Years ago I watched with sorrow as friends of mine, the parents of two preteens, went through utter hell and finally came to the agonized decision that they needed to drug their brilliant 12 year old daughter right out of her personality. Tessa's startling genius in all things - reciting Shakespeare, playing complicated Bach and Mozart pieces on the piano, entering into adult debate and conversation with confidence, wit and sass - of which they were so proud, had given way to full blown madness. The schizophrenia that had caused her grandmother to be locked away in an institution was subjecting her to a level of violent behavior that truly resembled demonic possession. They felt they had no choice but to medicate her, and in so doing, they lost their daughter. Thereafter she was calm, controlled, even happy (in a placid sort of way), but she was no longer the girl they knew. The double-edged sword of flame was gone. I hope that there are better alternatives available today for children like Tessa. Much can be done with nutrition and vitamin therapy, for instance.
Yes, mental illness and genius are often two sides of a sword of fire. Would we have known the greatness of Virginia Woolf's literature, would Churchill have proved such a phenomenal leader, if these two had been relieved of their symptoms via drugs? Just two examples of the many that leap to mind.
Behavioural therapy helping the victim build self-esteem can work wonders: the more strenght of mind they get, the better they can keep the irrational impulses, hallucinations and attacks at bay. Teaching and training with them to develop a routine or procedure for decompressing and relieving stress in a not dangerous way is also crucial.
What does not work is the old methods of psychiatry: medicating and trying to cure the person to become normal. For the schizophrenic, the distorted way their brain works is unfortunately normal. Hence, training. Same principle as with someone born with genetic defects impairing muscle growth/strenght - training, exercises and learning methods to circumvent the problem.
I'm very sorry to hear that your friends choose medication for someone so young - schizofrenia rarely if ever affects people under 25-30, at east not noticeably. On the other hand, all kinds of psychiatry has a vested interest in keeping cases up and lowering the bar for pathologising (is that the right word for declaring a bahviour as sick and in need of treatment?) any kind of behaviour - it keeps the money flowing. Just look at the 'alphabet-diagnoses' an how they have exploded these past 30 years.
I'll add a caveat about vitamin therapy: one need to be very careful if doing things like that for real, and it should be combined with other therapies and under the ausoice of a trained and licensed nurse as to remove the risk of overdosing and causing harm that way. Mucking about with massive doses of vitamins, especially many different ones taken together, can and will destroy the body far worse than even junk food. Far better to eat a healthy and balanced diet of real food, processed as little as possible/necessary, combined with physical and mental exercises (spelling one's own name backwards while doing pull-ups is a simple one f.e.). Especially considering what nutritional supplements cost and what they are made from.
This episode happened over thirty years ago. I like to think that today they would take a different approach. Back then they were just exhausted, at wit's end and concerned for the safety of their other child. Their marriage did not last, btw. I think there had always been problems, and in retrospect I wonder if the girl was also reacting to the undercurrents in the family drama (a chicken and egg thing - her mother's mother in Hong Kong had a dreadful history and went mad, and as adept as she was, Tessa picked up on the fear and acted out. Just a theory). Re: vitamins - I just remember hearing about how Vitamin C has been studied as a treatment for schizophrenia. It seems it was quite effective in high doses (which are not toxic or dangerous - when tolerance is reached the worst they can cause is diarrhea).
I thought that the chemical-laden swab I have to jam up my nose for unvaxxed covid testing that allows me to go to work was the modern version of the lobotomy?
Not part of the directions. I do get to tell the site covid supervisor she is a nazi every time I do it, which is satisfying. Not sure why I am considered "difficult to work with"..
My Dad was a journalist in the 1970’s. Growing up poor in an abusive, alcoholic home, and turning 18 in combat trapped at the top of a mountain, not much shook him up. To this day he says 2 stories he covered really upset him/ messed with him.
The first was going to services at one of those snake venom churches in Western Virginia (not WV). The second was interviewing people who had had a lobotomy. The latter was FAR more upsetting. He could never figure out how doctors allowed themselves to perform hundreds, some thousands, of these procedures when the terrible results were obvious and pronounced.
