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Your ability to prolifically write such timely, quality, creative, off-the-cuff posts never ceases to amaze me. Thank you for using your talent, humor, and kind heart toward good.

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With respect to trusting yourself, I'm not sure that is good enough. I think people need to continually question and truly understand more. There are lots of people who simply trusted their gut, and chose wrong for themselves and their children.

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I would've "trusted myself" to get an mRNA vaccine in Spring 2021 if I hadn't gotten COVID before eligible. The only reason I *originally* held off on the jab was because I knew natural immunity was good for several months. My thoughts are obviously different now, but I'm glad providence overrode my usual self-trust.

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Divine intervention!

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My gut led me in a straight line to the right decisions, we before we had data.

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Your gut, as with most of us, was likely formed by continually questioning and truly understanding the nature of our institutions and their corruption. I only needed two data points to skew me away from the jabs:

1) FDA has been corrupt for my entire life (cancer, cigarettes, treatments over health, anything better than a placebo gets priority over natural remedies, blocking of unpatentable natural remedies, on and on).

2) Read the report on the last mRNA vaccine study at UTMB in Galveston (TX) from 2012. In it, they stated they halted the trial due to safety issues and stated any later human trials had to be done cautiously with enhanced safety monitoring because of the problems that have been inherent in EVERY ANIMAL TRIAL OF A MRNA VACCINE EVER.

What were the safety signals? 50% of all trial participants (animals) got ICU-equivalent sick upon exposure to the live virus being "protected" against, and 10% of those died.

It wasn't rocket science if you spent your whole life questioning and learning.

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It is an easy rule of thumb to do the opposite of what the letter bureaucracies are pushing.

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THIS!!

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It has taken this "crisis" (of faith, of hope, and yes, of charity) to jar me out of an every day, all-day "sleep." As the ordinary things of life get more difficult to obtain, to work with, to count on, more and more people are gonna come out of the daze too -- out of the sheer necessity of questioning, finally, the way things have worked. I mean, not worked.

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Great comment…

Thank you!

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I looked @ what they were forcing on us - arbitrary 6’ “distancing”, masks, playing eenie-meenie-miny-mo w/ which businesses were & were not “essential” & forcing closure of the losers of that game, destroying childrens’ education & social development, & then of course forcing the jabs w/ ZERO short or long term studies, informed consent or bodily autonomy, deliberately tanking economies - & all I could think was WTF, I knew it was because nothing like this had EVER been done & that made it obviously nefarious & evil. And there was no way in hell I’d comply

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Two of my docs pushed the vaccine and booster shots. Like parrots told what to tell their patients. They downplayed Ivermectin and HCQ on instructions from the government, CDC and others. I could sense the pressure being put on them to toe the party line. Watch in a few years when a bunch of retiring doctors start leaking how the government threatened them.

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That sure won’t make them heroes that late. IDK what I would do in the situation; I would like to think I would not abandon my oath to do no harm but I’ll never know since I’m not a doctor. My doctor told me to take it too, when it 1st came out. I politely told him my reasons why I wouldn’t & he said he had other patients who felt as I did & he didn’t push it. But I don’t think I’ll go back. Frankly don’t trust them or the medical field in general anymore

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In several states, the docs got their livelihood threatened by threats to revoke their license. To suddenly lose your whole lifestyle and financial security is more than a lot of people can accept. When one of mine asked if I wanted the booster and I declined, he never brought it up again. He didn't argue or push it. I am guessing the protocol mandated that they have to at least ask and it goes on your chart so Medicaid/Medicare can audit to make sure you have complied and offered it to all your patients,

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I would never ever go back to them. They are not ever to be trusted again. They are hacks for pharma.

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Sep 8, 2022·edited Sep 8, 2022

They f'ing suspended the pandemic to enable the social justice riots of 2020, where roving bands of youth were running around torching cities and at times shooting and lynching people.

PH officials in NYC and SFO asked people to go to China Town to celebrate Chinese new year because of Trump's "Chinavirus" comment

All and sundry kneeling before rioting black thugs a.k.a BLM in the middle of the pandemic

That did it for me. I knew we were in the middle of a mass formation event - even before I heard about mass formation.

WTF would I jab myself with experimental vaccines from the same bastards? It was an easy decision.

