It is not just healthcare. The crunch is going to be widespread, as many workers will be walking. The authoritarians do not understand this is an existential decision for those who choose not to take this experimental substance. A line has been drawn in the sand.
I find myself having to restrain myself more when I am out in public, in the blue area I currently reside in. Especially if it is kids being masked. I think I am going to begin to confront and shame people directly. This will not stop until we make it stop. I will no longer allow those who would choose to oppress me, or others, to remain comfortable.
We went from "every front-line worker is a HERO" to "20% of front-line workers better seek other employment" quicker than a hungry cat zooms into the kitchen when someone starts up the can opener.
The coming strain on any health system that does this will be like finding out it was only a can of green beans and not tuna. :(
The healthcare workers have to get together and practice in a new settings where these jab mandates are not allowed. But how to even go about it if all hospitals are under the big powers. The German attorney Reiner Fullmich and his committee are buying out a hospital in Germany that was closed last year (many were closed who knows why). This is for health care workers who decline the jabs. And patients are those who are vaccine injured among others. How to get this started in the USA?
Thanks for giving this an airing. Last year we were told Covid was so insidious in part because of asymptomatic spread. Now we know thousands of vaxxed are potential asymptomatic spreaders. I’ve been worried about the nursing home situation for exactly that reason. This is simple logic. The elderly residents don’t mount the same immune response to the vaccination so they’re highly vulnerable. The unvaxxed get sick, right, or at least more of them become symptomatic? So less likely to spread it. Yet they’re being scapegoated.
One thing that I've noticed is that these mandates are always for a month or two in the future -- plenty of time to kick the can down the road when the legal challenges loom on the horizon. It's like they are trying to fake as many people as they can into getting the jab, then when they back off at the last minute they can claim there was never any actual mandate.
Another thing that I wanted to bring up that's sort of off topic -- a lot of these places have rules where you must be vaxxed or be tested weekly. Don't these rules MASSIVELY swing the 'testing' to the unvaxxed, so you'd EXPECT to see more cases there?
I hope and pray they stay strong and walk. If enough HCWs and teachers and other critical workers walk, it may enable the public to hear why and the truth finally comes out. There will be short term exacerbation of the pain we have endured for 18 months, but it may be all that can save us. The whole south Florida region is now 95% misinformed masked zombies..... Like micah6vs8 commented - I am speaking up more - I am considering flyers on car windows - somehow valid information needs to get out before more kids get V!
By the way, the Pfizer shot did not get full approval, its sister product, BioNTech Comirnaty did. Pfizer still only under EUA. I hear they the BNT shots aren’t even yet in production, certainly not available. They can’t use the full FDA approval hook to force you to take the Pfizer. Use this distinction while you can. I certainly hope rumors of mass lawsuits come to fruition. The regulators have cut so many corners, they should be wide open to challenges.
Wrt nursing homes, it was thought that spread in NYC area homes was not just due to readmitting positive patients but also because contract staff float between facilities. Now that there is a vac mandate in NYC, should we expect more spread by vaxxed contractors moving more widely to fill gaps? Have not been impressed by case/hosp rate vs vax rate aeound here as it is. And who wants to sign up for semiannual Pfizer boosters while post-market surveillance is ongoing?
I want there to be crowd-funded vax-mandate unemployment insurance, so we could all support the front line people, especially health care workers, who hold the line and get fired. I would contribute to such a fund, if it existed. Employers must not be allowed to think they have ownership over the bodies of employees.
"If vaccines make it worse and create a large asymptomatic spread vector where none existed before, then vaccinating HSW’s will be a disaster. it would literally be like putting patients in with plague rats."
Have you seen this study out of Vietnam? This study is focussed on the caregivers. Not good.
The vaccine klaxon warning is serious indeed. But what do you make of data from UK and Israel which seem to show the representation of vaccinated and non-vaccinated in hospitalization and mortality figures roughly equal to their proportion in the population? It seems that doesn't square with vaccinated people having attenuated symptoms but equal viral load as compared to non-vaccinated.
