This makes me sad actually, because not only did the US get it wrong, it was exponentially wrong and has hurt so many people, and continues to hurt so many people. We are still suffering for really bad decisions and why no one can stop and use some reason and common sense, and get us out of this horrible nightmare is really scary. I guess the red states are doing that, so thank goodness for them.
You're exactly right. All the measures have exacerbated the situation. The overall attempt to slow things of itself has dragged out something that could have passed by quickly into something that's been given time and opportunity to kill more - and that killing augmented by deaths due to the measures.
The big thing about it is there was no mystery from the very beginning. Dr John Ioannidis was there at the beginning spelling out the truth. Sunetra Gupta and the Barrington Declaration people were there. The Diamond Princess was a perfect microcosm test/demonstration.
People have been begging and pleading from the beginning for sense to prevail but no.
It was forbidden to even talk sense.
forbidden to protest.
forbidden to speak.
and even forbidden to help yourself: ivermectin forbidden for no other reason than to be purely murderous.
If the governments under the WEF's purview employed reason and common sense, then the mismanagement of this fake pandemic would not "represent a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and RESET our world" as Klaus Schwab put it.
This had to happen to make progress for the global elite. Have you ever heard the phrase "if it didn't exist we'd have to invent it"?
They didn’t get it wrong if their goal is to weaken and destroy Capitalism, Christianity and The Nuclear Family as was expressed by one of the BLM Founders! This has all been by design to usher in The Great Reset as World Economies are bankrupt including America’s! If you think the GUBmint will fix this you haven’t been paying attention. They caused it...
Thank goodness we have a control group country to demonstrate the effectiveness of letting nature take its course so natural herd immunity can be achieved (the same successful approach used to quash similar threats throughout human history). I appreciate your compiling the data and showing the sensibility of Sweden’s policy on this grossly exaggerated threat.
If you or any other science-minded folks want to jump into the fray at this excellent post by Charles Eisenstein (https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/the-rehearsal-is-over), I have spent way too much time trying to snap the Covidians out of their hypnosis and am ready to pass the baton to anyone who has the energy to lay out the science, although it is likely a waste of time given how wedded they are to their delusions. In any case, it’s an interesting read for those who have time to peruse the comments.
Margaret...why? Why? Please stop beating your head against a wall w these people. And for God's sake don't invite others to such masochism. "Science" has lonnnng since ceased to be an issue w these Covidians. They are actually captured by a cult mentality where the cognitive dissonance is so sky high their brains cannot and will not process *anything* that doesn't fit their narrative.
Indeed, Holly. I keep desperately trying to come up with ways of cracking the cult programming, hence my Letter to a Covidian (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-covidian-a-time-travel), but I realize the brainwashed are impossible to reach short of traditional cult-deprogramming techniques, which typically involve kidnapping the cult member and slapping them silly in a hotel room until they wake up to their menticide ;-)
Look at it this way: as they keep going back for more clot koolaid, they are methodically eliminating themselves over time. Expiration date will depend upon how long their bodies can deal with the mirco-clotting. Just a slow-mo version of the Jim Jones show.
I think it’s hysterical that Dr. Mike Yeadon is now on that thread and is telling Ken to “f*** off.” Ken is so out of his league, he doesn’t have a clue.
Ginned up, *lol*, you’re so right, and I apologize for suggesting anyone subject themselves to that futile self-torture ;-) Still, there are some valuable contributions in the comments if anyone wants to read through them.
Props to you for citing Charles Eisenstein's recent writing. As someone who knew him way back when as "Chuck", then saw him morph into a curious thinker who seemed a little too married to certain received wisdom about the world that I believe is manufactured and manipulated, I am delighted to see his progression into a more complete thinker. The authoritarian response to CV19 across the world has raised a host of questions, and Charles has shown himself to be not just a compassionate feeler, but a critical thinker with a clear voice.
Rational discussion is not going to cut it, as rational decisions were not made to take the vax, which cannot be untaken. If anything, rational discussion or worse still, a convincing argument of vax = bad will most likely push people into their decision justification harder.
Story, emotion and personalisation is required to encourage people to eschew or rebel against the boosters, which is where most countries are at now.
