Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience--C.S. Lewis
I fully support you CA students! Now is the time for civil disobedience!!
"... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government..."
Yep, and here we are! It is time! I learned all about our amazing Founding Fathers in school but it had little meaning to me at the time. Now, their words bring hope and inspiration to those of us who know this is NOT ABOUT A MASK or a SHOT!
So many before us knew what could happen if we relaxed our efforts to maintain freedom. Now, we are here...not at a crossroads, but a cliff. I am grateful for cattitude and this community to gain our force against the global tyrants who have no goal other than profits and power.
Indeed Jessica, indeed. We have to keep on keeping on...small triumphs here and there but only time will tell. What a melancholy time for the world. There is so much beauty on this planet that we are missing bc we have to deal with this crap. I make it a point everyday to "see" something in the world that is beautiful to help keep my sanity.
My family and I are 'living like we are dying'. We are fighting the good fight in every way we are able but we are enjoying the beauty around us, the time together and joining forces with other likeminded citizens who value the liberties our country offers.
oh I just knew Bob Casale through a couple of other friends. We we in High School so it was no biggie. But Kent, Ohio was a great place for music back in the 60s/70s.
Perfect! I actually heard that being played in a grocery store the other day! :-) MUCH better than the reminders for getting the damn shot or wearing a mask!
I agree. we need them. I work in the music business and too many people with tough reps seem to be terrified and cowed. But there are so many in the biz that aren't doing it. Just quietly
There was a time when rock and roll was all about rebellion. Now it’s mostly about selling Chevrolets or Cymbalta. Maybe there’s a comeback percolating. I hope so.
Right…we moved away from everything we knew in July of 2019 for my husband’s job…so was only connected to people I knew via text or fb (which I had not really been on) …I stopped being afraid mid April and full on what the f by may. I was so sad to see all my friends still living in fear, I thought if I just shared a little information they would be less afraid. Was I ever wrong.
I grew up in the alt scene and now all of the old club friends are posting “I got boosted!!” and showing their kids holding back cards. They dove into the Branch Covidian religion as if it were a mosh pit. So very sad indeed.
The "rebels" of the 60s and punks of the 70s weren't nihilists or anarchists. They were rebelling against the good to put in place the bad. They were rebels in the sense the Jacobins were; as soon as they were the ones lopping heads off then rebellion and resistance were not only futile but criminal.
It's neither ironic nor surprising that the birth place of the "Free speech" movement is now the home of shutting others up, because Free Speech to a prog is a means to an opposite end.
I don't consider myself a rebel; I'm a counterrevolutionary. Time to do the Bolshevik Bop.
you got the the movement right, these wokes are truly neo-jacobins. the only "good part" is that their level of cognitive dissonance is getting so high, that the stress to keep it running is making the karen army to go into a loop. well, at least the jacobin original "reign of terror" lasted less than an year and imploded, it got so ridiculous that broke from inside. only problem was that it purged a few thousand dozen heads while the crazy lasted. we are on the other side from these woke jacobins, so we need to watch out for our heads ;)
This is fabulous. You don’t learn anything in public school anyway. Might as well protest. Don’t wear the mask. Don’t take the vax. What are those unionized teachers going to do if they have no students left to teach?
I've lived in another country where parents routinely sacrifice the wellbeing of their children for social and economic imperatives (arranged marriages incl. child marriage, etc.), but I didn't expect to see educated (?!?) middle-class Americans so willingly offer up their kids to Moloch with such eagerness. Just a Twilight Zone world we're in now. And it's so sad, knowing that for us to be proven correct means the harm to so many children who shall have been betrayed by those whose one crucial job in life was to protect them...
The same idiots who want their kids to get shots [and boosters] of intravenous government salvation are the very same ones who celebrate abortion as a sacrament.
Politicians want to remain in office more than anything else. If they are made well aware as to what their constituents are demanding, they will buckle or end up unemployed. Call/email/organize.
That is one of the most haunting pictures I've ever seen. It could almost have a double meaning: These are the children that may die/have died from these poison death shots being forced on innocent healthy little bodies for a "virus" with a 99.998% chance of recovery *if* a little person even gets it... People, please... awaken!
People do not realize that the medical industrial complex started its assault on us over 100 years ago:
History
"It is now 30 years since I have been confining myself to the treatment of chronic diseases. During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn't put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren't strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since."
Dr. William Howard Hay, MD, addressing the Medical Freedom Society, June 25, 1937
"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that ‘an unjust law is no law at all."
I know the people who helped organize this event. Tomorrow my school district is doing the same thing. The kids are done, the parents are standing up and fighting, the community is coming together. If you live in Riverside County let me know and I can share information.
Well, it has to be selective, and it has to be intelligent. Remember, Greta Thunberg is the Patron Saint for many people who also say "power to the children".
Do you think those shoes were put their by the kids themselves, of their own volition and without the knowledge, support, and encouragement of their parents?
Of course Greta is in no way representative, etc., but tell that to the folks who only get their news (sic) from the alphabet legacy media. They think she's a superstar, and we have to fight that and them.
Children are children, that is, their intellectual development is far from complete - regardless of which side of the political aisle they represent - and the Left can just as easily say of our side's kids, "they're merely sock puppets for racist white supremacists who don't care if they kill people with the virus - they're in no way representative of real, independent-minded children like our superhero Greta Thunberg and David Hogg."
Margaret Anna, this is a dangerous pathway. Let's be careful.
el gato has established no limits, fence lines or any guidance, he is only telling us to become ungovernable. Does a parent really want their children to disobey all their rules?