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Fully agree, Nick. There were even a bunch of “doctors” who signed some sort of proclamation that “racism” was a public health “emergency” that justified breaking the WuFlu “rules” the rest of us were forced into. All of it, including ongoing masking in some places & coercing the “new” jab always was, but continues to be, more & more absurd. Almost by purpose & design because the elites don’t seem to care how unhinged it all is (& looks)

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Sep 8, 2022·edited Sep 9, 2022

Exactly, I remember that. It was the pivotal moment for me.

I remember looking around the at the people at work (SFO, California) - over zoom meetings - they were all going on as if everything was just all right and that the authorities were doing their best, while I was screaming inside. I eventually quit the company I was working for and took a break for 6 months, before I got another job. Then came the vaccine mandate scare. I resisted that until the SCOTUS ruled against that, and my employer relented and let me continue to be employed, if I "work from home". Oh goody then!

I am still with the same employer, where my quadruple jabbed diabetic manager is always sick and absent. May be I will end up replacing him. LOL (sorry)

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And don't see grandma but get out in the streets because George Floyd

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Yes. Common sense and instinct tells us that some one poking a needle into our body with some substance that we don't know what it is is suspicious. In addition, when Covid first appeared on the scene, back in 2019, common sense told me it was only the flu.

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Even more suspicious is when the simple and very reasonable question of "Before I let anyone inject me I want to know what is in the needle" is met with a barrage of slurs and insults for even asking the question.

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Yes. They don't reason; just emotionally react negatively.

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As a chemist working in a support capacity for an OTC pharmaceutical QC lab, I am perennially amazed at the lack of interest (ability?) of degreed "scientists" to logically work their way through even simple problems.

I've also known many "uneducated" people that were never fooled for an instant and saw the covid scam for what it was very early.

I can only conclude that credulous rubes abound because being otherwise requires too much effort for many. Intellectual laziness is a choice. Talking to them as anything other than a "credentialed expert" almost never bears fruit. Let them reap the consequences of their own actions.

Hard reality is often the only effective instructor.

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Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn at no other. Ben Franklin

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I don't think I've encountered that quote before. I think I'll update my Teams profile at work with it. Thank you =)

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That's why it's called The SCHOOL of hard knocks

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I see the same things. Lots of friends work in bology research, yet barely any of them questioned the narrative. A fair few of my friends who work in outdoor sports called out the bullshit.

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i got scammed @ all the scary propaganda seizure & death videos out of China early 2020 so definitely have some error checking in play, people with what I thought at the time integrity convinced me to ditch cost/benefit in fear of "human ruin"

oops, thanks protesters for the wakeup 🙏

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Praying for all, especially the innocent and misled. I'm so sorry. I joined the Peoples Convoy whenever possible and proud to be part of the fringe. I hope it helped someone somewhere.

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I myself spent February glued to my computer screen, and felt as if I knew those truckers personally. Having a daughter, son-in-law and young family in Toronto (adamantly anti-vax) made it the more poignant.

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I have many close relatives in multiple provinces while I live in the U.S. as a dual citizen. Here's a pic of my vigil when all of this was going on, especially when Parliament was voting on "emergency" measures. https://leemuller.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-dr-byram-bridle

With most recent events as of yesterday, it's not looking good. But, it's probably been in place - the planning - for decades and now is more of the implementation phase.

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Thanks, Lee. Yes, I had forgotten Dr. Bridle--although at one time his was a loud voice in my mind. Thank you for reminding me.

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Me too. But I'm not boosted and never will be. I did have a questioning mind, and kept reading and researching. I am a skeptic about everything now.

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Agree. I suspect our wise el g meant that in trusting yourself, we need first to be well informed. For key decisions, trusting one's gut / conscience means that it is to be an informed conscience / gut: questioning, examining, studying, discussing, listening, praying (and praying some more) until the heart, mind and gut agree

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Sometimes we have to make decisions with only the “blink,” though. Right from the start of Covid madness, the authorities and then our neighbors were pushing things that were intuitively wrong, and I had to make a decision about what, in myself, to trust. Like knowing the masks were tools for neurological programming, whether the authorities realized it or not, and that to wear them was to accept those as the debate terms. I think the gut leads. *Then* we get informed.

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Sep 7, 2022·edited Sep 7, 2022

Yes! I recall too, the immediate gut feeling of "offness" of it all. Then, I really honed in on the concrete examples of absurdity. Noting also that it seemed as though so many of the authority figures and the msm seemed like they were acting. It just felt "fake". Subsequently, the observations built up so much, confirming my gut. It felt like a relief! People in my home were on the "other planet". One does not ignore the gut feelings when they know they've served them so well repeatedly through life. Yet again....and again...

