It is not just healthcare. The crunch is going to be widespread, as many workers will be walking. The authoritarians do not understand this is an existential decision for those who choose not to take this experimental substance. A line has been drawn in the sand.
I find myself having to restrain myself more when I am out in public, in the blue area I currently reside in. Especially if it is kids being masked. I think I am going to begin to confront and shame people directly. This will not stop until we make it stop. I will no longer allow those who would choose to oppress me, or others, to remain comfortable.
Yeah my caregiver union SEIU is trying to soften us up for mandatory vaxx. It'll be interesting as many caregivers are black women and Latinas and the union has always been vocal about caregivers having independence in how we work. And these were also the populations most skeptical about the vaxx. Mind you, I've never been a fan of the union and there's not really a way to bre "outside" the union.
It'll also be interesting because most of us are taking care of family members and so we're not working "outside the home" and interacting with households we're not in 24/7/365. They've sent two surveys asking our opinions of the vaxx and my response both times were to tell them to fuck off with any hint of a mandate, in those exact words.
Micah 6:8 - absolutely true. Healthcare. Nursing and Assisted Living centers. Police, Fire, EMS, the trucking industry (any idea how we get the huge majority of our food and materials and even services delilvered by vehicle?). Our kids won't be able to add or subtract. They'll know absolutely nothing of our actual national or even world history. Churches are being shut down and punished. Btw: that will backfire on "them" in a big way. Thank you, Micah 6:8!
Yes, need people the cabal fears, cops, firefighters (like Capt. is link), military, etc. Just thinking out loud here: What if JSOC and SOF types come to the conclusion that this needs to end? I suspect it would not take all that big a spark for a small movement, with the right resources, to jolt an effective working-class revolt. If revolt comes, it will split along class lines.
Where are they going to walk to? This is the problem. Let's say my school requires proof of vaccination. EIther they make a big deal of it or they do not. If they do not, some who don't want the vaccine for whatever reason can show their school nurse a faked CDC card and then the nurse says, okay, writes your name in a book, and its clear. If the nurse is a stickler, maybe she punches in the vaccine lot numbers and sees that your lot never existed, for example, and calls you out. I dunno. Lets pretend that happens. Youre fined. You quit. All neighboring schools requiring it. Do you go work at Amazon warehouses for half the pay? My bet is that Amazon will require it. It's a DNC client corporation, so why wouldn't they. Im sure we will be reading soon that WaPo requires all staffers to get vaccinated (cuz reporters without vaccines, ooh, that just looks bad for our narrative.)
This goes on not until 100% US is vaccinated, but 100% WORLD. You wait.
that is the philosophy and the attitude of a born (and about to be) serf.
this is exactly why it needs to be fought now before they get vaxxpass entrenched. it only gets harder from there.
it's also a wildly implauisble set of claims.
can you seriously think that a nation that cannot stop heroin sales, even in federal prisons and has 100's of billions in medicare fraud annually is going to be able to stop doctors from taking cash to fake vaccines?
here's $100, squirt the booster on the floor.
many will do it out of conscience.
do you really think these companies and hospitals can survive the 10-20% who quit over it and that other companies will not happily take advantage of skilled labor?
because many of us will stand on principle and seek to associate with others like us.
people will change jobs and states to escape it. and the federal mandate is not happening in the still federalist america. too many are too ready to fight, and it's a winning fight, especially economically.
this doom and gloom is a powerless and economically illiterate position.
it's the same argument that "banning X race from Y job" will hurt you economically. any time you limit your customers or employees, you disadvantage yourself vs those who do not.
someone will step in and take advantage.
the boosters killed all the credibility here. this is the end of the blitz and the beginning of the collapse.
sorry you're too cowed and beaten to see it.
your "resistance is futile, go along to get along" attitude is part of the problem.
cooperating with the vichy makes you vichy and so does telling other you cannot fight them.
This is it right here. Those rural hospitals that have a hard time recruiting? All of a sudden, they're going to be getting the best talent at bargain prices. I've already seen recruiting ads touting "no vax required". We're in a skilled labor shortage--the smart employers will be scooping up the independent thinkers!
The problem is that nursing homes have already received govt letters and put on notice that failure to have 100% vaccinated staff they will lose medicare/medicaid funding. They did that with smoking on hospital property awhile ago (I don't like smoking anyway but it was the beginning of a slippery slope).
These places already have problems getting caring, responsible employees. There is high demand for these skills, even the lower skilled ones. Many will find other places to work, and the quality of care in the nursing homes will decline.
Also, this right here (and the whole vaccine mandate BS) will remind everyone why we NEVER want so-called "universal healthcare".
im not that guy at all. Im just making a statement here. I hope youre right. I say you will see more people accepting the vaccination if their job is at risk. I dont think it will be 100%. but close to it. We shall see. i am not vaccinated against Covid, BTW. I had Covid. Lived.
I wonder if Vegas is making odds on who blinks first--employers or employees! We will all see together if Americans have been pushed too far this time...
It does feel a little bit bluffy. Hard for me to read where I stand with my job which I've worked for 16 years now (I'm a paralegal for a criminal law office). My boss issued an office policy mandating as a condition of ongoing employment the vaccine once it is FDA approved (which allegedly has occurred as of Monday last week, though if you read the actual letter, the claim Pfizer's drug is "FDA approved" seems more dubious).
Anywho, I related my vaccine concerns to my boss even a week before that happened, and ever since he has not only not responded to me over my request for a religious exemption, life has gone on as though the policy were never stated and I have yet to see any repercussions. We'll see how long that lasts...but push comes to shove, he'll have to fire me, and I'm not sure he wants to lose a paralegal with so many years of experience over refusal to get a vaccine while I remain, in a "pandemic", healthy as a horse, and I don't even take ivermectin as a prophylactic!
Bit of the black pill atm Kenneth? I get it. Breathe. You asked where are they going to walk to? They are going to create parallel structures. That is what is going to happen- and already is happening. That does not mean it will be sunshine and roses. There may be initial hardship and loss, but it does mean those new structures, those new relationships will be created and built on a firmer, more authentic, and life affirming foundation. Your school? If they mandate vax, then walk as my wife just did from her graduate program (she is now in a cheaper, better online program). Doing business with Amazon? Why would you support corporations that oppress you? We all have an appointment with history and things will not be as easy as they once were. We did not ask for this, but here we are. What are you going to do about it is the real question? As stated yesterday here, it is time to suit up or shut up. I will never be forced xax'ed. Ever. I am now proceeding accordingly.
