There is often a continuum that has safety at one end and efficacy at the other. Drive your car @ 20mph and no matter what happens, you are safer than when you drive at 60mph. As a culture, we accept a certain amount of hazard to our persons based on the speed limit.
It is typically human that we willing acknowledge that we live in a dangerous world in some matters, but unwilling do so in others.
Well, technically, if you drive 20 mph around people who are driving 60 mph you are way less safe than if you were driving 60 mph, but the point overall is well taken
Right. Completely agree. All analogies break down at some point.
On the other hand, its unfair to require these 'parade practisers" to think about safety in the overall context of reality as opposed to theirown comfort. How dare you!
If you drive 20 in a 60 zone, you are signaling that your *feeling* of safety is more important than your or other people's *actual* safety.
I'll try it. Except I'm too lazy to grow my own food. Thus my deep respect for farmers and ranchers ;-). Not sure how the ivermectin works on tyranny, but whatever works!
It might be their parents are quad boosted and they forced their kids into being triple jabbed. Now the whole family is fighting chronic vax syndrome. VAIDS.
i have 2 family members that had long covid, i believe some of what you say here may be true however i also see what they eat and its fucking disgusting, they are walking lumps of toxicity. diet may play a role in this, of course their children eat the same shit!
The tricky part is determining what is "good" and what is "bad". In my experience, much of the conventional wisdom on "healthy diet" is bunk. Also the stdev of human physiology is so vast that what is healthy for one person may be harmful to another. There is well documented evidence of harm from low fat and low sodium diets, for example, which can be devastating for some people. And should we bring in the fad of "meatlessness" that is approaching criminally insane levels today? It can be a challenge to figure out what is really healthy, especially if you are prone to listen to others rather than how your body is reacting.
Well. True. But moderation is also bunk. Big Food engineers everything processed in a lab to trigger desire for more. Food bought around the edges of the grocery is not as apt to trigger that. I am keto or low carb with emphasis on good animal products. Low fat and low 😁cholesterol is a con engineered by Ancel Keyes back in the 50’s with a fraudulent study and a take no prisoners personality. Hence statins—another waste of money and fraud. Plus dangerous. I eat this way for 11 years and I have no chronic disease and at 74 run my 50 year old daughters butt off. I love meat! Had runny nose Covid before shots. Not a sniffle since. Take care. Sounds like you are doing ok. Mind in the right places.
The vegan propaganda and stronh push towards no meat scares me, since my body does not agree with that AT ALL. I tried, multiple times, and I felt miserable every single time. I fear eventually I'll have no choice, though. It'll be starve to death or eat plants.
Definitely won't, will not, at all, eat any insects, unless one inadvertently got into my salad and I didn't know about it. But don't think that has ever happened, hopefully.
Listening to your body is important too. Once one gets the ultra-processed garbage out, it gets so much easier. It’s full of chemicals crested to hijack your brain chemistry.
“Metabolical” is a great book to get started toward a healthier lifestyle :)
I suspect if you had objective data you'd find the "symptoms" they attribute to 'long covid' were present before the term was invented, likely even before SARS-cov-19 was discovered. Perhaps induced by diet or other choices in this particular example.
The "long COVID" invention provides conveniently a reason not to explore any of those other possibilities.
I used to work in a small ad agency (<100 people) in which 2 of the hysterical 30-something "creatives" had fibromyalgia. I used to ask them, "What are the odds, both of you have this...this disease?" But they never understood I was making fun of them. Insufferable victims of their own neuroticism.
Yeah, there is a strong element of victimhood in these things, but chronic pain that has no obvious physical cause is a real thing that has psychological roots. I just don’t think people claiming Long Covid should be lauded as valiant casualties of the mean old ‘Rona virus.
Sometimes it may have psychological roots, but many times it has physical roots that are not obvious. Docs are pretty good at diagnosing the cause of pain when you are bleeding profusely or a bone is sticking out at an angle or in more pieces than designed. My mom suffered chronic pain for decades and all the docs treated with a combination of drugs that either killed the pain or targeted "psychological". It took 40 years to find a doc that wanted to actually look for a physical cause, which was eventually found. Unfortunately 4 decades of drugs prescribed to not treat the underlying problem destroyed her liver which ultimately was fatal.
The phrase "do no harm" has been mostly forgotten in medicine today.
Is it merely 'victimhood', or is there an element of demanding sympathy? (Not to mention the built-in excuses for underperformance, missed deadlines and the like.)
So really, what you're saying it's that's poor environmental factors on top of a genetic weakness.
And after X amount of years eating rubbish, there comes a time where you start to feel a bit poorly. Funny that.
Maybe they've felt like crap for years, but now that there's this label of 'long covid' they can jump on that ridiculously pathetic diagnosis and claim their status among the other idiots in life.
well long flu has been around a long time, i suspect the same story here too but it wasnt so well known and probably a more genuine toxic load/deficiency issue
chiropractors seem to understand the body so much better than gp's. i think doctors should go to your schools!
Hmmm. As an AU health professional for 16 years, I have never heard of 'long flu' - is it just a US thing?
Maybe it's just the medicos making up more illnesses...so they can medicate for them! Like "GERD" - gastrointestinal esophageal reflux disease'. I mean, I thought heartburn was pretty well-known, as was reflux, but no, they had to go and make up yet another acronym...for the same bloody thing.
no idea, im from the UK lol like i said i think its people with deficiency issues
interestingly i was treated for GERD for 20 years, ended up in a bad way with diabetes. the doc said i'd have it for life and it will probably kill me (the diabetes) it took me 4 months to reverse along with asthma, allergies and psoriasis all gone just by changing my diet. from 6 meds to 0. i regret the GERD drugs the most though as they might lead to cancer. my trust in doctors was shattered the day i figured out it was all fixable without meds
Great point. These days everything has to be pathologized and blamed on anything but things we can take responsibility for. Instead, the solution always comes over the counter in a box or jar.
