Yes. It's a strategy; when these talking points (narrative) "spontaneously" emerge from thin air, and is immediately everywhere at the same time, you can bet its orchestrated.
It's not a coincidence; it's planned and exist to simply manufacture consent.
They strive to create a 1st impression. No matter how often the lie is shown to be such, how many people will not see the retractions, denials, and receipts, or choose not to believe them because of their own political bias. For crying out loud people are still believing the original Russia hoax, the pee pee tapes (of which there was no tape), and Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation. An of course by Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman.
I truly despise the media in ways hard to fathom. They effectively run a racketeering system to threaten politicians. It's nearly impossible to be an effective politician and discuss hard ideas unless your income is guaranteed independent of an institution. Liars in the media will attack your family and income long before they attack the political policy.
@Swabbie- really and truly: Substack needs a laughing emoji. I'm going to use this the next time someone says they're voting for EmbHarris and Nobalz Walz.
Wife and I went to a dinner party with old friends, who are all liberal democrats. (As we used to be ourselves, way back when we met these friends.)
At this dinner party, all they could do was hurl insults against Trump, and Vance, and RFKjr. Not a single mention of what policies they favored or opposed, or why. Just "he's weird" and "we've got to stop fascism" and "they're going to burn books" and of course the inevitable references to Handmaid's Tale.
I think using the term "NPC" for people is demeaning and obnoxious. But I couldn't help it; "NPC" kept popping into my head, and I didn't like that it did. They're otherwise interesting people, they can talk about books and art and music. But politically, nothing. They formed their opinions when they were in their teens and twenties, and froze right there.
They seemed somewhat bewildered that we didn't joyfully join in on the Two-Minute Hate sessions. We went home afterwards pretty sad about them, and I'm sure they're wondering what happened to us. They probably think that Putin's mind-rays turned us into MAGA-bots.
I know 1, ONE!, person that thinks like I do in my town. Every other, single, person is a dumbocrap zombie. ALL OF THEM! One friend said, specifically, that they would NOT do any research on their own, and I was asking about RFK, Jr.! I asked another one why (!) they would vote for a communist. They said, "What's that?" They're 75 years old! I can't take it anymore!
I've looked at this problem from every angle I could. All I could come up with is, either you are able to conceive that the media lies about anything and everything and has done for decades, or you are not.
There is so much contradiction and agenda-driven garbage out there, that to trust the Narrative, you have to swat away and ignore all criticism. It can only come from Bad People, and to be a Good Person means you must hate those Bad People and shout them down.
Once you can admit to yourself that the media lie about anything and everything, one is free to weigh all evidence, not immediately trusting even that which seems to accord with your worldview, and assigning less weight to inputs which seem motivated by monetary gain or the will to power.
It will be a smaller task to find what the media ever tells the unvarnished truth about.
Re: shouting them down. I think they like that. It is what they do when they can't defend their point. Better to meme them, laugh at them, say things like "who did you allocate to do your thinking for you." And if you can bring the receipts - show links to the real stories. They will dismiss you and go away. But they go away frustrated because they didn't win. It is also good to remember that you are likely talking to a larger audience than that person, so you may be reaching others.
"like an implanted mental tic", best explanation I've heard in a while!! With your permissio, I shall use this expression early and often to describe people that can't think for themselves.
While more and more people are coming to understand this, the media seems to be doubling down on the strategy. Control over the major outlets makes them think they also control what we think. However, by definition, only half the population is stupid, and a lot of them are actually teachable, able to grasp the Truth when presented with it. Thus, it is imperative to Speak The Truth at every opportunity, fearlessly. Yes, cornered rats can be dangerous, but they can also be stomped on. The harder, the better.
Absolutely glorious to see. The media are rats that chew at the fibers of civilization, and most people don't even use them or listen to them any more.
They are doubling down for sure. I can't tell if they just can't believe that the techniques that used to work so well are failing; or if they know they're failing, but aren't clever enough to refine and improve those techniques, so they are hoping that doing the same old thing harder and faster just might work after all.
The media takes advantage of this to spread lies so fast that by the time you formulate an argument against them... you can't fight their lies if they spew them out fast enough. The best method to deal with this is to add more friction to media narratives and render them irrelevant through floods of meaningless media.
Why don't we outlaw the drugs causing people to go on psychotic breaks resulting in mass violence like school shootings? Then you won't even have to worry about them in the first place.
In 1953, in fourth grade, the the government of the day put a bounty on gophers. The next day there were dozens of .22's leaning against the walls of rural elementary school classrooms. And teachers, most of whom were still sane in that prehistoric era, used the bounty as a teaching opportunity.
For example: "Freddy, if Johnny never misses, (class erupts in laughter - Johnny is a notoriously poor shot!), how much money can he make with 1 box of bullets"?
Or, "Suzy, the bounty on gopher tails is a nickel - 5 cents. Bullets for Johnnie's .22 are sold in boxes of 50. For 50 cents. If Johnny buys 1 box of .22 shorts, how many gophers does he have to shoot to break even?"
In a town where I used to work, kids would get out of classes, go to the truck for an orange vest and a shotgun, then head to the woods for partridge hunting.
SSRIs were introduced in Dec 1987. School shootings went up astronomically right after. There was a decline in the mid 90s. Columbine was 1999.
The early 1980s saw only a few multi-victim school shootings. ... From the late 1980s to the early 1990s the United States saw a sharp increase in gun and gun violence in the schools.
January 17, 1989 Cleveland School massacre of Stockton, California where 5 school children were killed and 29 wounded by a single gunman firing over 100 rounds into a schoolyard from an AK-47
1992-1993 (44 Homicides and 55 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1993-1994 (42 Homicides and 51 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
Also hugely important imo ... lead. Specifically lead in gasoline. And with more evidence about chemtrails coming out ... and the heavy metals in them ... it seems to me a logical theory that toxins in our environment are involved in mental as well as physical health.
"She found that the reduction in environmental lead exposure during the late 1970s and early 1980s caused substantial declines in violent crime in the 1990s. In a subsequent paper using the same empirical strategy and data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, Reyes found that lead exposure also increased self-reports of antisocial and risky behaviors among children and teenagers." 👇
I had posted too that unrestrained Cannabis use in Canada (legal since 2018) has been leading to previously unseen levels of emergency hospital care for psychosis in youth.
There are many "potheads" who never enter psychosis. But that does not mean it isn't a problem for a significant number. It is indeed. One of the reasons Troodo legalized it in Canada in 2018 was because of its destructive properties in a large enough number. It is on the list of lockstep measures to be used by Neo-Marxist politicians to assist in flattening their societies. True to form, the numbers of ER hospital admissions for youth Cannabis-psychosis in Canada shot up as of 2018.
If SSRIs are the culprit (or one of them), doctors prescribing these drugs should be held culpable for any violence which occurs. Just like parents who buy the guns and ignore signs of mental distress in their children.
But of course, if the higher-ups want this violence, such a law will not go through.
In the cases of all the teens going off the rails (in the UK too...but they use knives there), it could be due to drugs, it could be due to personality breakdown/indoctrination through the internet and social groups, or it could be both.
Yes. Lots of confounders. Modern human life has changed so much so fast that it would be difficult to isolate. Declining religious believe, fractured families, micro-plastics, endocrine disruptors, lack of sleep, lack of sunshine, etc... We evolved for different conditions. So many technological things that we thought would be good for society aren't good in the long run.
I don't think it was pushed purposely. We evolved in an environment where energy dense food was scarce and it took our ancestors a great deal of exercise to hunt or grow it. As agriculture started and long before anyone knew about genes farmers figured out how to breed plants and animals to increase their energy density. Higher sugar content / more fat was the result. Plus adding sugar and fat to things like grains and vegetables increased their energy density and tasted fantastic! Then when the industrial age started there was a need to feed factory workers. Automation reduced the amount of manual labor to do anything. The demand for shelf stable products drove the development of food additives. I doubt anyone had any idea of the long term health effects of all this. Now being over weight and the resulting poor health is a bigger problem than hunger. Eating less and exercising more is difficult with a brain that is wired to consume energy and conserve energy expenditure.
Thanks for your reply, Alan. I wasn't thinking of only unhealthy food/exercise choices, but choices in taking drugs or not, in frequent TV watching, in using Smartphones glued to the hand all day, in addictions of all sorts, and on and on. Modern life is full of potential bad choices.
In terms of the food-exercise though, there was a very distinct move post WWII towards supermarkets with a great deal of highly processed and highly packaged and highly advertised foods. Versus the small local grocer selling basic foods in minimal packaging before that. The big food corporations like Kraft and Kellog and Coca-Cola were beginning to appear and to gain power. I don't think that was a coincidence.
Americans wanted convenience and as little preparation time as possible. Supermarkets operate on much lower margins than local grocery stores because of their volume and you can get greater selection than any mom-pop-shop ever could. Produce, meat, dairy, bake good (eventually pharmacy) all in one place at a lower cost. You had to drive farther, but gas was cheap and so were cars.
I agree that personal responsibility is at an all-time low. However, these school shooters do end up dead themselves or in prison. Still has not been a deterrent. There are obviously one or more other strong factors involved.