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I remember saying to a friend who was all in on Covid, in March of 2020, “I don’t know what this is, but I know we’re being played.”

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I can relate- but the "in on Covid one" was my dad and I recall stating I had a feeling there was going to be a rude awakening. I also recall right after Biden was elected- seeing something playing on TV and he was sitting side stage and I felt such a foreboding. I remember saying that something was off- he doesn't look right. A real sense of doom- like he was drugged or had a stroke. I know it is quite obvious something is off with him, nowadays, but this was even before all that was well known. And he was just elected,.

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Yes I agree. I think so many of us in the beginning of this, (I'm not sure what to call it, SCAM, BIOWEAPON, GREAT RESET?) whatever you want to call it. Many had just trusted or medical authorities and government. We didn't research. Sadly I got one Pfizer before I did my due diligence. I'm sooo happy I found el Gato and all you guys on these many substacks. It brings me great comfort and knowledge! Kudos to all you!!!🥰😘

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Glad you stopped the shots! I had trusted medical authorities years ago, as I was raised to. But what really got me waking up was when the h1n1 flu virus and shot made appearance. I had been reading up on the topic and things didn't make sense. I began refusing the flu shots at work ( huge hospital system) and it seemed odd to me no one else I knew had any concerns. Everything seemed so exaggerated. I then began scrutinizing other hospital practices and they just seemed off. I attribute my increasing awareness to my kids growing and I had more time on my hands to research such things. I then also felt some of the odd mannerisms I'd noticed in my sons over the years may very well have been signs of toxicity of vax's. I'm sure to this day my eldest is on the spectrum, but just under radar, functioning, etc. Unusual quirkiness things ...not typical. (I do have education on the topic of special Ed.)

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Yes--the acting. Gov. Tom Wolf, may he rest in ........, caught on video putting on his mask and remarking that it was all theater. And saying this (if I recall correctly) to the totally theatrical State Surgeon General Richard Levine (oops--Rachel. or Richel. or Cousin It.) One thing I credit Biden with--he relieved us in PA of that horror, and it has hardly been heard from since.

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Unfortunately, what's in the gut is different for each person. All depends on what you are feeding yourself most recently. Lots of people trusted their gut by believing this proposed "science" was a gift of God and others trusted their gut by taking a "leap of faith". It takes full-out heart, mind, body and soul and constant reflection to have navigated the past 2.5 years unscathed. Not saying that it required a lot of work, but just using all parts of oneself to uncover the truth. Where there was inconsistency, disjointedness, illogic needed to be reflected on. Those that did not bother and still do not bother, put themselves and their families at risk.

Stay strong. We need the control group. Without it, there can be no comparison to help those that were lied to and coerced. https://leemuller.substack.com/p/my-message-today-is-simple-the-control

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Learning to distinguish between intuition and programmed response is the challenge. I think people *aren’t* following their gut so much as their conditioning, and that’s when they get led astray. Knowing what is really speaking inside yourself is a long practice.

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Interesting point. As I read (Mercola esp.), and also recognize my own past physical experience, about the way in which the stomach and brain interact (connive?) instantaneously, I think that 'trusting your gut' is no longer a fool's tool.

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As I see it, it's a survival mechanism, indeed. The indigenous people and our ancestors knew this. We have grown out of practice using so many other resources. We have access to more than we realize.

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I agree, continual questioning, keen observation, noting patterns and inconsistencies....

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Yes! The inconsistencies and people talking nonsense and out of two sides of their mouth. It's pure garbage. I cannot understand how the average person can accept this as truth. Loss of standards, logic, quality of meaning, and sticking to a stance instead of switching to appeal to all, to win their vote, win their support, win their compliance. It's baffling.

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easy first pass heuristic:

the side of censorship is never the side of science.

any group seeking to silence its opposition rather than engage with it should be treated with intense circumspection.

try back-testing that on covid.

i'll bet it would have helped us dodge 90% of what was thrown at us.

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Exactly. I'm not inclined to take shots in the first place, but the open censorship of "misinformation" that commenced, unprecedented, almost immediately after the shutdown, is what drove home to me the utter dishonesty of the Covid scaremongers, and confirmed to me that we should never trust them in anything they were trying to push onto us.

