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I will add that Sweden doesn't have a populace with nearly 50% adults obese and nearly 1 in 3 with prediabetes and millions more with actual diabetes. We took in unvetted and unvaxxed millions across the southern border, and when Texas was with hospitals full of delta COVID last summer, it was the Mexicans crossing over to see Tia and then heading to the hospital sick with the WuFlu. Americans are fatter and sicker, and thus more susceptible to all cause mortality at an earlier and more complicated death. However, we were lied to about all aspects of this virus, lies about the mortality, lies about the morbidity, lies about age, even gender stratification. Not to mention the whole "sit at home and do nothing if you feel sick and don't come to ER until your lips are blue" with zero acceptance of outpatient treatment. Pure unbridled canceling, board complaints, and license revocations for those doctors that dared speak up. I will never forget when the beaches and parks were closed in "free state" Florida because...being outside getting exercise was going to spread the virus. I thank God DeSantis realized the error of his ways and listened to other viewpoints to open up the state, but it could have gone the way of Ohio. The whole thing is nauseating.

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"I will add that Sweden doesn't have a populace with nearly 50% adults obese and nearly 1 in 3 with prediabetes and millions more with actual diabetes."

if we're going to insist on having them, this seems a fine goal for public health agencies.

imagine if the US has devoted the time and resources it spend on phony NPI's, zoom class, masking, vaxxing, and terrifying kids and instead spent it teaching nutrition, exercise, and basic concepts of personal fitness and health instead.

what it we stopped showing them pictures of obese people and telling them "this is healthy" and actually taught them how to be healthy?

obesity is the number one health issue in america by a landslide.

yet we do nothing but enable it.

bizarre.

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Can you imagine if the same full frontal push of the state had been employed similarly to combat obesity and metabolic syndrome? vouchers for gyms? the return of physical education to all K-12? subsidized lettuce or broccoli instead of corn syrup? it still drives me insane that every convenience store in the South has a big sign "EBT ACCEPTED HERE" for soda, Twinkies, chips and anything with corn syrup.

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Don’t forget stress. Number one cause of disease. But you’re correct, couple stress with all the comorbidities that public health looks the other way, and you’ve got a cocktail of massive policy failure, now two generations running and only gaining speed.

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It would be "failure" if we assumed, in the first place, that the purpose of the policies was public health.

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Rather than being surprised by destructive social phenomena, thinking they're "bizarre", we must turn the lens and ask, "How is this exactly as intended?"

All along we've been misled, "How depressing that these things spontaneously emerge." But the answer lies in asking, "Who has been promoting these phenomena, and why?"

The answer is not short-term greed. It is very long-term power hunger. If you want the entire world to submit to you, the first thing you require is that people let go of their personal power, and voluntarily give it away.

This requires "educating" people that health is not a mindset and a lifestyle (from the inside), it must come from pills and injections without which you are helpless (from the outside).

If you want to set up the population for culling, you might want to convince them there's nothing they can do about getting fat, that vitamins are a scam, that solutions for their weight and health must come from the pharmaceutical industry.

That way, when the time is ripe, they will be obese, vitamin-deficient, and anxious for whatever injections you might provide, as they've been fully persuaded that the solutions to their problems are not in their own grasp.

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America teaching nutrition would be brought to you by Monsanto and Kelloggs...just as it has been

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And all the weight loss programs that ultimately don’t work as far as keeping weight off.

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Incase anyone was still confused about whether health was the main goal needs to go to this guys instagram and watch this https://www.instagram.com/p/CYhzUdGvJHd/

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You bad fat shamer, you. I like Lizzo as do many, but worry about her heath. I am advised my concerns are trolling https://www.huffpost.com/entry/concern-trolling-lizzo-health-weight_l_611d8650e4b0caf7ce2c8a17. I doubt the larger people have her work ethic.

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I vividly remember the stupid articles with the computer simulation screencaps showing how "dangerous" jogging, running is when other people were around and may end up in your Covid viral cloud. 😳🙄

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Yes because viral load in open spaces must be at least one in a zillion cubic metres of air.

