I called the CDC in 1995 to ask about the Hep B vaccine they were rolling out to fourth graders in Nova Scotia. I wish I recorded the call and any notes I took may have been lost to recycling. The short of it was, the CDC did not know the dose or what age was optimal to have a lasting protective immunity to Hep B. The children were being used as guinea pigs and the parents had no idea what was actually happening. They were all trusting the system. I questioned it, because why are we giving every kid this shot in elementary school when Hep B is contracted from risky behavior. Isn't it better to educate than to inject the whole population? Needless to say my kids were the only ones not in line to be poked.
My niece was born in 1994… diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis at 15yrs old… damn it! I want to ask about their vax history but they’re so pro vax. I’m having an existential crisis over all this “new to me” information. Good on you for declining!!!
I have a niece that has had every shot going including guardrail and the demo~provera. She developed rheumatoid arthritis after having these shots, but there's no correlation is there.
This only works because most Americans are numerically illiterate and don't understand the difference between relative and absolute risk. They also have no concept of risk management, and obsess on the consequence and ignore likelihood.
We've seen this same game played with statins though at least the NNT (number needed to treat) in that case was around 100, not 100,000. Pharma has long used these types of tactics to hock drugs, what's new is seeing the CDC play the game too (new to me at least).
Unfortunately people will fall for this but for those of us who paid attention in math class it's just another indication of the CDC's utter corruption.
Sound familiar? I remember visiting a hospital (choosing place for childbirth) in 2014 where they told people they had to wear masks to enter if you did not have a flu shot! Uh, of course we did (not!)..... Did we select this hospital? No. This was in Washington DC probably spitting distance from the abode of someone called Fauci.
"Using this new, loose definition, CDC's computer models could tally people who died of a heart ailment or other causes after having the flu. As William Thompson of the CDC's National Immunization Program admitted, influenza-associated mortality is "a statistical association ... I don't know that we would say that it's the underlying cause of death."
The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine. During the 2003 flu season "the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine,"Dr. Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at CDC's National Immunization Program, told National Public Radio. "It really did look like we needed to do something to encourage people to get a flu shot.""
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/death-by-influenza_b_4661442 The numbers changed because the vaccine companies complained about low sales. ..... Surprised? Before it was like 200 with maybe 10% of that confirmed flu. Then it became modeled as 36,000 on average per year!
They blame genetics for many things that are most likely caused by environmental toxins, poor food quality, pharma products, etc. It's the go-to cause that I now am now very skeptical about when hearing it invoked.
Ironically they also reject genetic (i.e. heredity) influence on intelligence, among other areas.
I saw somewhere someone posted a photo of an ad on the side of city bus (I believe it was a bus in Seattle). The public service message was “Young children have strokes too. Know the signs.” Something like that. I’m sure I didn’t get it verbatim.
I saw that one too. There was also a pic of an ad taken from a Subway platform that was a children's book (in french) that was about the same thing. My own kids dentist- our last 6 month cleaning and the first question now on the update form is "does your child have a history of heart or cardiac issues". That has NEVER been on the form before. They are normalizing this and its not okay!
I bet these parents research safe and effective car seats more than the juice being injected into their children I can actually guarantee that knowing the parents of some children.
what the last 2 years have taught us is that 9 out of 10 people will do, say and believe almost anything if their peer group is doing the same.
in our age of post-enlightenment ideological tribalism, the tribe and its dogma is all that matters and almost everyone just wants to be a member in good standing of their half of the herd.
in my circle, I am the only person I know who didn't fall for this con. And I'm not happy about it -- I'm worried for my loved ones. One took it because she got tired of making excuses for why she hadn't had it yet, and she wanted to be able to say, "It's OK (to be around me); I'm vaccinated!" Another took it, grudgingly, because she was taking a trip to NYC to see friends and wanted to be able to go out to restaurants with them. Many others seemed to take it because it was the bandwagon everyone was jumping on, so they could show off their bandaids: "doing my part to protect others." Or, showcasing their special status: "I'm immunocompromised, so I'm getting a booster."
But there is also the badmouthing against antivaxxers. I hear a lot of this from people who don't know my vaxx status, because they just assume. It doesn't always make sense to speak up and tell them, if shunning is the likely result. I tried that a few times and got burned.
I hear ya. I never volunteer my status. I’m noticeably old. Im sure I “look” jabbed. But I have a sister who has gone off the deep end plus so Woke nobody not thinking like her is out of her life. Like me. It’s just nuts. I have a really full life though.
Me neither. If someone asks I reply that I don't discuss private medical issues, that usually causes them to change the topic quickly. Most of my extended family is unvaxxed though (probably 3/4) which I guess is a bit unusual.
I've told my kids (unvaxxed teenagers) it's no ones business but theirs but if they want to tell people they are vaxxed then that's fine with me. I don't expect them to deal with the brainwashed lunatics out there.
I live in a special immediate family then. All loners. When my peer group starts acting stupid or believing demonstrably wrong crap, I push back and/or eventually drift away. Rest of the family are also like that--the relatives outside the immediate family, all gullible slow thinkers, look at us as weirdos and possibly dangerous. When I was a teen I tended toward the teachers and other adults because most teens seemed incredibly nuts to me. They made no sense at all.
Needless to say,we aren't vaxxed. Well, except for the one who married a more peer-influenced type and is now seemingly living in a cloud of denialism. 😢
Most parents are of a generation that, like their kids, were vaccinated from hell to breakfast, starting pretty young. It's just a part of life. What's one (or two or three) more? I was born in late 1954, and I have only been vaccinated against polio (twice), DPT (with a few boosters along the way), and pneumonia (about a year-and-a-half ago).