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Yes, same here, I remember when the censorship started and it was a big red flag for me. I tried to tell everyone but they thought I was crazy. I still can't convince hardly anyone. Crazy!

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Perversely, it was the censorship that helped push me to be more suspect of the motives of the people that were pushing the censorship. Why on earth would people want to silence others that were asking what appeared to be perfectly legitimate questions? As their intensity to censor increased, it only reinforced my inclination to resist what they were pushing.

It served me well.

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Nothing 'perverse' about it; that is the normal behavior of a critically-thinking person. The problem is that they know that the vast majority of people are not critical, so they don't care if the minority are onto them.

There was censorship going on before the first lockdowns, and I was suspicious from the start, but there was nothing to do about it. I think I can tell instinctively after over 60 yrs of life experience if someone is sincerely trying to help me or has some other motive, and I was right in this case.

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Even when people explained they were being silenced, most people didn't care. I told many people and they didn't care. Some think I should be silenced because I disrupt their happy ignorance is bliss life. I have tried nearly every day this year to say something. If people don't get it by the end of this year, for me, I'm almost feeling you are on your own. I tried.

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I agree wholeheartedly! I recall early on with the mask "advisement", initially stating it was to prevent spreading of illness to others. Then come the jabs and some places only requiring the unvaxxed to wear them...I remember even Rochelle W. stating at that time it was to protect the unvaxxed as the vaxxed we're now protected. I noticed the reversal on mask purposes and then felt....no, it is to create division and make it obvious to all who had been jabbed. "Here's my medical history, world! You can probably assume if I'm left or right now too!" It seemed no one was onto it, that I spoke with. To them, I was"paranoid ". I'm glad I stood unwavering. 🙏👍😅

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And now, the mask serves only to proclaim to the world who is living in fear. This is why last weekend I began a personal campaign of offering a prayer for every mask-wearer I encounter.

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Awesome idea!

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There were some good early indicators:

The results of the infections aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship

The fact that years of failing to produce safe mRNA shots had suddenly (and coincidentally) been solved

The blanket immunity demanded by the vax producers

The reverse-ferret by the WHO about the efficacy of lockdowns...

It's a longer list and I've written it before.

I would add that having recently watched the exposé series 'Dopesick' had also convinced me about the motives behind FDA and CDC pronouncements. I was so disbelieving of what I'd learned that I did some online checking. That did it for me.

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Yeah. I originally trusted Birx. WHAT was I thinking?

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I must be the biggest cynic on the planet. I trusted none of them even before day one.

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I don’t think there’s anything cynical about not trusting liars. I don’t see myself as cynical at all. I love knowing they lie. It’s just what they do.

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The "trust government officials" part of my brain is down-regulated.

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What she said 👍

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What Lee said.

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“it turns out that the ability to keep one’s head when all others around them are losing theirs is basically a superpower.” Now I know I have superpower. I saw the ridiculousness from the beginning and was aghast at how people became sheep. Not vaxed and never plan to. Now that includes the annual flu shot. No more.

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The first thing I said in March 2020 was: "People have way to much respect for authority." MLK and Gandi among many others taught and modeled the importance of civil disobedience when facing unjust law.

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I don’t trust any of the vaccines being produced these days. I am not against vaccines, got some when I was a child, including smallpox. No more.

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That’s where I am with it too. I have lost complete trust in the healthcare system and the governing bodies that keep these systems in check.

And I question the mental fortitude of anyone who hasn’t grown increasingly skeptical over the last couple of years.

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Before COVID appeared, the medical profession lost its credibility for me with the transsexual mutilations, including small children. Where were all the normal doctors then to point out that this was wanton destruction of healthy bodily organs for some dubious "psychological" benefit? I still go to doctors if necessary, but trust is not even an option.

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Matt Walsh calls our time "the age of cowardice" which seems right on the money. It explains everything; the willingness to embrace absurd ideas out of fear, keeping one's head down so as not be attacked by the bullies, spouting obvious BS rather than appearing contradictory, authority figures demanding people wear masks or get vaxxed so they can't be blamed for outbreaks (even if they do not help), etc. It even explains the jersey-switching as people are too cowardly to admit they made a mistake.

IMO many people saw the truth but were too fearful to say it out loud and went along with the nonsense. There are three groups:

1) those who saw through it and did not comply

2) those who saw through it but complied out of fear of being ostracized (many in power and medicine)

3) those who did not see through it and complied out of general fear

Group 2 are grade A scumbags who should never again be trusted, group 3 are just run-of-the-mill cowards.

