Another way to potentially look into this would be to look at different countries whose vaccination campaigns occurred at different time & then see if a similar drop in births happened with a similar time lag. I will look for data and write a post about it if I'm able to gather it.
I don't know what things are like in Europe, but I can give you the perspective from my 28 year old stepson. He is single and unvaxxed. He will NOT consider a vaxxed woman for a serious relationship. And... it's been extremely difficult for him to find someone. Socializing isn't what it used to be, and there is a lot of polarity in the world that automatically disqualifies someone as a mate. My guess is there are a lot of single people who are simply not meeting people who are potential mates.
Also... pretty sure all of those trans whatevers aren't going to be having kids any time soon.
I'd find a grim validation in it being the fault of the vax, but I do wonder if an extended high level of stress and anxiety is taking its toll too. Women's menstrual cycles have always been highly vulnerable to stress, and the past few years have been grim, and the economic anxieties most people are facing, on top of everything else, could certainly affect natural fertility before we even factor in hesitancy to start or enlarge families.
Stressed women and sad little swimmers don't make for any sort of bundle of joy, really.
What I love most about El Gato's posts is the comments. Generally everyone is being civil and throwing out ideas that both support and counter the arguments el Gato has made. While many of us are not necessarily scientists, we all have something to add to the discussion. Sometimes it's a brilliant insight and other times is a "dumb idea" that leads to someone coming up with a brilliant insight.
If I'm going to offer a contrarian viewpoint it would be that it's entirely possible that social-psychological factors may be at play instead. In general there's an uptick in people deciding not to have children at this time. The environment, inflation, potential food shortages, civil unrest and so on, all seem anecdotally to have a fair number of people deciding not to have children. In some cases people are going so far as to have reproductive surgery!
Only time will tell if there's a long term direct link between vaccination and reproduction. Instinctively I believe there probably is but I try and maintain an open mind and I really do hope I'm wrong.
Although not a perfect hypothesis, I would guess that if the vaccines had NO impact on fertility every public health data collection agency on the planet would produce good evidence to support that, given the high stakes of (the credibility of) the vaccines.
Under court order, Pfizer just in the past few days released the data from their safety study on pregnant women who received the vaccine during pregnancy. 47% of these pregnant women miscarried. No wonder they were trying to avoid releasing this data for the next 75 years.
Add in the fact that after you take the jab, your body is continuously producing damaging spike proteins from multiple organs, including ovaries, is it any wonder that birth rates are down.
What would be interesting to compare is the number of abortions for each year, and also the number of miscarriages each year as well. El gato, is this data available to you?
Great analysis. I wonder if another factor in lowering birth rates might also be partly attributable to fears of being able to support a new mouth to feed in these uncertain times. I know several young families who have delayed adding to their families due primarily to the political and economic uncertainties they see around them. They do not trust where this country is headed and have decided to wait this out. I’m sure they are not alone in this decision. (I certainly would think twice about bringing a child into a world that appears to be moving rapidly towards totalitarianism!)
The CDC is “revamping”, looking for more woke, equitable employees, (because THAT’S the big issue at CDC), and having some oversight and overlap from other agencies. Of course, they’re getting more money and more over reach to “be better able to serve us”.
I say CAN all that and simply do these type studies. Compare fertility in unvaxxed, partially vaxxed and fully vaxxed —-whatever that is on any given day…
Do the tests on non vaxxed, partially vaxxed and fully vaxxed children. How are their hearts? Have we done any damage?
Do the REAL evaluation on general health and all cause deaths for unvaxxed, partially vaxxed and fully vaxxed.
Use your OWN tool for seeing changes, evolution, signs, flags, VAERS!
The minute you see a red flag, a signal, get your sorry self in TV and LET US ALL KNOW so we can make a truly INFORMED CONSENT, eyes wide open.
If CDC ever desires to be respected again, THIS is what needs to happen.
So many other possible causal stories ... my first thought is along the lines expressed by BAM and Here's (and others) below: young people simply deciding "bag this, no way I'm bringing a kid into this shitty world."
Now you might think that Sweden would have less of this effect than other countries like America, that screwed the young harder. But then again, the pandemic response pushing climate change off the table for 2 years did nothing to increase youth confidence in the future, and Swedish young people know this better than most.
Gato, what you really need to test the vax infertility hypothesis is good clean data from multiple countries, including some where mRNA vaxes were not the kind of vax given. Without that, you will not be able to reach any conclusion, no matter how many months you look at Sweden's data.
Another way to potentially look into this would be to look at different countries whose vaccination campaigns occurred at different time & then see if a similar drop in births happened with a similar time lag. I will look for data and write a post about it if I'm able to gather it.
But if you look at it from the “Bill Gates and the WEF are depopulationists” standpoint, it makes perfect sense.