Let's be careful - before we release the beasts, let's build some guard rails and guidance!!! A lawless society is a horrible idea!
you seem to have a poor understanding of the concepts here and keep mistaking refusal to submit to imposed authority and a right to dismantle unjust structures for lacking civilization or order.
you're just engaging in the same bad utopian fallacies of "we just need smarter guys to tell us what to do and order our lives next time."
the structure IS the problem. once you impose it, it's just a matter of time until it gets misused.
i would argue it took FAR less time once it started. the states lost their rights in the civil war.
this set up a nasty move in the teens by wilson that was fought back, but then won in a push over in the 30's under FDR who was, by any serious definition, a fascist not unlike mussolini and believed in the same sort of top down ordering of the state.
under coolidge, the federal budget was about 2% of GDP. under FDR it ran into the 30's and has never looked back.
that was where we lost it, we crossed an event horizon and accreted ever more power to the center and away from the states, localities, and individuals where most of it used to reside.
it seems to me that the fight of our time is to undo that process.
i think it's one of the most important ideas of our time and could represent the greatest and most durable shift of power back to the individual in human history.
i also think most of the current projects are sort of a 1.0 stage that are like the internet pre AOL and that most/all need to fail to make way for what is to come.
the internet probably needs to evolve to something mesh based, swarm sourced, decentralized, and end to end encrypted (including the routing) before we can really support a scaled, secure, anonymous currency network.
Allow me to butt in and give an answer. 🧐 In the US case, unlike the vast majority of functions our Federal government has claimed for itself, "the power to coin money, and regulate the value thereof" is expressly stated in our Constitution.
I tend to concur, as the bureaucrat says. That's not to say that all change is evil or unwanted. In the US case at least, our Founders placed mechanisms to amend documents, pass laws, and so on. Most people probably don't yearn for a return to being able to buy a slave with gold coins. 😎 But it's a fact that no human system is immune to influence by those in power, who invariably will try and bend things to suit their own purposes, almost always at a detriment to the majority.
2. describing someone who does not understand the basic concepts of a discussion as having a poor understanding is simply descriptive.
you seem unable to imagine a world without top down lawgivers or any order that could provide safety AND freedom.
this seems to me a serious lack of imagination and of historical understanding.
you keep shouting "lawless" like there can be no order or law if people have the ability to be ungovernable.
but you're wrong.
in fact, the opposite pertains. those without the ability to become ungovernable have, more or less by definition, no ability to resist a tyrant.
this seems to be what's lacking in your understanding.
the ability and sometimes need to throw off that which has become inimical to liberty is the only possible and durable basis for liberty.
no society lacking such has ever stayed free.
it does not imply there there is never new order or new laws agreed upon, only that the right to remove such structures always justly resides with the people.
when ideas of government or law are elevated above the people, that is the very definition of despotism.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
When I was in school I had to memorize so many important passages like this...memorize AND recite them for the teacher, that was the test. Sadly, this is no longer taught, I am sure.
What you're discussing is actually a contradiction in terms, but you're not seeing it. If there's no order, there really isn't a "society" is there? You seem to think that order among free individuals requires direction, when masses of people regularly self-organize into ordered and self-regulating societies.
What's missing from this discussion so far, to include my previous brilliant comments I must confess 😛 is this: the concept of "rule of law." The idea that even kings or other top-level rulers were subject to law, and could not simply make new decrees at a whim, is relatively rare in world history. Except in perhaps small ancient examples, it didn't even exist until well into the Enlightenment, call it the 18th century, primarily in Europe. Of course, like most human institutions, it's not an all-or-nothing concept. But it's pretty safe to say that "rule of law" has been on the way out for at least the past half-century, or even much longer, as the above Gato post notes. The recent Biden/OSHA decree imposing mandatory vaxxing on private businesses is only the latest example: it is very likely completely illegal under US law, but that didn't stop them from trying.
Jeremy, that's fine. If you don't like the term "lawless society" let's go back to the original terminology and call it an "ungovernable society." Does that work better? Even Adam and Eve had a couple of rules they were not supposed to violate.
Same problem. Your language says that you presume that a society must be directed by a government, not that rules agreed to spring up upon creation of a society. If rules are organic, coming from the bottom up in self-organization, then rejecting that which comes from the top down is not only moral, it's required.
“Derogatory, defaming and name calling?” Seriously? I see none of that. It’s too bad that society has lost the concept of debating. I will follow the ungovernable; the greatest of the ungovernable will always be Jesus the Christ.
And there's a HUGE difference between a lawless society that doesn't adhere to any kinds of moral standards and a society that says NO to immoral, unethical "rules" that people make up just "because".
And, what do you do when you go to the grocery store or on vacation. In a lawless society, you would have to stay home to guard your belongings. Mankind has never been "civilized" as gato seems to think we are or can be.
Don't want to argue, but no one here is advocating a lawless society. And if we are taking the last almost 2 years into account in this discussion NONE OF THE THINGS DONE HAVE BEEN LAWFUL. They've all been magical "rules" and edicts blasted out from behind a podium by a politician waving a magic wand. I totally get what you mean and maybe some are misunderstanding. But, I re-emphasize, I don't see anyone in this thread pleading the case for a lawless society at all.
My favorite? The Governor of New York literally saying in front of God and everyone, "I signed an executive order today to GIVE MYSELF THE AUTHORITY to....."
Thank you Rob. Tell me, please, what does the admonition to become "ungovernable" (with no guardrails, explanation or limits) mean to you? I'll start: it sounds like a call to disobey the government, anything and everything that comes from the government. That's lawlessness.
I have a STRONG preference to avoid arguments too. This whole thing deteriorated very, very quickly.
Yea, I'm sorry, the government does not make true laws. They're all arbitrary. True laws are bound into the very fabric of this reality. It's not the government that tells me not to kill my neighbour. Disobeying government does not imply lawlessness. But it frees us from a whole load of inane bullshit. I don't need the government to tell me to drop my trash bags off at a place it gets picked up by the disposal guys. I do it for my community.
Every person has his limit (sorry if I seem sexist, but those are the rules of English grammar I learned, and I'm not going to bend them to suit sensitive egos.) Pushed beyond that limit, bad things happen. Governments seem to be pushing for that limit. Whether intentional or just blind stupidity, I cannot say. But things will break, rest assured. At some point that only the individual can define, a government's laws themselves have become "immoral" and, in my opinion, the individual is not bound to obey an immoral dictate.