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Group 3 are fools but also victims. Their mistake is trusting group 2 and to the extent they supported mandates, they are guilty of overconfidence.

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But NEVER forget that a great many of group 2 and 3, were very happy to throw us all into the furnace.

Some may deserve our sympathy.

A great many deserve our condemnation.

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A few deserve worse than mere condemnation...

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That phrase stuck out for me too. I still am aghast at how almost everyone I knew tossed all their critical thinking skills in the trash and ignored all the studies, experiments, and real science about immunity from the last 100 years. "Shake your f-ing heads people!!" - is a phrase often on my mind these last two years.

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Agreed. I’m stunned that no one in my friend group had any questions at all. Just blindly followed recommendations. And one friend cut all ties with me because I questioned what officials were saying and looking for data myself. Thanks Gato!

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Nor the pneumonia nor the shingles. None. Maybe possibly tetanus--but I think you cannot even get that on its own? (only as DPT)

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Midwestern Doctor (substack highly recommended) says there are other ways to deal with tetanus than vaccine. And yes, only offered as DPT.

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Thank you! I will follow up on that! I have recently heard 'diseases can be dealt with, vaccines cannot'. My 'lifestyle choices' do tend to put me into the tetanus-possible not all that infrequently. And I'm only 72, so I have lots of years ahead for getting into trouble.. Man, I am so grateful for these blog comment threads. So many new friends and so generous with information!

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Since the annual flu shot is mooted to be via mRNA jabs in future, that is a consistent decision you've made. I concur.

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With the current incentives, an expert is someone who may or may not be competent in his field, but is *guaranteed* to be good at navigating institutional politics and culture. That often means having no qualms about lying to further a goal.

Entrenchment, not merit, is currently the defining feature of Experts.

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I'd say it's time for Merriam Webster to update their definition of expert to someone who is "good at navigating institutional politics and culture".

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I've always been a researcher and a questioner, which has served me well from the beginning of this whole thing. Long ago I learned about so-called "experts" and how most of them are decidedly NOT experts. I've seen too many times when I "test question" someone with knowledge I solidly possess myself, just to see what they say. I have been amazed at how many BS'ers there are who rattle off erroneous information with great authority and confidence, yet they are entirely wrong. I saw this in full flown operation from very early on in Covid. So very many "experts" didn't know what the heck they were talking about.

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The way they've been going, it's probably more likely to be "a fount of holy truth, pure and incontrovertible."

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I am pretty sure that this describes a public school superintendent, principal, assistant principal.

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I think it describes any position where executive appointment or tenure is a factor in holding it.

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2014 Fauci: returning Ebola health workers shouldn’t face “draconian” quarantine. EBOLA. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna234141

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Wow!!

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What they are doing is totally shocking. What is just as shocking is that 50% of the public thinks nothing crazy is going on!

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The psychological toll on those of us that Know is abundant. Preparing to go out to work or socialize is like another job. I feel like an actor now. Ex-nurse acting as a waitress in sci-fi B movie

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Absolutely. I have a family wedding to endure later this month ... of six sibs, three have vocally excoriated, ostracized, snubbed and belittled me, the crazy old bird who wouldn't get the "vax." I like being the crazy old bird.

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I would concur with your assessment of percent of the public still under the spell. I have Yahoo mail and I get their headlines every day when I check my inbox. They're about as leftwing as it gets. Just in the last couple of months, they've been allowing comments again on their posts. The ones pertaining to the vaccines have a comment section that runs about 60% anti- to 40% pro-.

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Very interesting. Didn't know this about Yahoo either. Wonder if--given its political slant--its commenters are almost all post-jab-anti's

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Did you watch Freddie Sayers' Unherd with the young Aussie girl who was imprisoned in the 'quarantine' facilities --because she had lied to authorities about having taken the jab? Yes it is a different universe. Well you know, the it's the Antipodes because the people down there stand upside down. anti -podes

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Really? Only 50%?

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70 percent by my reckoning

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mouse booster™

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8 Dead Mouse booster™

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With a name like that, "it doesn't make sense not to use it"

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im sure cats will love it

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Lol! You reminded me of the SNL parody of Smuckers--- With a name like dead baby seals it has to be good!