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Ohio was far from the worst. Though not as good of a response as DeSantis, it certainly wasn't as bad as most other states. I lived near the local park system during the initial stage and there were tons of people on the trails walking/hiking/biking/doing something. It was great to see

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People were out on the trail here too. BUT if the state could have stopped it, they would have because although they are conservative, they also mind the globalists. They took nets down on sport courts. Tennis, pickleball, basketball... all of them. I can't tell you how many times people screamed at me to put on a mask while walking on a trail by my house. It was very hard not to be mean to them.

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That’s unfortunate. Yes I saw some playgrounds roped off but was never once confronted for not wearing a mask anywhere

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Count yourself lucky. It was only old people and I live in a 55+ with lots of CA transplants. They got a little hysterical.

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‘… 1 in 3 with prediabetes …’

By definition everyone without diabetes is pre-diabetic. It is not a disease. A disease has to have symptoms. Whilst diabetes has symptoms, not having diabetes cannot. Pre-diabetes is an invention to justify the various parasitical prodnoses telling people how they should live their lives, and it makes more money for doctors and pharmaceutical companies.

Another example of this is gluten intolerance. This is associated with celiac disease. This is easily diagnosed, easily treated and rare - It affects about 1% of population. Yet gluten-free foods are a multi billion £ market and in the UK the level of sales of gluten free products would require that ten time more have celiac disease than actually do. But not to worry. A new ‘disease’ has been identified - ‘Non-celiac disease gluten intolerance.. Like non-diabetic diabetes, I suppose.

Much is being made about obesity being a high risk factor with SARS CoV 2, maybe so, but it should be no higher a risk factor than for other respiratory diseases, bacterial infections and other diseases. And define ‘obesity’.

Paradoxically, if obesity is the big killer it is alleged, why is it that despite the ‘obesity crisis’, life expectancy has increased and keeps increasing?

Medicine is a multi-trillion $ market - always best to remember that it has more to do with money than people’s health. Snake-oil selling has a long history.

Please don’t think I am being cynical.

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No, pre-diabetes is another term for chronic hyperinsulinemia. It's the point where your body is naturally producing high amounts of insulin to counter the elevated blood glucose caused by cells becoming more insulin resistant, but it's doing a good enough job that blood sugar readings look within the 'normal' range. If doctors routinely checked insulin levels, rather than blood glucose, it would be detected a lot sooner, and more interventions could take place, which might prevent full blown diabetes mellitis developing.

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many doctors do this, as well as glycosylated hemoglobin (HgbAIC) which gives earlier detection and better guidance. the issue is that patients will not give their fast food drug. and the lockdowns only exacerbated the problems, with skyrocketing obesity in children and zero physical activity.

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That is hypoglycaemic diabetes. It can have multiple causes. Pre-diabetes (also caused borderline diabetes) supposedly is elevated blood sugar but not high enough to cause problems - in other words no symptoms.

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Well if there are no symptoms, everything is just fine! Nice medieval approach to medical well being. Let's not do mammograms to address breast cancer in its early stages when it is curable, or hypertension, or any other disease that produces no symptoms until it's simply too late. I have read the highest mortality from breast cancer in Europe exists in the UK due to an overwhelmed and chronically understaffed NHS. Ever heard of the silent killer? By the time diabetes whether type I or 2 produces symptoms such as neuropathy, blindness, excessive urination and thirst with concomitant renal failure, patients are near death. The course of insulin resistance --type 2 DM--is that it begins silently and people feel great and happy eating all the pasta and cake, and being overweight leads to the minor annoyances of joint pains, fatigue, sleep apnea, and not to mention the huffing and puffing going up a flight of stairs. The strain on the cardiovascular system causes its own toll.

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Well, you are clearly on the test band wagon. I get my screenings so not against. But, like most things, there are multiple sides. The whole mammo/ DCIS issue is currently debated. Bone hardening drugs not so hot for all. Etc.

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The definition of disease is presence of symptoms. You cannot treat symptoms that do not exist. Medieval approach is to treatment based on assumptions, often fatal.

As for screening: the question is how many people do you have to screen to save one life and at what cost? Could the money spent on screening thousands to save just one life, be better spent treating evident disease in others and saving more lives? And what cost in money and to those who are false positive, and in the case of breast screening, have radical surgery where none is needed?

And how about this: more men die with prostate cancer than from it because it is slow to develop and metastasise, and since prostate cancer us an old man’s disease, they usually die of some other non-related disease first. What value screening?

Humans are not evolved to live much past reproductive age. Most diseases are diseases of old age - diabetes, cancers, dementia, cardiovascular diseases, for example.