Really, found this on the NIH web site. Most of you probably know this, some of you even swore to be bound by it. Sure, there is no small irony today in discussing "ethics" in the context of NIH. The third paragraph is I believe the source of the commitment every modern physician is supposed to make, "first do no harm".
I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgement, and I will do no harm or injustice to them.
I am not a physician (nor do I play one on TV). But it seems the "first do no harm" and certainly the concept of no injustice has been lost, forgotten or buried, replaced instead with a plethora of potentially harmful practices, often with little or now risk/benefit analysis allowed.
I have an ongoing debate with my physician over statin drugs. He wants me on them because of an arbitrary number. His sole defense of his position is an AMA guideline that sets (an ever decreasing) target number. I've been through a full set of imaging studies and cardiologists review, have no family history of elevated risk, the CV health of a 30 year old (at 62) and still he points to a number in an AMA guideline endorsed by the FDA. I point to the research on statin drugs, risks, and limited potential for benefit to me other than achieving an arbitrary number. The actual research on Statin drugs seems to have little bearing on the medical practice and AMA recommendations. The last card in my deck is to point out this is the SAME set of authorities that tell him BMI is a meaningful metric, which according to them, declares most MMA fighters and NFL running backs "obese".
I agree. My generation (I was born in the 1980’s) is detached from reality. We were inundated with the undefinable “greater good of society” nonsense, all while being encouraged to take the path of least resistance. Everybody gets a trophy.
I’m surrounded by physicians - neighbors, country club, kids’ private school. Most are just as gullible as the rest of the population. A terrifying trend is “boomers consume too many resources. They need to accept they are going to die.” The gullible ones don’t care if a particular boomer has saved their whole lives to afford healthcare in retirement. They don’t care if the person is otherwise healthy. Ideology and flow chart medicine rules the day for 85% of the ones we know (though we appreciate the advice from the other 15% who encouraged us to live normally and stay far away from the vaccines, even the ones forced to get them stuck in noncompetes).
Given the specific example of a 75 year old man, who has money because he saved his whole working life, and who was killed by a local hospital via refusal to treat because “Covid,” many physicians I know literally see no issue. This gentleman waited 9 hours in the ER with excruciating pain in fall 2020. When he was finally seen, they said his appendix ruptured. An easily treatable issue (get it out). Instead of operating, they said “sorry, no surgery, Covid.” Then they gave him antibiotics and sent him home. He died that night. Totally unnecessary and completely cruel. He went to the regular ER, not the Covid hospital which was a couple miles away. They just used the excuse. They knew he would die. They didn’t care. “He’s old.” They don’t care about kids either - they’re “resilient.” They only seem to care about people just like them.
When everyone is reduced to a “group” anything, no matter how cruel, no matter how stupid, no matter how misguided, can be justified. Toddler having speech issues and detachment issues from wearing a mask 2 years? It’s ok, “most” kids will be fine. Is your 16 year old son a great athlete who recovered from Covid? Get a shot anyway, “most kids” will be just fine.
Wether flow chart medicine or justifying mistakes by blaming the patient for being the wrong age or injecting kids with too much crap or putting people needlessly on big pharma subscriptions, this generation of doctors has abandoned critical thinking, and many seem incapable of recognizing harm to the individual patient as actually being harmful.
My daughter had an appendix rupture last fall (at 10). Long story short, after meeting the med students and residents waiting for surgery, she said “mom, I’m going to have to become a doctor, if that’s the future of medicine, we’re all gonna die.” 😂. Fortunately, at 10 she’s read over 750 actual books, gets straight A’s at an academically accelerated conservative private Christian school (they don’t play everybody gets a trophy), and is a top swimmer and soccer player her age in our urban county. If she says she’s going to do something, she does it. I only hope there are thousands and thousands of other kids just like her - grounded, motivated, loving, rooted in recognizing reality, truth, and outcomes. I think there are. There is hope.