Contrary to what many people believe, Marijuana/Cannabis can have a psychotic effect on some people. Especially adolescents. Known also as a trigger for Schizophrenia in those who have this propensity (and who knows until it hits?).
The ERs in Canadian hospitals have seen large numbers of youth with psychotic breaks due to Marijuana since Troodo legalized the stuff in 2018.
And spend time loving them, helping them and understanding them. Marginalizing mentally deranged and love deprived kids, will likely send them to big pharma. With lame excuses, the whole society justifies avoiding the children that need the most attention.
This right here is the question a lot more ppl should be asking! Aaand so far the answer is the global stronghold industry of the big pharma cartel doesn’t want to die (and funds both media and political campaigns) - I still believe we can bring awareness to this but we got quite a fight ahead. I’m with it tho. 🙏
It's a bizarre interpretation of Vance's comments. I get that people like to play "gotcha", but how far gone do you have to be to actually believe he would "shrug" something like this off?
On the other hand, the Left obviously has internalized all kinds of horrors as facts of life (castrating kids, drug addicts occupying public spaces, abjectly failing public schools, rampant STDs, migrant rapists, etc., etc., etc.). Maybe it's actually plausible to them someone could shrug this off.
Those folks believing the lies don’t get their information anywhere else. They’re conditioned to believe that MSM is the True Word, and anything else is untruth, lies, and more lies by disgruntled bad actors. In the last several months I’ve sent Substack authors’ links to numerous people and have been told by a couple I’m reading propaganda 😆. However, several have dived in and are making me proud.
The Left wants to believe that's what he said so they do. All while feigning sympathy for the shooting victims while not blinking an eye at all the other atrocities you listed.
Keep in mind confirmation bias. No republican will believe this... and every democrat will. The modern woke progressive will believe anything if it makes them feel good and allows them to hate their opposition. Woke progressives are hate-filled little monsters.
I'm still waiting on someone, anyone, on *either* side of the aisle, to finally propose the totally obvious solution here: stop trying to keep kids in school when they clearly don't want to be there. Invalidate truancy laws past age 13/8th grade, and lower the legal employment age.
I don't think it'd prevent *all* shootings, but I think it'd do away with most of them, by vastly improving the culture and environment within schools. Imagine, if instead of being warehoused/jailed with a bunch of other kids who didn't want to be there... schools only served those who wanted to be there?
Back when I was a public school teacher (early 2000s in California), I was in a meeting after a student had literally destroyed the inside of a middle school classroom during class. The other student escaped. He smashed computers and desks. The principal, a man, did nothing to restrain him. Eventually enough school resources officers and local law enforcement arrived to get him to leave the room (he'd exhausted himself demolishing it).
He was not expelled. He was a special needs kid with an IEP but clearly disruptive for everyone (this was his worst but not his only outburst) It was explained quite clearly that every body in a seat gets funding. They would not expell him -- and they had a very narrow expulsion policy; I think you basically had to put someone else in the hospital during school hours or be selling drugs in front of the principal during school hours to get expelled. despite the obvious failure to provide even a modicum of actual education in that classroom for anyone. Bodies in seats. That's all they cared about.
It has not gotten better. Public school in the US as an education system is in my opinion irretrievably broken and run by and large by mendacious idiots.
Exactly. We made the decision to homeschool, after my husband worked for a while as a substitute in a purportedly GOOD school district. Place we could never dream of living, because it was too pricey. We figured if it was that bad in a nice district, we didn't want to find out how bad *our* district was, and we could definitely make better use of their time at home (and make sure they learned to read and write!).
Amen. My DIL is an elementary school teacher. We were discussing this latest school shooting. I graduated HS in the 80’s. The rules were at that time, you called in a bomb threat, you were gone for good, no coming back, no transfer within the district. Apparently with this latest teen, he could threaten to shoot up the school and it was no big deal, until t was. DIL said they’re doing threat assessments on students permanent records. You bring a knife to school in 1st grade and again in the 10th, they’ll be able to see this in the students permanent record.
I understand the concern about child labor that has motivated many of our current laws, but at, say, 14, a person is no longer a child. In former times a boy who had reached puberty (later then than now) was considered old enough to assume a man’s responsibilities, and post puberty a girl was considered marriageable. Now our culture actively prevents young people from growing up. Those who don’t want to be in school would be far better off working. They would certainly learn more that is actually useful.
Yeah. There are legit some jobs that should be off limits to young people. Coal mining. Foundries. Logging. Commercial fishing. The really dangerous stuff. But... nearly all my older relatives worked, some starting as young as 9. They were bowling-alley pin-monkeys, shop clerks, teenage secretaries, telephone switchboard operators, weld-checkers (inspected welds at the shipyard), and planters of blueberry bushes, among other things. It definitely didn't hurt them, and by their own accounts they *liked* being contributing members of the family, and felt it was good for their development.
I had a 'job' working in the apple orchards when I was a kid. My dad was the one who actually had the job, but I got paid for my work the same as anybody else.
In what way does compulsory schooling, and credential inflation (which is what happens when you keep “advancing” kids who fail academically, and then award them a diploma they haven’t qualified for), help with this? AFAICT, it only hurts the kids who actually earned the diploma, by rendering it worthless as a certificate of competence. The whole reason everybody needs some other credential to get a job these days— a degree, a professional license, etc— is because we decided to graduate everyone, whether they showed up or not, whether they did the work or not, whether they knew anything or not, and now that cred is worthless.
If you keep them in school, they’re still screwed because they’re not going to college, and they won’t be able to test into an occupational program. They’d still need to pass entrance exams. You’re just warehousing them against their will for four years, which is actively harmful to all the other students. So it doesn’t do them any good, and it actively harms other students, who could benefit from school.
We’ve been trying the everybody-goes-to-high-school thing for decades now. It’s a failure. Why not try something else?
The managerial society wants a population without agency. A population without agency must be managed. It's the dominant cultural force looking out for its own interests.
That's a separate issue though. In either case you're talking about kids who probably have a lousy home environment, may be on drugs (legal or illegal), have basically no home supervision, etc. That really sucks for those kids, in cases like this most recent, it looks like there was every reason for social services to intervene... and it failed to do so. But there are also plenty of incidents where nothing of the sort was obvious, such as columbine, but what was totally obvious is that school wasn't doing anything for these kids, and it was inappropriate to try and keep them in school, under some misguided notion that "they deserve an education" or even "they deserve a second/third/fourth chance".
That's bollocks. Let them leave. If you're concerned about their welfare, add some clause that social services gets to check up on them and offer career counseling. There's ZERO reason that they should be kept in a situation where they can endanger other children, and school staff. They might still find a gun and kill someone-- and that someone is much more likely to be their parents. Who in at least some cases deserve it. Not forcing them to stay in school would limit the body count, and in many cases probably prevent any shooting from happening at all.
My own brother got indefinitely suspended after a completely unwarranted search of his backpack turned up a pocketknife he had forgotten about. He was never going to do violence to anyone, and never threatened it... but was totally miserable in school. He opted not to do the onerous teen court process to return to school, got a GED, and joined the military. Doing OK as a grownup. I have a GED after skipping my senior year to dual-enroll at the local junior college. I'd been pretty dang miserable in high school too. Why do we try to force kids to stay in such a miserable situation? Why aren't there more alternatives?
More kids need to be encouraged to take alternate education/career paths. School isn't appropriate for all kids, and it's stupid to trap them there-- it breeds so much unnecessary resentment, anger, and revenge fantasy. These days it is easy to boot kids out of school. We need to exercise that option more. But also need to make it easier to just quit, and also maybe offer more public funding for students who would like to transfer out to a vo-tech program or apprenticeship instead.
Imagine what that would do for the school environment, for the kids who *do* want to be there! Safer, more pleasant, fewer disruptions...
It is not just being forced to go to school, it is also being forced to attend classes you have no aptidude or interest in when you may excel in something else. Read the story "The Animal School." A classic.
Unintended (or maybe intended) consequence to the "No child left behind" policy. There are many such failures when we try and have government legislate areas that are not black and white.
I have seen this framed as a classic "austerity" problem:
1) the PTBs want to end a subsidy to the lower classes. But that subsidy is popular, so nobody wants to be the guy who says "hey, let's just stop funding (schools, the police, public parks, whatever)" because that would lose them an election.
2) Instead, the working strategy is: "update" policy in such a way that the subsidy/service itself becomes so bad that the public *demands* that it be defunded.
3) End the public subsidy to the applause of your voter base. Problem solved. Money can now be redirected to hiring politicians' family members for lucrative no-show government jobs.
IMO, where public schooling in the US is concerned... the shoe fits. We are rapidly approaching a situation where the public demands an end to public schools, because they are so terrible that they traumatize more children than they educate. And this seems to have been a deliberate strategy. Perhaps it is reasonable to ask: when the education dept. gets dismantled, where will their funding be reallocated?
The public school system is so bad at this point that few people would oppose eliminating it... but it isn't really a system for education any more. It's a make-work program for bloated and useless administrative staff, and it's a baby-sitting service because parents are all working and can't be home with the kids.
Exactly. As recently as... the 70s? 80s? the public school system was, while not good by any account, at least functional for most people... it's reasonable to ask whether that was an inevitable death by administrative bloat, or a controlled demolition by people who knew exactly what they were doing.
