In February 2020, I bought a polycarbonate full-face mask, with rubber seals on the side and two P-100 cartridges. The mask was designed for workers in dangerous environments such as painting cars or working around toxic fumes. I mostly bought it to create optionality, e.g., they were selling out fast, and I figured it'd be better to be out the money than need it and not have it. That mask would indeed have protected me, but I ended up never wearing it.
One, especially in the early days, the mask would likely have terrified those around me. Two, even at the time, it vaguely smacked of overkill. Finally, after a couple of months I decided that this plague wasn't quite as bad as the news mis-leadia would have had me believe.
I also haven't forgotten that the government's first (and correct) response was that masks weren't going to do any good. Then it was, well, ok, but they're just basically portable sneeze-guards. Now they've migrated into, "any old piece of cloth, no matter how loosely fitted, is essential to saving your life."
I kind of think masks may be making things worse. I know a lot of folks who have misplaced confidence in them, and I suspect it makes them take more risks than they'd take if they went maskless.
Just watch people in public wear them. They are CONSTANTLY fucking with them, transferring whatever germs are on their hands onto their masks. Every 30 seconds or so........
That's what the Danish study found "makes it worse". Masks 101 teaches never touch the mask, treat it as hazardous. The surface holds bad stuff. Oh wait, we never got taught Mask 101.
Yep!! People untrained in PPE, should not wear it. The mishandling of masks and the wearing of latex gloves at the grocery store to food shop is an abhorrent misuse of PPE. Love the way you stated it!
A basic engineering analysis of masks shows that one of the most likely outcomes of wearing them is to "make it worse," due to the damned-near unavoidable culturing of virus and bacteria--that otherwise would be outside your body--near your nose and mouth! On the list of, "Things to Never Do During a Respiratory Pandemic" universal masking might be in the top five. Unclear whether, "universal vaccination with a leaky vaccine," is under it or above it.
Anyone who wears a mask with glasses knows the vapor droplets everyone is crazed over “contaminating the air with viral matter” just needs to notice the fogging of the glasses during exhalation. Yep, really stopped the airborne droplets didn’t it? Masks are right up there in the safe and effective category as the jabs and social distancing and quarantine and the list goes in and on.
For a living I install commercial HVAC. I have built countless surgical theaters, clean rooms for various industries, and quite a few Nuclear, Biological, and Chemically protected buildings and bunkers for the US government agencies. I have informed countless people that masks do not work. CRICKETTS or I am lying, or the government knows better. Stupid is as stupid does. There comes a time when you shut the fuck up and let the fools kill themselves and their children and not involve yourself in their suicide.
I am hopeful that younger children will be resilient enough to escape long term damage. As we give them a "booster" every four months that hope evaporates
The surgical mask is a cough shield, just like when mommy would say “Johnny, cover your mouth when you cough, you re spreading germs”. Same thing but, its always reducing spread by slowing the velocity and dispersing your exhaled breath around the mask edges somewhat while you wear it vs propelling your possibly contaminated breath deeper into the rooms surroundings. If everyone “covers their mouth” like mommy directed then everyone in that room has a much better chance of not contaminating others.
The N-95 masks strong rubber bands hold the mask uncomfortably against the face and will create a tight seal forcing all of an inhaled breath to enter through the mask. The mask is constructed of 3 layers, the outer and inner give it the rigidity and strength to withstand the pulling of the rubber bands plus keeps the mask off the surface of your face.
The masks center woven core is actually statically charged and the work horse of the mask, like an electrostatic air filter for central HVAC systems used by people with allergies, this static electrically charged core actually attracts the virus and grabs it, trapping it in the woven layer—95% of the time.
The mask unfortunately loses its static charge because of moisture created by the wearers exhaled breath so over a unknown, presumably short period of time it begins to lose it effectiveness.
This is why you see Health Care wearing N95s and why they are in high demand by them and some in the general population who know the differences in mask efficacy, Fauci lied to the world on purpose day one saying we did not need a mask because he wanted Health Care to have time to scoop up all the N95s available and why cargo planes filled to the top are still to this day bringing loads of masks into the U S from China.
Virus or no virus,,,, no matter what side you believe this is the differences in the two mask systems.
I worked in an industrial environment where depending on the process going on at the moment, N95's were mandatory. Out in the general population they will not work. Are all men with beards and mustaches going to shave them off? Not to mention all those with all kinds of body piercings? Who is going to 'enforce' this? The police? The minimum wage worker at an entrance to where ever? Who's going to train the general public or the enforcers? And why should any of this even be a consideration now that omicron is dominant and is reported to be no worse than a cold?
Your last point exactly. This is all just theoretical fillyfallying. Who cares? The cat is out the bag. The hen is out the coop. It's endemic, and it's hanging around. Make friends while you can still set terms, or stay on an island for the rest of your life.
They've been provided in this very thread in addition to all the evidence you reject in the original posting because it doesn't agree with your biases. The ONLY studies that have found significant effectiveness of N95 respirators in preventing viral transmission of respiratory disease are the BS laboratory experiments that you favor, most likely because government funding for those things has provided your income for 30 years.
Jaz, where were you or at least the experts like you last year when all this was starting? N95's and similar masks were in use and well documented at the time. Here in Canada at least, our 'top' public health official advised strongly against mask wearing including N95's. As I understand it and I believe British data backs me up, the initial variant was the most lethal, delta was less severe and now omicron is being reported as no worse that having a cold. Our public officials never did have any good ideas but had to be seen as 'doing something'. So they've been doing whatever looks/sounds good and keeps them electable. Science has been deified, prostituted and politicized.
I'm sorry but this entire push to N95's seems to me as nothing more than grasping at straws, extending the panic mode and just plain fear mongering. I think the little boy cried wolf 1 too many times. At least for me.
Hey, if you wrap yourself in a human size condom, there will be zero particles going in or out. Have you thought of that? How about you stop telling people what to do? What's next? We ban cars because people die in car accidents? or stop going outside because something can happen when you are out? (I can go on) Life is full of risks and contracting a virus with a 99.999% (whatever that percentage is) survival rate is the least of them (it's not even a real risk as far as life risks go). WHETHER MASKS WORK OR NOT IS TRULLY IRRELEVANT. DO NOT BE LIKE THIS MAN, DON'T BE A DUMBASS AND DON'T WEAR A MASK
"if N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner in these studies"
Key word "disciplined manner". Medical providers use n-95 protection against airborne pathogens, but we must be fit-tested annually. The mask must fit so airtightly that one cannot smell (or taste) a peppermint fragrance sprayed into the testing chamber. Not all providers pass the fit test; some have to use a different style mask to get an airtight fit or a more elaborate and expensive PAPR- powered air purifying respirator (looks like an astronaut suit).
So technically you are right but this is not a practical solution for the entire population! As a nurse I would wear the n-95 as briefly as possible in and out of the "airborne precaution" room and could hardly wait to get it off. Perhaps the PAPR are more comfortable for longer wear (???) but they are noisy and expensive.
You nailed it. As a health care provider in the VA, we have been receiving N95 masks for years and under go fit testing prior to using. If used frequently, the N95 masks need to regularly replaced, once again with fit testing. The public buying and using N95 masks is a joke without fit testing and a tight seal. The best protection for health care workers working with COVID patients is the PAPR as mentioned above. All the rest is pseudoscience.
The problem is the difference between controlled laboratory studies and actual RCT mass population, real world mask wearing studies. Nobody argues or is arguing that controlled laboratory environments with professional fitting, etc. that N95 masks can reduce viral load in a given and limited vapor expulsion measurement. Here's the problem. In 30 hears of experience working in a lab, you still haven't learned you can't control what happens outside of it as well as you wish you could.
And that's not even getting into the physical and mental health downsides of prolonged wearing or N95 type masks and respirators. You should resist pushing these on all but the most vulnerable who might gain some small net benefit from wearing them.
That's theoretical. In practice, air circumvents the mask edges. Every air particle is not carefully filtered through the mask material, it takes the path of least resistance, which is why glasses fog up. The general population is not composed of surgeons, who self+selected into fields that require masking. Genpop does not have "mask discipline," and for the sliver of marginal benefit, does not want to play along. The truth of public health policy lies in the practicality. This is not practical for most of us. Asymptomatic spread is fiction in all but the vaxxed, another public health policy failure.
well skippy. Pretending to be a scientist fails when you claim "10x less particles" There is no such thing as ten times less of anything. You do not understand math, so you do not understand science. It is 1/10th as many particles.