My whole family has switched to an integrative health practice. The kid’s allergies are under control, their guts are healthier (all of ours), they caught that I was B12 deficient from taking reflux medicine, despite a high dairy meat diet, and got me off the meds even though I have a hiatal hernia. Seeing doctors who treat individual actual patients is worth every penny.
What a post! I'm so sad about the gentleman who died, that is just awful, but what an inspiration to read about your daughter and family! It made my day. Thank you! P.S. Yes, nattokinase offers excellent support for people who have taken the jab and/or are worried about blood clots.
Good for you for standing up to your doctor. They usually require some training. My current doc and I went through a small but fierce power struggle before he came to understand that I would not blindly comply with his every dictum, including the jab. He now accepts that we work together, and I have the final word on what happens to my body under his care. If he didn't, he would no longer be my doctor.
Algorithmic medicine and electronic medical records are preparing the world for AI Healthcare. If your doctor is appearing to act like a robot... well... he is part of that transition.
Fair question. Because I can have the discussion. He hasn't dropped me for probing questions or challenges. Compared to most of the MDs I've met that's exceptional.
I was 60 before I had a 'primary care physician', as I only occasionally needed a doctor, other than the ophthalmologist I see every year. Everyone told me "you can't be over 60 and NOT have a primary care physician!" which I ignored until the insurance carrier agreed (i.e. forced it upon me). So I asked my eye doc and he recommended this guy because "he'll argue with you". In fairness to my doc, he acknowledged that BMI is stupid when I made my case (I won that one).
PS I'm not on any medication. I said "ongoing debate" and so far I'm not losing.
I think that’s a great question. In my case, I can manipulate my doctor to a certain extent; he can be a useful idiot. I do see other health modality professional more frequently. I gave VA care in order to eligible for urgent care outside the VA, one must see a VA primary care doc once every 2 years. sometimes urgent care is needed. A urgent care visit is upward of $200 without insurance.
none of the shots protect anyone, they measure a "response" that is not correlated to preventing infection or stopping spread, this is all fake af science
I was aware that lobotomy was once a popular treatment, but I still had to Wiki Munoz. Yes, he did indeed win a Nobel. Creepy! I'm sure that some brain surgery has its place, but yes, a tool can be put to evil use, often simply by trying to do too much good. Surely the lobotomy will join the Hall of Medical Shame along with such bloopers as the very long delay in accepting Semmelweis's counsel for a physician to simply wash his hands with soap and water between patients. I suspect that mRNA jabs for billions of people, absent any long term proofs of safety, will join that list. This last assumption would require that sanity may return to governments, but even that may be a lost hope. Alas, we may in fact be lurching towards some dystopian world. Realistically, I cannot see any way that our existing governments would be able to say (in a bad case scenario) "Yeah, we're sorry that millions of people were crippled or died as a result of a rushed, mandated experimental vaccine. But hey, we thought it was a serious plague. We promise it won't happen again." I think the rot is too widespread, the systems too far corrupted.
Semmelweis recommended the use of chlorinated lime, also known as calcium hypochorite or bleaching powder... the antecedent of today's Clorox. Much more effective than soap alone at disinfecting the physician's hands.
I think whether 'science' is adopted mostly depends on the mindset of those doing the adopting. Accepting Semmelweis's recommendation meant that the physician first had to admit his responsibility in the deaths of hundreds of patients. That was a tough row to hoe. Much easier if you view yourself to be acting pro-actively in the service of humanity... fits the god complex much better.
Right up there with lobotomies will be Female Genital Mutilation/Clitoridectomy as performed in the United States (I wish I could italicize this) from the mid-19th century up until the 1960s. We tend to think FGM/C happens elsewhere - Africa, the Middle East - and in the U.S. has been strictly an illegal surgery performed clandestinely on immigrant girls. This is not the case. Historically it was performed on American girls and women for almost a century. Because Science. https://nursingclio.org/2015/01/08/female-circumcision-clitoridectomy-and-american-culture/
A review of the history of that particular "prize" illustrates how divorced from science it has become (and this is not a recent development). Browsing the rolls we see politics dominates in many fields. It has been hard to retain respect for the committee(s) and for the Nobel itself.
