was for my RIGHT knee! So they had to call her to get the order modified for BOTH knees. So I get the X-rays done. Get home and get a phone call about setting up an appointment to discuss results--for the pain in my RIGHT knee. I said to the person on the other end, I told the Dr., I told the X-ray technician and I am telling you, it is the LEFT knee that I am concerned about that is giving me trouble. Wouldn't you believe right at that moment the phone cut off! This scares me. I sure as hell do not want these people doing any kind of surgery on me.
A friend told me a story: A man went to the doctor about his knee. The MD told the man the problem was due to his age. The man then asked, "What about my other knee?"
I'm 69. Recently one of my knees started bothering me. I gave it a few months and then figured I'd think about calling a doctor to see if some PT or something non-surgical or non-pharmaceutical would help. In the meantime I took up rollerskating once a week. Boom, problem gone!
We could do a meme for jabs. They’re giving pets less because of autoimmune diseases, allergies & cancer but we’re giving kids more. Most people don’t realize exactly how much the immunization schedule has changed from when they were kids. It’s insane!
I have an immune system disorder and part of it is that the cartilage in my feet is disintegrating. Yeah, so interactions with doctors, surgeons, nurses, etc. means I get asked the Question. Whatever. What I'm always disgusted by is the lack of questions about my diet, exercise habits, and anything that may keep me from being disabled more than I am (15% currently). My surgeon, I have to say, is a former college athlete (football...this is Texas) and is very fit. I've expressed to him how important it is that I remain active as I enter my late 60's, and he's in agreement. Still, no questions ever about diet and exercise.
our vet is the best ever. No psyop here. No masks, no injections, just come in as usual, go into the room with dog and doctor, and no distancing. This vet knew the truth for sure. Also no forced vaxx, not for the humans nor for the animals. Found a gold clump !
my BIL's was a quack. The vet's assistant gave him crap about not wearing a mask, right as his dog was taking a crap. He retorted "can you smell that?" she nodded, and he reminded her if you can smell the crap, your mask doesn't work. In fact, he said "its literal shit" She looked ashamed and left the room, not acknowledging the crapiness of the masking smh
That’s awesome. Our old vet required masks, we said we didn’t have any. The front desk staff looked confused but they still let us back. Proving that standing up to this nonsense is the way.
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The majority of vet techs have little to no college education. They are in the business imho because they “relate better” to animals than humans.
If the vet wants to keep her or his office support team they end up having to placate some of the kookiness of their employees.
Our vet clinic here in the People's Republic of Silicon Valley were among the most rabid Branch Covidians of them all.
No one was allowed in the building, had to call from a numbered parking spot and wait until a gloved and masked (usually 2x) tech came out, who would not come near the car unless everyone inside was masked.
Once out of the car, had to unleash the beasts as only the vet's leashes were allowed, and back off while the tech leashed them back up and took them inside.
With, of course, the ridiculous charade repeated after spending upward of an hour sitting in the car.
Like being the only sane person in the asylum.
same issue here. My vet retired & took my older cat in to the new, young vet for diarrhea, had to stay in the car, a gloved & double masked tech took her in, the vet calls me & spends 30 minutes telling me that she needs tests, & a specialist for several totally unrelated issues. I refuse over & over, just need something to stop the diarrhea & 30 minutes later the tech finally brings out a liquid med, & my cat who smells like a dog & is spitting mad. The med didn't work, so I searched the internet, found out adding pumpkin to her food solved the problem. I'm looking for a new vet that is over 50 & knows how to listen & respond to what you bring the pet in for.
Good for You!
I forgot about that treatment.
Just canned pumpkin? like a teaspoon to each meal?
I only give wet food.
I am glad you found another vet.
Miles (red mackerel tabby) has a loose stool problem.
He went to the vet last year and stayed all day, also came home in the evening severely traumatized. Nope, kitties need their staff with them
yes, just a small amount mixed in with the wet catfood -depending on your cat's weight. and yes, our kitties need their staff! 😺
You can buy pumpkin cat food as well! I get different cans of quality food for our spoiled cat 😻. What a difference! One of his favs is RAWZ…a couple have pumpkin in them with chicken, etc.