And I DEFINITELY do not buy from Amazon. All should download the extension WeCultivate.US right now for Firefox, Chrome and Safari. If you're into Amazon, but want to buy US made goods, this extension will tell you automatically if the companyships from China, or is a China brand, which means it may as well be money to China. They also have a way for you to shop for products made in the USA on line. All retail consumer goods. Like clothes.
I know, the parallel structure bit. Vaclav Havel. I don't work for a school. I work for a think tank now (ex reporter) and work from home. The problem would be requiring "papers" to travel but Im happy not traveling either. Screw em. Im ready for the Hunger Games. Bring it.
Find a community that you can trust Kenneth. Human contact and relationships are critical. You will need each other. If you can't trust someone, know that and proceed with that knowledge. Milgram's 37 is a song about the compliant, banal, useful idiots of totalitarians which is approximately 65% of humans. Then add in the current mass psychoses. Be careful. https://youtu.be/7zNwGXuLVKU
I definitely have it. Im in rural southern MA. Never was a problem here. 1 person died of Covid in the last week...in my COUNTY. Yet...school masks. Its all mandated from Boston. They think we all live on top of one another.
I often take a few too many black pills, myself. It’s easy to despair. Demoralization is a tactic being employed constantly in this fraud. They want us to feel trapped, questioning our own sanity. But we’re not the crazy ones foisting dangerous and unnecessary gene therapies on the entire world.
You could use a white pill or two. This scam is so big, built on lies so paper thin, it’s a house of cards about to tumble down at any moment. As gato said, the boosters are waking many people up to the game being played. Go out and talk to some regular people. Unmasked, preferably. There are plenty of good people out there who feel like they have to whisper about the nonsensical actions forced on them by our equally incompetent and tyrannical government.
Try to take the quantum pill. It’s being in the state of both white and black pills. Yes, this is bad and there is a darkness engulfing us. There is also hope, yet. The caliber of our elites is dismal. These aren’t the brightest bulbs. The reason they are escalating force through coercion is because they are not very persuasive, at all.
The level of trust in our institutions was unnaturally high. Such blind faith and apathy got us where we are. Many people are waking up to this and at a critical mass there is no way to control that many people. Stand with us.
Did you notice how Walmart is mandating vaccines for corporate but not for store workers? They cannot afford to lose one person in the stores in my area as they are very short handed as it is. There are areas of resistance all over, especially in red states. Even my local SEC university is not going to require proof of vaccines or masks at the football games when they start next week. I know it is difficult if you live where the covidiots scream the loudest; I am from California. But now living in the more rural south, it is a very different world. In the bigger cities around here, there are those who are losing their minds about kids not wearing masks in school. But out here in the country, kids haven’t worn masks to school since right after they went back to school in late spring of last year. I cannot recommend getting out of cities enough. I’m sure the pay is less but so is the cost of living and the quality of life is so much greater. There is not enough money to pay me to live in a place like California again.
We went from "every front-line worker is a HERO" to "20% of front-line workers better seek other employment" quicker than a hungry cat zooms into the kitchen when someone starts up the can opener.
The coming strain on any health system that does this will be like finding out it was only a can of green beans and not tuna. :(
The healthcare workers have to get together and practice in a new settings where these jab mandates are not allowed. But how to even go about it if all hospitals are under the big powers. The German attorney Reiner Fullmich and his committee are buying out a hospital in Germany that was closed last year (many were closed who knows why). This is for health care workers who decline the jabs. And patients are those who are vaccine injured among others. How to get this started in the USA?
Thanks for giving this an airing. Last year we were told Covid was so insidious in part because of asymptomatic spread. Now we know thousands of vaxxed are potential asymptomatic spreaders. I’ve been worried about the nursing home situation for exactly that reason. This is simple logic. The elderly residents don’t mount the same immune response to the vaccination so they’re highly vulnerable. The unvaxxed get sick, right, or at least more of them become symptomatic? So less likely to spread it. Yet they’re being scapegoated.
Yup. Many of us weren't Trump voters. I won't for any of those bastards (both parties) ever again. I am so grateful for those few Republicans standing up for our rights to bodily sovereignty.
True asymptomatic spread of respiratory viruses is not a real thing. Symptoms are caused by the virus invading cells and replicating. No symptoms means there is no replication which means there's not enough virus to spread. Any 8th grader can tell you this because it was basic knowledge until the authoritarians needed it to be real in 2020.
I don't think "asymptomatic vaccinated spread" is real, either. I think what that really means is that vaccinated people have very mild symptoms - or don't take their illness seriously - and that's why they are contagious. But a truly asymptomatic person - unvaxxed or not - cannot be contagious.
The possibility that the vaxxed are more liable to be asymptomatic spreaders is a theory I think needs more explanation. I worry that it feeds the narrative that "asymptomatic drives the spread of the pandemic" which got us into this quagmire from the beginning.
the vaccines may have changed that by creating a set of carriers that can have high viral load and low symptomatic burden, so, instead of feeling ill and staying home, you feel fine and go mingle and spread.
if this proves out, it means the new surges are actually being driven BY the vaccinated.
seems to align with the data from high vaxx places. even just the accumulated resistance from prior exposure should be attenuating spread, but it's not.
An important question that I have not seen addressed - will mild covid in vaxxed individuals create sterilizing immunity in that population? Or can they repeatedly contract infection? Will the virus evolve to the point that it can become a chronic parasite in the vaxxed? Qué opina de todo eso, gato?
My understanding is that in vaccinated people, their symptoms, but not viral load, are attenuated. If anyone knows better than me, pipe in and correct me, of course. :)
the vaccinated case rate is looking about the same as unvaxxed in israel. the question is whether they are experiencing symptoms and to what extent. there, i'm less sure of the data.
According to PHE data on the Delta variant in England, the fully vaxxed are less likely to be infected, seek care, and be hospitalized...but more likely to die with infection than the unvaxxed. They are catching up with the unvaxxed wrt infections as well. I'm beginning to wonder if the jabs actually increase infection risk in the fully vaxxed.
