I have never in my 55 years experienced losing friends abruptly for having a pretty mild yet contrary viewpoint on something ("I am not sure these vaccines are safe.") as I have in the past year. Rageful unfriending without the benefit of a single conversation. It would not occur to me to reject someone because they disagreed with me on…
I have never in my 55 years experienced losing friends abruptly for having a pretty mild yet contrary viewpoint on something ("I am not sure these vaccines are safe.") as I have in the past year. Rageful unfriending without the benefit of a single conversation. It would not occur to me to reject someone because they disagreed with me on any given issue. But this is not only allowed, it is celebrated as an act of virtue. Breaking through is the big question.
Count yourself lucky: somehow you had managed to let a bunch of panty-waists into your circle, and the coof/jab orthodoxy resulted in them being exposed.
I have no need for luck, because I make it a point to not have friends who don't understand conditional probability. (To be clear: a friend is someone to whom I will lend my car at 15 minutes' notice).
When I'm introduced to new people in a social setting, I will know within ten minutes whether *Pr(worth knowing)* exceeds my cutoff. It amounts to two short interactions, and generates almost no false positives. Maybe I've foregone hundreds of completely worthwhile friendships; who has time for more than a dozen friends?
People I've known for 30 years are 'in on it', so we don't impose knuckleheads on each other.
I've lost precisely zero friends since the coof began; precisely zero friends object to my refusal to join the Pfizer Quarterly Subscription (2 jabbed friends initially objected to my claim that the subscription would be quarterly: they recanted once it became more obvious, but are still friends).
It's a matter of discipline: having junk friends is like eating junk food... hyper-palatable in the short term, but absolutely dysfunctional longer-term.
I hear you. I lost a "friend" over politics. She unfriended me but did not have the guts to do so to my face, instead, she told another friend "I am blocking this person." Could not even use my name. Fast forward six months after the election, comes up to me at church, wants to be nicey-nicey again, and I told her NO. She got all bent out of shape and started telling me what a horrible person I was because I didn't agree with her that a certain person was evil and I said, "then why are you wasting time talking to me? Listen to what you are saying! " She got really, really angry then and said, "Have a good life! You'll end up alone and it will be your own fault." Well maybe so, but "friends" like that I don't need.
It is sometimes difficult having a reasoned discussion with people who are not exposed to data that contradicts The Narrative (on whatever topic) until you raise it. Most lack time or desire for independent study, so defer to self-hallowed "experts." Asking mild questions as the data becomes glaringly inconsistent with The Narrative can have an effect over time. The minimal/fading efficacy of the over-hyped COVID injectable therapeutics is one example--the end results are so plainly not what was promised. The fundamental problem is as el gato malo points out--suppressing speech and limiting debate does not force consensus but instead leads to suspicion, resentment, and anger. Free speech is a self-correcting societal safety valve. Closing the valve just delays and worsens the inevitable release.
well stated. How do we even have a discussion when another will just pound down any information or factual analysis? Instead they latch on to what they want to believe because along with their intellectual self, they have lost all rational humility
you are not alone. -- family, and yes, the rage. I need a thicker skin. My brother and sister in law are monsters. They even threaten hard "knock you on your f--- ing ass"
I do not use language anywhere close to that, so it was heart bruising for me
The answer is probably due to what is called as "Rat in a cage" phenomenon, described here starting from the 8th minute of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-vZR35yzlQ
The whole video is worth watching in its entirety, I must add.
I have never in my 55 years experienced losing friends abruptly for having a pretty mild yet contrary viewpoint on something ("I am not sure these vaccines are safe.") as I have in the past year. Rageful unfriending without the benefit of a single conversation. It would not occur to me to reject someone because they disagreed with me on any given issue. But this is not only allowed, it is celebrated as an act of virtue. Breaking through is the big question.
Count yourself lucky: somehow you had managed to let a bunch of panty-waists into your circle, and the coof/jab orthodoxy resulted in them being exposed.
I have no need for luck, because I make it a point to not have friends who don't understand conditional probability. (To be clear: a friend is someone to whom I will lend my car at 15 minutes' notice).
When I'm introduced to new people in a social setting, I will know within ten minutes whether *Pr(worth knowing)* exceeds my cutoff. It amounts to two short interactions, and generates almost no false positives. Maybe I've foregone hundreds of completely worthwhile friendships; who has time for more than a dozen friends?
People I've known for 30 years are 'in on it', so we don't impose knuckleheads on each other.
I've lost precisely zero friends since the coof began; precisely zero friends object to my refusal to join the Pfizer Quarterly Subscription (2 jabbed friends initially objected to my claim that the subscription would be quarterly: they recanted once it became more obvious, but are still friends).
It's a matter of discipline: having junk friends is like eating junk food... hyper-palatable in the short term, but absolutely dysfunctional longer-term.
You sound like a lot of fun, Kratoklastes.
The Bad Cat might like your junk food analogy.
It is Bad Cat's analogies that make his posts such poignant fun.
Very well said 🙌🏼
I hear you. I lost a "friend" over politics. She unfriended me but did not have the guts to do so to my face, instead, she told another friend "I am blocking this person." Could not even use my name. Fast forward six months after the election, comes up to me at church, wants to be nicey-nicey again, and I told her NO. She got all bent out of shape and started telling me what a horrible person I was because I didn't agree with her that a certain person was evil and I said, "then why are you wasting time talking to me? Listen to what you are saying! " She got really, really angry then and said, "Have a good life! You'll end up alone and it will be your own fault." Well maybe so, but "friends" like that I don't need.
It is sometimes difficult having a reasoned discussion with people who are not exposed to data that contradicts The Narrative (on whatever topic) until you raise it. Most lack time or desire for independent study, so defer to self-hallowed "experts." Asking mild questions as the data becomes glaringly inconsistent with The Narrative can have an effect over time. The minimal/fading efficacy of the over-hyped COVID injectable therapeutics is one example--the end results are so plainly not what was promised. The fundamental problem is as el gato malo points out--suppressing speech and limiting debate does not force consensus but instead leads to suspicion, resentment, and anger. Free speech is a self-correcting societal safety valve. Closing the valve just delays and worsens the inevitable release.
well stated. How do we even have a discussion when another will just pound down any information or factual analysis? Instead they latch on to what they want to believe because along with their intellectual self, they have lost all rational humility
Ah, yes. The charitable analysis. Only gets one so far...
you are not alone. -- family, and yes, the rage. I need a thicker skin. My brother and sister in law are monsters. They even threaten hard "knock you on your f--- ing ass"
I do not use language anywhere close to that, so it was heart bruising for me
The answer is probably due to what is called as "Rat in a cage" phenomenon, described here starting from the 8th minute of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-vZR35yzlQ
The whole video is worth watching in its entirety, I must add.
It's not about "breaking through". It's about knowing who is who going forward.
I meant breaking through to people in general about how they are being misled.