I left my vet of almost 20 years because they did this insanity. The one I found didn’t buy into any of the Covid creation and his view of the vaccine is that they were trying to create these MRNA based things for more than 30 years with little success but now they did? I would trust a vet more than most doctors.
I'm sorry, but reading this was hilarious and you are 100% correct about being the sane person in the outdoor insane asylum.
Yes, here in OC, too! I went with my SIL to dispose of their departed cat, and we had to do the same as you. And we couldn’t get out if the car and we had to be masked. This was about 3 months ago. It was--ridiculous.
sad, sorry for the loss of your SILL's cat.
Thank you--he lived a long and pampered life. He was a lucky kitty.
Sounds a lot like my Bay Area experience. Greetings from my new Florida residence.
Had to run my dog to another vet for an emergency and they made me do this nonsense. The worst experience given these people didn’t know me & my dog didn’t know them.
WOW!!!!! Never heard such insanity before.
Yes, it's still like that here in Silicon Valley, though. I had to wait weeks for a "special" appointment where I could actually go inside with my two cats, and even then had to wear a mask. (Question: Are vets' offices not considered medical? Because I thought that medical offices were still under mask mandates from Fuehrer Newsom, which would mean the vets' hands are tied WRT masks.) Anyway it makes me crazy because I have a hearing loss and cannot hear 1/4 of what vets/docs say with these masks. And when you're listening to medical info, that's something you want to get exactly right. I'd like to just avoid going to the doc or the vet -- not buying into the need for "well visits" anymore after having my eyes opened to the medical duplicity in our crazy world nowadays -- but what if any of us breaks a leg? I mean, God forbid, but I do worry...
Appreciate reading what you say about hearing loss related to masks and wanting to get something exactly right. I have the same problem. I hear/comprehend only about half, if I'm lucky, of what they say. I only go to medical places if I absolutely have to. Mostly rely on information from books and Internet on health to take care of my own problems myself.
Right, me too. But I don't know how I'd cope with a traumatic injury like a broken bone or something else I can't fix on my own. The thought of being hospitalized properly freaks me out. I really pray it doesn't happen.
Definitely. Have to make an exception in the case of "a traumatic injury like a broken bone..."
I have broken my left patella two times, and my left wrist one time. Had to have surgeons fix them all. I was very lucky and had high quality doctors fix them.
Re being hospitalized other than for injury - definitely a No. One puts themself under the jurisdiction (tyrannical) of the hospital when they go there. No telling what will happen to them. Best be very careful not to incur any injury.
Wow, someone else who has a patellar fracture twice on the same leg! I thought I was the only one on the planet.
Same here....and I'm in Texas. Such a shame
Yikes!!
Hang onto that vet with both hands and pray they don’t sell out to Mars or any of the other vet corporations out there.
VCA 👎👎👎👎
Yep. Blue Pearl & Banfield too or they’re now “part of a network”. You have to watch. We he practice will get bought but they won’t change the name just the policies & pricing. Happened with my old vet.
I guess we'll all have to start searching for holistic or functional vets, too. 😕
Yes, you sure did! The plexiglass shields are still up at our vet's clinic and one tech is still wearing a face diaper. Had a conversation with our vet yesterday about one of our cats' ongoing eye discharge. He's been on two eye drop scripts after a URI a couple of months ago. All afternoon I had been deep into the comments at Kirsch's newsletter after he posted about his wife wanting to take their kitten to get vaxxed and people were sharing about the demise of their pets after vaccination. Our vet suggested a distemper booster to solve the issue. It was all I could do to not say, "are you freaking kidding me?!" We work well together most of the time, but it would sure be nice to find someone who hasn't bought into the vet establishment narratives. She's had 3 jabs, and had covid but told me she's not going to have a fourth shot. Oh my.
Your vet probably knew the truth about ivermectin, too. Unlike all the charlatans and WEF lackeys.
Probably will call him rather than human doc if something is wrong with me !
Did he have horse pills as well?
he gave them for the dog. I found them online too, and ordered those for me, just in case. But I am now giving the dog those, because I never got sick
Who is your vet and where is he or she?