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73,372 Fully Vaxxed Infections
183,133 Unvaxxed Infections
2.5 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed.
(3.2 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed as of August 8.)
289 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed.
334 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed in 50+ cohort.
One thing that I've noticed is that these mandates are always for a month or two in the future -- plenty of time to kick the can down the road when the legal challenges loom on the horizon. It's like they are trying to fake as many people as they can into getting the jab, then when they back off at the last minute they can claim there was never any actual mandate.
Another thing that I wanted to bring up that's sort of off topic -- a lot of these places have rules where you must be vaxxed or be tested weekly. Don't these rules MASSIVELY swing the 'testing' to the unvaxxed, so you'd EXPECT to see more cases there?
According to the CDC, they stopped counting cases of vaccinated people unless they become hospitalized or die, so yes, you'd absolutely expect more cases in unvaxxed.
holy crap the CDC admits to not even counting cases of vaccinated people who test positive for COVID (unless they are hospitalized or die)?? Am I understanding you right? And if so, where did you get this information?
I think it's time to strike up a conversation with our old pal % positive. He's never quite been as popular at parties as cases, deaths, and hospitalizations but he might still be languishing in the corner and nursing a red Solo cup of some nasty inscrutable substance.
But our other friend, PCR Ct value, seems not to even be at the party at all. I'm not even sure he was invited, and if he was, he's probably been ushered out the back by the hosts who are worried he might cause a big scene.
I hope and pray they stay strong and walk. If enough HCWs and teachers and other critical workers walk, it may enable the public to hear why and the truth finally comes out. There will be short term exacerbation of the pain we have endured for 18 months, but it may be all that can save us. The whole south Florida region is now 95% misinformed masked zombies..... Like micah6vs8 commented - I am speaking up more - I am considering flyers on car windows - somehow valid information needs to get out before more kids get V!
By the way, the Pfizer shot did not get full approval, its sister product, BioNTech Comirnaty did. Pfizer still only under EUA. I hear they the BNT shots aren’t even yet in production, certainly not available. They can’t use the full FDA approval hook to force you to take the Pfizer. Use this distinction while you can. I certainly hope rumors of mass lawsuits come to fruition. The regulators have cut so many corners, they should be wide open to challenges.
Nice to see others are picking up on this nuance. Every media outlet I've read, left or right, has come out with the headline that Pfizer's vaccine has been FDA approved. Not so much...and even when they do, the FDA has a lackluster track record for approving drugs that shouldn't have been approved. AZT comes to mind in a situation I find eerily similar to this one...
Wrt nursing homes, it was thought that spread in NYC area homes was not just due to readmitting positive patients but also because contract staff float between facilities. Now that there is a vac mandate in NYC, should we expect more spread by vaxxed contractors moving more widely to fill gaps? Have not been impressed by case/hosp rate vs vax rate aeound here as it is. And who wants to sign up for semiannual Pfizer boosters while post-market surveillance is ongoing?
I want there to be crowd-funded vax-mandate unemployment insurance, so we could all support the front line people, especially health care workers, who hold the line and get fired. I would contribute to such a fund, if it existed. Employers must not be allowed to think they have ownership over the bodies of employees.
"If vaccines make it worse and create a large asymptomatic spread vector where none existed before, then vaccinating HSW’s will be a disaster. it would literally be like putting patients in with plague rats."
Have you seen this study out of Vietnam? This study is focussed on the caregivers. Not good.
The vaccine klaxon warning is serious indeed. But what do you make of data from UK and Israel which seem to show the representation of vaccinated and non-vaccinated in hospitalization and mortality figures roughly equal to their proportion in the population? It seems that doesn't square with vaccinated people having attenuated symptoms but equal viral load as compared to non-vaccinated.
If vaccinated people really are gaining milder symptoms by enlisting themselves as asymptomatic spreaders, that sets up a wicked prisoners dilemma scenario. And in this case, the prisoners who decide to get vaccinated to save themselves and screw the non-vaccinated will eventually get screwed themselves, when the vaccine booster treadmill they jumped on does a George Jetson on them.
Vaccine mandates as a way to stop covid are an increasingly dishonest position. The data is not good and getting worse. Are people protected well in the short-term? Yes, that seems so. Beyond 6mo the numbers get worse in an accelerating fashion. The data is there in plain sight. Particularly with the Pfizer vaccine.
Give them another booster. Sure. How about another after that? And then what?
And the vaxed that get sick and blame the unvaxxed are completely dishonest. Why are you vaccinated? To prevent covid. Oh, then why are you mad at the unvaxxed? B/c they should have acted as sheep and gotten the vaccine without questioning it. So, they shouldn't question the vaccine you took that didn't work? Okay, that makes sense.
I agree with all that you said, but I'm asking a specific question. You gave an answer to that, but I'd like to know what the basis is for it. I'm asking if the vaccines are indeed protective against severe disease, even temporarily so. If so, then people have a "prisoners dilemma" motivation to get vaccinated, even though that's not in everyone's interest in the long run.
But the larger point is that I don't understand how this assertion that vaccines protect against severe disease squares with data from Israel and UK which show hospitalizations and deaths distributed between vaccinated and non-vaccinated cohorts pretty close to their relative proportions in the population. This seems contrary to the idea that the vaccines provide protection against severe disease. Maybe there are confounding factors (e.g. more vulnerable people in the vaccinated cohort), but it seems unlikely this would result in equivalent ratios as we see.
Some data out of the UK shows that if you get COVID, you are less likely to die if you are vaxxed and over 50. People under 50 with COVID were MORE likely to die if vaxxed (although deaths under 50 were rare in either case).
the only data I have seen that is very compelling is from Israel where, you are correct, breakthrough infections are also making people seriously ill and they are dying. It seems to me, and others may refute this with good data, that illness burden increases at a certain rate but only mild illness initially. Over time, serious illness rates increase as well - it just lags as immunity is strongest the first few months.
First, there is primarily mild breakthrough infection and then, as the veil of protection diminishes further, severe breatkthrough increases. That is my take.
"To be clear— employees of the United States government and employees of the CDC and FDA are not required to get the vaccine but they want you to be required to get it."