All "masks" used by real medical professionals (I was one, now retired) in medical settings have PPE guidelines and mandatory QA participation in periodic training (often via CE requirements done via video/online classes).
Ask ANY properly trained medical professional (Surgeon down to MA) we will tell you that if you "touch your mask even ONE time" you have broken PPE mask protocol. We are trained in detail how to properly put on and take off all items of PPE. The general public using these medical PPE devices have zero ability to properly use the "masks". I do not care what type of mask, the general public violates the well established protocols for effective mask use on a consistent basis.
So, when you argue for the use by the general public of KN95, or N95 to control respiratory secretions (nasal / oral) micro or macro without considering the real world truth about what negates any potential effectiveness (touching the mask even once, not proper fitting/testing, use with any facial hair, time worn, repeated use, no proper training, no QA oversight ect), you have ignored the real world application of such medical PPE and that is the problem with commentators like you. You fail to address the important part of "masks", regardless if one is better than the other, NONE of them are being worn and used correctly. NONE!
Your statement is delusional, "overall reduction of spread is the goal" giggle... like when people walk into a restaurant with a mask, then sit down at a table and remove mask for an hour to eat, or walk around the mall with a mask, unless they are eating or drinking while walking, or when you board a plan with a mask on, only to remove it to eat and drink, sitting right next to people, or when you go into a movie theatre with a mask on, only to remove it to eat popcorn and drink.... what fucking world do you live in???? I have been functioning in regular routine society, taking teen kids to school, grocery shopping, eating out, going to events, ect ... I see the real world and how people interact with their "masks" I can assure you, that the vast majority of people are constantly fumbling with their masks and doing all the things I have described above. No one can or will ever convince me, that the general masses of the public benefit AT ALL from wearing ANY face coverings what so ever. You cannot prove "overall reduction of spread" that is a fallacy, in fact, I would argue that masks contribute to the INCREASE of spread because of the vast majority improperly use masks.
Wrong - N95 masks are no better than a cloth diaper. I am a military trained in Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare and I can tell you with confidence that if you don't have a fitted mask that seals to your face and stays that way WITH the appropriate filters then you are wasting your time. The article lists plenty of evidence but for some reason you ignore it and fire off your nonsense post. Time to put away the useless masks and get on with your life. So many places with mask and vaccine mandates and they are still getting Covid like crazy - if masks worked then we would see evidence of it yet we've seen exactly the opposite.
""but if N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner in these studies"".
That's the rub isn't it. First of all, nobody I know has access to N95's. Everyone is wearing cloth or surgical ones if they even bother. 2nd, most people are not wearing any mask in a disciplined manner. Once you start talking those things move around on your face and you have to constantly try to reposition them.
The problem, Jaz, that for some reason people continue to ignore, is that maybe, just maybe, N-95 masks may prevent viral contagion in a setting where there is a known case of someone being infected. So maybe, just maybe, it could make sense to wear a mask if you are in contact with a documented sick person in a hospital setting. But it makes absolutely no sense to wear a mask when walking out in the community when the overwhelming majority of people are not infected and are incapable of transmitting any infection.
Having seen, many times, a single person driving a car while wearing a mask was silly enough, but watching a cyclist on his ten speed bike, ten miles from any civilization made me realize that there are more idiots in the world than i previously thought.
"N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner" - Oh sure. The public will get fitted correctly via the Mask 101 course that isn't being taught. And the public will wear that uncomfortable thing for more than 20 minutes. The N95 is marginally more effective "used in a disciplined manner". That's why in Level 4 labs, you get full rebreathers.
These are the types of studies I've been hoping to find. For the study of N-95 masks, I'm wondering how the study was conducted. How were the samples collected? How long were people breathing in the controlled space? Was the sample collection 3ft in front or 3ft in all directions?
Also, I've worked in biologics. It has been about 15 yrs, but we never used masks in any of the cell culture work. I can't envision a process in which you would rely on masks as a primary method of reducing contamination. Or even a secondary method.
So if the masks work, why don't they work??? According to you, no one who wears a mask could be getting or spreading the virus! Uh, we know that's NOT true...
Jaz. Thx for putting this out there. Like many respondents have stated, there’s a big difference between a laboratory experiment versus humans living in the real social world. Humans need to eat, be athletic without a mask, sleep at night/whenever without a mask, shower/shave/bath/swim/etc. without a mask. Transmission is going to happen, and likely by design, we might even need viruses to survive on this planet. Lots of scientific articles supporting evolution of humans/mammals through viral activity (such as the formation of the placenta). IE:
"Nevertheless, high-efficiency masks, such as the KN95, still offer substantially higher apparent filtration efficiencies (60% and 46% for R95 and KN95 masks, respectively) than the more commonly used cloth (10%) and surgical masks (12%), and therefore are still the recommended choice in mitigating airborne disease transmission indoors."
Isn’t it incredible that two years on there is still debate on this point? My experts vs. your experts, my study vs. your study, cloth mask vs medical mask etc. it’s like everyone’s collective IQ dropped precipitously. Wearing a literal mask all day, especially for children was the most evil, dehumanizing idea anyone has ever had and the fact that so many people blindly fell for it is most astounding to me.
Once the lunacy of the mask issue crashes in utter failure the wanna-be authorities will come up with something else. Zoot suits? Head globes? 9 foot social distancing? 25 day quarantine? Disposable clothing? So many marketing ideas.........so little time. One passenger per airplane???? Help me......I’m losing it.
Well...perhaps the fraud Fauci would care to fund a study for you. Since all other studies have shown masks do not slow or stop airborne virus spread you may be the narrative hero.
"if N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner in these studies"
Key word "disciplined manner". Medical providers use n-95 protection against airborne pathogens, but we must be fit-tested annually. The mask must fit so airtightly that one cannot smell (or taste) a peppermint fragrance sprayed into the testing chamber. Not all providers pass the fit test; some have to use a different style mask to get an airtight fit or a more elaborate and expensive PAPR- powered air purifying respirator (looks like an astronaut suit).
So technically you are right but this is not a practical solution for the entire population! As a nurse I would wear the n-95 as briefly as possible in and out of the "airborne precaution" room and could hardly wait to get it off. Perhaps the PAPR are more comfortable for longer wear (???) but they are noisy and expensive.
What happens once the "comparatively massive respiratory particles comprised of a mixture of mucous and salivary proteins, lipids, polysaccharides, etc." land on the mask. Are the viral particles within them instantly neutralised? Or maybe they're captured and stay there permanently? Have you proven they are not then spread as aerosols when the wearer continues to breathe through that mask?
What amazed me about the “pandemic” (but shouldn’t have) is how quickly the left threw its supposed core principles in front of the train.
Masks floating by the billions in the ocean, killing wildlife in unknown numbers? Screw that, I want my “lucky rabbit’s foot” to keep me from getting the sniffles (a.k.a. “Covid”).
People of color in poor regions who haven’t yet had their first “vaccine”? Screw them, gimme my booster and keep ‘em coming. Quarterly, monthly, weekly, daily, I don’t care, pour them into me if you have to.
I guess caring for the planet and standing up for the downtrodden are chickenfeed when faced with the possibility of — gasp — getting a COUGH!
So much backpedaling over the past week. They are running for the exits. These attempts to pawn off their failures by claiming we didn't do it hard enough or well enough will backfire faster and more forcefully than a 50 year old landrover with a leaky carb. Keep the pressure on. We know these folks wouldn't know a carburetor if it bit them in the ass, much less how to fix it.
I am an immigrant from the former Soviet Union, currently residing in California. I so hope you are right. I came to a free country and ended up back ij the Soviet Union. It is so incredibly crushing.
While collecting Newsom recall signatures here in San Francisco, we started realizing that a third of our signers grew up in communist countries. Many of them said "this is how it started" at home. We will continue to fight on your behalf.
You, my friend, should write an essay on what you have seen here that reminds you of living in another authoritarian society.
I have mentioned to people before that a lot of folks who fled these regimes had concerns early on in this pandemic and of course I was informed that that was nonsense.