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Taking out the Mickey 🤔

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happily in the case of a certain woke Floridian mouse that gives out medals to nazis

https://20thcenturyray.substack.com/p/unthinkable-a-few-years-a-go?r=14o3q9&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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This isn't so much about allowing OAS into the debate, but much more about OAS being a marketing tool for the "updated" shots.

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I’m afraid you are correct. And that really sucks.

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Exactly. Fauci said as much yesterday.

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"The last shot we gave you wrecked your immune system. But this one will fix it."

Come to think of it, that's basically Big Pharma's total business plan.

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Pharma: we never want to kill you, but we never want to cure you.

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So said the dealerman to the junkie.

“I’m sorry, I lied to you before, but THIS time, I’m telling the truth. Scout’s honour!”

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Aesop had something to say about that, didn't he?

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Was waiting for a comment like this. Yup. As we did in the beginning of this shitshow, we need to keep asking "so, what purpose is it serving to all of a sudden be admitting this/talking about this?" This is not just a "oh, finally, the truth surfaces" moment.

Limited hangout, if you ask me.

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Yes. Their game has become SO blatantly obvious! That I'm thankful for.

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I don't know my Milgram from my Asch, or my Asch from left base. But I am smart enough not to trust the government. Don't need to go to college to learn that!

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You have clearly earned a post-doctoral degree in good sense!

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Checking it out--interesting here [https://kelseym51.weebly.com/uploads/9/7/1/8/9718462/asch_and_milgram.pdf]

"Why did so many of the participants in this experiment perform a seemingly sadistic act

on the instruction of an authority figure? According to Milgram, there are a number of situational

factors that can explain such high levels of obedience:

The physical presence of an authority figure dramatically increased compliance. [Fauci, Biden]

The fact that the study was sponsored by Yale (a trusted and authoritative academic [CDC, NIH]

institution) led many participants to believe that the experiment must be safe.

The selection of teacher and learner status seemed random.

Participants assumed that the experimenter was a competent expert. [Fauci, all doctors]

The shocks were said to be painful, not dangerous "[Safe and effective?]

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Going on three years now and the entire time has been like playing poker at a table full of drunks.

Another great essay, El Gato.

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It was ADE/OAS that informed my decision NOT to take the jabs back in the fall of 2020, and it wasn't a particularly difficult decision to make. This was well before adverse events began to be reported, which reinforced that decision, but didn't actually inform it.

I distinctly remember how it went too. Someone else asked the question: "What about ADE?" The response: "Oh ADE won't be a factor because we're only encoding for the spike protein!'. "Or really?" I thought..."and you know that will work, HOW EXACTLY??"

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Yep. Into the control group we go.

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Sep 7, 2022·edited Sep 7, 2022

Excellent article. Yes, the OAS and the flu have been well studied since the 60's. Everyone with ANY education in immunology knows that influenza vaccines only work if a.) you have the right one and b.) the recipient has never experienced natural infection, nor prior immunization. And yet, for countless years, Public Health has pushed flu vaccines as if none of them had been to medical school. No one should be surprised that they are still doing it. In fact, the best thing that could come out of this Covid hysteria is getting rid of Public Health and decrying routine vaccination with all but those vaccines that actually have a positive risk benefit analysis.

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'the recipient has never experienced natural infection, nor prior immunization'

Really? I consider myself fairly well-read for a civilian, but I had never heard of this. If it's that well recognized, how could they possibly be pushing annual flu shots? It seems like that would be beyond the pale even for public health.

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Sep 7, 2022·edited Sep 7, 2022

I assume you are being a troll. The whole of today's essay was on OAS, also known as the Hoskin's Effect or Immune Imprinting. It means that influenza vaccine does not now, nor ever has, worked on people with pre-existing exposure, and Public Health has been ignoring this truth, supported by 70 years of history, to make you get a useless vaccine with no upside for the entire of your life. Usually they recommend it with a comment

like...."it isn't perfect, but it's the best protection we have", while completely ignoring all risks.

http://perspectivesinmedicine.cshlp.org/content/11/5/a038786.full

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Sep 7, 2022·edited Sep 7, 2022

Wow, I did not mean to come across as trollish. Sorry for my poor choice of wording. Actually I'm anything but. When I said "Really?" I was mostly wondering whether this is well-recognized or one of those things that's open to disagreement. I stopped getting the flu shots years ago, but for different reasons.

Thanks for the link.

The question about public health was partly tongue-in-cheek.