Excellent points, Stoichastic. It is human nature to double-down to rationalize bad decisions in the face of overwhelming evidence demonstrating the contrary position.
Regarding the power of storytelling, I have had people tell me my fairy tale, The Vapor, the Hot Hat, and the Witches’ Potion (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/the-vapor-the-hot-hat-and-the-witches) successfully penetrated the programming of some who have fallen for the mainline narrative, so that was enormously encouraging.
Leftism has become a club for delusional cultists that blindly follow the Left Collective groupthink, and that is really independent of academic credentials or professional experience.
Brainwashing is real and your political preconceptions could make you a dangerous idiot.
Jeremy, I wasn’t sure if you were addressing me or someone else—or maybe you’re referring to the Covidians I was doing battle with? In any case, I agree that the left has fallen prey to groupthink, ingroup bias, and other cognitive biases that have made many of them susceptible to the COVID narrative and other propaganda. I think the most devious stratagem of those programming the NPCs was the cultivation of TDS as that has been incredibly effective at cementing groupthink and enabling TPTB to point them in any direction they desire. That said, I have been surprised to find some rare pockets of reason on the left when it comes to the COVID narrative. Left Lockdown Sceptics (https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/), for example, and Addison Reeves, who penned this essay lambasting progressivism (https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/2021/08/the-pandemic-response-as-contemporary-imperialism/) as well as this compelling piece on why she won’t submit (https://off-guardian.org/2021/08/07/its-just-why-i-wont-submit/). One of the things I have appreciated is finding people across the political spectrum who have not fallen under the spell of mass hypnosis, and it is encouraging to see people rising above their partisan divides to decry tyranny together.
Leftists always gain majority/control in any place (like Universities, Big Tech companies, even government agencies) using hirings, workplace practices and services that filter out dissenting voices.
This is grand scale political discrimination that obviously compels speech in violation of the first Amendment rights.
Soon all places will be controlled by leftists, even in Red states because nobody is stopping them from abusing hiring practices.
As more and more places are taken over by leftists society becomes more and more totalitarian.
Jeremy, thanks for clarifying. I didn’t think so but wasn’t sure if the “you” was generic or specific ;-) In any case, yes, the Cathedral is controlled by authoritarian ideologues who are perpetrating dangerously destructive philosophies, sowing chaos, and indoctrinating the public on a comprehensive scale. I do think that eventually the harsh reality they are wreaking upon the world will puncture the delusions of the brainwashed, but by the time it gets so horrific they can no longer ignore it, it will be too late.
Absolutely. Sweden's and Tegnell's resolve to remain rational during this saga has been both amazing and inspiring. They stayed on course, despite tremendous political pressure and withering abuse - from other countries, international media, and also from many hand-wringing Swedish politicians and media.
On of the saddest things about the covid epidemic was the 'monkey see, monkey do' phenomenon among so many sovereign nations around the world, and so many US states.
Few would have dared to go solo with their lockdown/mask/mandate/pass routines. They waited for big players and organizations to start flashing 'run, don't walk' signs, saw that their neighbors were falling into line, and then quickly joined the parade.
This is called 'running with the pack'. And it was probably the most formidable international pack the world has ever seen. Whether it will ever disperse is an open question.
What Tegnell showed above all was courage. He essentially stuck with textbook pandemic mitigation while most of the world panicked and abandoned it. Tegnell is a highly intelligent man, but it didn’t take a superior intellect to see that the frenzied, ad hoc measures being taken in much of the US and the world didn’t make sense, and that the costs of these measures would likely exceed the benefits by an order of magnitude or more (if there were any real benefits at all).
“It was as if the world had gone mad, and everything we had discussed was forgotten,” Tegnell said in a podcast with Swedish Radio on Wednesday. “The cases became too many and the political pressure got too strong. And then Sweden stood there rather alone.”
But, in the US the federal government had almost no power. The only thing they could really do was close the borders (and Trump did it and was immediately attacked and labelled
a racist).
It's up to each state (and even counties/cities) to devise a response.
Tony Fauci did his best to encourage highly restrictive policies in the various states… I’m glad, though, that Florida and South Dakota, for example, largely rejected his advice.
