YES, YES, YES!!! My bfs brother is in his early 30’s and has no job, living at home. I have only one thing to say: WHY? I already had lots of jobs under my belt at this age and started my career at 35 and retired a year ago at 58. I just do not get it! NOT working was NOT an option. I wasn’t ever unemployed in 40 years. I’m proud of that.
YES, YES, YES!!! My bfs brother is in his early 30’s and has no job, living at home. I have only one thing to say: WHY? I already had lots of jobs under my belt at this age and started my career at 35 and retired a year ago at 58. I just do not get it! NOT working was NOT an option. I wasn’t ever unemployed in 40 years. I’m proud of that.
Your bfs brother is in his 30’s with no job, and you don’t understand WHY? It’s because he is not hungry, nor cold, nor bored, nor embarrassed and I suspect he even has a girlfriend of sorts as well. His parents most likely believe they failed him, or he’ll grow out of it in time—but the reality is that he more than likely will not, and more, that his parents are facilitating a very precipitous decline in his status and well being when they pass on. The time for you to “make a career” declines sharply after late 30’s and is pretty much gone in your 40’s if you’ve not started in the work force.
I was being facetious! I know why. I got kicked out of the house when I was 19-lol! I learned the hard way, but I always had a job, right out of hs. I made my own way, which I’m very proud of at 59. And YOU said it perfectly!!!
I had a job too. Heck even worked quite a lot when attending HS. What I don’t understand, and never happened to me, is not wanting to work. To me it was like being “grown up”. Everybody got a job and worked—right? What did I know. Perhaps I was a product of a different time, or a different SES, but if one wanted money for anything special, you worked. No one had to tell me that. What I got at home was a bed and food and some clothes. We had little else besides essentials.
And you are 100%!!!! I was the poorest girl in my school, but my mother taught me, “Just because you’re poor, doesn’t mean you have to look it!” I learned to shop right! It’s funny…I was usually the most beautifully dressed girl. And I was graced with looks, so that was a plus-lol! I worked all through hs, and took the bus. It toughened me up for sure! I’m a tenacious little thing.
You are ME. I usually worked more than one job, until I had my career I retired from. I would have shoveled shit if it paid. Everyone I grew up with was the same…I came from blue collar workers, so college was out for me (although I did put myself through college). My parents never went to college, but hey worked their asses off. And my father was well read, much smarter than college educated people.
You're describing my mother. She was brilliant and extremely well read, never got past high school. I spent ten years getting an MA because I had to work, also got tuition waivers and scholarships. I remember Mom at my hs graduation, "borrowing" a small scholarship I'd received so she could pay the electric bill. She was so desperate she couldn't wait until we got home. I was so glad to give it to her.
The longest stretch I've ever been without a job, in 47 years, is one day. Hi, Renee, how are you doing? Everything going well with you? Think I've mentioned, my middle name is Renee.
And I have ALWAYS been a very hard worker! My (divorced-a sin) parents taught me well along with the nuns and priests. I went through a rebellion which I’m still going through NOW-lol!
There are thousands, no millions of jobs, to be had that can never be offshored. Yep, they are often basic minimum wage, hard work, no benefits. You take those and begin to elevate yourself as you learn the ropes. Maybe you never get beyond, but you’ll never be a parasite upon society.
Anyone who takes from society, rather than produces is a parasite--this of course excludes the truly needy. If one would not work, one should not eat. It's as old a precept as the Bible, which also made exclusions for the needy.
It's all to easy to scold big business, but I won't give them a pass either. Too many solicit handouts and favorable laws to the exclusion of competitiveness in a free market place. They too are parasites. I however blame the government for them, the healthy individual is responsible for himself.
Labor Force Participation is the rate of people looking for a job. If you are not looking to work, or have given up on finding work (so not looking) you count as out of the labor market. So long as you are looking you count as in the labor market. Once in the labor market, the distinction is between employed and unemployed.
So offshoring and automation have little to do with labor force participation rates; if people are looking for a job, they are in the labor force. Only those who stop trying to work count as out of the labor force.
EDIT: I should have mentioned those working (not just looking) are also included in the labor force. That was unclear of me.
Labor Force Participation are the able bodied capable of work and are working. See https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/participationrate.asp. Before women in large numbers went into the labor force, numbers were in the 50-60% range. Women then provided more hands as two income households took over. Might have left some children behind, but so what - more workers for a wee bit more product. Aside from the fact that a household actually is work and important work, apparently it's better for society that we all work?
The labor force isn't just those capable and working, but those who are looking as well. The "unemployed" count as in the labor force in the technical sense, as you are only unemployed if you are looking for work but can't find it. Also, being non-institutionalized (not in prison of some sort) and not in the military is necessary to count. Able bodied isn't so much relevant as "working or looking for work, or not".
I agree that there is a lot to be said for household work, and single earner families have a lot of benefits that are missed. The most worrisome thing about a low LFP rate is when specific groups are just not working much, and almost certainly aren't raising kids, e.g. 16-35 year old single males. At some point one has to wonder what they are doing with their time...
"16-35 year old single males" - A 2016 book Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (https://www.amazon.com/Men-Without-Work-Americas-Invisible/dp/1599474697). The current reviews are of interest as the politics arrive. But the loss of this talent along with family formations that are less stable remains a concern. Work of any kind often gives a sense of purpose. Whether the displacement of men as women entered the workforce makes us wonder if that is fulfilling for either or society at large.
YES, YES, YES!!! My bfs brother is in his early 30’s and has no job, living at home. I have only one thing to say: WHY? I already had lots of jobs under my belt at this age and started my career at 35 and retired a year ago at 58. I just do not get it! NOT working was NOT an option. I wasn’t ever unemployed in 40 years. I’m proud of that.