I just glanced at it. I absolutely will read that tomorrow. It looks intriguing. Really - thank you for sending that to me. These people have a lot of insight in what is happening right now.
my grandparents were polish jews who can from Slonim in 1920. Most of the relatives stayed behind and were murdered. I have letters from them. There are millions of us out here who understand and appreciate how you feel. American can be a shining city on a hill again. Liberty or death!
I have spoken with progressive Americans who assure me that people like you are exaggerating how bad things were. They are always so confident in what they do not know.
Ah, yes, they will make fun - but they can't actually have a conversation with you because they have no idea what's going on. I made a comparison to the "vax passes" being introduced with the current Chinese social credit system. All these blue checks called me a racist, or a Trumper because I was "anti-China". Most of them had no idea that the Chinese social credit system even exists, or that our western "leaders" are trying to push us all onto a similar obedience platform, let alone that our freedoms and rights are GONE if it's imposed on the majority of western society.
Welcome Brahms! America was founded by people who yearned for liberty and i truly believe that immigrants who come here with that same yearning (not to go on the dole) will help lead us out of tyranny. Thank you for standing firm in Cali!
People like you who fled tyranny can be of invaluable help in spreading the word to the unenlightened who simply do not understand the idiocy they are supporting.
What frightens me is that the media and governments throughout the world, owned by the same people, keep plowing ahead with this nonsensical narrative. One must flip the pages of a history book back to the 1930s to see how a tremendous lie, relentlessly pushed, and given the veneer of "science" played out.
Pfzer , moderna and J+J never claimed that the jabs would stop infection and transmission. THe study endpoints were to reduce severe illness and death. But then somehow this message got out that taking a jab would protect others and was a "duty" these same groups didnt go out of their way to clarify the truth. The Us public health establishment stood by while the media spun vaxxes as some religiuous moral obligation , Fauci et al, never stepped in to temper the hysteria. Maybe they were worried that doing do would undermine people's "faith " in vaccines. I would venture that at least this is malpractice because Im sure they understood that these vaxxes were not sterilizing. At worst its a criminal conspiracy to defraud the public
The endpoint of the clinical trials was actually just reduction in mild symptoms; they were not designed to test the effect on severe illness or death.
I saw an historical tweet by the pfizer CEO that did actually make the claim it was 100% sterilising. Aaron Ginn retweeted it a short while ago. It was embedded in a tweet by Jordan Schachtel. Don't know how to add it here, sorry!
While Pfizer might not have said it out loud the government and media did. I remember Biden claiming if you get vaccinated you won’t get Covid. Doctors repeat it like echos still. We live among insane people.
thats right gov and media lied and oversold the vaxxes incessantly and downplayed the role of early treatment, regardless of whether this was out of ignorance , incompetence, corruption or some combination , the fact is that is that gov public health authorities were miserable failures at messaging, and managing just about every aspect of this whole episode. its not different than any thing else gov gets its claws on. The financial system, the educational system. everything gov touches it destroys, the danger here is we are risking having gov destroy the health of an entire society and possibly result in the deaths through incompetence and neglect of millions of people
I certainly hope you are right. Living in covidian cult central in Brooklyn, NYC, it is hard to imagine these mask zombies ever giving up their talisman.
Thank you so much for writing on this ridiculous subject. I hope the following helps rather than harms.
I was told more than a year ago by two American industrial hygienists that there is no mask capable of protection against the virus. The only proper protection is by donning a respirator – as per viral lab. workers.
Apparently, industrial hygienists are regarded as experts by the court system and are qualified to give evidence as such when required.
Their job incorporates matching masks to tasks and teaching doctors how to wear masks and how to breathe with them in situ.
They also warned against the deprivation of oxygen when wearing masks and the increase in CO2 plus various microbial growths in masks (hence chest, mouth and dental infections) that are not changed frequently enough or are used inappropriately.
I seem to remember that long term and inappropriate use of masks can lead to irreversible brain damage.
Btw, I was told that the long-standing OHSA advice was ‘amended’ shortly after the CV pandemic was announced – undermining years of evidence and recommending masks as per ‘The Agenda.’
I seem to recall that the only time it would be prudent to wear a mask would be on a Covid ward where perhaps sputum-laden viruses could theoretically be expelled with some force.
The motives for mandating masks seems to be: compliance with disempowering, sick-making, alienating rituals that constantly remind victims of an ongoing pandemic plus damage to child development, encouragement for social isolation, money-making opportunities for the whole mask-wearing industry and supervision of such plus – one I haven’t checked out yet - the wearing of masks is required for training A.I. for retinal recognition (facial recognition technology being old news).
Perhaps there is a way, short of a hazmat suit, but it still begs the question - should we even be bothering ourselves with this question at this stage? Omicron is mild. It's gone endemic. We've all got a date with it at some point. Why delay the inevitable? Ditch the masks altogether. I would almost argue that it's the duty of all strong and healthy people to get it and then become a true herd member. That is the only way to help the old and weak. And to do it quickly and to do it now while they're all boosted.
This is abject pseudo-science bullshit. The exact opposite is the most likely scenario and the idea that you can achieve herd immunity of a highly mutable, airborne respiratory virus via a mass vaccination strategy with a massively leaky vaccine that wanes quickly is fiction that's already proven itself as such. But 'Mr. 30 years in a lab' here appears immune to something, just not the virus. Immune to reason and evidence. Must be a government "scientist."
What's your argument for why/how Omicron most probably evolved to become vaccine-evasive in...unvaccinated people? What was the nature of the selective pressure there? Just random chance?
He wouldn't have an argument because he doesn't understand what his government funding doesn't pay for. Just rewording a bit, it's not so much that the virus evolved to become vaccine evasive as it is a vaccine evasive mutation was naturally selected because it had a competitive advantage as a result of mass vaccination with leaky vaccine during a period of high infectious pressure in the population.
You must be a Fauci plant. Nothing in this comment makes scientific sense unless you are writing a screen play for Hollywood. You've embarrassed yourself in front of numerous informed sceptics. Please go back to your government funded misinformation job.
Since you stated your expertise was biochemistry, we then know that whatever your thoughts on epidemiology and immunology are NOT your field of expertise.
Ultimately, the most important goal of infection-induced herd immunity is to achieve widespread sterilising immunity while accepting that we will always be a vast breeding ground for the virus.
We can go into nuance about cross-reactive immunity and subsequent exposure, but I'll leave you with that for now. Let it sink in. Accept it. Protect the old and vulnerable like we do every year. Get it over with. You'll probably be fine.
Oh, and don't scapegoat Africa. We're doing just fine. We accept our annual duel with our pathogens and make sure we are strong and topped up with our latest natural updates. We are also not afraid to use therapeutics that real doctors are not afraid to dispense.
"if N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner in these studies"
Key word "disciplined manner". Medical providers use n-95 protection against airborne pathogens, but we must be fit-tested annually. The mask must fit so airtightly that one cannot smell (or taste) a peppermint fragrance sprayed into the testing chamber. Not all providers pass the fit test; some have to use a different style mask to get an airtight fit or a more elaborate and expensive PAPR- powered air purifying respirator (looks like an astronaut suit).
So technically you are right but this is not a practical solution for the entire population! As a nurse I would wear the n-95 as briefly as possible in and out of the "airborne precaution" room and could hardly wait to get it off. Perhaps the PAPR are more comfortable for longer wear (???) but they are noisy and expensive.
for many years before all this insanity there have been some people who have worn the paper masks in public due to health issues. i personally know two of them - a man who has lymphoma and another young man who lost his spleen in an awful car accident when he was a child, and thus has virtually no immune system. both of them have always said that their doctors told them to wear a mask in public for ONE REASON ONLY - as a signal to people around them, to say "sick guy here, please don't crowd me or make me wait..."
their doctors told them that:
1) masks do not prevent them from catching a virus.
2) wearing a mask for any length of time is dangerous as it causes hypoxia and also creates a near perfect breeding ground for bacterial infections, including bacterial pneumonia.
both are very friendly and sociable people. they only ever wore the masks if going to a crowded public place during flu season or when they weren't feeling well. most of the time they're sociable, friendly and always quick with a handshake or a hug.
the people who wear masks as a form of virtue signalling are deeply mistaken. my two friends have lost the only benefit those masks ever gave them because now most everyone is wearing them and they no longer get any of the polite courtesies that made going into crowded public buildings during flu season reasonably safe for them.
nick, the one who was in the car accident, has long been "anti vaxx." he, his wife and his children are all unvaxxed. so they get attacked by the covidians for that too. of course a vaccine wouldn't be a good idea for nick anyway, even if they did work, as he basically has no immune system to begin with.