Fauci repeatedly attacked De Santis and praised Cuomo to the skies. Cuomo “did it correctly”, he gushed:
I can understand getting it wrong at the start, but our 'leaders' have ignored way too much data to be given the benefit of the doubt. In April 2020 we got back antibody test results that showed the virus was already too widespread to stop. In July we determined there WAS some form of cross immunity. Also in July 2020 we found out about the high cycles of the PCR test. By August 2020 seasonality was obvious as the virus disappeared in the north and settled in the sunbelt -- exactly as predicted by Hope-Simpson.
None of it matters because this isn't about the virus. It's about controlling you.
which analyses adverse vaccine effects in Sweden, broken down by age and sex. It is why we stopped allowing the Moderna vaccine to be used on patients who are under 30.
Tegnell was (and is) right. The saddest thing is that Sweden mostly followed the previously established pandemic plans, which most of the Western countries had.
UK initially had the same plan as Sweden, but they got cold feet very quickly after the Imperial College (Ferguson) dire predictions of millions of people dead.
How well would Sweden's approach work in other countries? In many ways, Sweden is not that typical: population is healthy, apart from Stockholm population density is low, people mostly live in single person households and they naturally keep distance, there's high government trust
and high compliance, there's not much travel within the country (and if it is it's by car to go to some summer/winter cottage). All these characteristics are more or less the opposite of the US.
And Sweden still had many measures in place: work from home, schools were mainly closed (open only for younger people), large events were not allowed, limits in bars/restaurants, travel was restricted (only residents and some exceptions).
So, in many regards it wasn't much different than elsewhere except that measures were
less heavy-handed and forceful. But people mostly complied with "recommendations"
and adjusted behavior.
Sure, I would take Sweden's approach over other countries.
Agree except the "cold feet" part. Too many "coincidences" among disparate countries governmental agencies responses and their "supporting" propagandists.
I am swedish. With all due respect this is all bullshit. Saying we swedes are more intelligent, rational and likely to comply with stuff stops short of racism.
Sweden's population density is only low as a whole because the entire north of the country is a inhospitable area where the largest city has 90k people. Sweden is a heavily urbanized country, more than many heavily affected Southern European countries.
The single household thing is true, though when you live in tiny apartments, sharing common areas such as the laundry, in a multi storey building, the importance of this in a pandemic is kind of diluted. This is how the average swede lives.
Sweden has a relatively high degree of public transport usage and its high purchasing power means one of the countries where citizens go abroad the most. The bullshit about "every swede has a cozy cottage in a villa and hides on it for half of the year", I am so tired of this. Where foreigners are taking this from? I know literally NO ONE that has such. Real estate is EXTREMELY expensive here.
Incoming international travel was NEVER restricted for any citizen of the European Union. That is almost half a billion people. Those restrictions were "recommended" at EU level and Sweden just complied. At a point, very very late in the party, Sweden started requiring those negative tests but wasn't much of a deterrent.
You realize a second home doesn't necessarily means the isolated cottage in a forest you are implying right? That it can be anything, from that to an apartment in the city you rent or pass ahead for your son or a friend, which is the most common use of it.
Also "access to a second home through relatives and friends" LOL, what the fuck are they trying to imply here? That if you know someone that has a second home you are included in this 54%?
I take you completely ignoring the other made up stereotypes of my country you invented means you learned something about Sweden today. Then, good.
A pile of shit of study, as usual. In fact, the entire thing started worse in Sweden because we Swedes were more likely to travel abroad in the winter than danes or norwegians.
From June 2020, “the CCP launched a massive social media campaign in ITALY to advertise its coronavirus lockdown measures in early March.” This was a massive propaganda campaign. Interesting read. https://threader.app/thread/1270925788389486593
Combo. Ventilators were huge early on. Then you've got comorbidities like obesity and the beetus that covid feasts on. Then we suppressed early treatments. Then came vaccine deaths.
Just a real shit show failure of the medical establishment and government.
Today, Oregon announced 82 "covid" deaths in a single day. No mention of how many were jabbed. They're hell bent on vaccinating 100% of the state including kids as soon as the CDC-FDA mafia gives the go ahead. Apparently, we follow the Fraudci-Newsom vax cult. Lots of threats to doctors who speak out about vax injuries, etc. Risk of losing licenses. Sickening.