There is another thing to factor in as well.
I don't know what things are like in Europe, but I can give you the perspective from my 28 year old stepson. He is single and unvaxxed. He will NOT consider a vaxxed woman for a serious relationship. And... it's been extremely difficult for him to find someone. Socializing isn't what it used to be, and there is a lot of polarity in the world that automatically disqualifies someone as a mate. My guess is there are a lot of single people who are simply not meeting people who are potential mates.
Also... pretty sure all of those trans whatevers aren't going to be having kids any time soon.
A comparison of stillbirth/miscarriage data would add to the picture.
I'd find a grim validation in it being the fault of the vax, but I do wonder if an extended high level of stress and anxiety is taking its toll too. Women's menstrual cycles have always been highly vulnerable to stress, and the past few years have been grim, and the economic anxieties most people are facing, on top of everything else, could certainly affect natural fertility before we even factor in hesitancy to start or enlarge families.
Stressed women and sad little swimmers don't make for any sort of bundle of joy, really.
What I love most about El Gato's posts is the comments. Generally everyone is being civil and throwing out ideas that both support and counter the arguments el Gato has made. While many of us are not necessarily scientists, we all have something to add to the discussion. Sometimes it's a brilliant insight and other times is a "dumb idea" that leads to someone coming up with a brilliant insight.
I love it!
If I'm going to offer a contrarian viewpoint it would be that it's entirely possible that social-psychological factors may be at play instead. In general there's an uptick in people deciding not to have children at this time. The environment, inflation, potential food shortages, civil unrest and so on, all seem anecdotally to have a fair number of people deciding not to have children. In some cases people are going so far as to have reproductive surgery!
Only time will tell if there's a long term direct link between vaccination and reproduction. Instinctively I believe there probably is but I try and maintain an open mind and I really do hope I'm wrong.
or...maybe nobody wants to do it with their masks on.
Although not a perfect hypothesis, I would guess that if the vaccines had NO impact on fertility every public health data collection agency on the planet would produce good evidence to support that, given the high stakes of (the credibility of) the vaccines.
Under court order, Pfizer just in the past few days released the data from their safety study on pregnant women who received the vaccine during pregnancy. 47% of these pregnant women miscarried. No wonder they were trying to avoid releasing this data for the next 75 years.
Add in the fact that after you take the jab, your body is continuously producing damaging spike proteins from multiple organs, including ovaries, is it any wonder that birth rates are down.
What if a larger portion of the population is delaying attempts to reproduce for years or indefinitely? The “F*** this world, not having kids” cohort.
What would be interesting to compare is the number of abortions for each year, and also the number of miscarriages each year as well. El gato, is this data available to you?
Great analysis. I wonder if another factor in lowering birth rates might also be partly attributable to fears of being able to support a new mouth to feed in these uncertain times. I know several young families who have delayed adding to their families due primarily to the political and economic uncertainties they see around them. They do not trust where this country is headed and have decided to wait this out. I’m sure they are not alone in this decision. (I certainly would think twice about bringing a child into a world that appears to be moving rapidly towards totalitarianism!)
The CDC is “revamping”, looking for more woke, equitable employees, (because THAT’S the big issue at CDC), and having some oversight and overlap from other agencies. Of course, they’re getting more money and more over reach to “be better able to serve us”.
I say CAN all that and simply do these type studies. Compare fertility in unvaxxed, partially vaxxed and fully vaxxed —-whatever that is on any given day…
Do the tests on non vaxxed, partially vaxxed and fully vaxxed children. How are their hearts? Have we done any damage?
Do the REAL evaluation on general health and all cause deaths for unvaxxed, partially vaxxed and fully vaxxed.
Use your OWN tool for seeing changes, evolution, signs, flags, VAERS!
The minute you see a red flag, a signal, get your sorry self in TV and LET US ALL KNOW so we can make a truly INFORMED CONSENT, eyes wide open.
If CDC ever desires to be respected again, THIS is what needs to happen.
In the meantime, we are watching.
Spitballing
I would imagine in most countries the lockdowns lowered the number of couples meeting and thus having children.
Less of a factor in Sweden but curious as to whether the number of marriages (age 18-44) decreased by a similar amount.
So many other possible causal stories ... my first thought is along the lines expressed by BAM and Here's (and others) below: young people simply deciding "bag this, no way I'm bringing a kid into this shitty world."
Now you might think that Sweden would have less of this effect than other countries like America, that screwed the young harder. But then again, the pandemic response pushing climate change off the table for 2 years did nothing to increase youth confidence in the future, and Swedish young people know this better than most.
Gato, what you really need to test the vax infertility hypothesis is good clean data from multiple countries, including some where mRNA vaxes were not the kind of vax given. Without that, you will not be able to reach any conclusion, no matter how many months you look at Sweden's data.