And some kinds of masks actually can stop certain bacteria that could be detrimental to people with lung issues. I totally agree... as someone who traveled by plane a lot "pre-mask" (I *refuse* to mask for the "privilege" of spending money to fly) we would often see the ocassional mask wearer. I always assumed (and usually rightly so) that they had a condition that made it more important to wear one than not. No one cared. In fact, if it wasn't a cult, I wouldn't care now! But as insane as this has become I get sick to my stomach when I see someone "expressing" their virtue by wearing a giant diaper on their face.
there have been MASSIVE, just massive negative externalities to all these insane mitigation strategies for people with true disabilities. my mother is mostly deaf and relies on reading lips somewhat - all people with hearing problems are basically screwed. they've been isolated / debilitated now for two years and counting due to masks and distancing. that's just one example. I have eyesight so poor I'm legally blind but correctable. I didn't wear a mask from the start because my glasses would fog and I could not see. no one cares, seemingly. just "tough luck for you guys"!!! tough luck for people with autoimmune and other things that preclude them from getting immunized. it's all been completely cruel; still is. I could not be more over it.
One thing I haven't seen yet is anyone posting about how they "wore their diaper" and still got sick. And I can almost be certain that there are millions of those out there. I have mentioned before... I lived a lifetime in an occupation that required masks: The right kind of mask for the right reason at the right time. Training required every year. Fitting etc. People can give me heck all they want for not wearing the diaper. I know the truth and I refuse to be part of the insane "masking ritual" and I also refuse to support any business, neighbor, family member that requires that I "don the diaper" as a signal that I'm part of the club. F em. Just say no to masks!
Masks have always been the most sinister part of this psyop. I have refused to wear one even once and had very few dust ups. I refuse to tell a lie on my face and wear the instrument of fear that has propagated this mess and mentally damaged untold numbers of children and perma-Karens. Finally I feel it is ending.
I'm guessing that the 3-foot measurement was taken in front of the mask? Unless the perimeter of the mask is glued to the face, almost all the breath goes around the mask, i.e. up, down, sideways. So you'd want to take those measurements where the bulk of the exhalation was going.
And if a significant portion of the viral content of someone's exhaled breath were actually bound up in a mixture such as you state, then good citizens wearing the N95 mask would in short order accumulate a damp mat of pathogen-laden goo in front of their faceholes, clogging the mask and keeping the exhaled undesirables at hand for re-aspiration, which I'm guessing is not an adaptation that natural selection would favor. This adding to the fact that the majority of the breath is going everywhere but through the mask material.
Masks are more pernicious than most people realize. Masks ARE the point -- one of the major tools to drive the social attractor into a low empathy state, which then makes labor exploitation far more possible, and probable. Masks will be the last thing the low empathy crowd lets go of. https://empathy.guru/2021/07/19/the-structural-memetics-of-masks/
here in Norther NJ, my neighbor across the street brings her trash can out the curb alone in the evening along with a mask on. She's in her early 50s and health. ( i know for sure)
Thats being charitable. More like effing psycho retard . Their brains have been short-circuited by fear. They need anti psychotic meds and a week in an inpatient psychiatric ward
And then courses in remedial critical thinking.
In the fall there were kids riding bikes to school alone w masks on. There Are still people out walking their dogs alone w masks on. If I go to a market or big box store in 10 minutes i hear 8 vaccine ads. I feel like im walking through a cloud of diesel smoke the propaganda and hysteria is heroic!
The wearing of a mask is a lot like socialism. It doesn't work but not because the system is not sustainable (doesn't actually do what is claimed) but because you are not wearing it correctly, it is not the right shape, is not worn often enough or in the right places and finally because the right person has not told you to wear one yet.
And "not enough people are wearing them". That one always floors me. Especially last year when finding someone *without* the diaper was nearly impossible.
If masks worked, government would be falling all over itself to create standardized mask rules. Instead they all still claim strapping anything to your face is good enough.
And because neither masks nor jabs stop the virus from circulating through the population, it will have just as many chances to mutate -- with special pressure now AWAY from the protection that the jab provides.
And what viruses do best is mutate into LESS dangerous variants, because that's how they spread more effectively. This is exactly what we expect and exactly what happened.
Masking people is a PsyOp, designed to keep everyone fearful and alert for a hazard which is non-existent. The mask is the symbol that maintains the illusion we are still in the midst of a "pandemic."
Hint: we never were.
The primary reason that the powers that be (all of them are criminals) need to keep this illusion going is to keep the EUA in place. Without the EUA in place liability issues surrounding the experimental injections become a real problem for Pharma- they know this and have prepared for it.
Once the EUA disappears the drive to "sell" the jab dissipates, the smoke will be cleared and more people will see the damage done. Adverse events from these monstrosities being injected into people are going to be impossible to deny and will be ongoing for years. The false flag "emergency" serves to cover this up for the time being.
Where I live the masking is worse than ever. As I'm in stores it is common that I will be the only without a face diaper. Most of these people are hyper-educated and clinically insane.
I saw a video done by epidemiologist fog his glasses wearing 7 masks. The response was well he’s a veterinarian virologist. My response was don’t they test these viruses using bats? Unfortunately, while my Dad’s generation was the greatest generation, mine and our progeny seem to be the lamest generation. I’ve never seen so many uninformed cowards in my life. They are as afraid of virus as much as they are of the truth.
I’m guessing that water vapor from your breath is coming out as droplets not single molecules. SARS-19 is .1 micron which could be contained within a water droplet.
But if the government really believes that N95 masks do work, why not distribute them and encourage obese diabetics to wear one to protect themselves. Ie protect themselves. Protect themselves. Get it? Protect yourself. Leave me out of it.
The nose only masks look great - but they should be bright red.
All of the other reindeer used to laugh and call him names.
This is 2021.
That's racist.
In February 2020, I bought a polycarbonate full-face mask, with rubber seals on the side and two P-100 cartridges. The mask was designed for workers in dangerous environments such as painting cars or working around toxic fumes. I mostly bought it to create optionality, e.g., they were selling out fast, and I figured it'd be better to be out the money than need it and not have it. That mask would indeed have protected me, but I ended up never wearing it.
One, especially in the early days, the mask would likely have terrified those around me. Two, even at the time, it vaguely smacked of overkill. Finally, after a couple of months I decided that this plague wasn't quite as bad as the news mis-leadia would have had me believe.
I also haven't forgotten that the government's first (and correct) response was that masks weren't going to do any good. Then it was, well, ok, but they're just basically portable sneeze-guards. Now they've migrated into, "any old piece of cloth, no matter how loosely fitted, is essential to saving your life."
I kind of think masks may be making things worse. I know a lot of folks who have misplaced confidence in them, and I suspect it makes them take more risks than they'd take if they went maskless.
I kind of think masks may be making things worse.
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Just watch people in public wear them. They are CONSTANTLY fucking with them, transferring whatever germs are on their hands onto their masks. Every 30 seconds or so........
That's what the Danish study found "makes it worse". Masks 101 teaches never touch the mask, treat it as hazardous. The surface holds bad stuff. Oh wait, we never got taught Mask 101.
Yep!! People untrained in PPE, should not wear it. The mishandling of masks and the wearing of latex gloves at the grocery store to food shop is an abhorrent misuse of PPE. Love the way you stated it!
A basic engineering analysis of masks shows that one of the most likely outcomes of wearing them is to "make it worse," due to the damned-near unavoidable culturing of virus and bacteria--that otherwise would be outside your body--near your nose and mouth! On the list of, "Things to Never Do During a Respiratory Pandemic" universal masking might be in the top five. Unclear whether, "universal vaccination with a leaky vaccine," is under it or above it.
Anyone who wears a mask with glasses knows the vapor droplets everyone is crazed over “contaminating the air with viral matter” just needs to notice the fogging of the glasses during exhalation. Yep, really stopped the airborne droplets didn’t it? Masks are right up there in the safe and effective category as the jabs and social distancing and quarantine and the list goes in and on.
Masks are required to teach people to obey Marxists, who will always torture the masses with stupidity.
We have the winner for today!
And make a honking sound when you squeeze them or sneeze.
lmbo
Would go even better if they we’re driving around in a clown car.
