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John Carter's avatar

Back in 2020 a colleague exclaimed to me that wearing a mask was "not a big ask!"

If I could go back in time, knowing what I know now, I'd retort that demanding that we wear them for hours of every day for TWO YEARS is, in fact, a very big ask.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

Its a farce that adults are forced to wear masks to prevent a virus. Its a criminal tragedy that children were...

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John Carter's avatar

And what does it say that the same teachers demanding that they be allowed to groom kids with critical gender queer race theory are the loudest voices demanding that they be allowed to continue damaging childrens brains with CO2?

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

These people are truly beyond sick.

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LJ's avatar

They breathed too much of their own exhale (meant physically, morally and spiritually) .

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Art Vandelay's avatar

Amen, John. It really is mind boggling that none of these decisions/policies Is ever about what is best for the kids. I am disgusted western medicine & our education system

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Rikard's avatar

That removing the old system where we were more than babysitters with student loans was a bad idea?

Show me a woke-tard who can endure and complete the five years I spent at university, back when you got kicked out if you flunked your exams too much or too many times or at all in some cases (Sociology first semester f.e., the exam was for 75% of the entire semester so failing it meant you hadn't done your work).

So instead of dilligent, dutiful and knowledgable teachers with a strong professional ethic disassociated from private views and with personal integrity, you get semi-literate overgrown (in both senses) hysterical girls who can barely string together a complete sentence, can only teach by the book and what's in the book, and who lack real knowledge of their subject: automata, repeating what's been poured in their ear.

Their "male" counterparts the vegan-before-it-was-mainstream soy-toys are even worse.

A real teacher is someone you can wake 03:30 and yell "Compare and contrast the themes of Richardson's 'Pamela' with the ones in Cleland's 'Fanny Hill', and juxtapose those in a cultural analysis with de Sade's 'Eugenie'!" and immediately get a lecture delivered.

Chalk screeching on blackboard, that's my reveille!

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TAM's avatar

Well, as a teacher's daughter, I would say that parents and students play a BIG role in driving the good ones out of the system. I never even once thought about following in my parents' footsteps after seeing how the system demoralized them. I remember one incident in particular. My father taught high school earth science and for the section on mining he brought in some photos he took on one of our family vacations where we visited the open pit iron mines in Minnesota. A couple of these pictures showed us kids next to one of the monster mining trucks to show size. SOMEONE complained and said Dad was using class time to show "home movies". That was the LAST time Dad ever went out of his way to bring a little extra to the class. From that time on until retirement he taught strictly from the book and only from the book.

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Rob D's avatar

Such a shame. I was so fortunate to have gone to government school when teachers were "allowed" to and encouraged to use things outside the box to enhance our interest in subjects and help us learn to think. It hurts my heart to hear stories like yours. It might be oversimplifying the issue to say this, but "government ruins *everything* it touches...

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TAM's avatar

This was a student or group of students that complained. It had nothing to do with the government and everything to do with society's attitudes towards education or at least a certain segment of society. There is a culture of disrespect towards teachers and school in general. What this means is that teachers like my Dad had the unenviable job of trying to get students interested in a subject that nobody outside the school building really gave a damn about and had very little relevance to their lives. Students are there not because they want to learn but because the law said they have to be there or else. Hmm, does that sound familiar?

Some years ago the daughter of one of my neighbors who had just graduated from high school asked me why it was necessary to study history. I started out with the canned speech I'd heard all my life, no doubt you've heard a variation of it yourself, and then I stopped, looked around at this girl's surroundings, her family, and her life. There was never going to be any college or career in her future. So what I said next shocked her. I said, "For you, studying history was an utter waste of your time in high school that could have been better spent on other things. You will never use it. Or any of the other things that they wanted you to learn." Her eyes opened wide. Now, disclaimer, I am a history buff--BUT when it comes right down to it, that is not what puts food on my table and a roof over my head. What did put food on my table and a roof over my head was a typing class I took in high school. Not any of the other subjects I studied--and I was on a college prep track. Knowing how to type meant I wasn't stuck washing dishes or doing other menial unskilled work. So I stand by what I said to my neighbor's daughter.

There is a story about a group of colonists on the East Coast and a band of Native Americans who decided to swap places. Each would send two of their young men to the other group to see who had the better education. The two English youths went to the Natives and in due time learned how to hunt, fish, and otherwise survive in the New World. The two Native youths went to England and received a classical education. When they returned home, the tribal leaders said that they were cheated and that these young men were ruined for tribal life. They did not know how to do anything of use to their people. I often think about these two young men, how lonely their lives must have been afterwards. Because they could no longer relate to their society. They couldn't share the things they'd learned. No one was interested. No one gave a damn.

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KHP's avatar

"<i>t had nothing to do with the government</i>"

Of course it does. If this had happened in Rob D's day, or mine, the official government people (a.k.a. school principal) would have absolutely backed up the teacher.

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The Wiltster's avatar

Both my parents were teachers. My Dad taught 7th and 8th grade life and earth science for 30+ years. He is the reason I decided to become a scientist. By the time he retired, over two decades ago, he felt "the system" was completely FOS. It has only gotten worse since then.

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charlie's avatar

I finished my bachelor's less than 10 years ago and it was still the case you could easily flunk out (more than half of my cohort did in first year), exams were worth 90% of the total grade etc. However, this is just not the case for EDUCATION degrees and this is a big part of the problem. They have been notoriously easy for decades.

But don't worry, teachers won't be able to teach from books for long, because new school curricula are trying to bring an end to all that literacy. You can just play videos instead of lessons after all.

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KHP's avatar

You write as if that were somehow a contradiction...? On the one hand: we wanna harm kids... on the other: we wanna harm kids.

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Grandma Bear's avatar

They still are here in NYC, and the truly criminal part is that it is the youngest ones who are still mandated. Mayor Adams is reserving himself a very toasty room in hell.

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pobrecollie's avatar

were? We still need them on public transport in Spain. Lots of people still wearing them outdoors. This country is lost.

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┬бAndrew the Great!'s avatar

And it was virtually never an ask; it was a demand. It was an "...or else."

It was and is tyranny.

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Raptor's avatar

Strangely, there are some of a certain political party that believe our democratic system is a synonym for mob rule. Mob rule, where the easily manipulated mob decides that they will "vote" with their loudness and then their suggestions and then their demands and then their cries of wishing for your death if you are opposed to the mob is tyranny. When you tell them so they "circle back" and scream "It is democracy! We live in America!" Sheesh.

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Rob D's avatar

And, of course, this same mob will throw a tantrum, burn, loot and murder if they don't get their way and those not part of this very small number of mob members are told to sit down and shut up because, after all, the mob is just "blowing off a little bit of steam".

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Raptor's avatar

He won't remember. Short term memory is the second to go after a year or more of oxygen deprivation. Tell him that. And when he asks "what is first?" cringe and let your eyes fall southward.

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Vxi7's avatar

exactly the same logic like with vaccines:

if your [whatever] protects you. Why do I have to impose [whatever] on myself to protect you?

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John Carter's avatar

"My magic protective talisman provides amazing protection, which is why you have to use one to, because if you don't mine won't work."

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The Wiltster's avatar

The talismanic nature of many (all?) the NPIs is worthy of several papers! Our species loves talismans though, and superstition as well.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

Logic's got nothing to do with it, comrade! Unless you want communism. Then, yes, its totally logical.

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Anna T's avatar

So my federal Department of Defense agency is requiring everyone who works in their buildings in a certain county to WEAR MASKS AGAIN, starting today, because the CDC claims the county is now at "medium." The county itself isn't posting levels anymore. WTH?

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