The problem for heath care is this.

You cannot stop old age and the diseases that come with it. When I was growing up, people just died from most of the diseases people now survive because of medical intervention.

If Jones is saved from disease X, she lives to get disease Y, and if she survives that she gets disease Y at which point along comes ‘flu, gastroenteritis, bacterial infection or CoVid to finish her off. And whilst Jones is being treated for X, Y, Z and finally languishing for weeks/months on a ward, much younger Smith cannot get his treatment for a less complex disease on time because resources are finite.

Too few people understand that and it’s about time they did.

‘… due to an overwhelmed and chronically understaffed NHS.‘

Because of what I said above, that is only ever going to get worse as advances in medical intervention take place. Certainly with a State health system it is impossible on the grounds of cost to have sufficient built in redundancy to serve all comers on demand. All resources are scarce and have to be rationed somehow, either by price or quotas or waiting. Time people in the UK understood that too.

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I live on Planet elsewhere. Life expectancy in the US is adversely affected by the propensity for young men to shoot each other dead and an influx of impoverished people in poor health with high infant mortality. But nevertheless In Europe with the same alleged obesity crisis, life expectancy is increasing. The USA is not the whole Planet.

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Not so much violence as the disease of despair - addiction. Thinking there is an easy path to happiness enjoying friends. Aided and abetted by the entire War on Drugs complex with synthetics from China to meet demand.

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Japan has zero guns, yet their suicide rate is higher than America's suicide and homicide rates combined.

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Please, a terrible analogy. Japanese culture respects suicide as a remedy for abject shame. No other culture I believe has such a culture. Suicide is an honorable way to conclude impossible or embarrassing situations. High school students failing admission to higher education commit suicide so as to not dishonor parents who sacrificed to provide funding for school.

And they do have guns very heavily regulated.

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I didn’t claim it was increasing in the US, I said it was in Europe. Nor did I say obesity was the only cause of a slight drop in life expectancy - males - in the USA.

Degenerative diseases: a broad group and certainly Europeans suffer the same ones as Americans, as to comparative incidence, I don’t have the data, do you?

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What NPR meant was that the covid JAB reduced life expectancy. They just have an... editing problem. In the head.

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Actually the overweight category and obesity for Sweden has had a rapid rise in the last decade. It is only about 5% behind Los Angeles County

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LA is hardly the example to hold up for the vast USA. Talk to me after you've been thru the hinterlands of Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama and even Florida--people don't walk, they waddle. I have never seen this level of obesity anywhere in Europe. The Bible belt is also known as the Stroke/Cardiac belt

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Plus don't they heavily encourage the old and infirm to take an "Off" button pill? Or is that Norway? Or is it both? Got to hold the line on med expense when that is more than half of your paycheck going towards it. Kill yourself... as a last act of incredible benevolence. We will make a plaque with your name and date of sacrifice on it!

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I believe you're thinking of the Netherlands. Ian McEwan's novel "Amsterdam" employs the plot device of a euthanasia pact used to hide a double murder.

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I like Ian McEwan's novels. Haven't read that one though. But I am not surprised by the Netherlands. I did end up looking it up since my memory is not what it used to be (clearly). You can add Belgium and Switzerland to the "off them if they become too troublesome or burdensome" countries.

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They being the Swedes.

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Oh dear, those unvaxxed hoards invading across the southern border. So you think the vaxxines work then?

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The vaccines clearly diminshed the severity of delta in those who were vaccinated. Is it a leaky vaccine? Yes. Is it perfect? No. But Mexico did nothing on this front and their mortality was very great. Young people with no comorbidities ended up with ARDS and dead by the scores. The point is that extra undocumented population skewed the data for Texas falsely and led to quite the showdown with the masking and the lockdowns last year.

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Clearly? Please provide some data to support.

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there are reams of data on the mortality of vax vs unvax for delta. look it up.

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It's not yet clear what the truth is on this. Remember they lied about everything else. There are potential confounders here. Eg, a great many frail elderly and chemo patients cannot tolerate the vaccine, yet die "with covid" and hence are counted.

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Uh huh. School is still out on this and most covid conclusions IMHO despite your reams

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Considering it's not a vaccine but an experimental gene therapy, we're several zip codes away from "perfect".

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