That IS the problem isn't it? The data is so corrupted we can't really know and we have no reason to trust these bastards w anything they say. All we know for sure is that they lie about anything that suits them (and probably things that seem absurd). We are in a runaway train and if we dont stop it asap by any means necessary we are all going over the cliff.
About vax rate in Sweden: Like two thirds fully vaccinated. Some specific communities like immigrants from certain countries have less, but still, vaccination was never forced and the government refused many requests from the right wing opposition and businesses to impose a vax passport. Being honest is more convincing than coercion.
Obesity, lack of exercise, crap nutrition, drug abuse, and other things that were someday regarded as a problem for public health, rather than people trying to leave their house.
I mean, bad health awfully correlates with death. I wonder if we got a clue somewhere here.
I'm short of time so would like to not have to re-create the main chart above. Can someone please send me the sources and underlying spreadsheets at sabhlok@gmail.com. Also, it is good practice for someone who's done the work to create such charts to publish this info.
Big fan of the Swedish approach and Anders Tegnell ( I have lived there through the pandemic ) but there was a -6% mortality deficit vs years 2015-19 for the 64 days before the first COVID death in Sweden, and the end of the flu season was in sight.
So this analysis, while interesting and persuasive could be seen as a bit of a slight of hand.
The baseline excess figure for Sweden from the date of the first COVID death to the start of the vaccine rollout is just over 11%.
Imo, this is caused by Americans being so incredibly unhealthy. A 40% obesity rate is unacceptable. Put 10 Americans in a room, 4 of them will be extremely fat. Another 3 will be chubby. Only 3 of them will have a healthy weight. That's shocking. Add on the poor cardiovascular health and comorbidities caused by sedentary living, you have a population that crumbles the moment it's challenged by a moderately dangerous virus.
This is the inevitable consequence of an entire nation overindulging in vices like eating crap. Meanwhile, healthier countries like Sweden walk away with much less damage. That's the real story here. But of course the debate revolves around how many masks you wear, how many shots you take, how hard you lock down.
When I bring this up with folks they respond that it is because Sweden is highly vaxxed. Adding the vax into the mix does make it difficult to determine cause and effect.
This makes me sad actually, because not only did the US get it wrong, it was exponentially wrong and has hurt so many people, and continues to hurt so many people. We are still suffering for really bad decisions and why no one can stop and use some reason and common sense, and get us out of this horrible nightmare is really scary. I guess the red states are doing that, so thank goodness for them.
You're exactly right. All the measures have exacerbated the situation. The overall attempt to slow things of itself has dragged out something that could have passed by quickly into something that's been given time and opportunity to kill more - and that killing augmented by deaths due to the measures.
The big thing about it is there was no mystery from the very beginning. Dr John Ioannidis was there at the beginning spelling out the truth. Sunetra Gupta and the Barrington Declaration people were there. The Diamond Princess was a perfect microcosm test/demonstration.
People have been begging and pleading from the beginning for sense to prevail but no.
It was forbidden to even talk sense.
forbidden to protest.
forbidden to speak.
and even forbidden to help yourself: ivermectin forbidden for no other reason than to be purely murderous.
it's been - still is - a titanic black comedy.
You are exactly right.
If the governments under the WEF's purview employed reason and common sense, then the mismanagement of this fake pandemic would not "represent a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and RESET our world" as Klaus Schwab put it.
This had to happen to make progress for the global elite. Have you ever heard the phrase "if it didn't exist we'd have to invent it"?
“You will own nothing and like it” - Klaus Schwab
May he and his corrupt NWO brethren ALL die a thousand deaths!
Politically if you are in power and don't like challenges these were really good decisions, politics is power. This is common sense-in politics.
Elites are unmasked, servants are masked, we've been weakened, humbled and put in our place. As to our suffering this is nectar to our rulers.
They didn’t get it wrong if their goal is to weaken and destroy Capitalism, Christianity and The Nuclear Family as was expressed by one of the BLM Founders! This has all been by design to usher in The Great Reset as World Economies are bankrupt including America’s! If you think the GUBmint will fix this you haven’t been paying attention. They caused it...