Anyone familiar with the movie/series "12 Monkeys"? It's about a plague that wipes out most of the human race in 2017 and time travelers from the future are trying to stop it. Kind of interesting to see parallels with what is going on there.
Dr Peter C. Gøtzsche exposes big pharma as organized crime. He is a co-founder of the Cochrane Collaboration and has written numerous reviews for the organization. In 2013 he wrote a book:"Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Healthcare".
Driving a nail into someone's head seems pretty inexact. I say we implant a brain chip to make the patients follow the Constitution and remind them of various top-down failures.
Was also performed on Tennessee Williams' sister Rose, his inspiration for Laura in "The Glass Menagerie". For the rest of his life Williams was consumed with guilt and horror at what the family's decision did to his beloved sister.
I always used to hear that the low for medicine was using leeches to let out evil spirits or something. The funny thing is even to this day, on a small subset of the population (I.e. postmenopausal women with excessive iron levels) leeches could have actually performed great things. It was the one size fits all nature that killed it. With lobotomy? I don't know. I guess it would have made some shrieking hysterics quieter...
you'd be amazed how many common medicines come from weird animal products. i've been stroke therapies in trials based on vampire bat saliva and malayan pit viper venom.
hyaluronic acid, used to treat osteoarthritis is made from rooster combs.
sea snails are a flat out marvel as a chemical factory.
we almost had to use medical maggots to save my youngest son 20 years ago, a mrsa infection that wouldn't respond to the intravenous Zithromax the hospital had him on. Dr tried an old sulfa drug first, something they don't prescribe anymore. it worked. amazing, huh?
Leeches have been found to stimulate blood flow to body sites due to the anti-coagulant properties of their saliva. I saw a show where they used them to stimulate blood flow to a reattached limb...
Wouldn’t this make them cat-atonic?…
categorially.
No you don't.
It would be a small cataclysm to benefit the world.
That would be purr-fect.
🤣
categorically so...
They didn't stop doing lobotomies, they just changed the method and location - now they're carried out non surgically in schools.
it was kinder the old way.
And faster.
Was that the mind-numbing sensation I had in Business Law 1?
Pretty sure Joe Biden had one, awhile back...
But they stuck a vacuum cleaner nozzle up his nose, rather than an ice-pick through his eye socket.
And Hunter supplied the anesthesia.
Many nations are in the process of legalising voluntary chemical lobotomy though. Or rather, they are de-criminalising the method.
Years ago I watched with sorrow as friends of mine, the parents of two preteens, went through utter hell and finally came to the agonized decision that they needed to drug their brilliant 12 year old daughter right out of her personality. Tessa's startling genius in all things - reciting Shakespeare, playing complicated Bach and Mozart pieces on the piano, entering into adult debate and conversation with confidence, wit and sass - of which they were so proud, had given way to full blown madness. The schizophrenia that had caused her grandmother to be locked away in an institution was subjecting her to a level of violent behavior that truly resembled demonic possession. They felt they had no choice but to medicate her, and in so doing, they lost their daughter. Thereafter she was calm, controlled, even happy (in a placid sort of way), but she was no longer the girl they knew. The double-edged sword of flame was gone. I hope that there are better alternatives available today for children like Tessa. Much can be done with nutrition and vitamin therapy, for instance.
A Beautiful Mind
Yes, mental illness and genius are often two sides of a sword of fire. Would we have known the greatness of Virginia Woolf's literature, would Churchill have proved such a phenomenal leader, if these two had been relieved of their symptoms via drugs? Just two examples of the many that leap to mind.
Behavioural therapy helping the victim build self-esteem can work wonders: the more strenght of mind they get, the better they can keep the irrational impulses, hallucinations and attacks at bay. Teaching and training with them to develop a routine or procedure for decompressing and relieving stress in a not dangerous way is also crucial.