I bought 100 rolls of extra toilet paper due to the Covid card parties I threw every afternoon (happy hour)during “lock down”. Don’t shame the people who needed the extra TP 😜
I totally want to join team mock the made-up diseased people, but it’s easy to do that when it’s not you. I have two autistic boys and I’m told either A) I must be a sucky parent (sometimes I won’t argue that), B) it must be in their genes, or C) nothing is wrong and it’s totally fine to behave the way they do - who says you should be able to speak functionally anyways?
We’re in a mess, people. Blaming anxiety, the parents, or what have you is not helping. People are not all right, and making light of it doesn’t help.
Autism is another example of an overly-broad diagnostic definition that provides little meaningful guidance. Thus no real help either in figuring out what to do. It's real, but really it is lots of things which may be very different, with different underlying physiologies and psychologies. Blaming is seldom an effective remedy. Information is more helpful. Having seen a number of friends and peers deal with children diagnoses as autistic, and seeing how very different the kids are from one another, it is no surprise that what works for one kid doesn't work for another. I can see the frustration, and the lack of real help they get from "the experts", who's advice is often completely inappropriate for their kids (but might work for some other kid).
What I've observed is the parents that ultimately realized they were mostly on their own in figuring out what to do have found effective strategies and the kids are doing OK. Best thoughts that you too can find a path to success and happiness.
But where I’m at in my frustration (thus mildly irritated at the suggestion that long covid in kids is just parental projection or failure) is how we can just calmly talk about how we all know multiple people who are navigating incredibly complex conditions, especially neurologically challenged children, and discuss how some things are helpful and some things are not, while not fully acknowledging the elephant in the room: the fact that something is destroying the kids and and quite rapidly. I can fight my way through medical, psychological, and behavioral therapists (and have been at it for many years now), but until we’re willing to figure out what’s happening and stop possible root causes of this mess, this will just continue to get worse.
I can’t imagine your frustration trying to do right as a parent and wanting so badly to get the needed help and information. My good friend was a special education teacher that spoke of different techniques needed differently for each child and degree of autism. She was the most patient and calm person I ever knew. She had several trips to ER for injuries sustained in class, but never ever blamed the child. I keep reading about the increased child vaccinations now required compared to the number few decades ago. If we had a real NIH instead of an agency in lockstep with big pharma, maybe we would know why autism has increased so much in the last 20-30 years. I don’t think these commenters mean to make light of persons with medical/mental diagnoses, but rather the ones using long covid as an excuse to be lazy, not work, not change their diet or lack of exercise.
I know - it's totally my "hobby horse" to always bring it back to autism. It's not really fair as it doesn't always compare, but I do wonder if there's something else at play. And having been on the receiving end of being "shrugged off" when my kid was in dire straits for a mysterious issue, I'm just pointing out that there may be something going on. (Your friend sounds amazing, by the way!)
I agree with you - I think there are links between many of the illnesses that have so greatly increased in recent years. Autism. Autonomic dysfunction. CFS (which I think is the same as Long Covid).
One of my autistic sons also has PANS - another layer of immune system dysfunction. There was a day where I was going to scream if someone just told me that going stricter on diet or finding the right supplement or vitamin was the right way to go. Or just exercise more. Or we’re imagining it. Or worse - he’s autistic and it’s “normal”. It’s not long covid, but it’s a post-illness inflammatory/immune system disregulation disorder…and I’d bet they’re all linked.
There’s probably a lot going on and it’s difficult to find the right resources or the right doctor. I’ll say a prayer for you and your two boys that you find guidance, comfort and help. (yes, my friend was an amazing teacher, friend, parent, person. She retired 2 years ago, but works part time to help set up IEPs.)
Gato Malo persists in dismissing, out of hand, those with Long Covid. While I agree the commonly held 25% figure may be high, and that there are hysterics and imposters impersonating Long Haulers for secondary gain, I dispute Gato's premise here, which is that this is primarily such a situation. In the first place, Gato is entirely incorrect stating that there are "no known biomarkers." Bruce Patterson's group has very clearly identified persistent biomarkers of inflammation in those who have Long Covid. They do a panel of around 12 biomarkers including Interleukin 6, Tumor Necrosis Factor Alpha,-13,-2,-4,-10, CCL5,4 and 3, and others. Feel free to look it up at IntellDx. I have one patient with very clear Long Covid symptoms including persistent loss of smell and brain fog. She had positive biomarkers per Dr. Patterson's panel. Secondly, Gato is particularly vicious in his ad hominem attack on those afflicted, with statements such as "most of its loudest proponents are the anxiety raddled and the chronic disease grifters." Such pejorative language is insufferable, given the fact that many people, including three of my patients, one of whom is a young relative, suffer very clearly from Long Covid. I don't know what Gato's agenda is here, but it certainly is not objective or very becoming for an otherwise helpful source of information. Please desist!
A big irony here is that for the past 35 years, leaders at NIH have similarly dismissed those who suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (which I believe is the same condition, and which also results in abnormal cytokine patterns). And the biggest perpetrator of this dismissal is — Tony Fauci.
I am still wondering what gato malo (whoever he/she/they is who publishes a lot and organizes nothing) intentions are by deliberately misleading on this subject. Since Gato(s) states categorically that there are no biomarkers for Long Covid, or PASC (Post-acute Sequelae of Covid) and this is demonstratively false, I want to call attention to the work of Stephanie Seneff, et.al. in this preprint article:
This article discusses the role that prion like diseases play as a result of Covid virus and especially as a result of the clot shots with their delivery of much greater amounts of spike proteins. I will direct the interested reader, including Gato(s) to Part 5 on page 6 of Seneff's article and the discussion therein of PASC, its abundant biomarkers, and possible biological mechanisms. Does Gato(s) presume to know more about this subject than Seneff, McCullugh, et.al.? If so, please step forward and repudiate their article's contents in this regard. If you won't, please keep your trap shut in your incessant trumpeting that Long Covid does not exist!