If vaccinated people really are gaining milder symptoms by enlisting themselves as asymptomatic spreaders, that sets up a wicked prisoners dilemma scenario. And in this case, the prisoners who decide to get vaccinated to save themselves and screw the non-vaccinated will eventually get screwed themselves, when the vaccine booster treadmill they jumped on does a George Jetson on them.
"To be clear— employees of the United States government and employees of the CDC and FDA are not required to get the vaccine but they want you to be required to get it."
Is that true you think? Seems so, so they are "making life difficult" instead. lol. Two can play that game and I say, game on!
supposedly, dod will order service members to get the shot.
about 40% are reported to have not volunteered for the no data jab.
in the closing years of vietnam 'war' i was stateside. we had a few troops decide the bible said you do not need a haircut or shave..... a series of orders, refusals and so forth the paperwork was done to discharge the literal readers of leviticus.
until the leviticans decided the colonel should let a new member of the religion out on the same action....
ooops, a courts martial and 6 + months in the stockade!
imagine 50k cases like this over making money for pfizer!
I am a seasoned RN with almost-complete clinical grad degree and decades of gritty nursing experience in the trenches. I worked frontline 2019-2020 and my hospital cheered me and my coworkers as “essential” and “heroes.” Then suddenly I became expendable for “non compliance” despite decades of successful flu shot declinations. Why could I decline the flu shot and work unmasked for years, but not the new shot? This fall I walked away from my RN career, my pension and grad school over the mandates because it violates the moral and medical ethics I have followed for my entire career. No way in hell am I going to comply with tyranny or risk my health with an experimental, irreversible, gene therapy based, non-sterilizing injection from Big pHARMa for a disease with a 98+% survival rate. I am pissed as hell and I have nothing to lose. My cattitude gets bigger and badder and more non-compliant each day.
It is not just healthcare. The crunch is going to be widespread, as many workers will be walking. The authoritarians do not understand this is an existential decision for those who choose not to take this experimental substance. A line has been drawn in the sand.
I find myself having to restrain myself more when I am out in public, in the blue area I currently reside in. Especially if it is kids being masked. I think I am going to begin to confront and shame people directly. This will not stop until we make it stop. I will no longer allow those who would choose to oppress me, or others, to remain comfortable.
We went from "every front-line worker is a HERO" to "20% of front-line workers better seek other employment" quicker than a hungry cat zooms into the kitchen when someone starts up the can opener.
The coming strain on any health system that does this will be like finding out it was only a can of green beans and not tuna. :(
The healthcare workers have to get together and practice in a new settings where these jab mandates are not allowed. But how to even go about it if all hospitals are under the big powers. The German attorney Reiner Fullmich and his committee are buying out a hospital in Germany that was closed last year (many were closed who knows why). This is for health care workers who decline the jabs. And patients are those who are vaccine injured among others. How to get this started in the USA?
CA vote for the recalll!!’
Thanks for giving this an airing. Last year we were told Covid was so insidious in part because of asymptomatic spread. Now we know thousands of vaxxed are potential asymptomatic spreaders. I’ve been worried about the nursing home situation for exactly that reason. This is simple logic. The elderly residents don’t mount the same immune response to the vaccination so they’re highly vulnerable. The unvaxxed get sick, right, or at least more of them become symptomatic? So less likely to spread it. Yet they’re being scapegoated.
One thing that I've noticed is that these mandates are always for a month or two in the future -- plenty of time to kick the can down the road when the legal challenges loom on the horizon. It's like they are trying to fake as many people as they can into getting the jab, then when they back off at the last minute they can claim there was never any actual mandate.
Another thing that I wanted to bring up that's sort of off topic -- a lot of these places have rules where you must be vaxxed or be tested weekly. Don't these rules MASSIVELY swing the 'testing' to the unvaxxed, so you'd EXPECT to see more cases there?