I think you might be taking it too literally :-) On the spectrum from freedom to tyranny, I choose freedom, but that doesn’t mean I’m advocating for a Walking Dead scenario ;-)
I’d love to delve further but have only gotten a two-hour nap between marathoning and visiting with an old friend so am going to feed the kitties and crash now …
Hello Margaret Anna. I understand and hope you get a little shuteye. Respond only if and when you wish. I dislike arguments and this one has gone off the rails!
How else would you take a blanket call to a crowd to become "ungovernable."
I can only speak for myself, but I took "become ungovernable" to mean that we should not be submissive to those who wish to have unlimited power over us. For me, I believe the Founders got it right when they said that our rights come from God, not from government. The function of government is to protect those rights. Some people may find that simplistic. I find it simple even though it can be a complex job.
Let's be clear. We're talking about supporting children in their struggle against immoral and unhinged bureaucracies. We're talking about peaceful noncompliance. This is the high road. This is what will prevent bloody civil war.
Except that gato put no restrictions on his suggestion that we become ungovernable, thus it includes anything and everything anti-government. I continue to stand firm. That's dangerous and is doomed to failure.
Which He gives. We ask, but don't always understand Him. Sometimes, we don't want to hear and sometimes we don't understand. These days, it seems that more and more people are listening to the wrong guide. Evil seems having a moment. but the greatest gift we have from God is free will. He will never condemn us, we condemn ourselves.
Wow! Look at me--giving a homily! So not like me. I guess I am getting more philosophical in my old age.
The Founders, in the Declaration, "put no restrictions" so to speak on how to achieve their objective. They became ungovernable themselves. In fact, they defied the rules of combat at the time and targeted officers, not just regulars, in combat.
Yes, what the Founders did was dangerous, but of course it was not doomed to failure.
I sort of agree with most of that. I think there's a difference between throwing off an evil dictatorship and becoming ungovernable. Our Founders, were not ungovernable. Any edifice whether physical or mental that is designed or developed by Man will, ultimately fail. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God himself did not fail. He gave us the choice and the ability to make our choices --- and we must accept the responsibility in the end.
Not true, there have been several anarchist societies in history, but they were murdered by governments (government is the institution that BY FAR has murdered the most people in the history of the human race - no contest). Read "Whatever Happened to Justice" by Richard Maybury to understand more.
I absolutely agree, Bootsorourke. But that also requires teaching them, while still young, how to recognize and discern the difference between tyranny and proper governance. Simply being ungovernable is not a good thing to teach our young.
Yes teach children critical thinking and team work and social cooperation. But don’t teach kids to be governed. It’s for leaders to govern well so the children don’t need to revolt.
I live in Germany. Until a few weeks ago, children in my area had to wear a mask all day long.
Now that this measure has been lifted, here is what happens in the school my 10 years old is attending:
- The main teacher did not communicate to the children that they could remove their masks. As a result, all children still wear the mask, them being afraid of contaminating the teacher and/or others, and as a result being put in quarantine and having to miss school.
- A new teacher encouraged the children to remove their masks, and so they did.
- A third teacher stated to the children that she is suffering from a medical condition that makes her a target of the virus, and that they must keep the mask.
So now instead of a government imposed detrimental measure, we have thousands of local tyrants in the classrooms.
I am hopeful that the greatest generation of independent critical thinkers is being formed right now. Once they look back they will fully understand how much they were abused, lied to, and betrayed by their government, their teachers, and many even by their own parents. They will never be asleep at the wheel like the generations that allowed this disaster to take place.
I pity the (likely) millions of children that are, for all practical purposes, becoming the latest cohort of guinea pigs in the largest Phase 3 drug trial ever conducted. How many parents are aware that for almost zero statistical benefit (e.g. preventing disease or even its spread!) they are rolling the dice with their children's lives and certainly their long-term health? This is monstrous beyond anything I've ever experienced in my life. I'm fortunate that I don't have school-aged children subject to such experimentation, because I probably would do something that would land me in prison or worse.
Powerful image, hope it makes an impact. Wonder if their local media will cover it? One of those pesky anti -Covid stories they don't like to touch. Shouldn't those children just be happy to go to school masked and vaxed? They should actually be grateful.
I'm sorry, gato, I must disagree on your choice of words though I believe I understand (and agree) with your probable intent.
I am not fond of the entreaty to become "ungovernable." It is too broad and has too many, powerful negative connotations. There are many laws and ordinances that SHOULD be obeyed. I do not wish us to become a lawless society!!! THAT is exactly what the left has encouraged and financed the BLM and ANTIFA mobs to become.
your faming that we must have laws that must be obeyed indicates, to my mind, a deep misunderstanding of what it is to be free.
society is a social contract that all should willingly join.
it must offer more than it takes. by agreeing not to take things from or harm others, i gain protection for my things and my person.
if i choose not to, that is no concern of the society until i violate someone's rights.
people trivialize that distinction at their peril.
the punishment for failing to, say, pay taxes, should be nothing. there should be no seizure, no force, nothing.
but you also lose protection and now stand alone.
that should always be a choice you can make without fear of attack or coercion by the state.
that has ZERO to do with BLM or antifa. those are totalitarians and fascists, not anarchists or libertarians.
you're mistaking their brochure for the reality of the vacation.
what you call "resisting tyranny" is really just getting a little breathing room while you wait for the next round of tyrants to come for you.
this idea that order must come from government IS the seed of inevitable tyranny.
order must emerge from the bottom up, not be imposed from the top down.
the right to become ungovernable and remove any public order than has become oppressive to one's basic liberty is the very essence of what it is to be a citizen rather than a subject.
I quite like the idea of "become ungovernable", but I don't see it as a blanket statement for all things. One must be selective in its use. I see it as a necessary response to the current tyranny that seeks to impose itself on the citizens under the guise of being something else, a sleight of hand so to speak. The big problem is that the average citizen must be able to recognize tyranny. At this moment in time, it appears that far too many do not see the tyranny that is looming ever larger over their lives, it's still the wolf in sheep's clothing for them. They still view tyrannical actions as a kind of benign albeit annoying protection, a concern for their well being, a force for good to keep them safe. Such people are still asleep and feel somewhat comforted by a perceived safety of the limited little boxes they are being forced into.