I certainly hope so. Bloat would be a simpler problem to fix, and probably less violent. If it turns out to be part of a more deliberate and widespread campaign, connected to the mass transfer of wealth in recent years from the lower classes to the top .5%... that scenario's a lot uglier.
Maybe it IS high time for the DOE to be abolished and for government to get the h*ll out of our schools. And by government I mean to include teacher's unions which are simply toxic bureaucracies enriching themselves to the detriment of the kids. Leave education up to STATES to administer, or maybe bring it down to a county or community level. Changes must be made. More money and more laws will not cut it! But furthermore - and perhaps more fundamentally - we as a country need to return to our Christian values and the strong moral base these values impart.
I think there is more to these modern school shootings than that.
And where is a 13 year old with grade 8 education going to get a job paying enough to support them? More likely to join a criminal gang. More problems.
My husband, who has a BA with honors from TWENTY years ago, had to go back to school and do a two-year vocational licensing program, to get a job that would support him. It was a program that did not require a college degree.
If you think trapping a juvie delinquent with a 100 IQ in four years of high school is going to help him in the job market, OR prevent them joining a gang, in this day and age, I am not sure we are living in the same country. Are you in the US?
Here at least, the school system is so terminally broken, that all arguments about "how are these kids going to get anywhere in life without more school?" are null and void. We've been trying that plan for about thirty years now, and results are only getting worse, not better. It's time to try something else. High school, for these kids, is wasting their time, it's wasting the time of the students who actually benefit from being in school, and it's creating an unnecessary security risk for everyone involved.
Why should motivated, emotionally-healthy, reasonably intelligent teenagers have to risk getting shot up, to service the liberal fantasy of shoving everybody through highschool for their own good?
I would love to see *fewer* kids in public high schools, and vastly more kids heading into vocational programs, apprenticeships, mental-health facilities, and juvie drug-rehab facilities, whichever's most appropriate. Wouldn't it be nice if non-college-track kids could stop wasting their time in college-track programs, and instead start a two-year licensing program at age 16 (this is currently legal, but hardly anyone realizes it's an option), and graduate at 18 as a legal adult with actually-marketable skills, able to transition directly into a job as a nursing assistant or heavy-equipment operator, and then still have plenty of time to see what's out there and switch careers *while* earning a paycheck that's better than food service?
And, frankly, there should also be alt-track programs for the brighter kids who are definitely headed to college. I skipped out on 12th grade in order to go to college full time. Not enough kids are given that option. We are actively DAMAGING most kids, in our zeal to save a few hard cases.
What evidence do we have that high school is actually doing anything positive for these kids, other than warping them into vengeful killing machines?
I am in Canada, actually. And I am very well-educated myself. Although several university degrees is not the only way to get a good job. We have a portion of PhDs here driving trucks because there are more graduating PhDs than higher job openings. And no one can wait to eat and pay the rent.
That being said, too little education is a bad choice.
Though my main point is that I do not think the school shootings have to do with bored kids being forced to stay in school. Nothing of the sort. There has always been a segment of bored kids in school, but the school shootings began in recent decades. Something else is contributing to such an extreme situation.
PHD’s driving trucks is equally ridiculous. A complete waste of money. As blue collar worker myself, with some college courses taken, I can say I didn’t need a phd or college degree to become educated. My curiosity and love of reading allowed me in my free time to learn about things I’m interested in. I didn’t need to pay some college 100 or thousands of dollars for a piece of paper that says I’m educated.
The PhDs who drive trucks did not enter and pay for their university programs thinking they were going to be truck drivers. They planned on being academics with tenured positions, or non-profit executives, or Think Tank policy-makers, or researchers, or clinicians.
Along the way, things did not quite work out like that, as the job openings narrowed and the numbers of doctoral graduates grew.
Jim...it isn't a piece of paper. I wish people would stop using that foolish toss-off phrase, meant to make them sound knowing. The paper is just a symbol of the work and ability that a PhD has had to invest successfully. You do understand symbolism, don't you? Our whole society is built upon formal documentation.
Some jobs do indeed require a high level of training. Would you agree to surgery, for instance, done by a grade 12 grad? Or would you happily cross a bridge built by someone with no training in engineering?
I'm delighted to hear that our polite neighbors to the north still have a functional school system.
None of that applies in the US.
Bored kids aren't the *cause* of school shootings, but ending the gross charade of trying to *educate* teenagers who have no interest in being educated, at the expense of everyone else's education, would likely prevent most school shootings. There's a *reason* these mentally-ill teenage boys with serious grudges are directing their rage against... students at school. Letting them leave that environment, where they clearly don't want to be, would absolutely reduce the risk to everyone else.
I've a strong suspicion most of the bullies are also kids who'd rather not be in school, and are getting no benefit from it. Allowing them to exit the system is one instantly effective way to prevent them victimizing other students.
...and just FYI I am one of three people in my family who hold a GED instead of a high school diploma. It has not been a significant employment obstacle for any of us.
A GED does still testify to having to have proven a certain level of ability.
For a 13 yr. old with a grade 8 (and usually little family support) in an urban centre, the most likely place they will end up is in criminal activity. As either the target or as a perpetrator.
Tell me how this child, who has no interest in an education and likely no aptitude for it either, will be prevented from engaging in criminal activity by being forced to remain in school for four more years.
This is a claim that demands evidence. What I've seen in reports on the subject indicates that such kids often have their first contact with drugs and gangs *at school*.
Sure. There are probably many contributors: poor parenting, drugs (legal and illegal), abuse, and self-reinforcing online communities that encourage dysfunctional behavior...
What I'm asserting is that allowing these kids, who are not receiving any benefit from continued school attendance, to simply NOT BE AT SCHOOL, would very nearly (not entirely) eliminate school shootings. In the vast majority of cases, the targets of the attacks are the people the shooter was forced, against his will, to spend much of his time with. High school shouldn't be the only option.
Not sure, but I don’t remember this happening when I was a teen. Could be the regular paddling handed out by teachers and punches handed out by other kids when someone misbehaved.
I got paddled first day of first grade. Makes an impression….
The school system was created to make good factory workers and provide jobs for useless bloated administrators. The very heart of our managerial state is the school system. The more useless it is, the better it's doing its job. "Leviathan and it's enemies" is a good book on this subject.
They are simply there to tell the D's and our overlords what is acceptable to think. Trust is immaterial because the elite and those benefited from government largesse, corporate interests and higher educational system- are still getting the messages (narrative) from the media.
Why else would they not be concerned about the lowest historical levels of trust with the public? Perhaps it's because this actually reinforces the message to the elites and power brokers in D.C. that the FAR- FAR-FAR Right is a threat to democracy? Maybe it's just to keep them all in alignment, ergo "consensus"; aka; groupthink - if not they may be excommunicated from the tribe....which overrides curiosity or the desire to seek The Truth. To do otherwise they risk careers and sinecures.
The ventriloquist (MSM) are simply telling "the blob" (sprawling government/bureaucrats) and other decision makers (corporate influence/lobbyists) what is safe to think in order for all these robber barons to take bed with the government, at the expense of our individual sovereignty, penalty free, for the mutual benefit of those three parties to feast on a middle class carcass.
How depressing is it to know so many proactively want to believe the worst of selected people? Where in the hell is Galt's Gulch, or at least a place where normalcy (usually only a setting on a washer) reigns?
I just checked. My wash machine has no "Normal" setting. Mine has Whites: Heavy, Medium, Light. And - Colors: Light, Delicates, Casuals, Bulky. My gosh! My washing machine is racist!
It's projection, used as a coping mechanism and a weapon.
Projection often occurs unconsciously, allowing a person to distance themselves from aspects of their personality (or center of gravity narrative) that they find uncomfortable or undesirable. While projection can serves as a vehicle to protect one’s self-image, it also inadvertently reveals a great deal about the projector's difficulties. For example, it often shows that they are less self-aware and less able to regulate their emotions or accept their own bad decisions.
It offers insights into others' inner conflicts, insecurities, and unacknowledged desires. They may unconsciously assume that everyone thinks exactly as they do. Many of us do the same thing:
this is human nature; we presume assumptions about what other people think without challenging our own processes.
"Mind reading" is pretty easy; just learn how to recognize projection.
RG, you have thought this through and quite accurately imho. That is what mature people do but I don't seem to see that in a large swath of the population. Not that they are evil but more governed by what you cite as Inner conflicts, insecurities etc, they impress me as progeny of the media. I don't have a cure so....
They are all in it together. Mass media has been the tool of propagandists since it first became available. It reinforces groupthink to millions of people at once.
agreed ... there to manufacture consent. They're also there to manufacture division. JD Vance is an asset of the cabal who's heavily invested in the "pandemic preparedness" racket. Trump is playing the populist role while standing by the globalist depopulation DOD-executed "covid" op OWS. It's time to stop putting trust in designated "heroes." Bilderberg Groupies fund both Trump and "Harris."
Perfect timing you got here with the current pile-on Darryl Cooper is getting from the morons over at The Free Press, plus Alex Berenson and Jordan Schachtel, each of whom is proud to be an investigative journalist and yet they both are insisting that Cooper is a Nazi apologist and Jew-hater.