Swainsboro Georgia
Darn… A little too far from me. 👍🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I would like this, except I am an old vet, and I am finding all the young vets are a whole lot more like the physician. I blame the veterinary colleges. The selection process is based solely on grades. They are collecting a whole lot of what I like to call "gold star" kids who are super compliant and regurgitate whatever anyone tells them mindlessly. Don't believe me? Look at OVC at the University of Guelph. They ripped a hole in Byram Bridle, their main virologist/vaccinologist, for suggesting that vaccines might have problems.
Oh, Ann... Same thing with young medical students. They teach them to be "guideline followers".
I would like to give you hope that not all is lost. I have been going to a local independent vet clinic owned for *decades* by a flinty old no-nonsense guy who both knew his stuff and knew how to give support to clients who were going through emotional turmoil. When my beloved GSD finally succumbed to a malignant melanoma that spread to her lungs and had to be put down, he came to my house so she wouldn't have to endure the trauma of being laid out on a cold table in a strange room.
Flinty Guy retired last Friday. He managed to find, mentor, and prepare for takeover of the business, a young woman who is just exceptional. All the vet techs have stayed on as well. He cared about his business enough that he found someone worthy to keep it going.
Bridle knew. He was polite enough about it but they went after him and his family.
How often for the rabies shot?
Parvo? Distemper? I have read a bunch on once and done… so many conflicting vets…
@Ann Bissett- Strahl
Please give your opinion - this is a question I have also!
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I have found that the veterinary school makes a huge difference. Never met a vet that I was comfortable with from UC Davis (they have been as you describe, actually worse; one female vet was annoyed at a client who cried when their cat died in the vet's office, because the client cried and 'death is just normal' ... very clinical, no compassion). Of course there can be exceptions. Vets from schools in the mid-west / fly-over country have worked out better for me and my pets. I have found them to be more intuitive and old-school, compassionate and practical.
the sad thing is that people who practice this way extinguish the very fire that made them passionate about medicine. You have a practice where patients don't get well, and you are constantly putting them on more meds until you put them down. On the other hand, people who try to work with the body and seek root causes find their work fulfilling, and empower their clients to be better pet parents. Everyone is happier, and richer in the meaningful way.
Amen
80% of the people who have died from Covid were obese (30% or more over recommended weight) but I have never heard the head of the CDC, Dr Fauci, or any of the numerous so-called experts that were guided by the SCIENCE recommend that people get in shape as a way to be protected. It's been all vaccine all the time and now they went to jab the 6-month-olds.
When my daughter’s obese friend survived Covid and when an 80yo member of my church did as well, that’s when I realized that it was all a scam.
Until they sic a deadlier pathogen on us—and they will—all masking is fear theater, all vaxxing is for depopulation.
But def get/stay in the best shape you can. Hard times of all sorts are going to place demands on mind and body.
“Seek the Lord while He may be found
Call upon Him while He is near
Let the wicked forsake his ways and the unrighteousness man his thoughts
And let him return to the Lord
And He will abundantly pardon”
Amen to that pearl of wisdom!
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Right? I believe it is the terrain, not the so-called virus, bacteria, or fungus. If you do not eat real food like vegetables, fruits, grains, legumes, nuts, meat, etc., and don't take supplements you are prey for a host to find you and mess you up. Vaccines are pushed to the max because people do not want to work at living a healthy lifestyle so they have a revolving door of money from ignorant unhealthy paranoid individuals who mistakenly think vaccines are their salvation from diseases.
They DO NOT give a damn. True evil is walking the Earth. There are no words.
Not just "want to" jab, but can currently jab (who says? FDA, CDC? criminals) those poor babies. I'm praying that my youngest grand-nieces and nephews won't be jabbed --but I know that all of them over 5 have already been jabbed, to my distress. No reason to think my nieces/nephews won't let the cartel f*ck with their youngest. Oh, World!
We got " kill shot" " clot shot" can we add " de- pop shot " to the list?
Yes, the criminally insane stand to win if the truth is constantly suppressed. I also have family members that look at what I try to explain to them about the jab as incorrect information.
Animals are too smart to fall for the Medical-Pharmaceutical Complex hamster wheel of perpetual "treatments."
however, even the smartest gets taken to the vet on a leash ):
Once again, proving how smart they are—humans have to drag them there because they know what awaits them.
One of our labs absolutely loves the vet and goes apeshit on the approach.