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Tardigrade is not a troll. Far from it.

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I appreciate your questioning. I can definitely understand Point a.), but Point b.) is vague in that it doesn't state whether the recipient has never, ever experienced a natural flu in their entire life, or just for that particular season. Same with the immunization...only works for the very first and one and only time, or just for the first time that season? But why would anyone ever get two influenza vaccines per year? So, perhaps both of us have never really heard of nor understood Point b.) before and we are oddballs. You don't sound like a troll to me, though (but I could be wrong :))

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Never ever. People immune imprint on the first exposure. You can even date people in their old age by assessing which flu virus they imprinted on. Revaccinating only leads to recalling the original antibodies, which are ineffective and can actually lead to ADE.

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Thanks, Ann. Would you happen to have any knowledge as to whether or not this repetitive intake of influenza injections throughout a person's lifetime could also lead to autoimmune illnesses, possibly? And are you saying that someone who is an expert in this field could probably figure out how old an elderly individual is by assessing which flu virus had imprinted on that person...how would the expert know which specific flu virus...through looking at blood work? I apologize if these questions are coming across as terribly basic, but I don't know a lot about immunology. I, too, stay away from the yearly flu vaccines due to a variety of reasons, but a big one is that I've heard that the manufacturers are always one step behind with the guesswork of which flu virus to put into the formulation to make them the most effective at preventing illness in people for any one year.

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It has been done. We know which influenza viruses passed through since the 1930's based on antigenic profiles since the discovery of OAS. One is usually exposed within the first decade of life and forever after recall the same antibodies as pre-dominated in that decade. Interestingly, I read somewhere that influenza tends to cycle its dominant antigens over about the average lifetime of a human...in other words, it tends to produce new escape variants until everyone is dead who has immunity to the first one, and then goes back to the originals. I don't know if this is true and I can't remember where I read it, but it sounds good. Maybe someone here has some info on it. In Canada, I believe we usually use the variants from Australia's prior season.

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Sep 7, 2022·edited Sep 7, 2022

Now that, I *have* read.

The statement that surprised me was that everybody knows that the flu shot is worthless unless you've never had the flu or a prior vaccine. Which, let me hasten to add, doesn't mean I'm pooh-poohing it.

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Thank you. It was kind of a shock to be accused of being a troll. My comment was probably poorly worded, but it was an honest question.

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Your comment was quite clear and I fully empathized upon reading it. In fact, you captured my immediate reaction as well having received several annual flu shots myself at doctor insistence prior to the current nightmare (never again). You also handled the troll accusation with poise. Thanks.

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No boosters, no flu or shingles jab ever again. There are certainly "good" vaccines out there. I rate the smallpox, polio and dpt among them. My grandparents lost their firstborn son to diphtheria at age 5. I am sure that they would have appreciated that vaccine if it had been available, so I am no anti-vaxxer but the government in collusion with various other Stasi like politicians and bureaucrats has damaged this country beyond belief.

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My great-grandmother lost her third child (b. ~1885?) to diphtheria. But as someone has pointed out, the rise of vaccines coincides (temporally) with a rise in public/personal sanitation/ hygiene.

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while we are at it can someone explain why they have to cull millions of birds every time there's a bird flu outbreak? if it was so bad wouldnt we find millions of dead pigeons and sparrows at the base of every tree?

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It's just one method to create the chaos/food shortage TPTB require...

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To be fair, domestic fowl are kept in abysmal conditions, crowded and unclean, that may be more conducive to disease spread. Even worse than flocks of pigeons or sparrows experience.

Unspoken is the fact that wholesale massacre of wild birds would be met with a lot more resistance than slaughter of captive birds, which gives the appearance of Doing Something.

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The Audubon Society, the Sierra Club might speak.

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That is a really good point. Unless those avian flu outbreaks ONLY affect CAFO chickens.

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What about those of us without a scientific background who did our research and concluded for many reasons that the mRNA injections were suspect as to efficacy and safety? We just got lucky? We were right for the wrong reasons? Or maybe we learned enough such that any rational informed person could arrive at the correction conclusion. If I'm handing out accolades, they go to the smart readers without PhDs in life sciences.