Every word. We each better make sure we track down every word before we go red behind the eyes about anything.
72 hour rule. Wait 72 hours to see what falls out before believing anything and making your own opinion. Then always be prepared to change it depending on new information. Now, in the era of AIs "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see" needs to be seriously reexamined. It may become "believe nothing".
I don’t know anything about this man, but I was sceptical of the lashing he was receiving about being some kind of Jew hating nut job. My first innstinct was that I needed to do a lot more investigating about what actually went on in ww2 and the holocaust. I’ve seen a few videos that put into question everything that’s been taught about the holocaust, but never did a real deep dive. Now I know that is exactly what I have to do.
Maybe the victors of WW1 have some blame for unnecessarily crushing the German people and their economy, almost out of sheer spite?
Which begs the question:
Would we even have had WW2 and the associated atrocities (or Hitlers rise to power) committed if we had not punished the Germans so severely?
Perhaps I'm playing arm chair QB...but still....I don't think (and they should have) anyone involved with the Versailles Treaty thought about the obvious potential for unintended consequences
Well, sometimes people perfectly deserve lashings. The point is to determine that for oneself.
I found Martyr Made on Twitter/X in the days when it was the breadcrumb trail to Substack for me, and Cooper often posted enough paragraphs of his Substack pieces there for me to really want to read them, and I remarked to him on Twitter/X that I was grateful for the little taste I got, not being in a position to subscribe, and he comped me, which I thought (as it was!) extremely gracious and generous.
So after a year of free reads, I then converted to paid because it was in my view really worth the money and it would've been churlish not to.
Someone had pointed me to the podcast where he explained the meaning of his Substack's name and that was extremely moving. He is not in the least the cartoonish villain being painted by Alex and Jordan who ought really to know better and who degrade themselves in this matter. When one's reputation is built on rigorous research one should not piss on one's own head.
A lot of knee-jerk reactions from people who have not actually watched the interview in its entirety. Tucker provides a platform and I see him as a free speech absolutist. He also interviewed Chris Cuomo, a very strange in-character Kevin Spacey and, of course, Vladimir Putin.
I don't watch Tucker. Yet another guy utterly fucked up by his parents. Enough of 'em all over the news already.
But I do subscribe to Martyr Made and he is a remarkable, careful, thorough and perceptive historian and essayist, and I think I'd notice if his personal religious convictions happened to taint his work.
You need to pick up a copy of Tuckers book, The Long Slide. He wasn’t messed up by his parents, he is what we now call “free range children, the 80’s called them “latch key kids.” This book is hilarious!
I don't watch Tucker much, just a handful of selected interviews, and I know nothing about his background. His manner just annoys me. However, the ones I have watched, at least he mostly shuts up and lets the guest talk.
I recently read an article (by Chris Bray I think) that the media doesn’t care if people (i.e. the proles) don’t trust it since its purpose is to tell “the opinion leaders” what to think, or at least say, and not to inform the public.
Trouble is, who is going to do the banning? When the authorities are all on the Democrat/WOKE side? They consider it to their benefit to find paying customers for those drugs.
The first thing the US needs to do is to have a sane and non-WOKE individual in the White House. Trump is far closer to that than Harris. She is a big part of the problem.
And the states have to get onboard to the extent they can. These changes will ultimately need to be done at those levels. But the energy both to vote in the right people, and to engage in grassroots activism, comes from the population.
Of course Big Pharma is a major threat. We learned that during COVID Mania.
Our "media" is a [level 9 expletive] joke. See "popping noises heard at PA rally," "Kamala announces revolutionary no-taxes-on-tips plan," or my personal favorite, "Kamala Harris is ready to lead our military."
Not to go all boomer on ya (like I have a choice), but school shootings weren't a thing when I was a kid, and it's not because there were fewer guns. There was the Texas clock tower shooting at a university, then nothing I recall until Columbine. Something bad happened to Americans, and we need to find out what it is.
The Tylenol poisoning is the reason there are safety caps and seals on everything, which is fine with me. There are a lot of weird people out there. But my elementary school didn't have locked doors during school hours, or security guards, or metal detectors. That would have been considered dystopian fiction. Something is wrong with us. RFK Jr is the first person I ever heard even acknowledge that there is a problem with our environment, and I think he put his finger on some of the causes, but not all.
90% of the media thinks that Trump = Hitler and/or is an existential threat to "democracy". That tells you all you need to know about how untrustworthy and biased they are.
I might not win but I can place or show in a “Hate the Media” contest….. so when Trump by invitation goes to Arlington to honor the soldiers massacred in Afghanistan it’s a “ political stunt” …but when the Democrats and media minions intentionally misquote Vance, it’s not a political stunt…. SSDD …I viscerally hate the media. And sorry Dad, I know I’m not supposed to hate anyone, but chumps have earned it!
Jeff Childers in his Coffee and Covid substack yesterday argued that the media's obvious and repeatedly echoed lies are aimed solely at the left with the intent to feed them their beliefs. The media don't care about anyonr but their adherents nor expect anyone else to believe the lies. They just need their own army of believers parroting the lies to each other. That's why trying to reason with a Harris support is futile. They now all believe JD Vance considers school shootings a fact of life. And your Harris voting cousin will tell you that, and won't listen to the truth because all the media voices are in unison.
It goes back to the subject I harp on so much. Totalitarianism. Which is a psychological condition, actually, that just happens to hit some political groups. Although it hits many other types of dysfunctional groups too.
It is a behaviour pattern within mankind, given specific circumstances. The pattern can repeat in any time or place. Once you can see two or three points in the pattern....you can be fairly certain the rest is coming, unless things change from the side of the targets.
Every election season becomes an opportunity for D’s to make gun control and/or abortion an election issue, distracting people from the disasters our government has wrought. Every time.
A lie travels around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on.
Yes. It's a strategy; when these talking points (narrative) "spontaneously" emerge from thin air, and is immediately everywhere at the same time, you can bet its orchestrated.
It's not a coincidence; it's planned and exist to simply manufacture consent.
Sound familiar?...
They strive to create a 1st impression. No matter how often the lie is shown to be such, how many people will not see the retractions, denials, and receipts, or choose not to believe them because of their own political bias. For crying out loud people are still believing the original Russia hoax, the pee pee tapes (of which there was no tape), and Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation. An of course by Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman.
"My propaganda protects you."
Oh, thank God for that. :)
I truly despise the media in ways hard to fathom. They effectively run a racketeering system to threaten politicians. It's nearly impossible to be an effective politician and discuss hard ideas unless your income is guaranteed independent of an institution. Liars in the media will attack your family and income long before they attack the political policy.
Beyond despise. I have enough loathe going on to float a battleship around.
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I swear to you, swear, 🤚 right hand to God, there is not a dumbocrap in this country that thinks for him/herself. NOT ONE!
I love asking when they say they are for Harris - Did you vote for her in the primary?
Thank-you, Swabbie, you made me LOL! I bet that leads to a lot of silence. 🤪
I wonder how many say 'yes'.
@Swabbie- really and truly: Substack needs a laughing emoji. I'm going to use this the next time someone says they're voting for EmbHarris and Nobalz Walz.
Wife and I went to a dinner party with old friends, who are all liberal democrats. (As we used to be ourselves, way back when we met these friends.)
At this dinner party, all they could do was hurl insults against Trump, and Vance, and RFKjr. Not a single mention of what policies they favored or opposed, or why. Just "he's weird" and "we've got to stop fascism" and "they're going to burn books" and of course the inevitable references to Handmaid's Tale.
I think using the term "NPC" for people is demeaning and obnoxious. But I couldn't help it; "NPC" kept popping into my head, and I didn't like that it did. They're otherwise interesting people, they can talk about books and art and music. But politically, nothing. They formed their opinions when they were in their teens and twenties, and froze right there.
They seemed somewhat bewildered that we didn't joyfully join in on the Two-Minute Hate sessions. We went home afterwards pretty sad about them, and I'm sure they're wondering what happened to us. They probably think that Putin's mind-rays turned us into MAGA-bots.
I know 1, ONE!, person that thinks like I do in my town. Every other, single, person is a dumbocrap zombie. ALL OF THEM! One friend said, specifically, that they would NOT do any research on their own, and I was asking about RFK, Jr.! I asked another one why (!) they would vote for a communist. They said, "What's that?" They're 75 years old! I can't take it anymore!
I've looked at this problem from every angle I could. All I could come up with is, either you are able to conceive that the media lies about anything and everything and has done for decades, or you are not.
There is so much contradiction and agenda-driven garbage out there, that to trust the Narrative, you have to swat away and ignore all criticism. It can only come from Bad People, and to be a Good Person means you must hate those Bad People and shout them down.
Once you can admit to yourself that the media lie about anything and everything, one is free to weigh all evidence, not immediately trusting even that which seems to accord with your worldview, and assigning less weight to inputs which seem motivated by monetary gain or the will to power.
It will be a smaller task to find what the media ever tells the unvarnished truth about.