What does not work is the old methods of psychiatry: medicating and trying to cure the person to become normal. For the schizophrenic, the distorted way their brain works is unfortunately normal. Hence, training. Same principle as with someone born with genetic defects impairing muscle growth/strenght - training, exercises and learning methods to circumvent the problem.
I'm very sorry to hear that your friends choose medication for someone so young - schizofrenia rarely if ever affects people under 25-30, at east not noticeably. On the other hand, all kinds of psychiatry has a vested interest in keeping cases up and lowering the bar for pathologising (is that the right word for declaring a bahviour as sick and in need of treatment?) any kind of behaviour - it keeps the money flowing. Just look at the 'alphabet-diagnoses' an how they have exploded these past 30 years.
I'll add a caveat about vitamin therapy: one need to be very careful if doing things like that for real, and it should be combined with other therapies and under the ausoice of a trained and licensed nurse as to remove the risk of overdosing and causing harm that way. Mucking about with massive doses of vitamins, especially many different ones taken together, can and will destroy the body far worse than even junk food. Far better to eat a healthy and balanced diet of real food, processed as little as possible/necessary, combined with physical and mental exercises (spelling one's own name backwards while doing pull-ups is a simple one f.e.). Especially considering what nutritional supplements cost and what they are made from.
This episode happened over thirty years ago. I like to think that today they would take a different approach. Back then they were just exhausted, at wit's end and concerned for the safety of their other child. Their marriage did not last, btw. I think there had always been problems, and in retrospect I wonder if the girl was also reacting to the undercurrents in the family drama (a chicken and egg thing - her mother's mother in Hong Kong had a dreadful history and went mad, and as adept as she was, Tessa picked up on the fear and acted out. Just a theory). Re: vitamins - I just remember hearing about how Vitamin C has been studied as a treatment for schizophrenia. It seems it was quite effective in high doses (which are not toxic or dangerous - when tolerance is reached the worst they can cause is diarrhea).
I was going to say "via 'news' media and political parties" but same thing and you beat me to it, bravo!
Ouch!
For everyone's reading pleasure:
Antipsychoptics cause brain damage
https://cucumbermelon.substack.com/p/the-new-lobotomy-antipsychotic-drugs?s=w
Antidepressants cause brain cell death and dementia
https://cucumbermelon.substack.com/p/dementia-and-anti-depressant-drugs?utm_source=%2Fprofile%2F58749467-cucumbermelon&utm_medium=reader2&s=w
or with masks on NY toddlers
If you really think about it, COVID hysteria is a combination of a lobotomy and eugenics - both settled science back in the day.
It's the only explanation, Yuri.
I thought that the chemical-laden swab I have to jam up my nose for unvaxxed covid testing that allows me to go to work was the modern version of the lobotomy?
Serious question - can't you just spit on the swab? I thought the virus was in droplets which is why we have to wear slave masks. No?
Not part of the directions. I do get to tell the site covid supervisor she is a nazi every time I do it, which is satisfying. Not sure why I am considered "difficult to work with"..
I had that same thought
My Dad was a journalist in the 1970’s. Growing up poor in an abusive, alcoholic home, and turning 18 in combat trapped at the top of a mountain, not much shook him up. To this day he says 2 stories he covered really upset him/ messed with him.
The first was going to services at one of those snake venom churches in Western Virginia (not WV). The second was interviewing people who had had a lobotomy. The latter was FAR more upsetting. He could never figure out how doctors allowed themselves to perform hundreds, some thousands, of these procedures when the terrible results were obvious and pronounced.
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/greek_oath.html
Really, found this on the NIH web site. Most of you probably know this, some of you even swore to be bound by it. Sure, there is no small irony today in discussing "ethics" in the context of NIH. The third paragraph is I believe the source of the commitment every modern physician is supposed to make, "first do no harm".
I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgement, and I will do no harm or injustice to them.
I am not a physician (nor do I play one on TV). But it seems the "first do no harm" and certainly the concept of no injustice has been lost, forgotten or buried, replaced instead with a plethora of potentially harmful practices, often with little or now risk/benefit analysis allowed.