HONK
For a living I install commercial HVAC. I have built countless surgical theaters, clean rooms for various industries, and quite a few Nuclear, Biological, and Chemically protected buildings and bunkers for the US government agencies. I have informed countless people that masks do not work. CRICKETTS or I am lying, or the government knows better. Stupid is as stupid does. There comes a time when you shut the fuck up and let the fools kill themselves and their children and not involve yourself in their suicide.
We should always stand up for children, no matter who their parents are.
I am hopeful that younger children will be resilient enough to escape long term damage. As we give them a "booster" every four months that hope evaporates
Thank you, #TruthBeTold
The surgical mask is a cough shield, just like when mommy would say “Johnny, cover your mouth when you cough, you re spreading germs”. Same thing but, its always reducing spread by slowing the velocity and dispersing your exhaled breath around the mask edges somewhat while you wear it vs propelling your possibly contaminated breath deeper into the rooms surroundings. If everyone “covers their mouth” like mommy directed then everyone in that room has a much better chance of not contaminating others.
The N-95 masks strong rubber bands hold the mask uncomfortably against the face and will create a tight seal forcing all of an inhaled breath to enter through the mask. The mask is constructed of 3 layers, the outer and inner give it the rigidity and strength to withstand the pulling of the rubber bands plus keeps the mask off the surface of your face.
The masks center woven core is actually statically charged and the work horse of the mask, like an electrostatic air filter for central HVAC systems used by people with allergies, this static electrically charged core actually attracts the virus and grabs it, trapping it in the woven layer—95% of the time.
The mask unfortunately loses its static charge because of moisture created by the wearers exhaled breath so over a unknown, presumably short period of time it begins to lose it effectiveness.
This is why you see Health Care wearing N95s and why they are in high demand by them and some in the general population who know the differences in mask efficacy, Fauci lied to the world on purpose day one saying we did not need a mask because he wanted Health Care to have time to scoop up all the N95s available and why cargo planes filled to the top are still to this day bringing loads of masks into the U S from China.
Virus or no virus,,,, no matter what side you believe this is the differences in the two mask systems.
And yet, hundreds of studies over several decades show ZERO significance in stopping viral transmission between humans, so there's that...
I worked in an industrial environment where depending on the process going on at the moment, N95's were mandatory. Out in the general population they will not work. Are all men with beards and mustaches going to shave them off? Not to mention all those with all kinds of body piercings? Who is going to 'enforce' this? The police? The minimum wage worker at an entrance to where ever? Who's going to train the general public or the enforcers? And why should any of this even be a consideration now that omicron is dominant and is reported to be no worse than a cold?
Your last point exactly. This is all just theoretical fillyfallying. Who cares? The cat is out the bag. The hen is out the coop. It's endemic, and it's hanging around. Make friends while you can still set terms, or stay on an island for the rest of your life.
N95s are designed to only filter inhalation anyway and not exhalation. So there is no “unselfish” reason to wear one.
here's one! N95 masks no better than surgical masks at preventing flu in healthcare personnel
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214
They've been provided in this very thread in addition to all the evidence you reject in the original posting because it doesn't agree with your biases. The ONLY studies that have found significant effectiveness of N95 respirators in preventing viral transmission of respiratory disease are the BS laboratory experiments that you favor, most likely because government funding for those things has provided your income for 30 years.
OK, I stand corrected on the government funding part.
Jaz, where were you or at least the experts like you last year when all this was starting? N95's and similar masks were in use and well documented at the time. Here in Canada at least, our 'top' public health official advised strongly against mask wearing including N95's. As I understand it and I believe British data backs me up, the initial variant was the most lethal, delta was less severe and now omicron is being reported as no worse that having a cold. Our public officials never did have any good ideas but had to be seen as 'doing something'. So they've been doing whatever looks/sounds good and keeps them electable. Science has been deified, prostituted and politicized.
I'm sorry but this entire push to N95's seems to me as nothing more than grasping at straws, extending the panic mode and just plain fear mongering. I think the little boy cried wolf 1 too many times. At least for me.
Hey, if you wrap yourself in a human size condom, there will be zero particles going in or out. Have you thought of that? How about you stop telling people what to do? What's next? We ban cars because people die in car accidents? or stop going outside because something can happen when you are out? (I can go on) Life is full of risks and contracting a virus with a 99.999% (whatever that percentage is) survival rate is the least of them (it's not even a real risk as far as life risks go). WHETHER MASKS WORK OR NOT IS TRULLY IRRELEVANT. DO NOT BE LIKE THIS MAN, DON'T BE A DUMBASS AND DON'T WEAR A MASK
"if N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner in these studies"
Key word "disciplined manner". Medical providers use n-95 protection against airborne pathogens, but we must be fit-tested annually. The mask must fit so airtightly that one cannot smell (or taste) a peppermint fragrance sprayed into the testing chamber. Not all providers pass the fit test; some have to use a different style mask to get an airtight fit or a more elaborate and expensive PAPR- powered air purifying respirator (looks like an astronaut suit).
So technically you are right but this is not a practical solution for the entire population! As a nurse I would wear the n-95 as briefly as possible in and out of the "airborne precaution" room and could hardly wait to get it off. Perhaps the PAPR are more comfortable for longer wear (???) but they are noisy and expensive.
You nailed it. As a health care provider in the VA, we have been receiving N95 masks for years and under go fit testing prior to using. If used frequently, the N95 masks need to regularly replaced, once again with fit testing. The public buying and using N95 masks is a joke without fit testing and a tight seal. The best protection for health care workers working with COVID patients is the PAPR as mentioned above. All the rest is pseudoscience.
The problem is the difference between controlled laboratory studies and actual RCT mass population, real world mask wearing studies. Nobody argues or is arguing that controlled laboratory environments with professional fitting, etc. that N95 masks can reduce viral load in a given and limited vapor expulsion measurement. Here's the problem. In 30 hears of experience working in a lab, you still haven't learned you can't control what happens outside of it as well as you wish you could.
And that's not even getting into the physical and mental health downsides of prolonged wearing or N95 type masks and respirators. You should resist pushing these on all but the most vulnerable who might gain some small net benefit from wearing them.
Amen 🙏 thank you, real world vs controlled lab study... #RealityCheck ;)
That's theoretical. In practice, air circumvents the mask edges. Every air particle is not carefully filtered through the mask material, it takes the path of least resistance, which is why glasses fog up. The general population is not composed of surgeons, who self+selected into fields that require masking. Genpop does not have "mask discipline," and for the sliver of marginal benefit, does not want to play along. The truth of public health policy lies in the practicality. This is not practical for most of us. Asymptomatic spread is fiction in all but the vaxxed, another public health policy failure.
well skippy. Pretending to be a scientist fails when you claim "10x less particles" There is no such thing as ten times less of anything. You do not understand math, so you do not understand science. It is 1/10th as many particles.
And do the “particles” just disappear around a N-95 mask?? Acne can do that to finding a dance partner, but really???
All "masks" used by real medical professionals (I was one, now retired) in medical settings have PPE guidelines and mandatory QA participation in periodic training (often via CE requirements done via video/online classes).
Ask ANY properly trained medical professional (Surgeon down to MA) we will tell you that if you "touch your mask even ONE time" you have broken PPE mask protocol. We are trained in detail how to properly put on and take off all items of PPE. The general public using these medical PPE devices have zero ability to properly use the "masks". I do not care what type of mask, the general public violates the well established protocols for effective mask use on a consistent basis.
So, when you argue for the use by the general public of KN95, or N95 to control respiratory secretions (nasal / oral) micro or macro without considering the real world truth about what negates any potential effectiveness (touching the mask even once, not proper fitting/testing, use with any facial hair, time worn, repeated use, no proper training, no QA oversight ect), you have ignored the real world application of such medical PPE and that is the problem with commentators like you. You fail to address the important part of "masks", regardless if one is better than the other, NONE of them are being worn and used correctly. NONE!