Re: shouting them down. I think they like that. It is what they do when they can't defend their point. Better to meme them, laugh at them, say things like "who did you allocate to do your thinking for you." And if you can bring the receipts - show links to the real stories. They will dismiss you and go away. But they go away frustrated because they didn't win. It is also good to remember that you are likely talking to a larger audience than that person, so you may be reaching others.
that sounds "weird"
amazing how they rolled out "weird" so universally and quickly
after RFKjr endorsed Trump, my liberal friends immediately called him a weirdo, and repeated it, like an implanted mental tic
"like an implanted mental tic", best explanation I've heard in a while!! With your permissio, I shall use this expression early and often to describe people that can't think for themselves.
Lol, right?!
ah well, and boots. You need the boots
Boots I got!
Now if the bastards would just slither out from under their rock...
Truth without pants gives a whole new meaning to Strategy of Tension.
While more and more people are coming to understand this, the media seems to be doubling down on the strategy. Control over the major outlets makes them think they also control what we think. However, by definition, only half the population is stupid, and a lot of them are actually teachable, able to grasp the Truth when presented with it. Thus, it is imperative to Speak The Truth at every opportunity, fearlessly. Yes, cornered rats can be dangerous, but they can also be stomped on. The harder, the better.
Absolutely glorious to see. The media are rats that chew at the fibers of civilization, and most people don't even use them or listen to them any more.
And the media don't even realize that 'we the people' have put a huge 'Kick me' sign on their backs. Which makes it even more glorious to see. 😂
They are doubling down for sure. I can't tell if they just can't believe that the techniques that used to work so well are failing; or if they know they're failing, but aren't clever enough to refine and improve those techniques, so they are hoping that doing the same old thing harder and faster just might work after all.
The media takes advantage of this to spread lies so fast that by the time you formulate an argument against them... you can't fight their lies if they spew them out fast enough. The best method to deal with this is to add more friction to media narratives and render them irrelevant through floods of meaningless media.
I pay no attention or money to them. It takes two to tango.
It does. many people are checking out.
isn't this quote from a PBS exec who was asking for additional federal funding?
One leg at a time, my friend.
Why don't we outlaw the drugs causing people to go on psychotic breaks resulting in mass violence like school shootings? Then you won't even have to worry about them in the first place.
like large amounts of hormones to transition? A bunch of recent school shootings are from trans shooters. Those drugs are gnarly.
SSRIs, the AR-15 was released in 1959, when was the first school shooting?
And many high schools had gun teams and clubs without incident.
I was on one of those teams.
And I taught at a rural school where many students drove to school in a pickup-up with a rifle in the gun rack at the rear window.
In 1953, in fourth grade, the the government of the day put a bounty on gophers. The next day there were dozens of .22's leaning against the walls of rural elementary school classrooms. And teachers, most of whom were still sane in that prehistoric era, used the bounty as a teaching opportunity.
For example: "Freddy, if Johnny never misses, (class erupts in laughter - Johnny is a notoriously poor shot!), how much money can he make with 1 box of bullets"?
Or, "Suzy, the bounty on gopher tails is a nickel - 5 cents. Bullets for Johnnie's .22 are sold in boxes of 50. For 50 cents. If Johnny buys 1 box of .22 shorts, how many gophers does he have to shoot to break even?"
Times have changed.
In a town where I used to work, kids would get out of classes, go to the truck for an orange vest and a shotgun, then head to the woods for partridge hunting.
Many many high schools.
SSRIs were introduced in Dec 1987. School shootings went up astronomically right after. There was a decline in the mid 90s. Columbine was 1999.
The early 1980s saw only a few multi-victim school shootings. ... From the late 1980s to the early 1990s the United States saw a sharp increase in gun and gun violence in the schools.
January 17, 1989 Cleveland School massacre of Stockton, California where 5 school children were killed and 29 wounded by a single gunman firing over 100 rounds into a schoolyard from an AK-47
1992-1993 (44 Homicides and 55 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1993-1994 (42 Homicides and 51 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states
good infographic: https://www.security.org/app/uploads/2023/08/Big_timeline_new.png
Excellent research, thank you.
Also hugely important imo ... lead. Specifically lead in gasoline. And with more evidence about chemtrails coming out ... and the heavy metals in them ... it seems to me a logical theory that toxins in our environment are involved in mental as well as physical health.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/01/03/how-lead-caused-americas-violent-crime-epidemic/
"She found that the reduction in environmental lead exposure during the late 1970s and early 1980s caused substantial declines in violent crime in the 1990s. In a subsequent paper using the same empirical strategy and data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, Reyes found that lead exposure also increased self-reports of antisocial and risky behaviors among children and teenagers." 👇
https://www.niskanencenter.org/research-roundup-lead-exposure-causes-crime/
How much lead is in all this bottled water? Do you trust them?
Yikes is there lead in bottled water!?! Man … 🤔😱😳
How about fluoride? How much of that.
now, you know I'm gonna have to go check. 🙀
The second, third, fourth, ...
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I was going to post. Thanks, it is well put together
I had posted too that unrestrained Cannabis use in Canada (legal since 2018) has been leading to previously unseen levels of emergency hospital care for psychosis in youth.
Sadly, my brother-in-law took his life in 2022 under a cannabis induced psychosis. The state of the world didn't help.
I am very sorry to hear that, Gwyneth. My condolences.
I smoked cannabis for 40 years and didn't shoot even one person or go psychotic, ever.
My age cohort widely used cannabis, psychosis was not significantly increased. Only among the relatively few who used methamphetamines.
SSRI drugs, commonly prescribed these days, do seem to have the strongest correlation with mass shootings - and suicides.
There are many "potheads" who never enter psychosis. But that does not mean it isn't a problem for a significant number. It is indeed. One of the reasons Troodo legalized it in Canada in 2018 was because of its destructive properties in a large enough number. It is on the list of lockstep measures to be used by Neo-Marxist politicians to assist in flattening their societies. True to form, the numbers of ER hospital admissions for youth Cannabis-psychosis in Canada shot up as of 2018.
Why take a risk like that? For a bit of a high?
exactly.
If SSRIs are the culprit (or one of them), doctors prescribing these drugs should be held culpable for any violence which occurs. Just like parents who buy the guns and ignore signs of mental distress in their children.
But of course, if the higher-ups want this violence, such a law will not go through.
JD Vance should say it. Is it the drugs the kids are on?
But if he says it, Big Pharma will roll over him with a steam roller.
Truth!
Like mind altering drugs that Psychiatrists could if they wanted to , prescribe for their adolescent child??
Yeah, like those.
In the cases of all the teens going off the rails (in the UK too...but they use knives there), it could be due to drugs, it could be due to personality breakdown/indoctrination through the internet and social groups, or it could be both.
Yes. Lots of confounders. Modern human life has changed so much so fast that it would be difficult to isolate. Declining religious believe, fractured families, micro-plastics, endocrine disruptors, lack of sleep, lack of sunshine, etc... We evolved for different conditions. So many technological things that we thought would be good for society aren't good in the long run.
I think we may have been pushed purposely in unhealthy directions, and some individuals are more vulnerable than others.
I don't think it was pushed purposely. We evolved in an environment where energy dense food was scarce and it took our ancestors a great deal of exercise to hunt or grow it. As agriculture started and long before anyone knew about genes farmers figured out how to breed plants and animals to increase their energy density. Higher sugar content / more fat was the result. Plus adding sugar and fat to things like grains and vegetables increased their energy density and tasted fantastic! Then when the industrial age started there was a need to feed factory workers. Automation reduced the amount of manual labor to do anything. The demand for shelf stable products drove the development of food additives. I doubt anyone had any idea of the long term health effects of all this. Now being over weight and the resulting poor health is a bigger problem than hunger. Eating less and exercising more is difficult with a brain that is wired to consume energy and conserve energy expenditure.
Thanks for your reply, Alan. I wasn't thinking of only unhealthy food/exercise choices, but choices in taking drugs or not, in frequent TV watching, in using Smartphones glued to the hand all day, in addictions of all sorts, and on and on. Modern life is full of potential bad choices.
In terms of the food-exercise though, there was a very distinct move post WWII towards supermarkets with a great deal of highly processed and highly packaged and highly advertised foods. Versus the small local grocer selling basic foods in minimal packaging before that. The big food corporations like Kraft and Kellog and Coca-Cola were beginning to appear and to gain power. I don't think that was a coincidence.
Americans wanted convenience and as little preparation time as possible. Supermarkets operate on much lower margins than local grocery stores because of their volume and you can get greater selection than any mom-pop-shop ever could. Produce, meat, dairy, bake good (eventually pharmacy) all in one place at a lower cost. You had to drive farther, but gas was cheap and so were cars.
IMO - no one is accountable for their actions anymore. Swift and true justice might deter others.
I agree that personal responsibility is at an all-time low. However, these school shooters do end up dead themselves or in prison. Still has not been a deterrent. There are obviously one or more other strong factors involved.
Because I think those doing the prescribing WANT the psychotic breaks.
Think about that for a moment.
Contrary to what many people believe, Marijuana/Cannabis can have a psychotic effect on some people. Especially adolescents. Known also as a trigger for Schizophrenia in those who have this propensity (and who knows until it hits?).
The ERs in Canadian hospitals have seen large numbers of youth with psychotic breaks due to Marijuana since Troodo legalized the stuff in 2018.