I have an ongoing debate with my physician over statin drugs. He wants me on them because of an arbitrary number. His sole defense of his position is an AMA guideline that sets (an ever decreasing) target number. I've been through a full set of imaging studies and cardiologists review, have no family history of elevated risk, the CV health of a 30 year old (at 62) and still he points to a number in an AMA guideline endorsed by the FDA. I point to the research on statin drugs, risks, and limited potential for benefit to me other than achieving an arbitrary number. The actual research on Statin drugs seems to have little bearing on the medical practice and AMA recommendations. The last card in my deck is to point out this is the SAME set of authorities that tell him BMI is a meaningful metric, which according to them, declares most MMA fighters and NFL running backs "obese".
What happened to "first, do no harm"??
Try nattokinase
I agree. My generation (I was born in the 1980’s) is detached from reality. We were inundated with the undefinable “greater good of society” nonsense, all while being encouraged to take the path of least resistance. Everybody gets a trophy.
I’m surrounded by physicians - neighbors, country club, kids’ private school. Most are just as gullible as the rest of the population. A terrifying trend is “boomers consume too many resources. They need to accept they are going to die.” The gullible ones don’t care if a particular boomer has saved their whole lives to afford healthcare in retirement. They don’t care if the person is otherwise healthy. Ideology and flow chart medicine rules the day for 85% of the ones we know (though we appreciate the advice from the other 15% who encouraged us to live normally and stay far away from the vaccines, even the ones forced to get them stuck in noncompetes).
Given the specific example of a 75 year old man, who has money because he saved his whole working life, and who was killed by a local hospital via refusal to treat because “Covid,” many physicians I know literally see no issue. This gentleman waited 9 hours in the ER with excruciating pain in fall 2020. When he was finally seen, they said his appendix ruptured. An easily treatable issue (get it out). Instead of operating, they said “sorry, no surgery, Covid.” Then they gave him antibiotics and sent him home. He died that night. Totally unnecessary and completely cruel. He went to the regular ER, not the Covid hospital which was a couple miles away. They just used the excuse. They knew he would die. They didn’t care. “He’s old.” They don’t care about kids either - they’re “resilient.” They only seem to care about people just like them.
When everyone is reduced to a “group” anything, no matter how cruel, no matter how stupid, no matter how misguided, can be justified. Toddler having speech issues and detachment issues from wearing a mask 2 years? It’s ok, “most” kids will be fine. Is your 16 year old son a great athlete who recovered from Covid? Get a shot anyway, “most kids” will be just fine.
Wether flow chart medicine or justifying mistakes by blaming the patient for being the wrong age or injecting kids with too much crap or putting people needlessly on big pharma subscriptions, this generation of doctors has abandoned critical thinking, and many seem incapable of recognizing harm to the individual patient as actually being harmful.
My daughter had an appendix rupture last fall (at 10). Long story short, after meeting the med students and residents waiting for surgery, she said “mom, I’m going to have to become a doctor, if that’s the future of medicine, we’re all gonna die.” 😂. Fortunately, at 10 she’s read over 750 actual books, gets straight A’s at an academically accelerated conservative private Christian school (they don’t play everybody gets a trophy), and is a top swimmer and soccer player her age in our urban county. If she says she’s going to do something, she does it. I only hope there are thousands and thousands of other kids just like her - grounded, motivated, loving, rooted in recognizing reality, truth, and outcomes. I think there are. There is hope.
My whole family has switched to an integrative health practice. The kid’s allergies are under control, their guts are healthier (all of ours), they caught that I was B12 deficient from taking reflux medicine, despite a high dairy meat diet, and got me off the meds even though I have a hiatal hernia. Seeing doctors who treat individual actual patients is worth every penny.
What a post! I'm so sad about the gentleman who died, that is just awful, but what an inspiration to read about your daughter and family! It made my day. Thank you! P.S. Yes, nattokinase offers excellent support for people who have taken the jab and/or are worried about blood clots.