The other, much larger, older one is scared witless, as if he were a covidian being locked in a room full of unmasked, unjabbed and well informed Gatovians™.
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Boom! Alien abduction by the skulls from hell( wasn’t that a William Grieder piece in Rolling Stone years ago?) I feel the same way every time I go. Anal probe. I must be an animal (dog)…. No? Yes?
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Exactly...and some are even getting the COVID jab....yikes!!!!
Best to keep Gato out of mainland China for awhile, or there's going to be big trouble.
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An international incident for the books, to say the least. Nobody wants a Chinese naval base in PR.
I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. Okay, cry.
I'm really starting to wonder if the Malthusians were not right after all, but instead of running out of a limited supply of food, we are rapidly depleting our supply of sanity and humanity.
My cat is definitely not that compliant.
Since Puerto Rico is a United States protectorate how is Chiii-na going to put a naval base there?
Let's just say the Chinese gave at the office.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/2020/10/21/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-and-china-politifact/
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All living things are more intelligent than some human beings. Sometimes I just watch my cat, a flower, or the beautiful birds…they just ARE. They’re precious and so innocent. We should follow their example, if not already doing so.
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typically vets know more cos they have to learn about multiple species however they have also gone down the pharma bullshit path in more recent years. how many of you have ridiculous experiences going to the vets in the last 2 years?
Read Dogs, Dog Food, and Dogma. A great book that covers cats too. The veterinary system is paralleling the medical industry in terms of Big Pharma and influence by other industries like pet food.
I believe Pfizer boss Albert Bourla is a DVM ???
yep
You in Canada?
I got a song and dance the other day about how our healthy indoor cat needs rabies vax
I have🤚🏻Three different vets refused to help me when my cat was suffering from rodenticide poisoning. They refused him service because he wasn’t up to date on his shots. Also, our daughter’s vet has prescribed Prozac for her cat. For reals. 🤡 🌎
That’s cruel!
When we sold our house last year, at the last minute I realized I needed to board our 2 dogs for the weekend showing. The only place available within 20 miles had their own vet office…Wouldn’t you know, they required a canine flu vaccine! Looking back, I should have looked further afield to avoid the shots… 🤦♀️
A couple of years ago, my dog tore his doggy equivalent of his ACL. MRI the next day confirming a tear, could have had surgery two weeks later, vet recommended we do a
wait-and-see what happens, my dog eventually recovered, no one could tell 6 months later.
I tore my ACL, waited 4 months for an MRI, another 4 months for surgery, rehab a year, surgery didn't really help.
Vet for the win.
As an old vet, I can tell you that cage rest works great on small dogs who get along on 3 legs, allowing the damaged one to heal, (assuming there is no underlying problem, such as a luxating patella). The bigger the dog, the less likely that "wait and see: will work. As for surgery, it is a done deal, but I am convinced that the enforced rest post surgically also has a mitigating effect.
This was a 95 pound lab/hound dog mix. He couldn't stop himself, constant movement, but he seemed like an old pickup truck, he kept on running.
In general, vets are much better than people doctors. However, for some strange reason, I'm beginning to question cat and dog vaccinations ~ 🤔.
Actually, as an old vet, I always did. Generally, the core vaccine, DHP and RV are useful and worth it. Rabies has the fewest adverse events of any vaccine I ever used. They tried to push a doggie corona back in the '90's and vets rejected it, and it went off the market. Some of the newer vaccines are pretty questionable and misused...I am speaking of kennel cough (nasal is safer) and lepto (completely useless, pointless, and very high adverse reaction)...Don't get me started on some of the others.
Thank you for sharing! Rabies shots are required in VT, but I'm going to pass on all the others for my kitties.
I have a British veterinarian friend who says rabies shots are good for pretty much the lifetime of the animal.
Your comment made me curious, so I started looking up info about the rabies vaccine. I found that rabies is an RNA-based virus, like COVID. RNA viruses are supposedly more apt to mutate, yet you don't hear about them constantly working to update the rabies vaccine. That makes what your vet friend said about the rabies vaccine seem reasonable. But it does make me wonder...
https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/lifelong-immunity-vets/
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I have bookmarked/printed the article, and will discuss it, and local regulations, with my vet the next time I see her.