You're wrong and misguided. I urge caution. Murder, rape, arson, theft, etc. - those are NOT good laws to disobey or to become ungovernable over. Horrible drugs that are mandated ARE. I'll go along with you that far, but not much further.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
"... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness..."
rumor has it that one kid wrote that she'd rather be exposed to information that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton than be exposed to a single dose of the (one and done forever) vaccines.
Folks, be careful here. If you want to follow el gato and open all the prison doors and create a society of zero rules, laws and restrictions, go ahead, but you will NOT like where that takes you.
Seriously? You think your comment WASN'T one that would make Barack Obama, Straw Man Extraordinaire, blush? Even before I read the cat's reply, I understood your comment to be nothing BUT straw men.
If you *really* think he's calling to "open all the prison doors and create a society of zero rules, laws and restrictions", then it's impossible to have a reasonable debate or discussion with you. That claim of yours is just absurd.
What are you talking about? Not complying with unlawful mandates/orders is night-and-day different than opening prison doors and creating a society of zero rules.
No government. No laws. No jails. No prisons. No military. No borders. etc. Create any of those things and you begin to build (or re-build) a government which is the opposite of what el gato has called for.
I see you are arguing against your own imagination, not what was said. If you care to leave fantasy-land and respond to actual typed words, let someone know.
Absolutely not. I said I agree with resisting tyranny. I've often said on this site that we should (SHOULD) resist the vaccine and mask MANDATES. I have NEVER called for lawlessness and that will be the result in calling for undefined "ungovernability."
Humans cannot live together without rules. Even in a pure anarcho-capitalist society, there will be laws and law-enforcing organizations. Just not a monopoly on the use of force by a group that unilaterally determines its own salary and is the final judge in all disputes concerning itself. But this is a topic for another day.
Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience--C.S. Lewis
I fully support you CA students! Now is the time for civil disobedience!!
"... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government..."
Yep, and here we are! It is time! I learned all about our amazing Founding Fathers in school but it had little meaning to me at the time. Now, their words bring hope and inspiration to those of us who know this is NOT ABOUT A MASK or a SHOT!
truly true....
So many before us knew what could happen if we relaxed our efforts to maintain freedom. Now, we are here...not at a crossroads, but a cliff. I am grateful for cattitude and this community to gain our force against the global tyrants who have no goal other than profits and power.
Indeed Jessica, indeed. We have to keep on keeping on...small triumphs here and there but only time will tell. What a melancholy time for the world. There is so much beauty on this planet that we are missing bc we have to deal with this crap. I make it a point everyday to "see" something in the world that is beautiful to help keep my sanity.
good idea
My family and I are 'living like we are dying'. We are fighting the good fight in every way we are able but we are enjoying the beauty around us, the time together and joining forces with other likeminded citizens who value the liberties our country offers.
Paula, if this doesn't work out, Eric (see above) has another opportunity for you (probably less chilly, too).
Haha
Hell yeah. Make kids rebellious again
It's about time for a punk revival.
with all these principal togars, there has to be a new batch of ramones in here somewhere...
Hell I hung out with Devo in my basement before they were even Devo. (True story!)
Are we not men ?
ok, i am so jealous...
oh I just knew Bob Casale through a couple of other friends. We we in High School so it was no biggie. But Kent, Ohio was a great place for music back in the 60s/70s.
"Whip it" is a song of hope here. Study those lyrics. It's not too late...!
Perfect! I actually heard that being played in a grocery store the other day! :-) MUCH better than the reminders for getting the damn shot or wearing a mask!
I know one of the musicians who tour with them. Well, I know his wife. I met him many years ago. I worked with her.
Loved Devo. "Are we not Men?"
I agree. we need them. I work in the music business and too many people with tough reps seem to be terrified and cowed. But there are so many in the biz that aren't doing it. Just quietly
There was a time when rock and roll was all about rebellion. Now it’s mostly about selling Chevrolets or Cymbalta. Maybe there’s a comeback percolating. I hope so.
I really hope so
Hi Rez!
Not exactly the Ramones :-) But we love them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9a_P0evO7Y
At least some https://youtu.be/rs9wuaVV33I
I have been beyond disgusted with all my “punk” friends.
Seriously. All my friends who were punk back in the day were chomping to get in line for the vax. I guess there is a expiration date on punkness?
Right…we moved away from everything we knew in July of 2019 for my husband’s job…so was only connected to people I knew via text or fb (which I had not really been on) …I stopped being afraid mid April and full on what the f by may. I was so sad to see all my friends still living in fear, I thought if I just shared a little information they would be less afraid. Was I ever wrong.
I grew up in the alt scene and now all of the old club friends are posting “I got boosted!!” and showing their kids holding back cards. They dove into the Branch Covidian religion as if it were a mosh pit. So very sad indeed.
David Koresh opened the Seven Sealions and they joined the circus
Branch Covidian, I'm stealing this!
Probably Siouxsie and the Banshees fans
Ha ha!
do we really ever know anyone???
The "rebels" of the 60s and punks of the 70s weren't nihilists or anarchists. They were rebelling against the good to put in place the bad. They were rebels in the sense the Jacobins were; as soon as they were the ones lopping heads off then rebellion and resistance were not only futile but criminal.
It's neither ironic nor surprising that the birth place of the "Free speech" movement is now the home of shutting others up, because Free Speech to a prog is a means to an opposite end.
I don't consider myself a rebel; I'm a counterrevolutionary. Time to do the Bolshevik Bop.
you got the the movement right, these wokes are truly neo-jacobins. the only "good part" is that their level of cognitive dissonance is getting so high, that the stress to keep it running is making the karen army to go into a loop. well, at least the jacobin original "reign of terror" lasted less than an year and imploded, it got so ridiculous that broke from inside. only problem was that it purged a few thousand dozen heads while the crazy lasted. we are on the other side from these woke jacobins, so we need to watch out for our heads ;)
Punks as fashion not punks in spirit
Exactly right
Johnny Rotten is conservative because they're more anti-establishment
throw the tyrannists into the mosh pits!