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Well said. I majored in Biology, was a Psyops officer in Vietnam, then went to medical school, then to speciality training to become A board-certified neurologist, now retired. But the only thing that kept me from getting the vaccine was the fact that I knew what messenger RNA does in the human body. Common sense, which many of you vaccine deniers used, was just as correct as my intensive scientific training. I tried to tell them that messenger RNA is a genetic message Carrier from the nucleus into the cytoplasm ribosomes to make proteins. I was not about to put my elderly body through getting a genetic vaccine that had not been tested for at least 8 to 10 years. I applaud those who stood up against the establishment. I firmly believe that those people lost their jobs, possession, incomes and so forth by refusing the vaccines should be able to sue and be heavily compensated for their losses. I also believe the doctors Fauci and other perpetrators of this assault on our freedoms have their freedom and their incomes taken from them.

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Agree. One of the most vile injustices in the history of America.

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Would love your perspective on neurological impacts of vaccines. Not just Covid. I thought many passed the blood brain barrier and with the inclusion of metal toxins, put a significant burden on the immune system and neurological system. AD an outcome of too many lifelong jabs? Just curious. Thx

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Thanks from a Latin teacher--but doing Latin makes you look critically at the use of language.

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How about risk vs. benefit? Easy decision for me.

Additionally I thought the responsible thing to do was be a firewall for the truly vulnerable.

That seemed pragmatic to me.

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It was literally the only thing you could do to actually stop the spread -- and the only thing Karen refused to do. (But we're the selfish ones)

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At first, I was waiting to see what happened with the gene therapy. Shortly after rollout saw in real time what patients experienced. Only stopped 3 friends from getting it.😖

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There were many of us, who reached sound conclusions, relying on our education, experience, and our intangibles. My education was in mathematics, geodesy, statistical evaluation and critical thinking. Civil Engineering, and testing systems for what worked, and what broke.

When the early data starting coming out, that the vast majority of deaths were the elderly with co-morbidities, my attention was aroused, my BS meter went off the scale. The outright widespread, full court press by the media and “experts”, destroying long term, safe drugs like HCQ and Ivermectin as potential therapies, was the final straw. The suppression of Vitamin D and other immune system enablers just added to the misinformation by MSM and corrupt governments.

There was no way I was taking any of those clot shots, statistically, getting Covid was the least dangerous option to take!

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I’m sure you’re already familiar with this 2009 WHO report on “Pandemic Influenza Preparedness & Response” (https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/44123/9789241547680_eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y), but for those who aren’t, it advises against every public health policy they pushed for COVID, as I note in this question from “A Mostly Peaceful Depopulation” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/a-mostly-peaceful-depopulation):

• “Why are they instituting policies the WHO previously warned against—from lockdowns to masking to disinfection to border closures—because they are known to cause mass-scale harm, poverty, and even death?”

Also, I forgot to alert people to the Easter egg I included for bad cattitude readers in “50 Reasons to Give Your Child the COVID Shot” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/50-reasons-to-give-your-child-the):

• “38) You trust the government more than the million or so scientists, physicians, researchers, whistleblowers, data analysts, statisticians, cats, and other knowledgeable individuals risking their careers, grant monies, reputations, and quiet lives to expose corruption, harm, and the lethal consequences of the experimental injections.”

The links are missing, but I’m sure you can guess which one links to el gato 😸

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Thanks, MAA! 50 Reasons was brilliant - and #38 was the icing on the cake.

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It is very hard to understand. I never got vaccinated. I brought up that they never had a successful vaccine for the flu or a coronavirus. The issue seemed to be that they evolve or mutate too fast. It was never described how the new mRNA vaccine would fix this. Everything they described about how it worked seemed to be clear that it wouldn't. Part of the response to my objections from the pro vaccine crowd seemed to be if the unvax isolated or were quarantined and they could vaccinate everybody on the planet in a short amount of time the virus couldn't mutate in time and would be completely eliminated. This is of course ridiculous. There are nearly 7 billion people in the world.

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Didn't the test ferrets die from all previous efforts to create a corona vax? "Scientists can't even find a cure for the common cold"....

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As I understand it, they have never had a successful vaccine for any coronavirus, human or veterinary, despite years of trying. There have been many failures, however.

Unfortunately, the ability to manufacture an emergency by declaring a pandemic, combined with the shiny new object of mRNA, was the perfect opportunity to force this on an unsuspecting populace.

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Sep 7, 2022·edited Sep 7, 2022

I just wanna scream whenever MSM tells me "what you need to know" !! Shove it! Criminals!

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It's more of a "What we want you to think...." Aargh!

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