Finally, after what I've seen with COVID, I recognize that vaccines for people and pets are a money game. However, given what I think I know about RNA viruses, it makes me wonder why the rabies virus hasn't changed. Or, maybe it has, but we are still injecting for an old strain?
I read that vaccinations in cats cause the cats to get diabetes. It said lots of vaxed cats got diabetes.
Sure enough, my brainwashed friend who worships the medical industry, got her healthy cat vaxed and he subsequently got diabetes. Unfortunately, he recently passed on. My friend was heartbroken. I had told her about what I read, but she insisted her cat needed the shots.
Thank you!
What do you think about the rattlesnake vaccine? My old retired vet told me that 50 % of bitten dogs survive vaccine, anti venom or not. My new younger vet is always trying to *sell* me the vaccine, he knows I live on a ranch in rattler country and my previous dog buddy was bitten.
I lived in rattlesnake country and dogs occasionally got bit. I don't think I ever heard of one that died. My friends hound was bitten right above the eye and her entire head swelled up, but she got over it.
If all 4 of my dogs hadn't gotten kennel cough at the groomers one year they didn't have it, I'd agree that they don't need it. Do they still make the nasal form? Is it widely available?
Yes, should be if you live in Canada or the USA. I am retired so not doing it anymore.
Thank-you! I don't like them getting so many shots at once. I'll check with my vet if we can get the nasal, before we come in.
Me as well. I occasionally board my dog so he has to get the full spectrum of shots. I've been thinking I may stop boarding him in spite of the inconvenience to myself if it means he lives a healthier life.
That's what I hate about having to board my pet. I had to years ago when my cat had to be boarded because I had to take a required trip across the country. But now it's not a problem as I don't have any pets any more. (Don't travel anymore either.)
Sounds like it's time to adopt ~ 😸
Not coincidentally, veterinary medical care is almost pure fee-for-service, and the government is almost wholly uninvolved.
Unfortunately, it's getting worse as they have given small animals chronic diseases of civilization with processed food. Now insurance is taking over for chronic disease treatment, and it's getting expensive like human medical care.
This is why I started feeding raw
Very healthy!
Big time! My cat is so much healthier not eating the typical processed cat food.
Doctors, insurance companies, and big pharma can’t make money on healthy people. https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-do-no-harm?r=12n5dp&utm_medium=ios
I often mention our family doctor who is now long since passed away who, on the *rare* occasion we would see him, always ask us what we were eating and if we were getting fresh air and sunshine and compare him to the "doctors" of today who ask what prescriptions you are taking and if you are "up to date" on all of your shots, all while holding a prescription pad in their hand.
Or typing on their laptops. 🤢🤮
cats know that eating carnivore cures a host of ailments
Well it may not help the personality but I don't think that's a realistic ask for some cats.
I know this is meant to be a lighthearted post, but unfortunately, most vets seem to be every bit as stupid about diets as doctors. Maybe worse!
That's because they have no training in vet school just like physicians have no training in nutrition in medical school. This is a rerun comment, but we have a friend who's a large animal dairy vet and after I started making our own cat food, I asked him how many nutrition courses he'd had at our alma mater. Zero. Then I asked how many were offered at his annual bovine conferences? His response? Only the farmers really go to those b/c it's in their best interest to keep their animals healthy.
Even though we have a decent vet, she gets all her training at conferences put on by pet food companies and her practice makes $$$ selling the "prescription diets" which are pure scam. See veterinary nutritionist Dr. Lisa Pierson's site for real information: catinfo.org
Yes, they are completely brainwashed by pet food companies.
I switched my cats and dog to raw food in the Great Melamine Pet Food Scare of 2007, and never looked back. Anyone remember that?
It never occurred to many of these people that “scientifically” formulated diets have only existed for 50 years.
The pets could get a bacterial infection!
Cat kidneys could explode from salt in tunafish cans!
ANYthing could happen!!
DANGER!!!
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Oh yes, I remember the melamine scare and hearing how many pets died. Ingredients sourced from China, right? And still no one has learned.
I described my journey to making food at Kirsch's site, so won't reprise it here, but I talked to our vet about a raw diet the morning I ordered my food grinder and she discouraged it due to BACTERIA like salmonella. Hello? This is human grade food not whatever pet food companies use, and cat GI systems are quite a bit different than ours. We have a pet food company down the road and if the wind is wrong, we can smell it 12 miles north. It's disgusting.