He’s admitted the loss of taste and smell is caused by Covid on previous posts. That being said, my healthcare practitioner has reversed Covid induced anosmia by treating for parasites. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24413543/
Yet still no mention of amyloiditis, protease and prion diseases.... I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss 'brain fog' as spike breaks down and/or crosses the blood/brain barrier... This is not new speculation or research, why then dismiss it as due to the feckless?
Well except that there are those who DO know what fibromyalgia is. (When it's real, which is not 100% of the time.)
It's a corn allergy. (Or sometimes another food allergy.)
Those who find their allergies and get _completely_ off of both their allergy(ies) and _all_ processed foods with hidden ingredients eventually find they don't have it anymore. Because you're part right, the disease actually doesn't exist... but at least _some_ of the time the symptoms actually do.
I gave up all grains and seed oils 11 years ago. My joint pain and gerd disappeared right away. No wobbly feelings in my legs and much of my anxiety went away.
I totally see the point here, but on a personal note, I've noticed something similar in my hubby (we're unvaxxed, unmasked, blah blah). His bout with Covid was really traumatic; we both thought he was going to die. He managed to stay out of the hospital and made a full recovery, but has had insane problems with heat ever since, which sucks bc we live in AZ. He literally gets something like heat stroke that lasts for about three days every time he gets too hot, even if it's only been an hour. Doc can't figure it out, and yes, there's part of me that wonders if it's mental. But it sure seems real and it affects our lives. So to say that it's not a thing at all seems a bit extreme to me.
I agree completely, Mary. This issue is far more nuanced than simply asserting Long COVID is (or is not) a thing.
Case in point:
> Many chronic, "invisible" illnesses have a strong neurological component ~ and "neural retraining" can go a long way to change the neurological/biochemical reactions in the body, thereby reversing/eliminating symptoms.
In fact, I myself recovered completely from 10+ years of debilitating symptoms of chronic environmental illness (mold, chemical and electrical sensitivity) using my own customized approach to neural retraining.
In addition, my adult son who is a deeply entrenched Covidian, recovered from almost all of his long COVID symptoms when he realized the degree to which his symptoms were the result of stress-related somatization.
In addition, many researchers have found that the onset of virtually ALL cases of Fibromyalgia is usually preceded by some form of trauma (car accidents, for example) that dysregulate the nervous system. To the extent that this is the case, many cases of trauma, PTSD and fibromyalgia all respond extremely well to neural retraining (i.e., resetting the stress response within the central nervous system).
However, on the other side of the fence, there is very clear evidence that the spike protein (both viral and vaccinal) can trigger the reactivation of latent viruses, such as Epstein Barr and the viruses that contribute to chronic fatigue.
In fact, there is a very strong similarity between Long COVID and many forms of post-vaccination injury syndrome.
For this reason, I strongly recommend that anyone who is dealing with either Long COVID and/or vaccine injury review the protocols being used for BOTH syndromes, since these protocols seem to be helping with many of the symptoms associated with both of these debilitating health issues:
I'm going through a similar thing with my spouse (also un-jabbed, un-masked). Things haven't been the same since we came down with covid, and after a long series of testing the best Corporate Medicine could assess was "symptoms of unknown cause." (One doc said flat out: "It's all in her head. A panic attack.") We then found the FLCCC long-covid protocol, and it gave my wife her life back---from being bed-ridden for 6 weeks to 85% functional now.
After six months, we've found that mild dehydration is still a trigger. When she gets too hot, or goes too long without water intake, her system starts ramping up histamines and then things fall apart 12-24 hours later. So we keep an antihistamine (Zyrtec) on hand to recover quickly when a histamine attack starts and keep the water flowing.
Prayers Up that your hubby finds the healing he needs. He's not the only one, long covid is real, and it can adversely affect lives. But that's not to say that hypochondriacs and attention seekers won't attribute their own sense of symptoms to 'long covid'.
Her symptoms start with flu-like unease---upset stomach, fatigue, and a 'funny feeling' in her legs. Very similar to 'heat stroke', no? If we don't catch it early, the symptoms go downhill from there and normal metrics (body temp, blood pressure, blood O2 levels) are all fine, except her heart rate elevates.
The histamine correlation is by deduction. The relationship between dehydration and elevated histamine levels is pretty well established (https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=dehydration+elevated+histamine+levels). Back in Feb, I was reading anecdotal evidence that antihistamines were helping with long-covid symptoms. But antihistamines just mask the problem. This is where the FLCCC protocol comes in handy. It targets (at least) three things: suppress viral replication (ivermectin, quercetin); reduce inflammation (prednisone, curcumin, vit C, omega-3); and calm nerves/stress (mindfulness, melatonin). Once she started on those three prongs, her symptoms dropped off dramatically.
She still has the occasional 'off day', but the episodes occur much farther apart in time and dramatically less in severity. We've been trying "Liquid IV" as well, as a way to replace electrolytes after an episode, but not sure it's helping all that much.
The key was to find a good doctor that didn't write off the symptoms. We found success working with a local homeopath and myfreedoctor.com. Hope you can find a solution soon!
So very glad to see these great resources, William. Thank you for taking time to share.
Regarding electrolytes ~ My understanding is that magnesium is depleted when we are under *any* type of stress (including heat) ~ and keeping the potassium/sodium "pump" in balance is vitally important, too.