Thank you!
Good for you for standing up to your doctor. They usually require some training. My current doc and I went through a small but fierce power struggle before he came to understand that I would not blindly comply with his every dictum, including the jab. He now accepts that we work together, and I have the final word on what happens to my body under his care. If he didn't, he would no longer be my doctor.
Algorithmic medicine and electronic medical records are preparing the world for AI Healthcare. If your doctor is appearing to act like a robot... well... he is part of that transition.
why would you continue to see this doctor?
Fair question. Because I can have the discussion. He hasn't dropped me for probing questions or challenges. Compared to most of the MDs I've met that's exceptional.
I was 60 before I had a 'primary care physician', as I only occasionally needed a doctor, other than the ophthalmologist I see every year. Everyone told me "you can't be over 60 and NOT have a primary care physician!" which I ignored until the insurance carrier agreed (i.e. forced it upon me). So I asked my eye doc and he recommended this guy because "he'll argue with you". In fairness to my doc, he acknowledged that BMI is stupid when I made my case (I won that one).
PS I'm not on any medication. I said "ongoing debate" and so far I'm not losing.
I think that’s a great question. In my case, I can manipulate my doctor to a certain extent; he can be a useful idiot. I do see other health modality professional more frequently. I gave VA care in order to eligible for urgent care outside the VA, one must see a VA primary care doc once every 2 years. sometimes urgent care is needed. A urgent care visit is upward of $200 without insurance.
I am going to get this laminated and take to tge very few doctor appointments I attend.
The "modern version":
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html
I cannot imagine. I was sufficiently upset by "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest".
History repeating itself.
I think more radical treatment is required, amputation at the neck.
I have been saying bring back the guillotine. We wouldn’t want advances in medicine to allow them to re-train their brains in the same ASMMNBC vein….
i am confused sire, about the benefits of this treatment. would it be from neck up, or neck down? we have to be certain on deh science....
Apparently it works either way.
Here's today's dose of real world nightmares from the WSJ:
www.wsj.com/articles/three-doses-of-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-80-effective-in-young-children-company-says-11653302701?mod=hp_lead_pos3
Covid shots for those as young as 6 months...
Evil evil monsters
none of the shots protect anyone, they measure a "response" that is not correlated to preventing infection or stopping spread, this is all fake af science
I was aware that lobotomy was once a popular treatment, but I still had to Wiki Munoz. Yes, he did indeed win a Nobel. Creepy! I'm sure that some brain surgery has its place, but yes, a tool can be put to evil use, often simply by trying to do too much good. Surely the lobotomy will join the Hall of Medical Shame along with such bloopers as the very long delay in accepting Semmelweis's counsel for a physician to simply wash his hands with soap and water between patients. I suspect that mRNA jabs for billions of people, absent any long term proofs of safety, will join that list. This last assumption would require that sanity may return to governments, but even that may be a lost hope. Alas, we may in fact be lurching towards some dystopian world. Realistically, I cannot see any way that our existing governments would be able to say (in a bad case scenario) "Yeah, we're sorry that millions of people were crippled or died as a result of a rushed, mandated experimental vaccine. But hey, we thought it was a serious plague. We promise it won't happen again." I think the rot is too widespread, the systems too far corrupted.
Semmelweis recommended the use of chlorinated lime, also known as calcium hypochorite or bleaching powder... the antecedent of today's Clorox. Much more effective than soap alone at disinfecting the physician's hands.
I think whether 'science' is adopted mostly depends on the mindset of those doing the adopting. Accepting Semmelweis's recommendation meant that the physician first had to admit his responsibility in the deaths of hundreds of patients. That was a tough row to hoe. Much easier if you view yourself to be acting pro-actively in the service of humanity... fits the god complex much better.