Is that true you think? Seems so, so they are "making life difficult" instead. lol. Two can play that game and I say, game on!
this wouldn't surprise me in the least. Congress exempted themselves from Obamacare which was forced onto the rest of us. It seems pretty clear at this point that these mandates are not about health. The CDC, FDA and other government types probably know, or at least suspect, the reasons for the insane drive toward global "vaccinations" and would want to avoid whatever fate awaits the masses who've been fooled into compliance.
"Larry Cosme, President of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, which represents 30,000 federal officers and agents, said in a statement while the organization supports the vaccine it opposes compelling it.
“Forcing people to undertake a medical procedure is not the American way and is a clear civil rights violation no matter how proponents may seek to justify it,” he said.
This is INTERESTING! Sign a form? Sure, I'd sign a form.
"Federal workers will be required to sign forms attesting they’ve been vaccinated against the coronavirus or else comply with new rules on mandatory masking, weekly testing, distancing and more."
"But fewer than 10% of employers have said they intend to require all employees to be vaccinated, based on periodic surveys by the research firm Gartner."
"US President Joe Biden announced a new measure on Thursday requiring all federal workers and on-site contractors to verify that they received the COVID-19 vaccine. Unvaccinated federal employees will face mandatory masking, weekly testing, and travel restrictions."
Okay, so they will make things difficult for the unvaxxed but you will not lose your job. Can't say that for the hospital systems. If they cut me loose (the walls are quickly closing in...) b/c I refuse to vaccinate after having already had covid I will walk away. For the foreseeable future I can set up a cash business doing house calls on covid patients. No vaccinated physicians without natural immunity will want to do that, but I am fine with it. Demand should not be a problem.... Will find something else after that.
Don't require me to get something I don't need. That is just plain stupid.
Did you see the grandstanding in Florida of vaxxed doctors walking out, saying they would not treat the unvaxed? Parallel economy - BRING IT ON! Btw, America’s Frontline Doctors may need someone like you as they are doing virtual visits and seem to be overwhelmed. People want to be treated prophylactically or symptomatically with therapeutics and I’ve read that doctors have been ordered not to use some drugs.
They are entitled to their opinions and I understand their frustrations. However, we all do take the Hippocratic oath. People do all sorts of stupid things and make lots of bad decisions. And sometimes make good decisions and still wind up in medical jeopardy. I would counter that no physician I know would refuse to treat an AIDs patient b/c of their diagnosis or means of acquiring the illness. Same with any STD. How about a motorcycle rider that suffers a serious accident? Heart or COPD patient that keeps smoking? Severe flu case in the ICU but patient chose to not be vaccinated? Refuse to take medication for all of the above and so many other illnesses?
Screw them, those schmucks should have known better!
Seriously? This is what it has come to?!
It is unacceptable to refuse treatment because of behavior and a violation of the oath taken by physicians. And even worse to pick and choose for which behavior we are going to refuse treatment. I emphatically disagree with the behavior of those physicians.
I've read that event was misrepresented. MSNBC lied...shocker. The docs met before work to advocate for masks and jabs...and then went to work. Anyone who would walk out on a critical care patient should be fired and prosecuted.
Oh, and I agree with the parallel economy comment. How about businesses that are willing to buck the system and refuse to comply with mandates? Would love to see it.
I have two "primary" physicians - one pro-mRNA vax, one not. The one with a fully mRNA vaxxed office is afraid of seeing *any* patients in person - virtual only.
Does you PCP realized that the CDC Director admitted to Wolf Blitzer...in early August...that the jabs don't stop infection with or transmission of the Delta variant and that the fully vaxxed and unvaxxed have similar viral loads?
They're not pushing a 3rd dose because the 1st and 2nd worked too well. But don't worry...Walensky doesn't have data to support the booster...but she has hope.
supposedly, dod will order service members to get the shot.
about 40% are reported to have not volunteered for the no data jab.
in the closing years of vietnam 'war' i was stateside. we had a few troops decide the bible said you do not need a haircut or shave..... a series of orders, refusals and so forth the paperwork was done to discharge the literal readers of leviticus.
until the leviticans decided the colonel should let a new member of the religion out on the same action....
ooops, a courts martial and 6 + months in the stockade!
imagine 50k cases like this over making money for pfizer!
I am a seasoned RN with almost-complete clinical grad degree and decades of gritty nursing experience in the trenches. I worked frontline 2019-2020 and my hospital cheered me and my coworkers as “essential” and “heroes.” Then suddenly I became expendable for “non compliance” despite decades of successful flu shot declinations. Why could I decline the flu shot and work unmasked for years, but not the new shot? This fall I walked away from my RN career, my pension and grad school over the mandates because it violates the moral and medical ethics I have followed for my entire career. No way in hell am I going to comply with tyranny or risk my health with an experimental, irreversible, gene therapy based, non-sterilizing injection from Big pHARMa for a disease with a 98+% survival rate. I am pissed as hell and I have nothing to lose. My cattitude gets bigger and badder and more non-compliant each day.
It is not just healthcare. The crunch is going to be widespread, as many workers will be walking. The authoritarians do not understand this is an existential decision for those who choose not to take this experimental substance. A line has been drawn in the sand.
I find myself having to restrain myself more when I am out in public, in the blue area I currently reside in. Especially if it is kids being masked. I think I am going to begin to confront and shame people directly. This will not stop until we make it stop. I will no longer allow those who would choose to oppress me, or others, to remain comfortable.
Yeah my caregiver union SEIU is trying to soften us up for mandatory vaxx. It'll be interesting as many caregivers are black women and Latinas and the union has always been vocal about caregivers having independence in how we work. And these were also the populations most skeptical about the vaxx. Mind you, I've never been a fan of the union and there's not really a way to bre "outside" the union.
It'll also be interesting because most of us are taking care of family members and so we're not working "outside the home" and interacting with households we're not in 24/7/365. They've sent two surveys asking our opinions of the vaxx and my response both times were to tell them to fuck off with any hint of a mandate, in those exact words.
Micah 6:8 - absolutely true. Healthcare. Nursing and Assisted Living centers. Police, Fire, EMS, the trucking industry (any idea how we get the huge majority of our food and materials and even services delilvered by vehicle?). Our kids won't be able to add or subtract. They'll know absolutely nothing of our actual national or even world history. Churches are being shut down and punished. Btw: that will backfire on "them" in a big way. Thank you, Micah 6:8!