Just wondering if the following products that support electrolyte balance would be helpful?
I have no vested interest in either of these product lines. However, the pHour Salts and the ionic mag/pot have all been extremely helpful to me ~ and I was just wondering if they might be helpful to others with heat intolerance.
Parent: Doctor! Doctor! My child is lethargic and depressed, do you think it’s long Covid? I’m sure that’s what it is!
Doctor: Um, nope. Your child was lethargic and depressed before 2020. Don’t you remember? I prescribed more exercise, less TV and better nutrition at the time. That still holds. Beside he didn’t have Covid. That was you. Stop projecting on to your child. Besides, you don’t have long Covid either. You were lethargic and depressed before, too.
"No, no, no", I hear from Long Covid Haulers, "I literally have symptoms that are not going away; this is not in my head". As if mental and emotional stress have never in the history of medicine manifested into physical symptoms.
It is possible, even likely, that for some of those people it is not psychosomatic, but symptoms with a real physiological cause that has been not detected. Because it can be called "long covid" and so we need not explain it further, the actual cause is not found (or sought) and so symptoms persist. In many of those cases it is also likely that if, properly diagnosed, there is an effective treatment available. Sad. But typical of how medicine is done.
Definitely there are people with actual conditions that need to be addressed, even a very small percentage with actual long covid. Some small percentage suffering from lack of treatment early on in the pandemic when there were no therapeutics being offered and people with covid were told to go home and tough it out and if it gets bad enough they can come back to the hospital and be put on a ventilator and die. Also, as you mention, there are certainly other maladies being labeled as long covid. Medicine these days is highly infected with "the latest thing" syndrome. Whatever is popular becomes the easy diagnosis as that treatment usual involves people making money, and it's easier than trying to find the actual cause of someone's ailment.
I am highly skeptical of long covid. It doesn't make sense. That there are underlying physical conditions causing symptoms that go undetected seems very likely. The "the latest thing" syndrome is obviously present and very likely masking real conditions due to a failure to consider the need to even look further than "long covid".
Brain has a tremendous affect on pain. Most “pain clinics” just prolong or medicate physical pain in the body brought on by inaccurate knowledge given to your brain that activates pain to protect you. Drugs or exercise don’t fix it. Anxiety, fear, unexpressed anger causes pain. Dr John Sarno wrote the book describing this common phenomenon he called TMS. Tension Myositis Syndrome. This is where most pain comes from along with other chronic conditions that bother some but not others. I have stopped several pain issues—back, foot, knee, hip by employing his and other peoples practices to deal with what our subconscious minds sees as danger. It’s a fascinating field.
I'm personally suffering from Long Tyranny still. Just can't seem to shake it.
Help for Long Tyranny can be found at any gun store.
Safe? Not sure. Effective—certainly.
Very. I always feel more safe when I'm armed ;-).
There is often a continuum that has safety at one end and efficacy at the other. Drive your car @ 20mph and no matter what happens, you are safer than when you drive at 60mph. As a culture, we accept a certain amount of hazard to our persons based on the speed limit.
It is typically human that we willing acknowledge that we live in a dangerous world in some matters, but unwilling do so in others.
Well, technically, if you drive 20 mph around people who are driving 60 mph you are way less safe than if you were driving 60 mph, but the point overall is well taken
Right. Completely agree. All analogies break down at some point.
On the other hand, its unfair to require these 'parade practisers" to think about safety in the overall context of reality as opposed to theirown comfort. How dare you!
If you drive 20 in a 60 zone, you are signaling that your *feeling* of safety is more important than your or other people's *actual* safety.
Remember "your mask protects me"?
Seems to be a lot of that going around. Tylenol does nothing.
Tylenol causes liver damage within a very narrow dosing range and it's much more dangerous than ivermectin...
Please definite "very narrow dosing range" and provide reference. I do agree that it is more dangerous than ivermectin.
I think you both might have missed the sarcasm in the thread.
Pretty sure ivermectin is not an effective treatment for long tyranny either.
Just sayin'
Although, Wide spread fear mongering about ivermectin, or even banning in some severe cases, can be useful to confirm the diagnosis!
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I relished the sarcasm. I just went off on a tylenol tangent.
Grow food, pay cash and se ivermectin to combat tyranny.
I'll try it. Except I'm too lazy to grow my own food. Thus my deep respect for farmers and ranchers ;-). Not sure how the ivermectin works on tyranny, but whatever works!
over 3,500 mg a day depending on weight and metabolism
https://www.schmidtlaw.com/tylenol-is-leading-cause-of-acute-liver-failure-in-u-s/
Very narrow margin, given that the recommended maximum dose is 3,000 mg per day. I always take it with NAC.
nor cannabis...
cannabis and alcohol are effective at reducing the patients awareness of the condition.
and in doing so eliminates the condition.
for awareness is all that it is...
I was talking about tyranny as "the condition". May have gotten off topic just a teeny little bit...
The world has allowed tyranny to become way too long in the fangs.
Well, I hate to say this, but it may end up red in tooth and claw if we don't fight those fangs.
Hope I don't get in trouble....
"long" tranny ... so m2f transition, ammirite ?
Took me a while to clue in! Good one.
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As are we all. But many are simply not recognizing the diagnosis ;-)
Sweet!
Sounds like the teens are suffering from rapid onset COVID dysphoria.
No way, they were Born That Way!
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ROCD... Isn't there a pill for that? I think it is red...
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It might be their parents are quad boosted and they forced their kids into being triple jabbed. Now the whole family is fighting chronic vax syndrome. VAIDS.
LongWokeMindVirus...
