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kibalchich's avatar

Just commented on your friday article re lockdown impacts - behind on my reading! It would be interesting to look at cancer screenings and health backlogs by nation. Instinctively you would have expected the negative impact of lockdowns to hit later, if they really are hitting mortality rates already, that does not bode well for the next few years.

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Natalie's avatar

The Indiana insurance company data shows 40% increase in mortality amongst young and middle-aged people. Wouldn't lockdown consequences and pandemic stress affect the older population at least as much, maybe more?

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Quality BS Detector's avatar

Remember that 2020 cleared out a tremendous amount of "dry tinder" among the frail elderly in nursing homes and senior housing. This group was fairly large (which made it look like a lot of excess deaths) because 2017-2019 had declining rates of death--call them "excess lives" or "lucky survivors," it doesn't matter, no one gets out of the Dance of Life except one way, eventually--2020 was an inventory clearing year.

The 12 Sigma event reported by Indiana (40% jump in working age deaths) is something completely different, and completely horrible. As for counting sigmas if you can expect 5,000/10,000,000 (0.05%) of the working age population to kick off each year and 4,990 or 5010 die, that's just a rounding error; go 10% each way and you are looking at some sort of, maybe 2 or 3 sigma event. Go 40% (7,000) dead and you are in the once in 500,000,000 years or so happening due to chance.

So, this wasn't chance or run of the mill. Think more like war, invasion, gulag style numbers.

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Jlbcreation65's avatar

I'm confused. Are we now saying that the vaccines are not causing an increase in all cause mortality despite we what the U.S. insurance companies are showing?

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Quality BS Detector's avatar

This is an interesting question and at this point mostly we are just feeling our way in the dark. All causes deaths means, of course, deaths from all causes. What could be the actual causes of a rise in all cause deaths in the 2nd year of a (USA) disastrous plan to control a basically uncontrollable virus:

1. Deaths of despair: generalized higher deaths due to rapid increase in depression and all sorts of social pathology--drug overdoses, domestic violence, suicides

2. Undetected and untreated diseases due to crap medical management of our universe and generalized fear of hospitals etc (heart disease, stroke, cancers, diabetes etc)>

3. Higher incidents of blood disorders caused by but, as an autopsy matter, not directly linked to, the jab (because no coroner can find traces of mRNA in a blood clot to the brain or heart or corporeal arteries)--myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, aneurysm, generalized clotting disorders in the eyes, lungs and reproductive organs

4. VAERS type (but increased by an appropriate modifier) of deaths>

If you seek to lay it all at the feet of the vaxx then I think you will be shortcounting by a factor. This disastrous overall policy has severe knock-on effects (elementary school suicide ideation and suicides) which we will be dealing with for 30 years. Seriously. We are treating boomer and millennial terror of disease and dying by transferring the effects to the innocent babies--worst thing is lots of the "transferors" are woke parents of young children.

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kibalchich's avatar

It might be different in the US with private health care delivery. Europe has to varying degrees a social system for delivery and in most states that just ground to a halt in 2020. In the UK its still almost impossible to see a doctor. You get a phone call.

Late treatment and mis diagnosis are I suspect serious problems and may well effect health outcomes more profoundly in middle aged people than the elderly.

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