And spend time loving them, helping them and understanding them. Marginalizing mentally deranged and love deprived kids, will likely send them to big pharma. With lame excuses, the whole society justifies avoiding the children that need the most attention.
Because the Psychiatrists doing the prescribing probably have motives other than health of the patient.
I think of the Montreal MK Ultra experiments in the 1950s-70s. Some Psychiatrists are not above this.
Who's to say that they don't get kickbacks on them too, like the regular MDs get?
Yup
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Sadly, people have psychotic breaks without medication. 😢
Then how would the ATF and FBI get violent school shooters to suffer psychotic breaks during election years?
This right here is the question a lot more ppl should be asking! Aaand so far the answer is the global stronghold industry of the big pharma cartel doesn’t want to die (and funds both media and political campaigns) - I still believe we can bring awareness to this but we got quite a fight ahead. I’m with it tho. 🙏
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It's a bizarre interpretation of Vance's comments. I get that people like to play "gotcha", but how far gone do you have to be to actually believe he would "shrug" something like this off?
On the other hand, the Left obviously has internalized all kinds of horrors as facts of life (castrating kids, drug addicts occupying public spaces, abjectly failing public schools, rampant STDs, migrant rapists, etc., etc., etc.). Maybe it's actually plausible to them someone could shrug this off.
Those folks believing the lies don’t get their information anywhere else. They’re conditioned to believe that MSM is the True Word, and anything else is untruth, lies, and more lies by disgruntled bad actors. In the last several months I’ve sent Substack authors’ links to numerous people and have been told by a couple I’m reading propaganda 😆. However, several have dived in and are making me proud.
The Left wants to believe that's what he said so they do. All while feigning sympathy for the shooting victims while not blinking an eye at all the other atrocities you listed.
Keep in mind confirmation bias. No republican will believe this... and every democrat will. The modern woke progressive will believe anything if it makes them feel good and allows them to hate their opposition. Woke progressives are hate-filled little monsters.
I'm still waiting on someone, anyone, on *either* side of the aisle, to finally propose the totally obvious solution here: stop trying to keep kids in school when they clearly don't want to be there. Invalidate truancy laws past age 13/8th grade, and lower the legal employment age.
I don't think it'd prevent *all* shootings, but I think it'd do away with most of them, by vastly improving the culture and environment within schools. Imagine, if instead of being warehoused/jailed with a bunch of other kids who didn't want to be there... schools only served those who wanted to be there?
Back when I was a public school teacher (early 2000s in California), I was in a meeting after a student had literally destroyed the inside of a middle school classroom during class. The other student escaped. He smashed computers and desks. The principal, a man, did nothing to restrain him. Eventually enough school resources officers and local law enforcement arrived to get him to leave the room (he'd exhausted himself demolishing it).
He was not expelled. He was a special needs kid with an IEP but clearly disruptive for everyone (this was his worst but not his only outburst) It was explained quite clearly that every body in a seat gets funding. They would not expell him -- and they had a very narrow expulsion policy; I think you basically had to put someone else in the hospital during school hours or be selling drugs in front of the principal during school hours to get expelled. despite the obvious failure to provide even a modicum of actual education in that classroom for anyone. Bodies in seats. That's all they cared about.
It has not gotten better. Public school in the US as an education system is in my opinion irretrievably broken and run by and large by mendacious idiots.
Exactly. We made the decision to homeschool, after my husband worked for a while as a substitute in a purportedly GOOD school district. Place we could never dream of living, because it was too pricey. We figured if it was that bad in a nice district, we didn't want to find out how bad *our* district was, and we could definitely make better use of their time at home (and make sure they learned to read and write!).
Amen. My DIL is an elementary school teacher. We were discussing this latest school shooting. I graduated HS in the 80’s. The rules were at that time, you called in a bomb threat, you were gone for good, no coming back, no transfer within the district. Apparently with this latest teen, he could threaten to shoot up the school and it was no big deal, until t was. DIL said they’re doing threat assessments on students permanent records. You bring a knife to school in 1st grade and again in the 10th, they’ll be able to see this in the students permanent record.
I understand the concern about child labor that has motivated many of our current laws, but at, say, 14, a person is no longer a child. In former times a boy who had reached puberty (later then than now) was considered old enough to assume a man’s responsibilities, and post puberty a girl was considered marriageable. Now our culture actively prevents young people from growing up. Those who don’t want to be in school would be far better off working. They would certainly learn more that is actually useful.
Yeah. There are legit some jobs that should be off limits to young people. Coal mining. Foundries. Logging. Commercial fishing. The really dangerous stuff. But... nearly all my older relatives worked, some starting as young as 9. They were bowling-alley pin-monkeys, shop clerks, teenage secretaries, telephone switchboard operators, weld-checkers (inspected welds at the shipyard), and planters of blueberry bushes, among other things. It definitely didn't hurt them, and by their own accounts they *liked* being contributing members of the family, and felt it was good for their development.
I had a 'job' working in the apple orchards when I was a kid. My dad was the one who actually had the job, but I got paid for my work the same as anybody else.
I doubt many of those jobs exist anymore. There are few jobs for adults that want to work, without a college degree, let alone kids.
In what way does compulsory schooling, and credential inflation (which is what happens when you keep “advancing” kids who fail academically, and then award them a diploma they haven’t qualified for), help with this? AFAICT, it only hurts the kids who actually earned the diploma, by rendering it worthless as a certificate of competence. The whole reason everybody needs some other credential to get a job these days— a degree, a professional license, etc— is because we decided to graduate everyone, whether they showed up or not, whether they did the work or not, whether they knew anything or not, and now that cred is worthless.
If you keep them in school, they’re still screwed because they’re not going to college, and they won’t be able to test into an occupational program. They’d still need to pass entrance exams. You’re just warehousing them against their will for four years, which is actively harmful to all the other students. So it doesn’t do them any good, and it actively harms other students, who could benefit from school.
We’ve been trying the everybody-goes-to-high-school thing for decades now. It’s a failure. Why not try something else?
The managerial society wants a population without agency. A population without agency must be managed. It's the dominant cultural force looking out for its own interests.
It might do more if parents didn't keep getting away with abusing their children until the children snap.
That's a separate issue though. In either case you're talking about kids who probably have a lousy home environment, may be on drugs (legal or illegal), have basically no home supervision, etc. That really sucks for those kids, in cases like this most recent, it looks like there was every reason for social services to intervene... and it failed to do so. But there are also plenty of incidents where nothing of the sort was obvious, such as columbine, but what was totally obvious is that school wasn't doing anything for these kids, and it was inappropriate to try and keep them in school, under some misguided notion that "they deserve an education" or even "they deserve a second/third/fourth chance".
That's bollocks. Let them leave. If you're concerned about their welfare, add some clause that social services gets to check up on them and offer career counseling. There's ZERO reason that they should be kept in a situation where they can endanger other children, and school staff. They might still find a gun and kill someone-- and that someone is much more likely to be their parents. Who in at least some cases deserve it. Not forcing them to stay in school would limit the body count, and in many cases probably prevent any shooting from happening at all.
My own brother got indefinitely suspended after a completely unwarranted search of his backpack turned up a pocketknife he had forgotten about. He was never going to do violence to anyone, and never threatened it... but was totally miserable in school. He opted not to do the onerous teen court process to return to school, got a GED, and joined the military. Doing OK as a grownup. I have a GED after skipping my senior year to dual-enroll at the local junior college. I'd been pretty dang miserable in high school too. Why do we try to force kids to stay in such a miserable situation? Why aren't there more alternatives?
More kids need to be encouraged to take alternate education/career paths. School isn't appropriate for all kids, and it's stupid to trap them there-- it breeds so much unnecessary resentment, anger, and revenge fantasy. These days it is easy to boot kids out of school. We need to exercise that option more. But also need to make it easier to just quit, and also maybe offer more public funding for students who would like to transfer out to a vo-tech program or apprenticeship instead.
Imagine what that would do for the school environment, for the kids who *do* want to be there! Safer, more pleasant, fewer disruptions...
It is not just being forced to go to school, it is also being forced to attend classes you have no aptidude or interest in when you may excel in something else. Read the story "The Animal School." A classic.
It would be nice if we got rid of mainstreaming too.
Unintended (or maybe intended) consequence to the "No child left behind" policy. There are many such failures when we try and have government legislate areas that are not black and white.
I have seen this framed as a classic "austerity" problem:
1) the PTBs want to end a subsidy to the lower classes. But that subsidy is popular, so nobody wants to be the guy who says "hey, let's just stop funding (schools, the police, public parks, whatever)" because that would lose them an election.
2) Instead, the working strategy is: "update" policy in such a way that the subsidy/service itself becomes so bad that the public *demands* that it be defunded.
3) End the public subsidy to the applause of your voter base. Problem solved. Money can now be redirected to hiring politicians' family members for lucrative no-show government jobs.
IMO, where public schooling in the US is concerned... the shoe fits. We are rapidly approaching a situation where the public demands an end to public schools, because they are so terrible that they traumatize more children than they educate. And this seems to have been a deliberate strategy. Perhaps it is reasonable to ask: when the education dept. gets dismantled, where will their funding be reallocated?