Sounds like Wokey-Pox to me.
i have 2 family members that had long covid, i believe some of what you say here may be true however i also see what they eat and its fucking disgusting, they are walking lumps of toxicity. diet may play a role in this, of course their children eat the same shit!
Diet plays a role in *everything*. Our cells are literally made of the food that we eat.
i must be 80% duck egg by now!
I'm feeling very bovine lately having been fed a stead diet of BS by the media ;-)
Great comments. I think Gato is proud of us.
LOL’ing the night away !!!
It’s the fuel to run our body snd brain. Along with air and water. Bad food. Bad health. Might get away with it when young but catches up eventually.
The tricky part is determining what is "good" and what is "bad". In my experience, much of the conventional wisdom on "healthy diet" is bunk. Also the stdev of human physiology is so vast that what is healthy for one person may be harmful to another. There is well documented evidence of harm from low fat and low sodium diets, for example, which can be devastating for some people. And should we bring in the fad of "meatlessness" that is approaching criminally insane levels today? It can be a challenge to figure out what is really healthy, especially if you are prone to listen to others rather than how your body is reacting.
Well. True. But moderation is also bunk. Big Food engineers everything processed in a lab to trigger desire for more. Food bought around the edges of the grocery is not as apt to trigger that. I am keto or low carb with emphasis on good animal products. Low fat and low 😁cholesterol is a con engineered by Ancel Keyes back in the 50’s with a fraudulent study and a take no prisoners personality. Hence statins—another waste of money and fraud. Plus dangerous. I eat this way for 11 years and I have no chronic disease and at 74 run my 50 year old daughters butt off. I love meat! Had runny nose Covid before shots. Not a sniffle since. Take care. Sounds like you are doing ok. Mind in the right places.
great to hear, im on the same path!
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
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Whatever is recommended by the 3 letter agencies, you can basically do the opposite. Eat the things that humans ate 100 years ago.
Yep. See the Weston A. Price Foundation for good guidance.
Yes!! Wise Traditions conference is in Knoxville this year!
The vegan propaganda and stronh push towards no meat scares me, since my body does not agree with that AT ALL. I tried, multiple times, and I felt miserable every single time. I fear eventually I'll have no choice, though. It'll be starve to death or eat plants.
They want us to eat no meat. There is some credible evidence to suggest people who eat no meat become less able to fight.
Definitely won't, will not, at all, eat any insects, unless one inadvertently got into my salad and I didn't know about it. But don't think that has ever happened, hopefully.
keep on hoping....
“…how YOUR body is reacting.”
That’s the 🔑
Listening to your body is important too. Once one gets the ultra-processed garbage out, it gets so much easier. It’s full of chemicals crested to hijack your brain chemistry.
“Metabolical” is a great book to get started toward a healthier lifestyle :)
I highly recommend fermented foods such as beer and wine. Gets you over the Covid misery....
Eat real food- shop the perimeter.
I suspect if you had objective data you'd find the "symptoms" they attribute to 'long covid' were present before the term was invented, likely even before SARS-cov-19 was discovered. Perhaps induced by diet or other choices in this particular example.
The "long COVID" invention provides conveniently a reason not to explore any of those other possibilities.
It’s all Psychogenic Pain Disorder. People just name it whatever is trendy and popular. Used to be Fibromyalgia. Now it’s Long Covid.
I used to work in a small ad agency (<100 people) in which 2 of the hysterical 30-something "creatives" had fibromyalgia. I used to ask them, "What are the odds, both of you have this...this disease?" But they never understood I was making fun of them. Insufferable victims of their own neuroticism.
Yeah, there is a strong element of victimhood in these things, but chronic pain that has no obvious physical cause is a real thing that has psychological roots. I just don’t think people claiming Long Covid should be lauded as valiant casualties of the mean old ‘Rona virus.
Sometimes it may have psychological roots, but many times it has physical roots that are not obvious. Docs are pretty good at diagnosing the cause of pain when you are bleeding profusely or a bone is sticking out at an angle or in more pieces than designed. My mom suffered chronic pain for decades and all the docs treated with a combination of drugs that either killed the pain or targeted "psychological". It took 40 years to find a doc that wanted to actually look for a physical cause, which was eventually found. Unfortunately 4 decades of drugs prescribed to not treat the underlying problem destroyed her liver which ultimately was fatal.
The phrase "do no harm" has been mostly forgotten in medicine today.
Is it merely 'victimhood', or is there an element of demanding sympathy? (Not to mention the built-in excuses for underperformance, missed deadlines and the like.)
You hit the 🎯
So really, what you're saying it's that's poor environmental factors on top of a genetic weakness.
And after X amount of years eating rubbish, there comes a time where you start to feel a bit poorly. Funny that.
Maybe they've felt like crap for years, but now that there's this label of 'long covid' they can jump on that ridiculously pathetic diagnosis and claim their status among the other idiots in life.
Did I miss anything?
You nailed it
“Funny that.” 🎯
well long flu has been around a long time, i suspect the same story here too but it wasnt so well known and probably a more genuine toxic load/deficiency issue
chiropractors seem to understand the body so much better than gp's. i think doctors should go to your schools!
Hmmm. As an AU health professional for 16 years, I have never heard of 'long flu' - is it just a US thing?
Maybe it's just the medicos making up more illnesses...so they can medicate for them! Like "GERD" - gastrointestinal esophageal reflux disease'. I mean, I thought heartburn was pretty well-known, as was reflux, but no, they had to go and make up yet another acronym...for the same bloody thing.
no idea, im from the UK lol like i said i think its people with deficiency issues
interestingly i was treated for GERD for 20 years, ended up in a bad way with diabetes. the doc said i'd have it for life and it will probably kill me (the diabetes) it took me 4 months to reverse along with asthma, allergies and psoriasis all gone just by changing my diet. from 6 meds to 0. i regret the GERD drugs the most though as they might lead to cancer. my trust in doctors was shattered the day i figured out it was all fixable without meds
“…all fixable without meds” 🎯🎯🎯
Are they all vaXXXed and boosted?