Thank goodness we have a control group country to demonstrate the effectiveness of letting nature take its course so natural herd immunity can be achieved (the same successful approach used to quash similar threats throughout human history). I appreciate your compiling the data and showing the sensibility of Sweden’s policy on this grossly exaggerated threat.
If you or any other science-minded folks want to jump into the fray at this excellent post by Charles Eisenstein (https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/the-rehearsal-is-over), I have spent way too much time trying to snap the Covidians out of their hypnosis and am ready to pass the baton to anyone who has the energy to lay out the science, although it is likely a waste of time given how wedded they are to their delusions. In any case, it’s an interesting read for those who have time to peruse the comments.
Margaret...why? Why? Please stop beating your head against a wall w these people. And for God's sake don't invite others to such masochism. "Science" has lonnnng since ceased to be an issue w these Covidians. They are actually captured by a cult mentality where the cognitive dissonance is so sky high their brains cannot and will not process *anything* that doesn't fit their narrative.
Exactly.
It's the same psychosis at play with Jim Jones followers, the Moonies (am I dating myself) and other cult religions.
It could be a mental illness diagnosis, except many in that field are part of the cult.
Go figure.
Indeed, Holly. I keep desperately trying to come up with ways of cracking the cult programming, hence my Letter to a Covidian (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-covidian-a-time-travel), but I realize the brainwashed are impossible to reach short of traditional cult-deprogramming techniques, which typically involve kidnapping the cult member and slapping them silly in a hotel room until they wake up to their menticide ;-)
You can't fight fear.
All you can do is empathize with their fear AND show strength, courage, confidence in your position.
Look at it this way: as they keep going back for more clot koolaid, they are methodically eliminating themselves over time. Expiration date will depend upon how long their bodies can deal with the mirco-clotting. Just a slow-mo version of the Jim Jones show.
Can't read that bloviating boob. Makes me want to throw up.
I believe you. Take for example, "ken" that is spamming blogs. He is as irritating as a burr weed.
That's putting it kindly ;-) I called him belligerently ignorant among other things but never addressed him directly as I try not to feed the trolls.
As I do not, as well. I do not enjoy going down to such a level that I feel like I am arguing with a child. I do not quarrel with children
I think it’s hysterical that Dr. Mike Yeadon is now on that thread and is telling Ken to “f*** off.” Ken is so out of his league, he doesn’t have a clue.
Children are much more rational :-)
Ginned up, *lol*, you’re so right, and I apologize for suggesting anyone subject themselves to that futile self-torture ;-) Still, there are some valuable contributions in the comments if anyone wants to read through them.
Props to you for citing Charles Eisenstein's recent writing. As someone who knew him way back when as "Chuck", then saw him morph into a curious thinker who seemed a little too married to certain received wisdom about the world that I believe is manufactured and manipulated, I am delighted to see his progression into a more complete thinker. The authoritarian response to CV19 across the world has raised a host of questions, and Charles has shown himself to be not just a compassionate feeler, but a critical thinker with a clear voice.
Rational discussion is not going to cut it, as rational decisions were not made to take the vax, which cannot be untaken. If anything, rational discussion or worse still, a convincing argument of vax = bad will most likely push people into their decision justification harder.
Story, emotion and personalisation is required to encourage people to eschew or rebel against the boosters, which is where most countries are at now.
Excellent points, Stoichastic. It is human nature to double-down to rationalize bad decisions in the face of overwhelming evidence demonstrating the contrary position.
Regarding the power of storytelling, I have had people tell me my fairy tale, The Vapor, the Hot Hat, and the Witches’ Potion (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/the-vapor-the-hot-hat-and-the-witches) successfully penetrated the programming of some who have fallen for the mainline narrative, so that was enormously encouraging.
Leftism has become a club for delusional cultists that blindly follow the Left Collective groupthink, and that is really independent of academic credentials or professional experience.
Brainwashing is real and your political preconceptions could make you a dangerous idiot.