The public school system is so bad at this point that few people would oppose eliminating it... but it isn't really a system for education any more. It's a make-work program for bloated and useless administrative staff, and it's a baby-sitting service because parents are all working and can't be home with the kids.
Exactly. As recently as... the 70s? 80s? the public school system was, while not good by any account, at least functional for most people... it's reasonable to ask whether that was an inevitable death by administrative bloat, or a controlled demolition by people who knew exactly what they were doing.
I suspect administrative bloat. Our leaders are too incompetent to carry out an intentional 20 year plan at this point as far as I can tell.
I certainly hope so. Bloat would be a simpler problem to fix, and probably less violent. If it turns out to be part of a more deliberate and widespread campaign, connected to the mass transfer of wealth in recent years from the lower classes to the top .5%... that scenario's a lot uglier.
Maybe it IS high time for the DOE to be abolished and for government to get the h*ll out of our schools. And by government I mean to include teacher's unions which are simply toxic bureaucracies enriching themselves to the detriment of the kids. Leave education up to STATES to administer, or maybe bring it down to a county or community level. Changes must be made. More money and more laws will not cut it! But furthermore - and perhaps more fundamentally - we as a country need to return to our Christian values and the strong moral base these values impart.
That is very much my take. At this point, the edifice is so infested with rats, the only good solution is to raze the whole thing and start over.
Definitely intended.
It's literally insane that we force people to go to school with those who hate them/people they hate.
And the peach there is, they wouldn’t hate them if they didn’t have to be around them all the time. They’d just be irrelevant.
It's a humiliation ritual that we need to break out of. Check out my article on new clan ancestries if you want a few ideas on how: https://alwaysthehorizon.substack.com/p/clan-allegiances-new-identities-in
I think there is more to these modern school shootings than that.
And where is a 13 year old with grade 8 education going to get a job paying enough to support them? More likely to join a criminal gang. More problems.
My husband, who has a BA with honors from TWENTY years ago, had to go back to school and do a two-year vocational licensing program, to get a job that would support him. It was a program that did not require a college degree.
If you think trapping a juvie delinquent with a 100 IQ in four years of high school is going to help him in the job market, OR prevent them joining a gang, in this day and age, I am not sure we are living in the same country. Are you in the US?
Here at least, the school system is so terminally broken, that all arguments about "how are these kids going to get anywhere in life without more school?" are null and void. We've been trying that plan for about thirty years now, and results are only getting worse, not better. It's time to try something else. High school, for these kids, is wasting their time, it's wasting the time of the students who actually benefit from being in school, and it's creating an unnecessary security risk for everyone involved.
Why should motivated, emotionally-healthy, reasonably intelligent teenagers have to risk getting shot up, to service the liberal fantasy of shoving everybody through highschool for their own good?
I would love to see *fewer* kids in public high schools, and vastly more kids heading into vocational programs, apprenticeships, mental-health facilities, and juvie drug-rehab facilities, whichever's most appropriate. Wouldn't it be nice if non-college-track kids could stop wasting their time in college-track programs, and instead start a two-year licensing program at age 16 (this is currently legal, but hardly anyone realizes it's an option), and graduate at 18 as a legal adult with actually-marketable skills, able to transition directly into a job as a nursing assistant or heavy-equipment operator, and then still have plenty of time to see what's out there and switch careers *while* earning a paycheck that's better than food service?
And, frankly, there should also be alt-track programs for the brighter kids who are definitely headed to college. I skipped out on 12th grade in order to go to college full time. Not enough kids are given that option. We are actively DAMAGING most kids, in our zeal to save a few hard cases.
What evidence do we have that high school is actually doing anything positive for these kids, other than warping them into vengeful killing machines?
I am in Canada, actually. And I am very well-educated myself. Although several university degrees is not the only way to get a good job. We have a portion of PhDs here driving trucks because there are more graduating PhDs than higher job openings. And no one can wait to eat and pay the rent.
That being said, too little education is a bad choice.
Though my main point is that I do not think the school shootings have to do with bored kids being forced to stay in school. Nothing of the sort. There has always been a segment of bored kids in school, but the school shootings began in recent decades. Something else is contributing to such an extreme situation.
PHD’s driving trucks is equally ridiculous. A complete waste of money. As blue collar worker myself, with some college courses taken, I can say I didn’t need a phd or college degree to become educated. My curiosity and love of reading allowed me in my free time to learn about things I’m interested in. I didn’t need to pay some college 100 or thousands of dollars for a piece of paper that says I’m educated.
You misunderstand.
The PhDs who drive trucks did not enter and pay for their university programs thinking they were going to be truck drivers. They planned on being academics with tenured positions, or non-profit executives, or Think Tank policy-makers, or researchers, or clinicians.
Along the way, things did not quite work out like that, as the job openings narrowed and the numbers of doctoral graduates grew.
Jim...it isn't a piece of paper. I wish people would stop using that foolish toss-off phrase, meant to make them sound knowing. The paper is just a symbol of the work and ability that a PhD has had to invest successfully. You do understand symbolism, don't you? Our whole society is built upon formal documentation.
Some jobs do indeed require a high level of training. Would you agree to surgery, for instance, done by a grade 12 grad? Or would you happily cross a bridge built by someone with no training in engineering?
Of course there's more going on.
I'm delighted to hear that our polite neighbors to the north still have a functional school system.
None of that applies in the US.
Bored kids aren't the *cause* of school shootings, but ending the gross charade of trying to *educate* teenagers who have no interest in being educated, at the expense of everyone else's education, would likely prevent most school shootings. There's a *reason* these mentally-ill teenage boys with serious grudges are directing their rage against... students at school. Letting them leave that environment, where they clearly don't want to be, would absolutely reduce the risk to everyone else.
Maybe doing something about bullying might help, too. Putting up with a$$hole$ for hours and hours a day can push kids over the edge.
I've a strong suspicion most of the bullies are also kids who'd rather not be in school, and are getting no benefit from it. Allowing them to exit the system is one instantly effective way to prevent them victimizing other students.
...and just FYI I am one of three people in my family who hold a GED instead of a high school diploma. It has not been a significant employment obstacle for any of us.
A GED does still testify to having to have proven a certain level of ability.
For a 13 yr. old with a grade 8 (and usually little family support) in an urban centre, the most likely place they will end up is in criminal activity. As either the target or as a perpetrator.
Tell me how this child, who has no interest in an education and likely no aptitude for it either, will be prevented from engaging in criminal activity by being forced to remain in school for four more years.
This is a claim that demands evidence. What I've seen in reports on the subject indicates that such kids often have their first contact with drugs and gangs *at school*.
Yarrow, I think you are simply itching to justify your own situation.
There is far more to this than the supposed explanations you are tossing off.
Get back to the topic at hand. School shootings. These are NOT caused by compulsory education after grade 8.
Sure. There are probably many contributors: poor parenting, drugs (legal and illegal), abuse, and self-reinforcing online communities that encourage dysfunctional behavior...
What I'm asserting is that allowing these kids, who are not receiving any benefit from continued school attendance, to simply NOT BE AT SCHOOL, would very nearly (not entirely) eliminate school shootings. In the vast majority of cases, the targets of the attacks are the people the shooter was forced, against his will, to spend much of his time with. High school shouldn't be the only option.
Not sure, but I don’t remember this happening when I was a teen. Could be the regular paddling handed out by teachers and punches handed out by other kids when someone misbehaved.
I got paddled first day of first grade. Makes an impression….
The school system was created to make good factory workers and provide jobs for useless bloated administrators. The very heart of our managerial state is the school system. The more useless it is, the better it's doing its job. "Leviathan and it's enemies" is a good book on this subject.
This is a good idea
The media exists to manufacture consent.
They are simply there to tell the D's and our overlords what is acceptable to think. Trust is immaterial because the elite and those benefited from government largesse, corporate interests and higher educational system- are still getting the messages (narrative) from the media.
Why else would they not be concerned about the lowest historical levels of trust with the public? Perhaps it's because this actually reinforces the message to the elites and power brokers in D.C. that the FAR- FAR-FAR Right is a threat to democracy? Maybe it's just to keep them all in alignment, ergo "consensus"; aka; groupthink - if not they may be excommunicated from the tribe....which overrides curiosity or the desire to seek The Truth. To do otherwise they risk careers and sinecures.
The ventriloquist (MSM) are simply telling "the blob" (sprawling government/bureaucrats) and other decision makers (corporate influence/lobbyists) what is safe to think in order for all these robber barons to take bed with the government, at the expense of our individual sovereignty, penalty free, for the mutual benefit of those three parties to feast on a middle class carcass.
This is 20 years old but a wonderful and enlightening interview with Thomas Sowell.
youtube.com/watch?v=waEc4YbQQX0
That was truly outstanding. I think the interviewer got more of an education from Mr. Sowell, then anybody in the audience.
"The media exists to manufacture consent."
Brilliant and succinct.
How depressing is it to know so many proactively want to believe the worst of selected people? Where in the hell is Galt's Gulch, or at least a place where normalcy (usually only a setting on a washer) reigns?
Thank you, Ryan!
I just checked. My wash machine has no "Normal" setting. Mine has Whites: Heavy, Medium, Light. And - Colors: Light, Delicates, Casuals, Bulky. My gosh! My washing machine is racist!