Yes, need people the cabal fears, cops, firefighters (like Capt. is link), military, etc. Just thinking out loud here: What if JSOC and SOF types come to the conclusion that this needs to end? I suspect it would not take all that big a spark for a small movement, with the right resources, to jolt an effective working-class revolt. If revolt comes, it will split along class lines.
Link: https://www.cryptogon.com/?p=62097
Where are they going to walk to? This is the problem. Let's say my school requires proof of vaccination. EIther they make a big deal of it or they do not. If they do not, some who don't want the vaccine for whatever reason can show their school nurse a faked CDC card and then the nurse says, okay, writes your name in a book, and its clear. If the nurse is a stickler, maybe she punches in the vaccine lot numbers and sees that your lot never existed, for example, and calls you out. I dunno. Lets pretend that happens. Youre fined. You quit. All neighboring schools requiring it. Do you go work at Amazon warehouses for half the pay? My bet is that Amazon will require it. It's a DNC client corporation, so why wouldn't they. Im sure we will be reading soon that WaPo requires all staffers to get vaccinated (cuz reporters without vaccines, ooh, that just looks bad for our narrative.)
This goes on not until 100% US is vaccinated, but 100% WORLD. You wait.
that is the philosophy and the attitude of a born (and about to be) serf.
this is exactly why it needs to be fought now before they get vaxxpass entrenched. it only gets harder from there.
it's also a wildly implauisble set of claims.
can you seriously think that a nation that cannot stop heroin sales, even in federal prisons and has 100's of billions in medicare fraud annually is going to be able to stop doctors from taking cash to fake vaccines?
here's $100, squirt the booster on the floor.
many will do it out of conscience.
do you really think these companies and hospitals can survive the 10-20% who quit over it and that other companies will not happily take advantage of skilled labor?
because many of us will stand on principle and seek to associate with others like us.
people will change jobs and states to escape it. and the federal mandate is not happening in the still federalist america. too many are too ready to fight, and it's a winning fight, especially economically.
this doom and gloom is a powerless and economically illiterate position.
it's the same argument that "banning X race from Y job" will hurt you economically. any time you limit your customers or employees, you disadvantage yourself vs those who do not.
someone will step in and take advantage.
the boosters killed all the credibility here. this is the end of the blitz and the beginning of the collapse.
sorry you're too cowed and beaten to see it.
your "resistance is futile, go along to get along" attitude is part of the problem.
cooperating with the vichy makes you vichy and so does telling other you cannot fight them.
you sure that's the guy you wanna be?
"someone will step in and take advantage."
This is it right here. Those rural hospitals that have a hard time recruiting? All of a sudden, they're going to be getting the best talent at bargain prices. I've already seen recruiting ads touting "no vax required". We're in a skilled labor shortage--the smart employers will be scooping up the independent thinkers!
Great news! I just heard Montana passed law banning mandatory jabs at all levels.
This has certainly happened with police departments. And teachers. One of our small local schools has gotten three new teachers from California.
I love it! I want more of this!
The problem is that nursing homes have already received govt letters and put on notice that failure to have 100% vaccinated staff they will lose medicare/medicaid funding. They did that with smoking on hospital property awhile ago (I don't like smoking anyway but it was the beginning of a slippery slope).
https://www.mcknights.com/news/breaking-its-official-nursing-homes-must-vaccinate-employees-or-lose-medicaid-medicare-funding/
These places already have problems getting caring, responsible employees. There is high demand for these skills, even the lower skilled ones. Many will find other places to work, and the quality of care in the nursing homes will decline.
Also, this right here (and the whole vaccine mandate BS) will remind everyone why we NEVER want so-called "universal healthcare".
im not that guy at all. Im just making a statement here. I hope youre right. I say you will see more people accepting the vaccination if their job is at risk. I dont think it will be 100%. but close to it. We shall see. i am not vaccinated against Covid, BTW. I had Covid. Lived.
I wonder if Vegas is making odds on who blinks first--employers or employees! We will all see together if Americans have been pushed too far this time...
It does feel a little bit bluffy. Hard for me to read where I stand with my job which I've worked for 16 years now (I'm a paralegal for a criminal law office). My boss issued an office policy mandating as a condition of ongoing employment the vaccine once it is FDA approved (which allegedly has occurred as of Monday last week, though if you read the actual letter, the claim Pfizer's drug is "FDA approved" seems more dubious).
Anywho, I related my vaccine concerns to my boss even a week before that happened, and ever since he has not only not responded to me over my request for a religious exemption, life has gone on as though the policy were never stated and I have yet to see any repercussions. We'll see how long that lasts...but push comes to shove, he'll have to fire me, and I'm not sure he wants to lose a paralegal with so many years of experience over refusal to get a vaccine while I remain, in a "pandemic", healthy as a horse, and I don't even take ivermectin as a prophylactic!
Bit of the black pill atm Kenneth? I get it. Breathe. You asked where are they going to walk to? They are going to create parallel structures. That is what is going to happen- and already is happening. That does not mean it will be sunshine and roses. There may be initial hardship and loss, but it does mean those new structures, those new relationships will be created and built on a firmer, more authentic, and life affirming foundation. Your school? If they mandate vax, then walk as my wife just did from her graduate program (she is now in a cheaper, better online program). Doing business with Amazon? Why would you support corporations that oppress you? We all have an appointment with history and things will not be as easy as they once were. We did not ask for this, but here we are. What are you going to do about it is the real question? As stated yesterday here, it is time to suit up or shut up. I will never be forced xax'ed. Ever. I am now proceeding accordingly.
That is exactly what the German/Californian attorney is talking about, parallel structures, no compromise.
And I DEFINITELY do not buy from Amazon. All should download the extension WeCultivate.US right now for Firefox, Chrome and Safari. If you're into Amazon, but want to buy US made goods, this extension will tell you automatically if the companyships from China, or is a China brand, which means it may as well be money to China. They also have a way for you to shop for products made in the USA on line. All retail consumer goods. Like clothes.
I spend way too much time trying to find non-China made products. Thank you for this.
Yes, thank you so much for this recommendation - I have a bunch of folks I will share it with!
I know, the parallel structure bit. Vaclav Havel. I don't work for a school. I work for a think tank now (ex reporter) and work from home. The problem would be requiring "papers" to travel but Im happy not traveling either. Screw em. Im ready for the Hunger Games. Bring it.