Jeremy, I wasn’t sure if you were addressing me or someone else—or maybe you’re referring to the Covidians I was doing battle with? In any case, I agree that the left has fallen prey to groupthink, ingroup bias, and other cognitive biases that have made many of them susceptible to the COVID narrative and other propaganda. I think the most devious stratagem of those programming the NPCs was the cultivation of TDS as that has been incredibly effective at cementing groupthink and enabling TPTB to point them in any direction they desire. That said, I have been surprised to find some rare pockets of reason on the left when it comes to the COVID narrative. Left Lockdown Sceptics (https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/), for example, and Addison Reeves, who penned this essay lambasting progressivism (https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/2021/08/the-pandemic-response-as-contemporary-imperialism/) as well as this compelling piece on why she won’t submit (https://off-guardian.org/2021/08/07/its-just-why-i-wont-submit/). One of the things I have appreciated is finding people across the political spectrum who have not fallen under the spell of mass hypnosis, and it is encouraging to see people rising above their partisan divides to decry tyranny together.
Obviously I wasn't referring to you.
Leftists always gain majority/control in any place (like Universities, Big Tech companies, even government agencies) using hirings, workplace practices and services that filter out dissenting voices.
This is grand scale political discrimination that obviously compels speech in violation of the first Amendment rights.
Soon all places will be controlled by leftists, even in Red states because nobody is stopping them from abusing hiring practices.
As more and more places are taken over by leftists society becomes more and more totalitarian.
Jeremy, thanks for clarifying. I didn’t think so but wasn’t sure if the “you” was generic or specific ;-) In any case, yes, the Cathedral is controlled by authoritarian ideologues who are perpetrating dangerously destructive philosophies, sowing chaos, and indoctrinating the public on a comprehensive scale. I do think that eventually the harsh reality they are wreaking upon the world will puncture the delusions of the brainwashed, but by the time it gets so horrific they can no longer ignore it, it will be too late.
Absolutely. Sweden's and Tegnell's resolve to remain rational during this saga has been both amazing and inspiring. They stayed on course, despite tremendous political pressure and withering abuse - from other countries, international media, and also from many hand-wringing Swedish politicians and media.
On of the saddest things about the covid epidemic was the 'monkey see, monkey do' phenomenon among so many sovereign nations around the world, and so many US states.
Few would have dared to go solo with their lockdown/mask/mandate/pass routines. They waited for big players and organizations to start flashing 'run, don't walk' signs, saw that their neighbors were falling into line, and then quickly joined the parade.
This is called 'running with the pack'. And it was probably the most formidable international pack the world has ever seen. Whether it will ever disperse is an open question.
What Tegnell showed above all was courage. He essentially stuck with textbook pandemic mitigation while most of the world panicked and abandoned it. Tegnell is a highly intelligent man, but it didn’t take a superior intellect to see that the frenzied, ad hoc measures being taken in much of the US and the world didn’t make sense, and that the costs of these measures would likely exceed the benefits by an order of magnitude or more (if there were any real benefits at all).
“It was as if the world had gone mad, and everything we had discussed was forgotten,” Tegnell said in a podcast with Swedish Radio on Wednesday. “The cases became too many and the political pressure got too strong. And then Sweden stood there rather alone.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/world-went-mad-imposing-covid-19-lockdowns-says-swedish-epidemiologist/story-0QsmZAhZ4uYaC7elcYnThP_amp.html
But, in the US the federal government had almost no power. The only thing they could really do was close the borders (and Trump did it and was immediately attacked and labelled
a racist).
It's up to each state (and even counties/cities) to devise a response.
Tony Fauci did his best to encourage highly restrictive policies in the various states… I’m glad, though, that Florida and South Dakota, for example, largely rejected his advice.
Fauci repeatedly attacked De Santis and praised Cuomo to the skies. Cuomo “did it correctly”, he gushed:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/18/fauci-holds-up-new-york-as-model-for-fighting-coronavirus-they-did-it-correctly.html
Fortunately for Sweden, it had Tegnell. Unfortunately for us, we had Fauci.