Your bfs brother is in his 30’s with no job, and you don’t understand WHY? It’s because he is not hungry, nor cold, nor bored, nor embarrassed and I suspect he even has a girlfriend of sorts as well. His parents most likely believe they failed him, or he’ll grow out of it in time—but the reality is that he more than likely will not, and more, that his parents are facilitating a very precipitous decline in his status and well being when they pass on. The time for you to “make a career” declines sharply after late 30’s and is pretty much gone in your 40’s if you’ve not started in the work force.
I was being facetious! I know why. I got kicked out of the house when I was 19-lol! I learned the hard way, but I always had a job, right out of hs. I made my own way, which I’m very proud of at 59. And YOU said it perfectly!!!
I had a job too. Heck even worked quite a lot when attending HS. What I don’t understand, and never happened to me, is not wanting to work. To me it was like being “grown up”. Everybody got a job and worked—right? What did I know. Perhaps I was a product of a different time, or a different SES, but if one wanted money for anything special, you worked. No one had to tell me that. What I got at home was a bed and food and some clothes. We had little else besides essentials.
And you are 100%!!!! I was the poorest girl in my school, but my mother taught me, “Just because you’re poor, doesn’t mean you have to look it!” I learned to shop right! It’s funny…I was usually the most beautifully dressed girl. And I was graced with looks, so that was a plus-lol! I worked all through hs, and took the bus. It toughened me up for sure! I’m a tenacious little thing.
Yes!! We couldn't wait to go to work and earn our own money, and contribute to the family if it was needed.
You are ME. I usually worked more than one job, until I had my career I retired from. I would have shoveled shit if it paid. Everyone I grew up with was the same…I came from blue collar workers, so college was out for me (although I did put myself through college). My parents never went to college, but hey worked their asses off. And my father was well read, much smarter than college educated people.
You're describing my mother. She was brilliant and extremely well read, never got past high school. I spent ten years getting an MA because I had to work, also got tuition waivers and scholarships. I remember Mom at my hs graduation, "borrowing" a small scholarship I'd received so she could pay the electric bill. She was so desperate she couldn't wait until we got home. I was so glad to give it to her.
The longest stretch I've ever been without a job, in 47 years, is one day. Hi, Renee, how are you doing? Everything going well with you? Think I've mentioned, my middle name is Renee.
Hi Keahi! I’m healing up quite well from my surgery. Thank you for asking…you’re precious! God bless you.
Back at you!
And I have ALWAYS been a very hard worker! My (divorced-a sin) parents taught me well along with the nuns and priests. I went through a rebellion which I’m still going through NOW-lol!
So then you start working for yourself. Helpless is as helpless does.
There are thousands, no millions of jobs, to be had that can never be offshored. Yep, they are often basic minimum wage, hard work, no benefits. You take those and begin to elevate yourself as you learn the ropes. Maybe you never get beyond, but you’ll never be a parasite upon society.
Anyone who takes from society, rather than produces is a parasite--this of course excludes the truly needy. If one would not work, one should not eat. It's as old a precept as the Bible, which also made exclusions for the needy.
It's all to easy to scold big business, but I won't give them a pass either. Too many solicit handouts and favorable laws to the exclusion of competitiveness in a free market place. They too are parasites. I however blame the government for them, the healthy individual is responsible for himself.
Labor Force Participation is the rate of people looking for a job. If you are not looking to work, or have given up on finding work (so not looking) you count as out of the labor market. So long as you are looking you count as in the labor market. Once in the labor market, the distinction is between employed and unemployed.
So offshoring and automation have little to do with labor force participation rates; if people are looking for a job, they are in the labor force. Only those who stop trying to work count as out of the labor force.
EDIT: I should have mentioned those working (not just looking) are also included in the labor force. That was unclear of me.
Labor Force Participation are the able bodied capable of work and are working. See https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/participationrate.asp. Before women in large numbers went into the labor force, numbers were in the 50-60% range. Women then provided more hands as two income households took over. Might have left some children behind, but so what - more workers for a wee bit more product. Aside from the fact that a household actually is work and important work, apparently it's better for society that we all work?
The labor force isn't just those capable and working, but those who are looking as well. The "unemployed" count as in the labor force in the technical sense, as you are only unemployed if you are looking for work but can't find it. Also, being non-institutionalized (not in prison of some sort) and not in the military is necessary to count. Able bodied isn't so much relevant as "working or looking for work, or not".
I agree that there is a lot to be said for household work, and single earner families have a lot of benefits that are missed. The most worrisome thing about a low LFP rate is when specific groups are just not working much, and almost certainly aren't raising kids, e.g. 16-35 year old single males. At some point one has to wonder what they are doing with their time...
"16-35 year old single males" - A 2016 book Men Without Work: America's Invisible Crisis (https://www.amazon.com/Men-Without-Work-Americas-Invisible/dp/1599474697). The current reviews are of interest as the politics arrive. But the loss of this talent along with family formations that are less stable remains a concern. Work of any kind often gives a sense of purpose. Whether the displacement of men as women entered the workforce makes us wonder if that is fulfilling for either or society at large.
Definitely not! There’s always a job to be had.
That’s not due to jobs not being available, it’s due to the government competing with potential employers with generous handouts.
Can you say, Bill Clinton? That's when a large amount of offshoring started.
Are those manufacturing jobs all there are to have?
What happens if the Chinese cut-off our supply to basic medical supplies and pharmaceuticals? Or a host of other basics?
We are at their mercy. Shipping manufacturing overseas is a national security threat.
At this point, we would HAVE to have a war in order to mobilize re-industrialization.