Your statement is delusional, "overall reduction of spread is the goal" giggle... like when people walk into a restaurant with a mask, then sit down at a table and remove mask for an hour to eat, or walk around the mall with a mask, unless they are eating or drinking while walking, or when you board a plan with a mask on, only to remove it to eat and drink, sitting right next to people, or when you go into a movie theatre with a mask on, only to remove it to eat popcorn and drink.... what fucking world do you live in???? I have been functioning in regular routine society, taking teen kids to school, grocery shopping, eating out, going to events, ect ... I see the real world and how people interact with their "masks" I can assure you, that the vast majority of people are constantly fumbling with their masks and doing all the things I have described above. No one can or will ever convince me, that the general masses of the public benefit AT ALL from wearing ANY face coverings what so ever. You cannot prove "overall reduction of spread" that is a fallacy, in fact, I would argue that masks contribute to the INCREASE of spread because of the vast majority improperly use masks.
Wrong - N95 masks are no better than a cloth diaper. I am a military trained in Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare and I can tell you with confidence that if you don't have a fitted mask that seals to your face and stays that way WITH the appropriate filters then you are wasting your time. The article lists plenty of evidence but for some reason you ignore it and fire off your nonsense post. Time to put away the useless masks and get on with your life. So many places with mask and vaccine mandates and they are still getting Covid like crazy - if masks worked then we would see evidence of it yet we've seen exactly the opposite.
""but if N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner in these studies"".
That's the rub isn't it. First of all, nobody I know has access to N95's. Everyone is wearing cloth or surgical ones if they even bother. 2nd, most people are not wearing any mask in a disciplined manner. Once you start talking those things move around on your face and you have to constantly try to reposition them.
"If communism were done correctly, it would work." Same school of thought, with the same results. Jaz is but another true believer.
N95 masks no better than surgical masks at preventing flu in healthcare personnel
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214 There's also the real-world tests in Berlin and Bavaria.
The problem, Jaz, that for some reason people continue to ignore, is that maybe, just maybe, N-95 masks may prevent viral contagion in a setting where there is a known case of someone being infected. So maybe, just maybe, it could make sense to wear a mask if you are in contact with a documented sick person in a hospital setting. But it makes absolutely no sense to wear a mask when walking out in the community when the overwhelming majority of people are not infected and are incapable of transmitting any infection.
There is no evidence "asymptomatic" spread. Zero. It's a myth invented by idiots like you who want everyone to put a face diaper on.
Having seen, many times, a single person driving a car while wearing a mask was silly enough, but watching a cyclist on his ten speed bike, ten miles from any civilization made me realize that there are more idiots in the world than i previously thought.
"N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner" - Oh sure. The public will get fitted correctly via the Mask 101 course that isn't being taught. And the public will wear that uncomfortable thing for more than 20 minutes. The N95 is marginally more effective "used in a disciplined manner". That's why in Level 4 labs, you get full rebreathers.
These are the types of studies I've been hoping to find. For the study of N-95 masks, I'm wondering how the study was conducted. How were the samples collected? How long were people breathing in the controlled space? Was the sample collection 3ft in front or 3ft in all directions?
Also, I've worked in biologics. It has been about 15 yrs, but we never used masks in any of the cell culture work. I can't envision a process in which you would rely on masks as a primary method of reducing contamination. Or even a secondary method.
don't forget the gorilla tape on the sides of the N95. Then it is wowie super duper helpful
So if the masks work, why don't they work??? According to you, no one who wears a mask could be getting or spreading the virus! Uh, we know that's NOT true...
Jaz. Thx for putting this out there. Like many respondents have stated, there’s a big difference between a laboratory experiment versus humans living in the real social world. Humans need to eat, be athletic without a mask, sleep at night/whenever without a mask, shower/shave/bath/swim/etc. without a mask. Transmission is going to happen, and likely by design, we might even need viruses to survive on this planet. Lots of scientific articles supporting evolution of humans/mammals through viral activity (such as the formation of the placenta). IE:
https://evmedreview.com/a-virus-forms-the-placenta-causes-fetal-tolerance-and-makes-muscular-males/
All food for thought.
Check out this study: https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100
"Nevertheless, high-efficiency masks, such as the KN95, still offer substantially higher apparent filtration efficiencies (60% and 46% for R95 and KN95 masks, respectively) than the more commonly used cloth (10%) and surgical masks (12%), and therefore are still the recommended choice in mitigating airborne disease transmission indoors."
Ventilation is the best remedy...
Isn’t it incredible that two years on there is still debate on this point? My experts vs. your experts, my study vs. your study, cloth mask vs medical mask etc. it’s like everyone’s collective IQ dropped precipitously. Wearing a literal mask all day, especially for children was the most evil, dehumanizing idea anyone has ever had and the fact that so many people blindly fell for it is most astounding to me.
Once the lunacy of the mask issue crashes in utter failure the wanna-be authorities will come up with something else. Zoot suits? Head globes? 9 foot social distancing? 25 day quarantine? Disposable clothing? So many marketing ideas.........so little time. One passenger per airplane???? Help me......I’m losing it.
Well...perhaps the fraud Fauci would care to fund a study for you. Since all other studies have shown masks do not slow or stop airborne virus spread you may be the narrative hero.
"if N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner in these studies"
Key word "disciplined manner". Medical providers use n-95 protection against airborne pathogens, but we must be fit-tested annually. The mask must fit so airtightly that one cannot smell (or taste) a peppermint fragrance sprayed into the testing chamber. Not all providers pass the fit test; some have to use a different style mask to get an airtight fit or a more elaborate and expensive PAPR- powered air purifying respirator (looks like an astronaut suit).
So technically you are right but this is not a practical solution for the entire population! As a nurse I would wear the n-95 as briefly as possible in and out of the "airborne precaution" room and could hardly wait to get it off. Perhaps the PAPR are more comfortable for longer wear (???) but they are noisy and expensive.
What happens once the "comparatively massive respiratory particles comprised of a mixture of mucous and salivary proteins, lipids, polysaccharides, etc." land on the mask. Are the viral particles within them instantly neutralised? Or maybe they're captured and stay there permanently? Have you proven they are not then spread as aerosols when the wearer continues to breathe through that mask?
Keep the repeat on, it will add validity.
Saying something Three times makes anything true.
What amazed me about the “pandemic” (but shouldn’t have) is how quickly the left threw its supposed core principles in front of the train.
Masks floating by the billions in the ocean, killing wildlife in unknown numbers? Screw that, I want my “lucky rabbit’s foot” to keep me from getting the sniffles (a.k.a. “Covid”).
People of color in poor regions who haven’t yet had their first “vaccine”? Screw them, gimme my booster and keep ‘em coming. Quarterly, monthly, weekly, daily, I don’t care, pour them into me if you have to.
I guess caring for the planet and standing up for the downtrodden are chickenfeed when faced with the possibility of — gasp — getting a COUGH!
Revolting hypocrites.
Right. Remember when the left hated the "evil drug corporations"? Now look at them licking pfizer's boots.
And they love the billionaire robber barons who prop them up.
It’s hard not to conclude that it NEVER has been about what the left said it was about.
Not to mention "Healthcare is a human right.........but the vaxxed don't count as human so it's ok."
So much backpedaling over the past week. They are running for the exits. These attempts to pawn off their failures by claiming we didn't do it hard enough or well enough will backfire faster and more forcefully than a 50 year old landrover with a leaky carb. Keep the pressure on. We know these folks wouldn't know a carburetor if it bit them in the ass, much less how to fix it.
slowly, slowly, then all at once.
the foundation has been gone for some time.
this is the part where the collapse starts to move quickly.
it's much too much to hide.
in 12 months, they'll all be pretending they were anti mask all along.
I am an immigrant from the former Soviet Union, currently residing in California. I so hope you are right. I came to a free country and ended up back ij the Soviet Union. It is so incredibly crushing.
While collecting Newsom recall signatures here in San Francisco, we started realizing that a third of our signers grew up in communist countries. Many of them said "this is how it started" at home. We will continue to fight on your behalf.
Yup me too. Also stuck here in crazyland. Jsut like East Germany anno 1970.
You, my friend, should write an essay on what you have seen here that reminds you of living in another authoritarian society.
I have mentioned to people before that a lot of folks who fled these regimes had concerns early on in this pandemic and of course I was informed that that was nonsense.
Read Orlov and his Five Stages of Collapse (later turned into a book).
The Five Stages Of Collapse
https://www.countercurrents.org/orlov131108.htm
I just glanced at it. I absolutely will read that tomorrow. It looks intriguing. Really - thank you for sending that to me. These people have a lot of insight in what is happening right now.