I can understand getting it wrong at the start, but our 'leaders' have ignored way too much data to be given the benefit of the doubt. In April 2020 we got back antibody test results that showed the virus was already too widespread to stop. In July we determined there WAS some form of cross immunity. Also in July 2020 we found out about the high cycles of the PCR test. By August 2020 seasonality was obvious as the virus disappeared in the north and settled in the sunbelt -- exactly as predicted by Hope-Simpson.
None of it matters because this isn't about the virus. It's about controlling you.
By the way, bad cat, you may be interested in reading this Swedish pre-print https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.04.21263507v1
which analyses adverse vaccine effects in Sweden, broken down by age and sex. It is why we stopped allowing the Moderna vaccine to be used on patients who are under 30.
"... exhibited a flatter age pattern (e.g. myocarditis..."
interesting. i thought that was primarily a young man's adverse event
Tegnell was (and is) right. The saddest thing is that Sweden mostly followed the previously established pandemic plans, which most of the Western countries had.
UK initially had the same plan as Sweden, but they got cold feet very quickly after the Imperial College (Ferguson) dire predictions of millions of people dead.
How well would Sweden's approach work in other countries? In many ways, Sweden is not that typical: population is healthy, apart from Stockholm population density is low, people mostly live in single person households and they naturally keep distance, there's high government trust
and high compliance, there's not much travel within the country (and if it is it's by car to go to some summer/winter cottage). All these characteristics are more or less the opposite of the US.
And Sweden still had many measures in place: work from home, schools were mainly closed (open only for younger people), large events were not allowed, limits in bars/restaurants, travel was restricted (only residents and some exceptions).
So, in many regards it wasn't much different than elsewhere except that measures were
less heavy-handed and forceful. But people mostly complied with "recommendations"
and adjusted behavior.
Sure, I would take Sweden's approach over other countries.
Agree except the "cold feet" part. Too many "coincidences" among disparate countries governmental agencies responses and their "supporting" propagandists.
Think "marching orders" is more apt.
I am swedish. With all due respect this is all bullshit. Saying we swedes are more intelligent, rational and likely to comply with stuff stops short of racism.
Sweden's population density is only low as a whole because the entire north of the country is a inhospitable area where the largest city has 90k people. Sweden is a heavily urbanized country, more than many heavily affected Southern European countries.
The single household thing is true, though when you live in tiny apartments, sharing common areas such as the laundry, in a multi storey building, the importance of this in a pandemic is kind of diluted. This is how the average swede lives.
Sweden has a relatively high degree of public transport usage and its high purchasing power means one of the countries where citizens go abroad the most. The bullshit about "every swede has a cozy cottage in a villa and hides on it for half of the year", I am so tired of this. Where foreigners are taking this from? I know literally NO ONE that has such. Real estate is EXTREMELY expensive here.
Incoming international travel was NEVER restricted for any citizen of the European Union. That is almost half a billion people. Those restrictions were "recommended" at EU level and Sweden just complied. At a point, very very late in the party, Sweden started requiring those negative tests but wasn't much of a deterrent.
Sweden has "about 660,000 second homes, a full 54.2% of the
population own or have access to a second home through relatives and friends, making it a widespread phenomenon"
Source:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14616688.2017.1331260
You realize a second home doesn't necessarily means the isolated cottage in a forest you are implying right? That it can be anything, from that to an apartment in the city you rent or pass ahead for your son or a friend, which is the most common use of it.
Also "access to a second home through relatives and friends" LOL, what the fuck are they trying to imply here? That if you know someone that has a second home you are included in this 54%?
I take you completely ignoring the other made up stereotypes of my country you invented means you learned something about Sweden today. Then, good.
A pile of shit of study, as usual. In fact, the entire thing started worse in Sweden because we Swedes were more likely to travel abroad in the winter than danes or norwegians.
From June 2020, “the CCP launched a massive social media campaign in ITALY to advertise its coronavirus lockdown measures in early March.” This was a massive propaganda campaign. Interesting read. https://threader.app/thread/1270925788389486593
What’s causing the US excess deaths? And what’s Sweden’s vax rate?
Combo. Ventilators were huge early on. Then you've got comorbidities like obesity and the beetus that covid feasts on. Then we suppressed early treatments. Then came vaccine deaths.