Throw fauci in
I nominate a theme song https://youtu.be/Qu_ozjAu_vM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_IFHYzk0rY
This is fabulous. You don’t learn anything in public school anyway. Might as well protest. Don’t wear the mask. Don’t take the vax. What are those unionized teachers going to do if they have no students left to teach?
#Resist
"Teacher, leave them kids alone."
So true today
Yes, yes, yes! Everyone walk out.
Collect a paycheck, and rack up points for a pension. Don't need no stinkin' kids!
We're having a revolution. I'm in, are you?
I've lived in another country where parents routinely sacrifice the wellbeing of their children for social and economic imperatives (arranged marriages incl. child marriage, etc.), but I didn't expect to see educated (?!?) middle-class Americans so willingly offer up their kids to Moloch with such eagerness. Just a Twilight Zone world we're in now. And it's so sad, knowing that for us to be proven correct means the harm to so many children who shall have been betrayed by those whose one crucial job in life was to protect them...
The same idiots who want their kids to get shots [and boosters] of intravenous government salvation are the very same ones who celebrate abortion as a sacrament.
Moloch is the the men without chests' messiah.
1000 x this.
We humans are real pieces of work....
The vaccines do not work. The kids laugh before the spikes of the virus. Vaccines kill kids.
How can someone support this?
Call your local school board and say you object to any requirement in the absence of a law (not an emergency order) that requires vaccination.
I do not live in the us. But, will not they create the law?
Politicians want to remain in office more than anything else. If they are made well aware as to what their constituents are demanding, they will buckle or end up unemployed. Call/email/organize.
Civil disobedience
Go here, follow the instructions and say, "HANDS OFF OUR KIDS!" https://www.peakprosperity.com/its-go-time-urgent-message-to-our-peak-prosperity-community/
I did yesterday. Time for the regular folks to stand up. This is not happening. No way. Not to my kids. “I’ll pull them”. You bet I will.
That is one of the most haunting pictures I've ever seen. It could almost have a double meaning: These are the children that may die/have died from these poison death shots being forced on innocent healthy little bodies for a "virus" with a 99.998% chance of recovery *if* a little person even gets it... People, please... awaken!
you are right rob, i did not even think of that when i saw the pic. i just got goosebumps...
I had the same thought.
People do not realize that the medical industrial complex started its assault on us over 100 years ago:
History
"It is now 30 years since I have been confining myself to the treatment of chronic diseases. During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn't put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren't strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since."
Dr. William Howard Hay, MD, addressing the Medical Freedom Society, June 25, 1937
Wow, this is pissing me off and breaking my heart at the same time...
We are so programmed and blinded.
"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that ‘an unjust law is no law at all."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
100%
I know the people who helped organize this event. Tomorrow my school district is doing the same thing. The kids are done, the parents are standing up and fighting, the community is coming together. If you live in Riverside County let me know and I can share information.
Bless you all!! I pray your actions inspire parents in sleepy Oregon.
POWER TO THE CHILDREN!!
Well, it has to be selective, and it has to be intelligent. Remember, Greta Thunberg is the Patron Saint for many people who also say "power to the children".
Ah, but Greta is merely a sock puppet for Machiavellian adults—she is in no way representative of real, independent-minded children like our superhero Fiona (https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/you-cannot-comply-your-way-out-of/comments), who socked it to the system and wrote her own damn speeches!
Do you think those shoes were put their by the kids themselves, of their own volition and without the knowledge, support, and encouragement of their parents?
Of course Greta is in no way representative, etc., but tell that to the folks who only get their news (sic) from the alphabet legacy media. They think she's a superstar, and we have to fight that and them.
Children are children, that is, their intellectual development is far from complete - regardless of which side of the political aisle they represent - and the Left can just as easily say of our side's kids, "they're merely sock puppets for racist white supremacists who don't care if they kill people with the virus - they're in no way representative of real, independent-minded children like our superhero Greta Thunberg and David Hogg."
ugh!
Margaret Anna, this is a dangerous pathway. Let's be careful.
el gato has established no limits, fence lines or any guidance, he is only telling us to become ungovernable. Does a parent really want their children to disobey all their rules?
Let's be careful - before we release the beasts, let's build some guard rails and guidance!!! A lawless society is a horrible idea!
you seem to have a poor understanding of the concepts here and keep mistaking refusal to submit to imposed authority and a right to dismantle unjust structures for lacking civilization or order.
you're just engaging in the same bad utopian fallacies of "we just need smarter guys to tell us what to do and order our lives next time."
the structure IS the problem. once you impose it, it's just a matter of time until it gets misused.
Absolutely. A matter of time. It has taken centuries in the US, but we can see now how corrupt the system has become.
this is an interesting point of potential debate.
i would argue it took FAR less time once it started. the states lost their rights in the civil war.
this set up a nasty move in the teens by wilson that was fought back, but then won in a push over in the 30's under FDR who was, by any serious definition, a fascist not unlike mussolini and believed in the same sort of top down ordering of the state.
under coolidge, the federal budget was about 2% of GDP. under FDR it ran into the 30's and has never looked back.
that was where we lost it, we crossed an event horizon and accreted ever more power to the center and away from the states, localities, and individuals where most of it used to reside.
it seems to me that the fight of our time is to undo that process.
What is your opinion about crypto currency and decentralization in general?
i think it's one of the most important ideas of our time and could represent the greatest and most durable shift of power back to the individual in human history.
i also think most of the current projects are sort of a 1.0 stage that are like the internet pre AOL and that most/all need to fail to make way for what is to come.
the internet probably needs to evolve to something mesh based, swarm sourced, decentralized, and end to end encrypted (including the routing) before we can really support a scaled, secure, anonymous currency network.
this is the work of the next decade or 2.
but it's coming.