You will love it. It's fascinating.
my grandparents were polish jews who can from Slonim in 1920. Most of the relatives stayed behind and were murdered. I have letters from them. There are millions of us out here who understand and appreciate how you feel. American can be a shining city on a hill again. Liberty or death!
I have spoken with progressive Americans who assure me that people like you are exaggerating how bad things were. They are always so confident in what they do not know.
Nope hve a whole stack of handwritten letters in yiddish from a bunch of great grandcousins who were all gassed to death
Ah, yes, they will make fun - but they can't actually have a conversation with you because they have no idea what's going on. I made a comparison to the "vax passes" being introduced with the current Chinese social credit system. All these blue checks called me a racist, or a Trumper because I was "anti-China". Most of them had no idea that the Chinese social credit system even exists, or that our western "leaders" are trying to push us all onto a similar obedience platform, let alone that our freedoms and rights are GONE if it's imposed on the majority of western society.
Welcome Brahms! America was founded by people who yearned for liberty and i truly believe that immigrants who come here with that same yearning (not to go on the dole) will help lead us out of tyranny. Thank you for standing firm in Cali!
People like you who fled tyranny can be of invaluable help in spreading the word to the unenlightened who simply do not understand the idiocy they are supporting.
What frightens me is that the media and governments throughout the world, owned by the same people, keep plowing ahead with this nonsensical narrative. One must flip the pages of a history book back to the 1930s to see how a tremendous lie, relentlessly pushed, and given the veneer of "science" played out.
I pray 🙏🏻 Gato. Im praying here in Canada. Thank you for keeping us from jumping off a bridge. ❤️
I'm praying as well from deep shit Europe..🙏🏻 Thank you so much, Gato
And they knew the jabs wouldn't stop infection or transmission or last for very long...
Pfzer , moderna and J+J never claimed that the jabs would stop infection and transmission. THe study endpoints were to reduce severe illness and death. But then somehow this message got out that taking a jab would protect others and was a "duty" these same groups didnt go out of their way to clarify the truth. The Us public health establishment stood by while the media spun vaxxes as some religiuous moral obligation , Fauci et al, never stepped in to temper the hysteria. Maybe they were worried that doing do would undermine people's "faith " in vaccines. I would venture that at least this is malpractice because Im sure they understood that these vaxxes were not sterilizing. At worst its a criminal conspiracy to defraud the public
The endpoint of the clinical trials was actually just reduction in mild symptoms; they were not designed to test the effect on severe illness or death.
I saw an historical tweet by the pfizer CEO that did actually make the claim it was 100% sterilising. Aaron Ginn retweeted it a short while ago. It was embedded in a tweet by Jordan Schachtel. Don't know how to add it here, sorry!
Biden said it. So did others. It definitely came from the establishment.
While Pfizer might not have said it out loud the government and media did. I remember Biden claiming if you get vaccinated you won’t get Covid. Doctors repeat it like echos still. We live among insane people.
thats right gov and media lied and oversold the vaxxes incessantly and downplayed the role of early treatment, regardless of whether this was out of ignorance , incompetence, corruption or some combination , the fact is that is that gov public health authorities were miserable failures at messaging, and managing just about every aspect of this whole episode. its not different than any thing else gov gets its claws on. The financial system, the educational system. everything gov touches it destroys, the danger here is we are risking having gov destroy the health of an entire society and possibly result in the deaths through incompetence and neglect of millions of people
https://dossier.substack.com/p/covid-shots-were-both-marketed-by
Let the class action consumer fraud lawsuits commence
Yep. They always knew they didn’t work.
The next 'wave' will be the deletions of mask photos on social media accounts.
One can only hope. I can't stand seeing somone smugly wearing a filthy diaper on their face.
Lol! YouTube video courses in photoshop on how to remove the mask from your profile picture.
I certainly hope you are right. Living in covidian cult central in Brooklyn, NYC, it is hard to imagine these mask zombies ever giving up their talisman.
I'll take how to Nuremberg public health cubicle plankton for 200 years, Alex.
Thank you so much for writing on this ridiculous subject. I hope the following helps rather than harms.
I was told more than a year ago by two American industrial hygienists that there is no mask capable of protection against the virus. The only proper protection is by donning a respirator – as per viral lab. workers.
Apparently, industrial hygienists are regarded as experts by the court system and are qualified to give evidence as such when required.
Their job incorporates matching masks to tasks and teaching doctors how to wear masks and how to breathe with them in situ.
They also warned against the deprivation of oxygen when wearing masks and the increase in CO2 plus various microbial growths in masks (hence chest, mouth and dental infections) that are not changed frequently enough or are used inappropriately.
I seem to remember that long term and inappropriate use of masks can lead to irreversible brain damage.
Btw, I was told that the long-standing OHSA advice was ‘amended’ shortly after the CV pandemic was announced – undermining years of evidence and recommending masks as per ‘The Agenda.’
I seem to recall that the only time it would be prudent to wear a mask would be on a Covid ward where perhaps sputum-laden viruses could theoretically be expelled with some force.
The motives for mandating masks seems to be: compliance with disempowering, sick-making, alienating rituals that constantly remind victims of an ongoing pandemic plus damage to child development, encouragement for social isolation, money-making opportunities for the whole mask-wearing industry and supervision of such plus – one I haven’t checked out yet - the wearing of masks is required for training A.I. for retinal recognition (facial recognition technology being old news).
Perhaps there is a way, short of a hazmat suit, but it still begs the question - should we even be bothering ourselves with this question at this stage? Omicron is mild. It's gone endemic. We've all got a date with it at some point. Why delay the inevitable? Ditch the masks altogether. I would almost argue that it's the duty of all strong and healthy people to get it and then become a true herd member. That is the only way to help the old and weak. And to do it quickly and to do it now while they're all boosted.
This is abject pseudo-science bullshit. The exact opposite is the most likely scenario and the idea that you can achieve herd immunity of a highly mutable, airborne respiratory virus via a mass vaccination strategy with a massively leaky vaccine that wanes quickly is fiction that's already proven itself as such. But 'Mr. 30 years in a lab' here appears immune to something, just not the virus. Immune to reason and evidence. Must be a government "scientist."
What's your argument for why/how Omicron most probably evolved to become vaccine-evasive in...unvaccinated people? What was the nature of the selective pressure there? Just random chance?
He wouldn't have an argument because he doesn't understand what his government funding doesn't pay for. Just rewording a bit, it's not so much that the virus evolved to become vaccine evasive as it is a vaccine evasive mutation was naturally selected because it had a competitive advantage as a result of mass vaccination with leaky vaccine during a period of high infectious pressure in the population.
You must be a Fauci plant. Nothing in this comment makes scientific sense unless you are writing a screen play for Hollywood. You've embarrassed yourself in front of numerous informed sceptics. Please go back to your government funded misinformation job.
Even I, non scientist that I am know enough at this point to seriously question your statements. You don't provide references.
Since you stated your expertise was biochemistry, we then know that whatever your thoughts on epidemiology and immunology are NOT your field of expertise.
Ultimately, the most important goal of infection-induced herd immunity is to achieve widespread sterilising immunity while accepting that we will always be a vast breeding ground for the virus.
We can go into nuance about cross-reactive immunity and subsequent exposure, but I'll leave you with that for now. Let it sink in. Accept it. Protect the old and vulnerable like we do every year. Get it over with. You'll probably be fine.
Oh, and don't scapegoat Africa. We're doing just fine. We accept our annual duel with our pathogens and make sure we are strong and topped up with our latest natural updates. We are also not afraid to use therapeutics that real doctors are not afraid to dispense.
Keep the repeat on, it will add validity.
Saying something Three times makes it true. I can cut and paste, too.
"if N-95 masks been used in a disciplined manner in these studies"
Key word "disciplined manner". Medical providers use n-95 protection against airborne pathogens, but we must be fit-tested annually. The mask must fit so airtightly that one cannot smell (or taste) a peppermint fragrance sprayed into the testing chamber. Not all providers pass the fit test; some have to use a different style mask to get an airtight fit or a more elaborate and expensive PAPR- powered air purifying respirator (looks like an astronaut suit).