Just a real shit show failure of the medical establishment and government.
wait for the shit show this winter they have curbed usa oil production far more than opec is raising....
the usa energy/oil shitshow this winter is planned by the climate fascists!
let's go brandon, #fjb
Today, Oregon announced 82 "covid" deaths in a single day. No mention of how many were jabbed. They're hell bent on vaccinating 100% of the state including kids as soon as the CDC-FDA mafia gives the go ahead. Apparently, we follow the Fraudci-Newsom vax cult. Lots of threats to doctors who speak out about vax injuries, etc. Risk of losing licenses. Sickening.
no one is counting the with covid and jabbed deceased in usa!
they are taking credit for lower jabbed hospital census but ignoringthe % jabbed and hospitalized that expire....
like elections who counts and wahat spoiled ballot are counted matter.
the higher deaths in tx and fl this summer surge are in the highly vaxxed older and frail!!!
us excess all cause deaths are high w/vax
consistent with ph 3 tests where all caused deaths in both arms was statistically the same.
no vax no booster!
That IS the problem isn't it? The data is so corrupted we can't really know and we have no reason to trust these bastards w anything they say. All we know for sure is that they lie about anything that suits them (and probably things that seem absurd). We are in a runaway train and if we dont stop it asap by any means necessary we are all going over the cliff.
Covid killed a lot of people, mostly those who were close to dying anyway.
Our reaction to covid killed a lot of people, mostly throwing covid patients into nursing homes and onto vents they didn't need.
Lockdowns are killing people in a wide variety of ways because people have a wide variety of problems that the lockdowns exacerbate.
Only #2 and #3 we can stop.
In addition to poor treatment and response to actual covid, we have also had a rise in deaths related to mental health (suicide, drug overdose, etc).
About vax rate in Sweden: Like two thirds fully vaccinated. Some specific communities like immigrants from certain countries have less, but still, vaccination was never forced and the government refused many requests from the right wing opposition and businesses to impose a vax passport. Being honest is more convincing than coercion.
Obesity, lack of exercise, crap nutrition, drug abuse, and other things that were someday regarded as a problem for public health, rather than people trying to leave their house.
I mean, bad health awfully correlates with death. I wonder if we got a clue somewhere here.
Sweden's vax rate of those 16 and over is currently sitting at 84.3% with one dose and 79.2 with 2. see: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/statistik-over-registrerade-vaccinationer-covid-19/ (in Swedish, but the table is obvious.)
Thanks. So it’s not our high vax rate that’s killing us, presumably.
I'm short of time so would like to not have to re-create the main chart above. Can someone please send me the sources and underlying spreadsheets at sabhlok@gmail.com. Also, it is good practice for someone who's done the work to create such charts to publish this info.
Big fan of the Swedish approach and Anders Tegnell ( I have lived there through the pandemic ) but there was a -6% mortality deficit vs years 2015-19 for the 64 days before the first COVID death in Sweden, and the end of the flu season was in sight.
So this analysis, while interesting and persuasive could be seen as a bit of a slight of hand.
The baseline excess figure for Sweden from the date of the first COVID death to the start of the vaccine rollout is just over 11%.
I'm making a t-shirt: Anders Tegnell is My Homeboy [with picture]
Imo, this is caused by Americans being so incredibly unhealthy. A 40% obesity rate is unacceptable. Put 10 Americans in a room, 4 of them will be extremely fat. Another 3 will be chubby. Only 3 of them will have a healthy weight. That's shocking. Add on the poor cardiovascular health and comorbidities caused by sedentary living, you have a population that crumbles the moment it's challenged by a moderately dangerous virus.
This is the inevitable consequence of an entire nation overindulging in vices like eating crap. Meanwhile, healthier countries like Sweden walk away with much less damage. That's the real story here. But of course the debate revolves around how many masks you wear, how many shots you take, how hard you lock down.
When I bring this up with folks they respond that it is because Sweden is highly vaxxed. Adding the vax into the mix does make it difficult to determine cause and effect.
And: https://shahar-26393.medium.com/not-a-shred-of-doubt-sweden-was-right-32e6dab1f47a
#2 ought to be the gold standard for all political regions (counties, states, countries). Brilliant ...