Allow me to butt in and give an answer. 🧐 In the US case, unlike the vast majority of functions our Federal government has claimed for itself, "the power to coin money, and regulate the value thereof" is expressly stated in our Constitution.
I tend to concur, as the bureaucrat says. That's not to say that all change is evil or unwanted. In the US case at least, our Founders placed mechanisms to amend documents, pass laws, and so on. Most people probably don't yearn for a return to being able to buy a slave with gold coins. 😎 But it's a fact that no human system is immune to influence by those in power, who invariably will try and bend things to suit their own purposes, almost always at a detriment to the majority.
Yes. Ungovernable is not the same as barbarian. You are still human.
Well, gato, you seem to drop into the derogatory, defaming, and name calling pretty quickly yourself. I stand firm. Lawless societies always failed.
1. only when others start it.
2. describing someone who does not understand the basic concepts of a discussion as having a poor understanding is simply descriptive.
you seem unable to imagine a world without top down lawgivers or any order that could provide safety AND freedom.
this seems to me a serious lack of imagination and of historical understanding.
you keep shouting "lawless" like there can be no order or law if people have the ability to be ungovernable.
but you're wrong.
in fact, the opposite pertains. those without the ability to become ungovernable have, more or less by definition, no ability to resist a tyrant.
this seems to be what's lacking in your understanding.
the ability and sometimes need to throw off that which has become inimical to liberty is the only possible and durable basis for liberty.
no society lacking such has ever stayed free.
it does not imply there there is never new order or new laws agreed upon, only that the right to remove such structures always justly resides with the people.
when ideas of government or law are elevated above the people, that is the very definition of despotism.
some others once said it quite well.
perhaps you're heard of them?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
When I was in school I had to memorize so many important passages like this...memorize AND recite them for the teacher, that was the test. Sadly, this is no longer taught, I am sure.
Jesus!! I am now in love with a cat.
Name a lawless society, historical or present.
What you're discussing is actually a contradiction in terms, but you're not seeing it. If there's no order, there really isn't a "society" is there? You seem to think that order among free individuals requires direction, when masses of people regularly self-organize into ordered and self-regulating societies.
What's missing from this discussion so far, to include my previous brilliant comments I must confess 😛 is this: the concept of "rule of law." The idea that even kings or other top-level rulers were subject to law, and could not simply make new decrees at a whim, is relatively rare in world history. Except in perhaps small ancient examples, it didn't even exist until well into the Enlightenment, call it the 18th century, primarily in Europe. Of course, like most human institutions, it's not an all-or-nothing concept. But it's pretty safe to say that "rule of law" has been on the way out for at least the past half-century, or even much longer, as the above Gato post notes. The recent Biden/OSHA decree imposing mandatory vaxxing on private businesses is only the latest example: it is very likely completely illegal under US law, but that didn't stop them from trying.
The Colonies around the time of a certain tea party were something of a lawless society I think.
Jeremy, that's fine. If you don't like the term "lawless society" let's go back to the original terminology and call it an "ungovernable society." Does that work better? Even Adam and Eve had a couple of rules they were not supposed to violate.
Same problem. Your language says that you presume that a society must be directed by a government, not that rules agreed to spring up upon creation of a society. If rules are organic, coming from the bottom up in self-organization, then rejecting that which comes from the top down is not only moral, it's required.
“Derogatory, defaming and name calling?” Seriously? I see none of that. It’s too bad that society has lost the concept of debating. I will follow the ungovernable; the greatest of the ungovernable will always be Jesus the Christ.
*lol* I’d rather than a lawless society than a totalitarian one ;-) But I agree kids need limits—from their parents, not their government!
And there's a HUGE difference between a lawless society that doesn't adhere to any kinds of moral standards and a society that says NO to immoral, unethical "rules" that people make up just "because".
And, what do you do when you go to the grocery store or on vacation. In a lawless society, you would have to stay home to guard your belongings. Mankind has never been "civilized" as gato seems to think we are or can be.
Don't want to argue, but no one here is advocating a lawless society. And if we are taking the last almost 2 years into account in this discussion NONE OF THE THINGS DONE HAVE BEEN LAWFUL. They've all been magical "rules" and edicts blasted out from behind a podium by a politician waving a magic wand. I totally get what you mean and maybe some are misunderstanding. But, I re-emphasize, I don't see anyone in this thread pleading the case for a lawless society at all.
Thank you for saying what I am too tired to say ;-)
Haha. My pleasure. Have a great night.
My favorite? The Governor of New York literally saying in front of God and everyone, "I signed an executive order today to GIVE MYSELF THE AUTHORITY to....."
I thought her "vaccines are a gift from God" speech (was that her?) was cringe-worthy too. 🤡
Thank you Rob. Tell me, please, what does the admonition to become "ungovernable" (with no guardrails, explanation or limits) mean to you? I'll start: it sounds like a call to disobey the government, anything and everything that comes from the government. That's lawlessness.
I have a STRONG preference to avoid arguments too. This whole thing deteriorated very, very quickly.
Yea, I'm sorry, the government does not make true laws. They're all arbitrary. True laws are bound into the very fabric of this reality. It's not the government that tells me not to kill my neighbour. Disobeying government does not imply lawlessness. But it frees us from a whole load of inane bullshit. I don't need the government to tell me to drop my trash bags off at a place it gets picked up by the disposal guys. I do it for my community.
Every person has his limit (sorry if I seem sexist, but those are the rules of English grammar I learned, and I'm not going to bend them to suit sensitive egos.) Pushed beyond that limit, bad things happen. Governments seem to be pushing for that limit. Whether intentional or just blind stupidity, I cannot say. But things will break, rest assured. At some point that only the individual can define, a government's laws themselves have become "immoral" and, in my opinion, the individual is not bound to obey an immoral dictate.