Find a community that you can trust Kenneth. Human contact and relationships are critical. You will need each other. If you can't trust someone, know that and proceed with that knowledge. Milgram's 37 is a song about the compliant, banal, useful idiots of totalitarians which is approximately 65% of humans. Then add in the current mass psychoses. Be careful. https://youtu.be/7zNwGXuLVKU
I definitely have it. Im in rural southern MA. Never was a problem here. 1 person died of Covid in the last week...in my COUNTY. Yet...school masks. Its all mandated from Boston. They think we all live on top of one another.
I am leaving New England asap.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/connecticut-allows-patients-their-doctors-local-health-officials-access-covid-19
https://www.journalinquirer.com/towns/east_hartford/mask-mandate-goes-into-effect-tonight-in-east-hartford-failure-to-wear-could-be-100/article_87bacf94-04e9-11ec-a82f-2761f957f59c.html
(the masking chart makes me want to puke)
I often take a few too many black pills, myself. It’s easy to despair. Demoralization is a tactic being employed constantly in this fraud. They want us to feel trapped, questioning our own sanity. But we’re not the crazy ones foisting dangerous and unnecessary gene therapies on the entire world.
You could use a white pill or two. This scam is so big, built on lies so paper thin, it’s a house of cards about to tumble down at any moment. As gato said, the boosters are waking many people up to the game being played. Go out and talk to some regular people. Unmasked, preferably. There are plenty of good people out there who feel like they have to whisper about the nonsensical actions forced on them by our equally incompetent and tyrannical government.
Try to take the quantum pill. It’s being in the state of both white and black pills. Yes, this is bad and there is a darkness engulfing us. There is also hope, yet. The caliber of our elites is dismal. These aren’t the brightest bulbs. The reason they are escalating force through coercion is because they are not very persuasive, at all.
The level of trust in our institutions was unnaturally high. Such blind faith and apathy got us where we are. Many people are waking up to this and at a critical mass there is no way to control that many people. Stand with us.
Excellent post.
Did you notice how Walmart is mandating vaccines for corporate but not for store workers? They cannot afford to lose one person in the stores in my area as they are very short handed as it is. There are areas of resistance all over, especially in red states. Even my local SEC university is not going to require proof of vaccines or masks at the football games when they start next week. I know it is difficult if you live where the covidiots scream the loudest; I am from California. But now living in the more rural south, it is a very different world. In the bigger cities around here, there are those who are losing their minds about kids not wearing masks in school. But out here in the country, kids haven’t worn masks to school since right after they went back to school in late spring of last year. I cannot recommend getting out of cities enough. I’m sure the pay is less but so is the cost of living and the quality of life is so much greater. There is not enough money to pay me to live in a place like California again.
We went from "every front-line worker is a HERO" to "20% of front-line workers better seek other employment" quicker than a hungry cat zooms into the kitchen when someone starts up the can opener.
The coming strain on any health system that does this will be like finding out it was only a can of green beans and not tuna. :(
The healthcare workers have to get together and practice in a new settings where these jab mandates are not allowed. But how to even go about it if all hospitals are under the big powers. The German attorney Reiner Fullmich and his committee are buying out a hospital in Germany that was closed last year (many were closed who knows why). This is for health care workers who decline the jabs. And patients are those who are vaccine injured among others. How to get this started in the USA?
Wow, that's a fantastic and uplifting piece of information. Let the dueling economies begin!
CA vote for the recalll!!’
Thanks for giving this an airing. Last year we were told Covid was so insidious in part because of asymptomatic spread. Now we know thousands of vaxxed are potential asymptomatic spreaders. I’ve been worried about the nursing home situation for exactly that reason. This is simple logic. The elderly residents don’t mount the same immune response to the vaccination so they’re highly vulnerable. The unvaxxed get sick, right, or at least more of them become symptomatic? So less likely to spread it. Yet they’re being scapegoated.
"Yet they’re being scapegoated."
Looks like they see surrogate Trump voters to me. They often bring Trump up in my experience. TDS
Yup. Many of us weren't Trump voters. I won't for any of those bastards (both parties) ever again. I am so grateful for those few Republicans standing up for our rights to bodily sovereignty.
True asymptomatic spread of respiratory viruses is not a real thing. Symptoms are caused by the virus invading cells and replicating. No symptoms means there is no replication which means there's not enough virus to spread. Any 8th grader can tell you this because it was basic knowledge until the authoritarians needed it to be real in 2020.
I don't think "asymptomatic vaccinated spread" is real, either. I think what that really means is that vaccinated people have very mild symptoms - or don't take their illness seriously - and that's why they are contagious. But a truly asymptomatic person - unvaxxed or not - cannot be contagious.
And, FWIW, Typhoid Mary was infected with a bacterial pathogen, which works differently than a respiratory virus.
The possibility that the vaxxed are more liable to be asymptomatic spreaders is a theory I think needs more explanation. I worry that it feeds the narrative that "asymptomatic drives the spread of the pandemic" which got us into this quagmire from the beginning.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/leaky-vaccines-super-spreads-and
lots of discussion here.
asymptomatic spread WAS very low.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/asymptomatic-covid-spread
the vaccines may have changed that by creating a set of carriers that can have high viral load and low symptomatic burden, so, instead of feeling ill and staying home, you feel fine and go mingle and spread.
if this proves out, it means the new surges are actually being driven BY the vaccinated.
seems to align with the data from high vaxx places. even just the accumulated resistance from prior exposure should be attenuating spread, but it's not.
this is a serious warning klaxon on the vaccines.
An important question that I have not seen addressed - will mild covid in vaxxed individuals create sterilizing immunity in that population? Or can they repeatedly contract infection? Will the virus evolve to the point that it can become a chronic parasite in the vaxxed? Qué opina de todo eso, gato?
My understanding is that in vaccinated people, their symptoms, but not viral load, are attenuated. If anyone knows better than me, pipe in and correct me, of course. :)
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/
Thank you!
the vaccinated case rate is looking about the same as unvaxxed in israel. the question is whether they are experiencing symptoms and to what extent. there, i'm less sure of the data.
According to PHE data on the Delta variant in England, the fully vaxxed are less likely to be infected, seek care, and be hospitalized...but more likely to die with infection than the unvaxxed. They are catching up with the unvaxxed wrt infections as well. I'm beginning to wonder if the jabs actually increase infection risk in the fully vaxxed.