I suspect that, like monkey pox, “long Covid” is another description of clot shot damage.
1 of them wasnt at the time, but then stupidly got the jab after she recovered
Sheesh 🙄
Lotsa’ variables to consider
They probably felt like crap LONG before covid came around. Now they have an excuse to feel like crap and eat badly...disability???
Great point. These days everything has to be pathologized and blamed on anything but things we can take responsibility for. Instead, the solution always comes over the counter in a box or jar.
Long Karen is a form of chronic karentitis.
And it's a global pandemic!
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"Muh long covid" are simply jab side effects swept under the same rug. It's all so tiresome.
Yes, I've long suspected this in Canada.
Two excellent pieces in one day!
I am a simple person. And often confused by fancy numbers.
I reached the same conclusion through observation.
These are the same people who went out and bought 200 rolls of toilet paper for 15 days to slow the spread.
They're always going to need "help".
I bought 100 rolls of extra toilet paper due to the Covid card parties I threw every afternoon (happy hour)during “lock down”. Don’t shame the people who needed the extra TP 😜
Hope you don't have one of those low flush toilets. They always sound like a good idea until you use one...:)
Bolt-on bidet for the win!
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I always buy TP in those quanties because we generally buy all the dry stuff at only one, maybe two times per year, so maybe it doesn't count?
I do that too. Due to timing, I made sure to do so in Jan 20. Lasted a year as expected. Yawn.
I did laugh at the panickers tho...
Well, I would too if I had to take an ancient Viking boat across a fjord to get the basics.
I totally want to join team mock the made-up diseased people, but it’s easy to do that when it’s not you. I have two autistic boys and I’m told either A) I must be a sucky parent (sometimes I won’t argue that), B) it must be in their genes, or C) nothing is wrong and it’s totally fine to behave the way they do - who says you should be able to speak functionally anyways?
We’re in a mess, people. Blaming anxiety, the parents, or what have you is not helping. People are not all right, and making light of it doesn’t help.
Autism is another example of an overly-broad diagnostic definition that provides little meaningful guidance. Thus no real help either in figuring out what to do. It's real, but really it is lots of things which may be very different, with different underlying physiologies and psychologies. Blaming is seldom an effective remedy. Information is more helpful. Having seen a number of friends and peers deal with children diagnoses as autistic, and seeing how very different the kids are from one another, it is no surprise that what works for one kid doesn't work for another. I can see the frustration, and the lack of real help they get from "the experts", who's advice is often completely inappropriate for their kids (but might work for some other kid).
What I've observed is the parents that ultimately realized they were mostly on their own in figuring out what to do have found effective strategies and the kids are doing OK. Best thoughts that you too can find a path to success and happiness.
This is very, very true.
But where I’m at in my frustration (thus mildly irritated at the suggestion that long covid in kids is just parental projection or failure) is how we can just calmly talk about how we all know multiple people who are navigating incredibly complex conditions, especially neurologically challenged children, and discuss how some things are helpful and some things are not, while not fully acknowledging the elephant in the room: the fact that something is destroying the kids and and quite rapidly. I can fight my way through medical, psychological, and behavioral therapists (and have been at it for many years now), but until we’re willing to figure out what’s happening and stop possible root causes of this mess, this will just continue to get worse.
I frequently rant about the lack of seeking root causes. I sympathize with your situation.
Obviously you have already figured out you are the only real advocate for your children and arming yourself with knowledge is your best tool.
Thanks for being kind - I guess I just get on rants some days, whether it's helpful or not. :)
I can’t imagine your frustration trying to do right as a parent and wanting so badly to get the needed help and information. My good friend was a special education teacher that spoke of different techniques needed differently for each child and degree of autism. She was the most patient and calm person I ever knew. She had several trips to ER for injuries sustained in class, but never ever blamed the child. I keep reading about the increased child vaccinations now required compared to the number few decades ago. If we had a real NIH instead of an agency in lockstep with big pharma, maybe we would know why autism has increased so much in the last 20-30 years. I don’t think these commenters mean to make light of persons with medical/mental diagnoses, but rather the ones using long covid as an excuse to be lazy, not work, not change their diet or lack of exercise.
I know - it's totally my "hobby horse" to always bring it back to autism. It's not really fair as it doesn't always compare, but I do wonder if there's something else at play. And having been on the receiving end of being "shrugged off" when my kid was in dire straits for a mysterious issue, I'm just pointing out that there may be something going on. (Your friend sounds amazing, by the way!)
I agree with you - I think there are links between many of the illnesses that have so greatly increased in recent years. Autism. Autonomic dysfunction. CFS (which I think is the same as Long Covid).
And yes, these are all real - not psychosomatic.
One of my autistic sons also has PANS - another layer of immune system dysfunction. There was a day where I was going to scream if someone just told me that going stricter on diet or finding the right supplement or vitamin was the right way to go. Or just exercise more. Or we’re imagining it. Or worse - he’s autistic and it’s “normal”. It’s not long covid, but it’s a post-illness inflammatory/immune system disregulation disorder…and I’d bet they’re all linked.
There’s probably a lot going on and it’s difficult to find the right resources or the right doctor. I’ll say a prayer for you and your two boys that you find guidance, comfort and help. (yes, my friend was an amazing teacher, friend, parent, person. She retired 2 years ago, but works part time to help set up IEPs.)
I saw another article explaining that symptoms don’t need to be continuously present since the Covid diagnosis to be Long Covid.