I think you might be taking it too literally :-) On the spectrum from freedom to tyranny, I choose freedom, but that doesn’t mean I’m advocating for a Walking Dead scenario ;-)
I’d love to delve further but have only gotten a two-hour nap between marathoning and visiting with an old friend so am going to feed the kitties and crash now …
Hello Margaret Anna. I understand and hope you get a little shuteye. Respond only if and when you wish. I dislike arguments and this one has gone off the rails!
How else would you take a blanket call to a crowd to become "ungovernable."
I can only speak for myself, but I took "become ungovernable" to mean that we should not be submissive to those who wish to have unlimited power over us. For me, I believe the Founders got it right when they said that our rights come from God, not from government. The function of government is to protect those rights. Some people may find that simplistic. I find it simple even though it can be a complex job.
Yup, and if we keep putting up with the crap being thrown at us, what you describe will become reality.
I typed that too quickly, but you guys obviously figured out I meant, "I'd rather *have* …"
Let's be clear. We're talking about supporting children in their struggle against immoral and unhinged bureaucracies. We're talking about peaceful noncompliance. This is the high road. This is what will prevent bloody civil war.
Go read your Thoreau.
Except that gato put no restrictions on his suggestion that we become ungovernable, thus it includes anything and everything anti-government. I continue to stand firm. That's dangerous and is doomed to failure.
We must learn that to expect God to do everything while we do nothing is not faith but superstition.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
I do not expect that. I do want his guidance and help.
Which He gives. We ask, but don't always understand Him. Sometimes, we don't want to hear and sometimes we don't understand. These days, it seems that more and more people are listening to the wrong guide. Evil seems having a moment. but the greatest gift we have from God is free will. He will never condemn us, we condemn ourselves.
Wow! Look at me--giving a homily! So not like me. I guess I am getting more philosophical in my old age.
X 1000. all over the world...
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article255731341.html
The Founders, in the Declaration, "put no restrictions" so to speak on how to achieve their objective. They became ungovernable themselves. In fact, they defied the rules of combat at the time and targeted officers, not just regulars, in combat.
Yes, what the Founders did was dangerous, but of course it was not doomed to failure.
I sort of agree with most of that. I think there's a difference between throwing off an evil dictatorship and becoming ungovernable. Our Founders, were not ungovernable. Any edifice whether physical or mental that is designed or developed by Man will, ultimately fail. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God himself did not fail. He gave us the choice and the ability to make our choices --- and we must accept the responsibility in the end.
Not true, there have been several anarchist societies in history, but they were murdered by governments (government is the institution that BY FAR has murdered the most people in the history of the human race - no contest). Read "Whatever Happened to Justice" by Richard Maybury to understand more.
Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?
Martin Luther King Jr.
Sort of true. Ever drive across a bridge or taken an elevator to the 120th floor? And fools follow the head lemming over the cliff's edge.
I get your point, but bridges and elevators are products of true capitalism, not government.
Actually, teaching kids to oppose tyranny is healthy. Or just go with Irish Democracy.
I absolutely agree, Bootsorourke. But that also requires teaching them, while still young, how to recognize and discern the difference between tyranny and proper governance. Simply being ungovernable is not a good thing to teach our young.
Yes teach children critical thinking and team work and social cooperation. But don’t teach kids to be governed. It’s for leaders to govern well so the children don’t need to revolt.
False. We tried it your way for half a century. Things got worse.
https://youtu.be/W_IFHYzk0rY
Thanks, Jimluk! Added to my Resistance Art playlist.
I like this one too, music for the uprising https://youtu.be/Qu_ozjAu_vM
Fun! 😎
This is powerful. The media will ignore it because it doesn’t involve a BLM rally or a trans kid. These kids are the real heroes.
😂🤣👍
In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
It was TikTok kids who invented #clotshot.
This is unbelievably powerful btw. It's also a very sad future metaphor for those parents who weren't so switched on.
I live in Germany. Until a few weeks ago, children in my area had to wear a mask all day long.
Now that this measure has been lifted, here is what happens in the school my 10 years old is attending:
- The main teacher did not communicate to the children that they could remove their masks. As a result, all children still wear the mask, them being afraid of contaminating the teacher and/or others, and as a result being put in quarantine and having to miss school.
- A new teacher encouraged the children to remove their masks, and so they did.
- A third teacher stated to the children that she is suffering from a medical condition that makes her a target of the virus, and that they must keep the mask.
So now instead of a government imposed detrimental measure, we have thousands of local tyrants in the classrooms.
I start to believe that this is beyond repair.
These shoes are made for walking
And that’s just what they’ll do. One of these days gonna walk all over you.
love it love it love it, sing it loud nancy sinatra!
First they woke the Mama Bears
Then they pissed off the cubs
Love this! I took my son out of school in 2011 and we never looked back.
“Become ungovernable!” should be our rallying cry. #BecomeUngovernable
Well-adjusted children are surprisingly consistent about correctly identifying bullying, when it's happening, and standing against it.
Well-adjusted ones, mind. That's up to us.
I am hopeful that the greatest generation of independent critical thinkers is being formed right now. Once they look back they will fully understand how much they were abused, lied to, and betrayed by their government, their teachers, and many even by their own parents. They will never be asleep at the wheel like the generations that allowed this disaster to take place.
Good for them! Quite impressive display. Wonder if it will matter.
It will matter for them. That’s all that matters.
It reminds me of the shoes left on the banks of the Danube in Budapest….. commemorating the Jews that were thrown to drown in the river .
Just as in emperor's new clothes, the children will see true and call out the lies and deceits that the adults are too afraid criticize.
Hey, teacher, leave us kids alone!
https://www.peakprosperity.com/its-go-time-urgent-message-to-our-peak-prosperity-community/
… and a little child will lead them.
Sending your kids to a government school is pretty much throwing them into a meat grinder. Like it's not worth driving a shittier Audi to go private?
Very powerful!
Love this.
WOW! If that ain't powerful, I do not know what is. Saying so much without saying a word....Out of the mouths of babes so to speak...
Yay kids...and the adults behind this. <3
This is a very effective image. Hopefully parents & students at schools across the country will do the exact same thing.