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73,372 Fully Vaxxed Infections
183,133 Unvaxxed Infections
2.5 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed.
(3.2 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed as of August 8.)
289 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed.
334 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed in 50+ cohort.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/
One thing that I've noticed is that these mandates are always for a month or two in the future -- plenty of time to kick the can down the road when the legal challenges loom on the horizon. It's like they are trying to fake as many people as they can into getting the jab, then when they back off at the last minute they can claim there was never any actual mandate.
Another thing that I wanted to bring up that's sort of off topic -- a lot of these places have rules where you must be vaxxed or be tested weekly. Don't these rules MASSIVELY swing the 'testing' to the unvaxxed, so you'd EXPECT to see more cases there?
According to the CDC, they stopped counting cases of vaccinated people unless they become hospitalized or die, so yes, you'd absolutely expect more cases in unvaxxed.
holy crap the CDC admits to not even counting cases of vaccinated people who test positive for COVID (unless they are hospitalized or die)?? Am I understanding you right? And if so, where did you get this information?
I think it's time to strike up a conversation with our old pal % positive. He's never quite been as popular at parties as cases, deaths, and hospitalizations but he might still be languishing in the corner and nursing a red Solo cup of some nasty inscrutable substance.
But our other friend, PCR Ct value, seems not to even be at the party at all. I'm not even sure he was invited, and if he was, he's probably been ushered out the back by the hosts who are worried he might cause a big scene.
I hope and pray they stay strong and walk. If enough HCWs and teachers and other critical workers walk, it may enable the public to hear why and the truth finally comes out. There will be short term exacerbation of the pain we have endured for 18 months, but it may be all that can save us. The whole south Florida region is now 95% misinformed masked zombies..... Like micah6vs8 commented - I am speaking up more - I am considering flyers on car windows - somehow valid information needs to get out before more kids get V!
Gab has started a No Vax Mandate job board. https://trends.gab.com/item/6125500f65ab681f6213c5d4
By the way, the Pfizer shot did not get full approval, its sister product, BioNTech Comirnaty did. Pfizer still only under EUA. I hear they the BNT shots aren’t even yet in production, certainly not available. They can’t use the full FDA approval hook to force you to take the Pfizer. Use this distinction while you can. I certainly hope rumors of mass lawsuits come to fruition. The regulators have cut so many corners, they should be wide open to challenges.
Nice to see others are picking up on this nuance. Every media outlet I've read, left or right, has come out with the headline that Pfizer's vaccine has been FDA approved. Not so much...and even when they do, the FDA has a lackluster track record for approving drugs that shouldn't have been approved. AZT comes to mind in a situation I find eerily similar to this one...
https://www.spin.com/featured/aids-and-the-azt-scandal-spin-1989-feature-sins-of-omission/
Wrt nursing homes, it was thought that spread in NYC area homes was not just due to readmitting positive patients but also because contract staff float between facilities. Now that there is a vac mandate in NYC, should we expect more spread by vaxxed contractors moving more widely to fill gaps? Have not been impressed by case/hosp rate vs vax rate aeound here as it is. And who wants to sign up for semiannual Pfizer boosters while post-market surveillance is ongoing?
I want there to be crowd-funded vax-mandate unemployment insurance, so we could all support the front line people, especially health care workers, who hold the line and get fired. I would contribute to such a fund, if it existed. Employers must not be allowed to think they have ownership over the bodies of employees.
"If vaccines make it worse and create a large asymptomatic spread vector where none existed before, then vaccinating HSW’s will be a disaster. it would literally be like putting patients in with plague rats."
Have you seen this study out of Vietnam? This study is focussed on the caregivers. Not good.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733
The vaccine klaxon warning is serious indeed. But what do you make of data from UK and Israel which seem to show the representation of vaccinated and non-vaccinated in hospitalization and mortality figures roughly equal to their proportion in the population? It seems that doesn't square with vaccinated people having attenuated symptoms but equal viral load as compared to non-vaccinated.
If vaccinated people really are gaining milder symptoms by enlisting themselves as asymptomatic spreaders, that sets up a wicked prisoners dilemma scenario. And in this case, the prisoners who decide to get vaccinated to save themselves and screw the non-vaccinated will eventually get screwed themselves, when the vaccine booster treadmill they jumped on does a George Jetson on them.
Vaccine mandates as a way to stop covid are an increasingly dishonest position. The data is not good and getting worse. Are people protected well in the short-term? Yes, that seems so. Beyond 6mo the numbers get worse in an accelerating fashion. The data is there in plain sight. Particularly with the Pfizer vaccine.
Give them another booster. Sure. How about another after that? And then what?
And the vaxed that get sick and blame the unvaxxed are completely dishonest. Why are you vaccinated? To prevent covid. Oh, then why are you mad at the unvaxxed? B/c they should have acted as sheep and gotten the vaccine without questioning it. So, they shouldn't question the vaccine you took that didn't work? Okay, that makes sense.
I agree with all that you said, but I'm asking a specific question. You gave an answer to that, but I'd like to know what the basis is for it. I'm asking if the vaccines are indeed protective against severe disease, even temporarily so. If so, then people have a "prisoners dilemma" motivation to get vaccinated, even though that's not in everyone's interest in the long run.
But the larger point is that I don't understand how this assertion that vaccines protect against severe disease squares with data from Israel and UK which show hospitalizations and deaths distributed between vaccinated and non-vaccinated cohorts pretty close to their relative proportions in the population. This seems contrary to the idea that the vaccines provide protection against severe disease. Maybe there are confounding factors (e.g. more vulnerable people in the vaccinated cohort), but it seems unlikely this would result in equivalent ratios as we see.
Some data out of the UK shows that if you get COVID, you are less likely to die if you are vaxxed and over 50. People under 50 with COVID were MORE likely to die if vaxxed (although deaths under 50 were rare in either case).
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012401/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
the only data I have seen that is very compelling is from Israel where, you are correct, breakthrough infections are also making people seriously ill and they are dying. It seems to me, and others may refute this with good data, that illness burden increases at a certain rate but only mild illness initially. Over time, serious illness rates increase as well - it just lags as immunity is strongest the first few months.