After we were feeding our cats a species appropriate diet for a few years, she commented at one of our well-cat visits that our cats were "in their prime." They were 8 or 9 at that point - what vets would call "seniors"! As Lisa Pierson says on her site, "Pay me now or pay me later." I'd rather spend the money on chx thighs than on vet bills.
I'm lucky to live in the country and my cat catches a lot of rodents (I rescue all the birds and lizards that I can). I give her a whole chicken neck every morning. She gets a little canned food as a supplement. No dry food whatsoever. She just turned 10 and if I took her to the vet they would probably say the same thing. She's slim and active.
As a birdwatcher, it's important for us to keep our cats indoors! They do an incredible amount of damage to the small mammal population as well. Cats are truly killing machines; they don't always kill to eat. Technically they are an introduced predator.
I'm starting down the rabbit hole of learning about cat vaccine damage thanks to comments here and at Steve Kirsch's Substack. I expect to never vax any of them again.
Was it a Purina plant?
No, WellPet 🤮🤮some of the worst pet food ever IMO. The Munchausen-by-Proxy "no-kill" shelter I used to volunteer at got it free or at a huge discount.
Yeah, shelters and rescues are kinda up a creek without huge funding to care for the animals.
Another good resource is the book Dogs, Dog Food, and Dogma. The author went to a bunch of veterinary conferences. He was pretty appalled at the corporate influence.
Here in the US, at least, the Science Diet brand of cat food is only available from your vet. For years I assumed it was good stuff, not even thinking about the conflict of interest. Turns out, not so great. It's exactly the same sort of industrial and regulatory capture as is going on with humans.
ICYMI - I posted catinfo.org to read more about a veterinary nutritionist's take on "prescription" diets. Unless it's changed, the regular Science Diet food is available at most pet food stores. But I'm out of the loop b/c we've been making our own for 10+ years.
True, my own information is several years out of date. But knowing what I know now and looking at Science Diet ingredients, it's crap.
Agree 110%!!!
I am about to tell my vet that I am going to identify as a cat so that she can take care of me. I went to see a doctor today (first time in five years). New doctor, old one retired during the pandemic shutdown. Anyway to make a long story short I said that my main complaint was my knees, specifically my LEFT knee. Sent me down to Radiology for X-rays. Turns out the order she wrote was for my RIGHT knee! So they had to call her to get the order modified for BOTH knees. So I get the X-rays done. Get home and get a phone call about setting up an appointment to discuss results--for the pain in my RIGHT knee. I said to the person on the other end, I told the Dr., I told the X-ray technician and I am telling you, it is the LEFT knee that I am concerned about that is giving me trouble. Wouldn't you believe right at that moment the phone cut off! This scares me. I sure as hell do not want these people doing any kind of surgery on me.
A friend told me a story: A man went to the doctor about his knee. The MD told the man the problem was due to his age. The man then asked, "What about my other knee?"
Well chances are they'd screw up and operate on someone *else's* knee instead.
I'm 69. Recently one of my knees started bothering me. I gave it a few months and then figured I'd think about calling a doctor to see if some PT or something non-surgical or non-pharmaceutical would help. In the meantime I took up rollerskating once a week. Boom, problem gone!
We could do a meme for jabs. They’re giving pets less because of autoimmune diseases, allergies & cancer but we’re giving kids more. Most people don’t realize exactly how much the immunization schedule has changed from when they were kids. It’s insane!
Well, you mean *old-fashioned vets* of course; the illustrative photo is somewhat deceptive...
Yeah, the vets that are retiring or dying, those are the good ones.
I have an immune system disorder and part of it is that the cartilage in my feet is disintegrating. Yeah, so interactions with doctors, surgeons, nurses, etc. means I get asked the Question. Whatever. What I'm always disgusted by is the lack of questions about my diet, exercise habits, and anything that may keep me from being disabled more than I am (15% currently). My surgeon, I have to say, is a former college athlete (football...this is Texas) and is very fit. I've expressed to him how important it is that I remain active as I enter my late 60's, and he's in agreement. Still, no questions ever about diet and exercise.