Showing leftists how rebellion is done!
I pity the (likely) millions of children that are, for all practical purposes, becoming the latest cohort of guinea pigs in the largest Phase 3 drug trial ever conducted. How many parents are aware that for almost zero statistical benefit (e.g. preventing disease or even its spread!) they are rolling the dice with their children's lives and certainly their long-term health? This is monstrous beyond anything I've ever experienced in my life. I'm fortunate that I don't have school-aged children subject to such experimentation, because I probably would do something that would land me in prison or worse.
Powerful image, hope it makes an impact. Wonder if their local media will cover it? One of those pesky anti -Covid stories they don't like to touch. Shouldn't those children just be happy to go to school masked and vaxed? They should actually be grateful.
I love how all the shoes are pointed in the exit direction!!!
Are you sure that this picture wasn't taken BEFORE that super effective Big Bird ad and Fauci revealing that he personally injected Santa Claus?
under 21 the vaccine is child abise, we don't sell cigafrette and liquor how can we give them rna!~!!
democrat politics 101: When teachers lose jobs because students leave school, the policy will change.
“And the children shall lead the way”…
I'm sorry, gato, I must disagree on your choice of words though I believe I understand (and agree) with your probable intent.
I am not fond of the entreaty to become "ungovernable." It is too broad and has too many, powerful negative connotations. There are many laws and ordinances that SHOULD be obeyed. I do not wish us to become a lawless society!!! THAT is exactly what the left has encouraged and financed the BLM and ANTIFA mobs to become.
I prefer the phrase "resist tyranny."
civilized people do not need government.
your faming that we must have laws that must be obeyed indicates, to my mind, a deep misunderstanding of what it is to be free.
society is a social contract that all should willingly join.
it must offer more than it takes. by agreeing not to take things from or harm others, i gain protection for my things and my person.
if i choose not to, that is no concern of the society until i violate someone's rights.
people trivialize that distinction at their peril.
the punishment for failing to, say, pay taxes, should be nothing. there should be no seizure, no force, nothing.
but you also lose protection and now stand alone.
that should always be a choice you can make without fear of attack or coercion by the state.
that has ZERO to do with BLM or antifa. those are totalitarians and fascists, not anarchists or libertarians.
you're mistaking their brochure for the reality of the vacation.
what you call "resisting tyranny" is really just getting a little breathing room while you wait for the next round of tyrants to come for you.
this idea that order must come from government IS the seed of inevitable tyranny.
order must emerge from the bottom up, not be imposed from the top down.
the right to become ungovernable and remove any public order than has become oppressive to one's basic liberty is the very essence of what it is to be a citizen rather than a subject.
i stand by my word choice.
it was not chosen casually.
I quite like the idea of "become ungovernable", but I don't see it as a blanket statement for all things. One must be selective in its use. I see it as a necessary response to the current tyranny that seeks to impose itself on the citizens under the guise of being something else, a sleight of hand so to speak. The big problem is that the average citizen must be able to recognize tyranny. At this moment in time, it appears that far too many do not see the tyranny that is looming ever larger over their lives, it's still the wolf in sheep's clothing for them. They still view tyrannical actions as a kind of benign albeit annoying protection, a concern for their well being, a force for good to keep them safe. Such people are still asleep and feel somewhat comforted by a perceived safety of the limited little boxes they are being forced into.
You're wrong and misguided. I urge caution. Murder, rape, arson, theft, etc. - those are NOT good laws to disobey or to become ungovernable over. Horrible drugs that are mandated ARE. I'll go along with you that far, but not much further.
you have no comprehension of this topic and argue by straw man and crude, illiterate presumption.
not sure what else to tell you. the comments you're making are so orthogonal they're not even wrong, just irrelevant.
A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.
Mahatma Gandhi
In Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
And Twitter censored it
Brilliant illustration. Even the mentally challenged might 'get' this.
"... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness..."
These days the people need to govern the governments.
"Become ungovernable".....a good motto at this point in things.
Fantastic!
rumor has it that one kid wrote that she'd rather be exposed to information that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton than be exposed to a single dose of the (one and done forever) vaccines.
Is it true?
<sarcasm>
Folks, be careful here. If you want to follow el gato and open all the prison doors and create a society of zero rules, laws and restrictions, go ahead, but you will NOT like where that takes you.
have you run out of bizarre straw men yet?
Stop it gato, You're embarrassing yourself now.
Seriously? You think your comment WASN'T one that would make Barack Obama, Straw Man Extraordinaire, blush? Even before I read the cat's reply, I understood your comment to be nothing BUT straw men.
If you *really* think he's calling to "open all the prison doors and create a society of zero rules, laws and restrictions", then it's impossible to have a reasonable debate or discussion with you. That claim of yours is just absurd.
Troll
so, that's a "no" on running out of straw men?
or was it a yes and a switch to ad hominem as a way to try to exit an argument you're losing
What are you talking about? Not complying with unlawful mandates/orders is night-and-day different than opening prison doors and creating a society of zero rules.
No government. No laws. No jails. No prisons. No military. No borders. etc. Create any of those things and you begin to build (or re-build) a government which is the opposite of what el gato has called for.
I see you are arguing against your own imagination, not what was said. If you care to leave fantasy-land and respond to actual typed words, let someone know.
Mute
So.. just go along with the Banana Republic stuff, then? Will we like where THAT takes us?
Absolutely not. I said I agree with resisting tyranny. I've often said on this site that we should (SHOULD) resist the vaccine and mask MANDATES. I have NEVER called for lawlessness and that will be the result in calling for undefined "ungovernability."
I only urged caution. el gato exploded it.
Humans cannot live together without rules. Even in a pure anarcho-capitalist society, there will be laws and law-enforcing organizations. Just not a monopoly on the use of force by a group that unilaterally determines its own salary and is the final judge in all disputes concerning itself. But this is a topic for another day.
Thank you!
Brilliant and powerful. Now we need the same for children that will be leaving the Earth after they are the unfortunate ones with adverse vax events.