First, there is primarily mild breakthrough infection and then, as the veil of protection diminishes further, severe breatkthrough increases. That is my take.
Candace Owens just said: https://t.me/CandaceOwens/2023
"To be clear— employees of the United States government and employees of the CDC and FDA are not required to get the vaccine but they want you to be required to get it."
Is that true you think? Seems so, so they are "making life difficult" instead. lol. Two can play that game and I say, game on!
A bunch of state employees have vax mandates.
I find that hard to believe.
this wouldn't surprise me in the least. Congress exempted themselves from Obamacare which was forced onto the rest of us. It seems pretty clear at this point that these mandates are not about health. The CDC, FDA and other government types probably know, or at least suspect, the reasons for the insane drive toward global "vaccinations" and would want to avoid whatever fate awaits the masses who've been fooled into compliance.
De Blasio exempted "performers" and celebrities from his NYC vax mandates...
Exactly!
This suggests it's true, simply because if he could, he would have: https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-joe-biden-business-health-travel-a1670ffa08f1f2eab42c675d99f1d9ad
It seems a mismash of unrestricted private employers, military rules and union contracts.
"Larry Cosme, President of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, which represents 30,000 federal officers and agents, said in a statement while the organization supports the vaccine it opposes compelling it.
“Forcing people to undertake a medical procedure is not the American way and is a clear civil rights violation no matter how proponents may seek to justify it,” he said.
This is INTERESTING! Sign a form? Sure, I'd sign a form.
"Federal workers will be required to sign forms attesting they’ve been vaccinated against the coronavirus or else comply with new rules on mandatory masking, weekly testing, distancing and more."
"But fewer than 10% of employers have said they intend to require all employees to be vaccinated, based on periodic surveys by the research firm Gartner."
"US President Joe Biden announced a new measure on Thursday requiring all federal workers and on-site contractors to verify that they received the COVID-19 vaccine. Unvaccinated federal employees will face mandatory masking, weekly testing, and travel restrictions."
https://www.jurist.org/news/2021/08/biden-announces-new-vaccination-requirements-for-federal-workers/
Okay, so they will make things difficult for the unvaxxed but you will not lose your job. Can't say that for the hospital systems. If they cut me loose (the walls are quickly closing in...) b/c I refuse to vaccinate after having already had covid I will walk away. For the foreseeable future I can set up a cash business doing house calls on covid patients. No vaccinated physicians without natural immunity will want to do that, but I am fine with it. Demand should not be a problem.... Will find something else after that.
Don't require me to get something I don't need. That is just plain stupid.
We've already had the discussion and will walk away. Unfortunately, not everyone is in a position to do this. The coercion is evil.
Did you see the grandstanding in Florida of vaxxed doctors walking out, saying they would not treat the unvaxed? Parallel economy - BRING IT ON! Btw, America’s Frontline Doctors may need someone like you as they are doing virtual visits and seem to be overwhelmed. People want to be treated prophylactically or symptomatically with therapeutics and I’ve read that doctors have been ordered not to use some drugs.
They are entitled to their opinions and I understand their frustrations. However, we all do take the Hippocratic oath. People do all sorts of stupid things and make lots of bad decisions. And sometimes make good decisions and still wind up in medical jeopardy. I would counter that no physician I know would refuse to treat an AIDs patient b/c of their diagnosis or means of acquiring the illness. Same with any STD. How about a motorcycle rider that suffers a serious accident? Heart or COPD patient that keeps smoking? Severe flu case in the ICU but patient chose to not be vaccinated? Refuse to take medication for all of the above and so many other illnesses?
Screw them, those schmucks should have known better!
Seriously? This is what it has come to?!
It is unacceptable to refuse treatment because of behavior and a violation of the oath taken by physicians. And even worse to pick and choose for which behavior we are going to refuse treatment. I emphatically disagree with the behavior of those physicians.
I hate to invoke the "slippery slope" argument, but that mindset inevitably goes full eugenics.
I've read that event was misrepresented. MSNBC lied...shocker. The docs met before work to advocate for masks and jabs...and then went to work. Anyone who would walk out on a critical care patient should be fired and prosecuted.
Thanks for clarifying that.
Oh, and I agree with the parallel economy comment. How about businesses that are willing to buck the system and refuse to comply with mandates? Would love to see it.
I have two "primary" physicians - one pro-mRNA vax, one not. The one with a fully mRNA vaxxed office is afraid of seeing *any* patients in person - virtual only.
Your proposed business model is sound.
Does you PCP realized that the CDC Director admitted to Wolf Blitzer...in early August...that the jabs don't stop infection with or transmission of the Delta variant and that the fully vaxxed and unvaxxed have similar viral loads?
https://rumble.com/vku759-cdc-director-covid-vaccines-do-not-prevent-transmission-of-covid.html
They're not pushing a 3rd dose because the 1st and 2nd worked too well. But don't worry...Walensky doesn't have data to support the booster...but she has hope.
https://www.today.com/health/cdc-director-explains-why-covid-19-booster-needed-today-t228695
supposedly, dod will order service members to get the shot.
about 40% are reported to have not volunteered for the no data jab.
in the closing years of vietnam 'war' i was stateside. we had a few troops decide the bible said you do not need a haircut or shave..... a series of orders, refusals and so forth the paperwork was done to discharge the literal readers of leviticus.
until the leviticans decided the colonel should let a new member of the religion out on the same action....
ooops, a courts martial and 6 + months in the stockade!
imagine 50k cases like this over making money for pfizer!
among the defenses will be nuremberg!
I am a seasoned RN with almost-complete clinical grad degree and decades of gritty nursing experience in the trenches. I worked frontline 2019-2020 and my hospital cheered me and my coworkers as “essential” and “heroes.” Then suddenly I became expendable for “non compliance” despite decades of successful flu shot declinations. Why could I decline the flu shot and work unmasked for years, but not the new shot? This fall I walked away from my RN career, my pension and grad school over the mandates because it violates the moral and medical ethics I have followed for my entire career. No way in hell am I going to comply with tyranny or risk my health with an experimental, irreversible, gene therapy based, non-sterilizing injection from Big pHARMa for a disease with a 98+% survival rate. I am pissed as hell and I have nothing to lose. My cattitude gets bigger and badder and more non-compliant each day.