🤣
It's projection, used as a coping mechanism and a weapon.
Projection often occurs unconsciously, allowing a person to distance themselves from aspects of their personality (or center of gravity narrative) that they find uncomfortable or undesirable. While projection can serves as a vehicle to protect one’s self-image, it also inadvertently reveals a great deal about the projector's difficulties. For example, it often shows that they are less self-aware and less able to regulate their emotions or accept their own bad decisions.
It offers insights into others' inner conflicts, insecurities, and unacknowledged desires. They may unconsciously assume that everyone thinks exactly as they do. Many of us do the same thing:
this is human nature; we presume assumptions about what other people think without challenging our own processes.
"Mind reading" is pretty easy; just learn how to recognize projection.
RG, you have thought this through and quite accurately imho. That is what mature people do but I don't seem to see that in a large swath of the population. Not that they are evil but more governed by what you cite as Inner conflicts, insecurities etc, they impress me as progeny of the media. I don't have a cure so....
The Baffling will continue....:)
They are all in it together. Mass media has been the tool of propagandists since it first became available. It reinforces groupthink to millions of people at once.
Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.
- Joseph Goebbels
The Mighty Wurlitzer
agreed ... there to manufacture consent. They're also there to manufacture division. JD Vance is an asset of the cabal who's heavily invested in the "pandemic preparedness" racket. Trump is playing the populist role while standing by the globalist depopulation DOD-executed "covid" op OWS. It's time to stop putting trust in designated "heroes." Bilderberg Groupies fund both Trump and "Harris."
My take: https://suzanneokeeffe.substack.com/p/the-half-truth-challenge-round
Indeed. “Bolster security,” my *ss.
Perfect timing you got here with the current pile-on Darryl Cooper is getting from the morons over at The Free Press, plus Alex Berenson and Jordan Schachtel, each of whom is proud to be an investigative journalist and yet they both are insisting that Cooper is a Nazi apologist and Jew-hater.
Every word. We each better make sure we track down every word before we go red behind the eyes about anything.
72 hour rule. Wait 72 hours to see what falls out before believing anything and making your own opinion. Then always be prepared to change it depending on new information. Now, in the era of AIs "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see" needs to be seriously reexamined. It may become "believe nothing".
"Believe nothing" is an excellent place to start. None of us are new-hatched eggs and we should not act like them in anything.
I don’t know anything about this man, but I was sceptical of the lashing he was receiving about being some kind of Jew hating nut job. My first innstinct was that I needed to do a lot more investigating about what actually went on in ww2 and the holocaust. I’ve seen a few videos that put into question everything that’s been taught about the holocaust, but never did a real deep dive. Now I know that is exactly what I have to do.
Agree.
Maybe the victors of WW1 have some blame for unnecessarily crushing the German people and their economy, almost out of sheer spite?
Which begs the question:
Would we even have had WW2 and the associated atrocities (or Hitlers rise to power) committed if we had not punished the Germans so severely?
Perhaps I'm playing arm chair QB...but still....I don't think (and they should have) anyone involved with the Versailles Treaty thought about the obvious potential for unintended consequences
Well, sometimes people perfectly deserve lashings. The point is to determine that for oneself.
I found Martyr Made on Twitter/X in the days when it was the breadcrumb trail to Substack for me, and Cooper often posted enough paragraphs of his Substack pieces there for me to really want to read them, and I remarked to him on Twitter/X that I was grateful for the little taste I got, not being in a position to subscribe, and he comped me, which I thought (as it was!) extremely gracious and generous.
So after a year of free reads, I then converted to paid because it was in my view really worth the money and it would've been churlish not to.
Someone had pointed me to the podcast where he explained the meaning of his Substack's name and that was extremely moving. He is not in the least the cartoonish villain being painted by Alex and Jordan who ought really to know better and who degrade themselves in this matter. When one's reputation is built on rigorous research one should not piss on one's own head.
A lot of knee-jerk reactions from people who have not actually watched the interview in its entirety. Tucker provides a platform and I see him as a free speech absolutist. He also interviewed Chris Cuomo, a very strange in-character Kevin Spacey and, of course, Vladimir Putin.
I don't watch Tucker. Yet another guy utterly fucked up by his parents. Enough of 'em all over the news already.
But I do subscribe to Martyr Made and he is a remarkable, careful, thorough and perceptive historian and essayist, and I think I'd notice if his personal religious convictions happened to taint his work.
You need to pick up a copy of Tuckers book, The Long Slide. He wasn’t messed up by his parents, he is what we now call “free range children, the 80’s called them “latch key kids.” This book is hilarious!
I don't watch Tucker much, just a handful of selected interviews, and I know nothing about his background. His manner just annoys me. However, the ones I have watched, at least he mostly shuts up and lets the guest talk.
The human condition requires being fucked up by your parents to some degree. I trust your judgment regarding Martyr Made.
His stuff is paywalled so you can't browse. But he's one of the few I find worth paying for.
I recently read an article (by Chris Bray I think) that the media doesn’t care if people (i.e. the proles) don’t trust it since its purpose is to tell “the opinion leaders” what to think, or at least say, and not to inform the public.
It might have been Jeff Childers: https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/the-orthodox-express-thursday-september
.... and yet another school-shooting...
Want to prevent it ??
BAN antidepressants and gender-drugs from the market !!
N O W !!
And think about eliminating the childhood vaccine schedule
BINGO !!!
Step by step, there are about 78 different substances right now ...
Trouble is, who is going to do the banning? When the authorities are all on the Democrat/WOKE side? They consider it to their benefit to find paying customers for those drugs.
This deadly problem the public has goes deep, very deep right into Big-Pharma's head-quarters .
Maybe, the US bans some other "things" before ??? How about something like lobbying elected officials ...
The first thing the US needs to do is to have a sane and non-WOKE individual in the White House. Trump is far closer to that than Harris. She is a big part of the problem.
And the states have to get onboard to the extent they can. These changes will ultimately need to be done at those levels. But the energy both to vote in the right people, and to engage in grassroots activism, comes from the population.
Of course Big Pharma is a major threat. We learned that during COVID Mania.
BINGO !!!
Interesting times ahead ...
Our "media" is a [level 9 expletive] joke. See "popping noises heard at PA rally," "Kamala announces revolutionary no-taxes-on-tips plan," or my personal favorite, "Kamala Harris is ready to lead our military."
https://jennasside.rocks/p/the-popping-noises-heard-round-the
https://jennasside.rocks/p/the-art-of-the-steal
https://jennasside.rocks/p/holding-out-for-a-hero
Not to go all boomer on ya (like I have a choice), but school shootings weren't a thing when I was a kid, and it's not because there were fewer guns. There was the Texas clock tower shooting at a university, then nothing I recall until Columbine. Something bad happened to Americans, and we need to find out what it is.
The only remotely similar thing I can remember:
https://www.history.com/news/extra-strength-tylenol-poisonings-1982
Like I said, remotely. This was horrifying back in the 80s, now it might not make the news.
The Tylenol poisoning is the reason there are safety caps and seals on everything, which is fine with me. There are a lot of weird people out there. But my elementary school didn't have locked doors during school hours, or security guards, or metal detectors. That would have been considered dystopian fiction. Something is wrong with us. RFK Jr is the first person I ever heard even acknowledge that there is a problem with our environment, and I think he put his finger on some of the causes, but not all.
Good point
90% of the media thinks that Trump = Hitler and/or is an existential threat to "democracy". That tells you all you need to know about how untrustworthy and biased they are.
How about focusing on why are some kids are so F’d up they even contemplate doing these things.
It’s not the gun. It’s the person holding it that makes all the difference.
Exactly. Kids should not hate everything and everyone and themselves this much. That's the problem.
I might not win but I can place or show in a “Hate the Media” contest….. so when Trump by invitation goes to Arlington to honor the soldiers massacred in Afghanistan it’s a “ political stunt” …but when the Democrats and media minions intentionally misquote Vance, it’s not a political stunt…. SSDD …I viscerally hate the media. And sorry Dad, I know I’m not supposed to hate anyone, but chumps have earned it!
Jeff Childers in his Coffee and Covid substack yesterday argued that the media's obvious and repeatedly echoed lies are aimed solely at the left with the intent to feed them their beliefs. The media don't care about anyonr but their adherents nor expect anyone else to believe the lies. They just need their own army of believers parroting the lies to each other. That's why trying to reason with a Harris support is futile. They now all believe JD Vance considers school shootings a fact of life. And your Harris voting cousin will tell you that, and won't listen to the truth because all the media voices are in unison.
It goes back to the subject I harp on so much. Totalitarianism. Which is a psychological condition, actually, that just happens to hit some political groups. Although it hits many other types of dysfunctional groups too.
It is a behaviour pattern within mankind, given specific circumstances. The pattern can repeat in any time or place. Once you can see two or three points in the pattern....you can be fairly certain the rest is coming, unless things change from the side of the targets.
Every election season becomes an opportunity for D’s to make gun control and/or abortion an election issue, distracting people from the disasters our government has wrought. Every time.
If abortions were performed with AR-15s, would democrats still support gun control? Hmm…
You'd get Tarantino's support
It is nigh impossible to have enough contempt for the corporate press.