I hope and pray they stay strong and walk. If enough HCWs and teachers and other critical workers walk, it may enable the public to hear why and the truth finally comes out. There will be short term exacerbation of the pain we have endured for 18 months, but it may be all that can save us. The whole south Florida region is now 95% misinformed masked zombies..... Like micah6vs8 commented - I am speaking up more - I am considering flyers on car windows - somehow valid information needs to get out before more kids get V!
Gab has started a No Vax Mandate job board. https://trends.gab.com/item/6125500f65ab681f6213c5d4
By the way, the Pfizer shot did not get full approval, its sister product, BioNTech Comirnaty did. Pfizer still only under EUA. I hear they the BNT shots aren’t even yet in production, certainly not available. They can’t use the full FDA approval hook to force you to take the Pfizer. Use this distinction while you can. I certainly hope rumors of mass lawsuits come to fruition. The regulators have cut so many corners, they should be wide open to challenges.
Wrt nursing homes, it was thought that spread in NYC area homes was not just due to readmitting positive patients but also because contract staff float between facilities. Now that there is a vac mandate in NYC, should we expect more spread by vaxxed contractors moving more widely to fill gaps? Have not been impressed by case/hosp rate vs vax rate aeound here as it is. And who wants to sign up for semiannual Pfizer boosters while post-market surveillance is ongoing?
I want there to be crowd-funded vax-mandate unemployment insurance, so we could all support the front line people, especially health care workers, who hold the line and get fired. I would contribute to such a fund, if it existed. Employers must not be allowed to think they have ownership over the bodies of employees.
"If vaccines make it worse and create a large asymptomatic spread vector where none existed before, then vaccinating HSW’s will be a disaster. it would literally be like putting patients in with plague rats."
Have you seen this study out of Vietnam? This study is focussed on the caregivers. Not good.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733
The vaccine klaxon warning is serious indeed. But what do you make of data from UK and Israel which seem to show the representation of vaccinated and non-vaccinated in hospitalization and mortality figures roughly equal to their proportion in the population? It seems that doesn't square with vaccinated people having attenuated symptoms but equal viral load as compared to non-vaccinated.
If vaccinated people really are gaining milder symptoms by enlisting themselves as asymptomatic spreaders, that sets up a wicked prisoners dilemma scenario. And in this case, the prisoners who decide to get vaccinated to save themselves and screw the non-vaccinated will eventually get screwed themselves, when the vaccine booster treadmill they jumped on does a George Jetson on them.
Candace Owens just said: https://t.me/CandaceOwens/2023
"To be clear— employees of the United States government and employees of the CDC and FDA are not required to get the vaccine but they want you to be required to get it."
Is that true you think? Seems so, so they are "making life difficult" instead. lol. Two can play that game and I say, game on!
A bunch of state employees have vax mandates.
supposedly, dod will order service members to get the shot.
about 40% are reported to have not volunteered for the no data jab.
in the closing years of vietnam 'war' i was stateside. we had a few troops decide the bible said you do not need a haircut or shave..... a series of orders, refusals and so forth the paperwork was done to discharge the literal readers of leviticus.
until the leviticans decided the colonel should let a new member of the religion out on the same action....
ooops, a courts martial and 6 + months in the stockade!
imagine 50k cases like this over making money for pfizer!
I am a seasoned RN with almost-complete clinical grad degree and decades of gritty nursing experience in the trenches. I worked frontline 2019-2020 and my hospital cheered me and my coworkers as “essential” and “heroes.” Then suddenly I became expendable for “non compliance” despite decades of successful flu shot declinations. Why could I decline the flu shot and work unmasked for years, but not the new shot? This fall I walked away from my RN career, my pension and grad school over the mandates because it violates the moral and medical ethics I have followed for my entire career. No way in hell am I going to comply with tyranny or risk my health with an experimental, irreversible, gene therapy based, non-sterilizing injection from Big pHARMa for a disease with a 98+% survival rate. I am pissed as hell and I have nothing to lose. My cattitude gets bigger and badder and more non-compliant each day.