I now wonder if my aching knees aren’t “middle age” but actually Long Chickenpox
And surely let's not forget Asymptomatic Long Covid - ALC - search for it!
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They could be damage from doing the Funky Chicken too much in the 70s. Long Funky Chicken.
Don’t…Stop… my belly aches from laughing 😂
Gato Malo persists in dismissing, out of hand, those with Long Covid. While I agree the commonly held 25% figure may be high, and that there are hysterics and imposters impersonating Long Haulers for secondary gain, I dispute Gato's premise here, which is that this is primarily such a situation. In the first place, Gato is entirely incorrect stating that there are "no known biomarkers." Bruce Patterson's group has very clearly identified persistent biomarkers of inflammation in those who have Long Covid. They do a panel of around 12 biomarkers including Interleukin 6, Tumor Necrosis Factor Alpha,-13,-2,-4,-10, CCL5,4 and 3, and others. Feel free to look it up at IntellDx. I have one patient with very clear Long Covid symptoms including persistent loss of smell and brain fog. She had positive biomarkers per Dr. Patterson's panel. Secondly, Gato is particularly vicious in his ad hominem attack on those afflicted, with statements such as "most of its loudest proponents are the anxiety raddled and the chronic disease grifters." Such pejorative language is insufferable, given the fact that many people, including three of my patients, one of whom is a young relative, suffer very clearly from Long Covid. I don't know what Gato's agenda is here, but it certainly is not objective or very becoming for an otherwise helpful source of information. Please desist!
100 percent agree with Tom Tunes’ comment above.
A big irony here is that for the past 35 years, leaders at NIH have similarly dismissed those who suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (which I believe is the same condition, and which also results in abnormal cytokine patterns). And the biggest perpetrator of this dismissal is — Tony Fauci.
Judy Mikovitz’ book on this was very revealing.
I am still wondering what gato malo (whoever he/she/they is who publishes a lot and organizes nothing) intentions are by deliberately misleading on this subject. Since Gato(s) states categorically that there are no biomarkers for Long Covid, or PASC (Post-acute Sequelae of Covid) and this is demonstratively false, I want to call attention to the work of Stephanie Seneff, et.al. in this preprint article:
https://www.authorea.com/users/455597/articles/582067-sars-cov-2-spike-protein-in-the-pathogenesis-of-prion-like-diseases
This article discusses the role that prion like diseases play as a result of Covid virus and especially as a result of the clot shots with their delivery of much greater amounts of spike proteins. I will direct the interested reader, including Gato(s) to Part 5 on page 6 of Seneff's article and the discussion therein of PASC, its abundant biomarkers, and possible biological mechanisms. Does Gato(s) presume to know more about this subject than Seneff, McCullugh, et.al.? If so, please step forward and repudiate their article's contents in this regard. If you won't, please keep your trap shut in your incessant trumpeting that Long Covid does not exist!
He’s admitted the loss of taste and smell is caused by Covid on previous posts. That being said, my healthcare practitioner has reversed Covid induced anosmia by treating for parasites. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24413543/
Yet still no mention of amyloiditis, protease and prion diseases.... I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss 'brain fog' as spike breaks down and/or crosses the blood/brain barrier... This is not new speculation or research, why then dismiss it as due to the feckless?
This is the danger in easy diagnosis, especially when they're made up generalities. We get the blanket diagnosis and no interest in looking further.
In other words, a bunch of hypochondriacs.
whineritis
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Well except that there are those who DO know what fibromyalgia is. (When it's real, which is not 100% of the time.)
It's a corn allergy. (Or sometimes another food allergy.)
Those who find their allergies and get _completely_ off of both their allergy(ies) and _all_ processed foods with hidden ingredients eventually find they don't have it anymore. Because you're part right, the disease actually doesn't exist... but at least _some_ of the time the symptoms actually do.
I gave up all grains and seed oils 11 years ago. My joint pain and gerd disappeared right away. No wobbly feelings in my legs and much of my anxiety went away.
Worked for my brother.
I totally see the point here, but on a personal note, I've noticed something similar in my hubby (we're unvaxxed, unmasked, blah blah). His bout with Covid was really traumatic; we both thought he was going to die. He managed to stay out of the hospital and made a full recovery, but has had insane problems with heat ever since, which sucks bc we live in AZ. He literally gets something like heat stroke that lasts for about three days every time he gets too hot, even if it's only been an hour. Doc can't figure it out, and yes, there's part of me that wonders if it's mental. But it sure seems real and it affects our lives. So to say that it's not a thing at all seems a bit extreme to me.
I agree completely, Mary. This issue is far more nuanced than simply asserting Long COVID is (or is not) a thing.
Case in point:
> Many chronic, "invisible" illnesses have a strong neurological component ~ and "neural retraining" can go a long way to change the neurological/biochemical reactions in the body, thereby reversing/eliminating symptoms.
-- https://planetthrive.com/category/news/brainnews/
In fact, I myself recovered completely from 10+ years of debilitating symptoms of chronic environmental illness (mold, chemical and electrical sensitivity) using my own customized approach to neural retraining.
In addition, my adult son who is a deeply entrenched Covidian, recovered from almost all of his long COVID symptoms when he realized the degree to which his symptoms were the result of stress-related somatization.
In addition, many researchers have found that the onset of virtually ALL cases of Fibromyalgia is usually preceded by some form of trauma (car accidents, for example) that dysregulate the nervous system. To the extent that this is the case, many cases of trauma, PTSD and fibromyalgia all respond extremely well to neural retraining (i.e., resetting the stress response within the central nervous system).
However, on the other side of the fence, there is very clear evidence that the spike protein (both viral and vaccinal) can trigger the reactivation of latent viruses, such as Epstein Barr and the viruses that contribute to chronic fatigue.