Right up there with lobotomies will be Female Genital Mutilation/Clitoridectomy as performed in the United States (I wish I could italicize this) from the mid-19th century up until the 1960s. We tend to think FGM/C happens elsewhere - Africa, the Middle East - and in the U.S. has been strictly an illegal surgery performed clandestinely on immigrant girls. This is not the case. Historically it was performed on American girls and women for almost a century. Because Science. https://nursingclio.org/2015/01/08/female-circumcision-clitoridectomy-and-american-culture/
A review of the history of that particular "prize" illustrates how divorced from science it has become (and this is not a recent development). Browsing the rolls we see politics dominates in many fields. It has been hard to retain respect for the committee(s) and for the Nobel itself.
Anyone familiar with the movie/series "12 Monkeys"? It's about a plague that wipes out most of the human race in 2017 and time travelers from the future are trying to stop it. Kind of interesting to see parallels with what is going on there.
Always thought they based the pandemic on that movie....
Dr Peter C. Gøtzsche exposes big pharma as organized crime. He is a co-founder of the Cochrane Collaboration and has written numerous reviews for the organization. In 2013 he wrote a book:"Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Healthcare".
https://twitter.com/B33Mello/status/1527954514158002178
Exorcism, not medical intervention, of these people is the way out of this mess...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6GIbICDY0s
Driving a nail into someone's head seems pretty inexact. I say we implant a brain chip to make the patients follow the Constitution and remind them of various top-down failures.
For all the Kennedy family hagiographers out there:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/rosemary-kennedy
It was a terrible thing to do to that woman. I didn’t live far from the residence facility she was shipped off to.
Was also performed on Tennessee Williams' sister Rose, his inspiration for Laura in "The Glass Menagerie". For the rest of his life Williams was consumed with guilt and horror at what the family's decision did to his beloved sister.
I was not aware. Thank you.
😢😢
Indeed.
Old Joe couldn’t have someone like Rosemary getting the way of his presidential aspirations for his sons. Can’t have that.
Exactly. What if the “press” found out?
I always used to hear that the low for medicine was using leeches to let out evil spirits or something. The funny thing is even to this day, on a small subset of the population (I.e. postmenopausal women with excessive iron levels) leeches could have actually performed great things. It was the one size fits all nature that killed it. With lobotomy? I don't know. I guess it would have made some shrieking hysterics quieter...
fun fact: leeches actually work.
they are quite good preventing coagulation and reducing swelling. (their saliva is loaded with hirudin)
it was actually FDA approved in 2004.
https://www.vox.com/2014/6/19/5820750/leeches-are-making-a-comeback-in-modern-medicine-really
you'd be amazed how many common medicines come from weird animal products. i've been stroke therapies in trials based on vampire bat saliva and malayan pit viper venom.
hyaluronic acid, used to treat osteoarthritis is made from rooster combs.
sea snails are a flat out marvel as a chemical factory.
we almost had to use medical maggots to save my youngest son 20 years ago, a mrsa infection that wouldn't respond to the intravenous Zithromax the hospital had him on. Dr tried an old sulfa drug first, something they don't prescribe anymore. it worked. amazing, huh?
My husband got bit by a pit viper (we're in Southern Thailand so was it Malayan? It was dark green). He hasn't had a stroke. ;)
leeches were very popular in France in the 1800s
https://oldoperatingtheatre.com/leeches-an-early-nineteenth-century-obsession/#:~:text=Even%20with%20such%20advantages%2C%20the,increasing%20to%2010%2C375%20in%201818.
Leeches have been found to stimulate blood flow to body sites due to the anti-coagulant properties of their saliva. I saw a show where they used them to stimulate blood flow to a reattached limb...
I kind of like this as an alternative treatment to the lobotomy, myself....
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hieronymus-Bosch-Removing-the-Stone-of-Stupidity-1475-1480-The-first-picture-in-the_fig1_334362689
If the DGB were still active, Nina would be very disappointed in this display of malign creativity. :(
It is active, now with a literal USA PATRIOT Act writer at the head, completing the circle of "Ron Paul was right."
Do you really think the DGB is not still active? :P
Yup
I, for one, would rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy...
I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a prefrontal lobotomy!