So technically you are right but this is not a practical solution for the entire population! As a nurse I would wear the n-95 as briefly as possible in and out of the "airborne precaution" room and could hardly wait to get it off. Perhaps the PAPR are more comfortable for longer wear (???) but they are noisy and expensive.
for many years before all this insanity there have been some people who have worn the paper masks in public due to health issues. i personally know two of them - a man who has lymphoma and another young man who lost his spleen in an awful car accident when he was a child, and thus has virtually no immune system. both of them have always said that their doctors told them to wear a mask in public for ONE REASON ONLY - as a signal to people around them, to say "sick guy here, please don't crowd me or make me wait..."
their doctors told them that:
1) masks do not prevent them from catching a virus.
2) wearing a mask for any length of time is dangerous as it causes hypoxia and also creates a near perfect breeding ground for bacterial infections, including bacterial pneumonia.
both are very friendly and sociable people. they only ever wore the masks if going to a crowded public place during flu season or when they weren't feeling well. most of the time they're sociable, friendly and always quick with a handshake or a hug.
the people who wear masks as a form of virtue signalling are deeply mistaken. my two friends have lost the only benefit those masks ever gave them because now most everyone is wearing them and they no longer get any of the polite courtesies that made going into crowded public buildings during flu season reasonably safe for them.
nick, the one who was in the car accident, has long been "anti vaxx." he, his wife and his children are all unvaxxed. so they get attacked by the covidians for that too. of course a vaccine wouldn't be a good idea for nick anyway, even if they did work, as he basically has no immune system to begin with.
And some kinds of masks actually can stop certain bacteria that could be detrimental to people with lung issues. I totally agree... as someone who traveled by plane a lot "pre-mask" (I *refuse* to mask for the "privilege" of spending money to fly) we would often see the ocassional mask wearer. I always assumed (and usually rightly so) that they had a condition that made it more important to wear one than not. No one cared. In fact, if it wasn't a cult, I wouldn't care now! But as insane as this has become I get sick to my stomach when I see someone "expressing" their virtue by wearing a giant diaper on their face.
Thank you for this perspective. One more unintended consequence of all this madness.
there have been MASSIVE, just massive negative externalities to all these insane mitigation strategies for people with true disabilities. my mother is mostly deaf and relies on reading lips somewhat - all people with hearing problems are basically screwed. they've been isolated / debilitated now for two years and counting due to masks and distancing. that's just one example. I have eyesight so poor I'm legally blind but correctable. I didn't wear a mask from the start because my glasses would fog and I could not see. no one cares, seemingly. just "tough luck for you guys"!!! tough luck for people with autoimmune and other things that preclude them from getting immunized. it's all been completely cruel; still is. I could not be more over it.
I bet if you post this comment 5 more times you'll win.
The Post button is stuck.
Troll
Boring boring boring. Cow.Deer.Ewe.
One thing I haven't seen yet is anyone posting about how they "wore their diaper" and still got sick. And I can almost be certain that there are millions of those out there. I have mentioned before... I lived a lifetime in an occupation that required masks: The right kind of mask for the right reason at the right time. Training required every year. Fitting etc. People can give me heck all they want for not wearing the diaper. I know the truth and I refuse to be part of the insane "masking ritual" and I also refuse to support any business, neighbor, family member that requires that I "don the diaper" as a signal that I'm part of the club. F em. Just say no to masks!
Masks have always been the most sinister part of this psyop. I have refused to wear one even once and had very few dust ups. I refuse to tell a lie on my face and wear the instrument of fear that has propagated this mess and mentally damaged untold numbers of children and perma-Karens. Finally I feel it is ending.
Right there with you, here in Maskachusetts.
Post it a few more times so those in the way back can hear you.
You just need to post it a few more times.
Apparently you learned your times tables with a teacher stick.
I'm guessing that the 3-foot measurement was taken in front of the mask? Unless the perimeter of the mask is glued to the face, almost all the breath goes around the mask, i.e. up, down, sideways. So you'd want to take those measurements where the bulk of the exhalation was going.
And if a significant portion of the viral content of someone's exhaled breath were actually bound up in a mixture such as you state, then good citizens wearing the N95 mask would in short order accumulate a damp mat of pathogen-laden goo in front of their faceholes, clogging the mask and keeping the exhaled undesirables at hand for re-aspiration, which I'm guessing is not an adaptation that natural selection would favor. This adding to the fact that the majority of the breath is going everywhere but through the mask material.
Still a troll
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Masks are more pernicious than most people realize. Masks ARE the point -- one of the major tools to drive the social attractor into a low empathy state, which then makes labor exploitation far more possible, and probable. Masks will be the last thing the low empathy crowd lets go of. https://empathy.guru/2021/07/19/the-structural-memetics-of-masks/
I’m on the beach in Florida. Saw a few old folks wear n95s, one even swimming with them. I feel sorry for them.
Those people are mentally ill.
I feel like they are, for sure. Probably on anxiety meds.
here in Norther NJ, my neighbor across the street brings her trash can out the curb alone in the evening along with a mask on. She's in her early 50s and health. ( i know for sure)
Well, it is the trash.
Lol. People are nuts.
Thats being charitable. More like effing psycho retard . Their brains have been short-circuited by fear. They need anti psychotic meds and a week in an inpatient psychiatric ward
And then courses in remedial critical thinking.
In the fall there were kids riding bikes to school alone w masks on. There Are still people out walking their dogs alone w masks on. If I go to a market or big box store in 10 minutes i hear 8 vaccine ads. I feel like im walking through a cloud of diesel smoke the propaganda and hysteria is heroic!
The wearing of a mask is a lot like socialism. It doesn't work but not because the system is not sustainable (doesn't actually do what is claimed) but because you are not wearing it correctly, it is not the right shape, is not worn often enough or in the right places and finally because the right person has not told you to wear one yet.
"We never tried real masking."
And "not enough people are wearing them". That one always floors me. Especially last year when finding someone *without* the diaper was nearly impossible.
When the numbers go up in masked states, it's the small number of people not wearing masks.
When the numbers go down in non-masked states, it's the small number of people still wearing masks.
They believe both at the same time.
Time for an umbrella mandate.
If masks worked, government would be falling all over itself to create standardized mask rules. Instead they all still claim strapping anything to your face is good enough.
And because neither masks nor jabs stop the virus from circulating through the population, it will have just as many chances to mutate -- with special pressure now AWAY from the protection that the jab provides.
And what viruses do best is mutate into LESS dangerous variants, because that's how they spread more effectively. This is exactly what we expect and exactly what happened.
AS IF ANYTHING YOU DO COULD STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE
First off my friend you have a way with words.
Masking people is a PsyOp, designed to keep everyone fearful and alert for a hazard which is non-existent. The mask is the symbol that maintains the illusion we are still in the midst of a "pandemic."
Hint: we never were.
The primary reason that the powers that be (all of them are criminals) need to keep this illusion going is to keep the EUA in place. Without the EUA in place liability issues surrounding the experimental injections become a real problem for Pharma- they know this and have prepared for it.
Once the EUA disappears the drive to "sell" the jab dissipates, the smoke will be cleared and more people will see the damage done. Adverse events from these monstrosities being injected into people are going to be impossible to deny and will be ongoing for years. The false flag "emergency" serves to cover this up for the time being.
Where I live the masking is worse than ever. As I'm in stores it is common that I will be the only without a face diaper. Most of these people are hyper-educated and clinically insane.
same for me im in NNJ. Often Im the only one in the market or whereever with no mask. I work in healthcare and its still a law here
Sixth time’s the charm!
So does brainwashing. Troll.
Keep the repeat on, it will add validity.
You could say that again! Oh, you already did.
Where do you live?
Dass racisss.
I saw a video done by epidemiologist fog his glasses wearing 7 masks. The response was well he’s a veterinarian virologist. My response was don’t they test these viruses using bats? Unfortunately, while my Dad’s generation was the greatest generation, mine and our progeny seem to be the lamest generation. I’ve never seen so many uninformed cowards in my life. They are as afraid of virus as much as they are of the truth.
Water vapor is molecule size, much smaller than virons. Masks don't filter that.
I’m guessing that water vapor from your breath is coming out as droplets not single molecules. SARS-19 is .1 micron which could be contained within a water droplet.
Well said!
Communism 1.0 didn't work because we should have been using communism 1.1. These arguments never change.
But if the government really believes that N95 masks do work, why not distribute them and encourage obese diabetics to wear one to protect themselves. Ie protect themselves. Protect themselves. Get it? Protect yourself. Leave me out of it.
Yup yup yup. The high risk groups from the get go should have been the only target of mitigation efforts. Not children or healthy adults.