In fact, there is a very strong similarity between Long COVID and many forms of post-vaccination injury syndrome.
For this reason, I strongly recommend that anyone who is dealing with either Long COVID and/or vaccine injury review the protocols being used for BOTH syndromes, since these protocols seem to be helping with many of the symptoms associated with both of these debilitating health issues:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/026b4e1bd888
I believe you. Try the long Covid protocol on FLCCC. https://covid19criticalcare.com
Thank you :-)
I'm going through a similar thing with my spouse (also un-jabbed, un-masked). Things haven't been the same since we came down with covid, and after a long series of testing the best Corporate Medicine could assess was "symptoms of unknown cause." (One doc said flat out: "It's all in her head. A panic attack.") We then found the FLCCC long-covid protocol, and it gave my wife her life back---from being bed-ridden for 6 weeks to 85% functional now.
After six months, we've found that mild dehydration is still a trigger. When she gets too hot, or goes too long without water intake, her system starts ramping up histamines and then things fall apart 12-24 hours later. So we keep an antihistamine (Zyrtec) on hand to recover quickly when a histamine attack starts and keep the water flowing.
Prayers Up that your hubby finds the healing he needs. He's not the only one, long covid is real, and it can adversely affect lives. But that's not to say that hypochondriacs and attention seekers won't attribute their own sense of symptoms to 'long covid'.
Btw can you expand on her symptoms when she gets hot or dehydrated? How do you know it's a histamine attack? Thank you!
Her symptoms start with flu-like unease---upset stomach, fatigue, and a 'funny feeling' in her legs. Very similar to 'heat stroke', no? If we don't catch it early, the symptoms go downhill from there and normal metrics (body temp, blood pressure, blood O2 levels) are all fine, except her heart rate elevates.
The histamine correlation is by deduction. The relationship between dehydration and elevated histamine levels is pretty well established (https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=dehydration+elevated+histamine+levels). Back in Feb, I was reading anecdotal evidence that antihistamines were helping with long-covid symptoms. But antihistamines just mask the problem. This is where the FLCCC protocol comes in handy. It targets (at least) three things: suppress viral replication (ivermectin, quercetin); reduce inflammation (prednisone, curcumin, vit C, omega-3); and calm nerves/stress (mindfulness, melatonin). Once she started on those three prongs, her symptoms dropped off dramatically.
She still has the occasional 'off day', but the episodes occur much farther apart in time and dramatically less in severity. We've been trying "Liquid IV" as well, as a way to replace electrolytes after an episode, but not sure it's helping all that much.
The key was to find a good doctor that didn't write off the symptoms. We found success working with a local homeopath and myfreedoctor.com. Hope you can find a solution soon!
Bless you - thank you so much for the understanding and the great tips!
So very glad to see these great resources, William. Thank you for taking time to share.
Regarding electrolytes ~ My understanding is that magnesium is depleted when we are under *any* type of stress (including heat) ~ and keeping the potassium/sodium "pump" in balance is vitally important, too.
Just wondering if the following products that support electrolyte balance would be helpful?
> https://www.phmlife.com/supplements/phour-salts/
> https://theliquidmineralstore.com/
I have no vested interest in either of these product lines. However, the pHour Salts and the ionic mag/pot have all been extremely helpful to me ~ and I was just wondering if they might be helpful to others with heat intolerance.
Parent: Doctor! Doctor! My child is lethargic and depressed, do you think it’s long Covid? I’m sure that’s what it is!
Doctor: Um, nope. Your child was lethargic and depressed before 2020. Don’t you remember? I prescribed more exercise, less TV and better nutrition at the time. That still holds. Beside he didn’t have Covid. That was you. Stop projecting on to your child. Besides, you don’t have long Covid either. You were lethargic and depressed before, too.
Sadly, I doubt that conversation ever happens.
Insightful !
Turbo Gaslighting.
"No, no, no", I hear from Long Covid Haulers, "I literally have symptoms that are not going away; this is not in my head". As if mental and emotional stress have never in the history of medicine manifested into physical symptoms.
It is possible, even likely, that for some of those people it is not psychosomatic, but symptoms with a real physiological cause that has been not detected. Because it can be called "long covid" and so we need not explain it further, the actual cause is not found (or sought) and so symptoms persist. In many of those cases it is also likely that if, properly diagnosed, there is an effective treatment available. Sad. But typical of how medicine is done.
Definitely there are people with actual conditions that need to be addressed, even a very small percentage with actual long covid. Some small percentage suffering from lack of treatment early on in the pandemic when there were no therapeutics being offered and people with covid were told to go home and tough it out and if it gets bad enough they can come back to the hospital and be put on a ventilator and die. Also, as you mention, there are certainly other maladies being labeled as long covid. Medicine these days is highly infected with "the latest thing" syndrome. Whatever is popular becomes the easy diagnosis as that treatment usual involves people making money, and it's easier than trying to find the actual cause of someone's ailment.
I am highly skeptical of long covid. It doesn't make sense. That there are underlying physical conditions causing symptoms that go undetected seems very likely. The "the latest thing" syndrome is obviously present and very likely masking real conditions due to a failure to consider the need to even look further than "long covid".
Brain has a tremendous affect on pain. Most “pain clinics” just prolong or medicate physical pain in the body brought on by inaccurate knowledge given to your brain that activates pain to protect you. Drugs or exercise don’t fix it. Anxiety, fear, unexpressed anger causes pain. Dr John Sarno wrote the book describing this common phenomenon he called TMS. Tension Myositis Syndrome. This is where most pain comes from along with other chronic conditions that bother some but not others. I have stopped several pain issues—back, foot, knee, hip by employing his and other peoples practices to deal with what our subconscious minds sees as danger. It’s a fascinating field.
Fascinating indeed!