I was exempt from a smallpox vax because I had atopic dermatitis, or "eczema".
Should I ever want to travel beyond US borders, there's a number of vaccines I'll have to take. A COVID vaccine won't be one of them, so I'll either have to pass on international travel or wait until a COVID vaccine is no longer a requirement.
But it's really no surprise that parents could support the vaccines for their kids. Most people don't follow the COVID debate like we do here. Most get their info from MSM and government "guidance".
I am a couple of years older, so few vaccines against childhood diseases were available, diphtheria, polio and TB in my teens. I caught most of the other childhood diseases as did just about every kid around about. I cannot remember anyone dying or being hospitalised by any of these. I do know of children in later years being injured by the vaccinations against them.
I was born in 1962 and so have had pretty much the same childhood jabs as you. I had the Rubella one at 13 and that caused thrombocytopenia , so I was very wary for my twins. They did not have the MMR as I didn't wish them to have the Rubella part. Luckily we were living in Germany and the GP was fine with that and ordered in just MM which I was ok with. My daughter chose not to have the herpes jab supposed to protect against cervical cancer. It was very new. Only 15 , she did her own research and thought the risks outweighed the benefits. I was proud of her careful judgement. Neither of them, now 30 have had the Covid jabs. My son felt it was too risky and he had covid back in March 2020 anyway. My daughter said the coercion was appalling so no way was she going to conform. They have come under so much pressure to change their minds here in the UK . She got covid in December 2021 and was better in under a week. My father always said " be a cat that walks on its own" and we've all done him proud!
There is a song in the musical “South Pacific”. It’s called “You Have to Be Carefully Taught”. It fits here. People have been carefully taught by authorities docs snd Big Harma down the decades that jabs are what THEY say they are.
And the role of improved living conditions, hygiene, sanitation, better nutrition in reducing these diseases has been entirely discounted to promote vaccines as being the true and only saviour.
Polio, for example, is a virus that infects the gut where it is harmless. It only becomes a threat if it crosses the bowel wall and becomes systemic and gets into muscle tissue where it causes Poliomyelitis. This is, contrary to the narrative, rarely serious and even more rarely fatal. However it can be serious/fatal, so obviously best avoided. But being a virus of the gut, it is spread in fæces, just like bugs such as Salmonella, E Colli, Norovirus. So which plays a more important part in stopping spread of Polio, vaccines or hygiene/sanitation? And by the by: whilst vaccination can stop you contracting Poliomyelitis, it cannot stop the spread because the virus is in your gut and will be expelled in fæces, so the immune response only kills the virus if it gets into the bloodstream.
While I do agree with your main point of most people taking the "vaccine" in-stride and following "guidance" without a second thought, I question why you should think you would "have to take" a number of vaccinations to travel abroad (outside of the CV jab "requirements" over the past year or so, perhaps, which have been falling away in a number of countries lately). Says who? I've been around the world several times (up until 2018) and never was asked about or made to show anything related to medical status, whether I was going to another "first-world" (to use the old phrase) country or into the heart of Africa.
I'm an oddball case, I know: I'm only about half your age, but never had a needle in me and can proudly say that that's the case for at least two generations prior to me on one side of the family, if not more. Heck, I've never even crossed the threshold of a medical practice/hospital/whatever as a patient or taken any medication outside of a total of one Tylenol pill in my life--and felt dirty for succumbing to that. There's just no health record of me out there.
What can I say? My family was always very anti-allopathy. That never stopped me from going and doing whatever I chose to (or most of them from living to a ripe old age).
Parents have been conditioned since they had their own childhood jabs, that jabs = good. They are seen as parental duty, bad parent if you don’t, or in some Countries compulsory.
Here is a list of the 12 vaccinations French parents are obliged to have done to their children: polio, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenza bacteria, pneumococcus and meningococcus C, diphtheria, tetanus, poliomyelitis, CoVid.
From the tyrant’s charter: it’s for the good of all; peasant do my bidding.
Because they only get 'info' from MSM. And all the traditional childhood vaccines are okay so...essentially they are stupid and did not perform due diligence.
All Big Pharma does is what I call 'Statin Math' which is to sell the doc and customer on 'relative risk reduction' rather than 'actual risk reduction'. Say you reduced two infections per year down to one in a population of one million people, the 'relative' reduction would be 50% but the 'actual' reduction would be too small to register. Weapons Grade Bullsh!t, all of it. Always read the fine print.
My Grandfather said, 70 years ago, "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure". We have reached a point where math is not only racist, but is considered evil. (Unless, of course, the math supports the narrative.)
Exactly Even the early Pfizer ? Moderna ? "studies" that led to the EUA approvals had miniscule absolute risk reductions, if those numbers were even true. Much "creative accounting" goes into the studies.
They’re using it to push the injection on pregnant women. Oregon Health Authority just published a post (https://covidblog.oregon.gov/covid-19-vaccination-during-pregnancy-reduces-hospitalizations-in-infants/) about it claiming that “Infants are 61% less likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 during their first six months of life when their mother had been vaccinated with an mRNA primary vaccine series during pregnancy, according to a study conducted in pediatric hospitals across the country.* [*The study included data on 379 infants at 20 pediatric hospitals in 17 states between July and January, including 176 who had COVID-19.]”
All you need to do is look at the conflicts of interest statement to know it’s a cooked study. I fear this will also be deployed in their attempts to get the FDA to approve Pfizer for 0–5.
Someone tried to excoriate me for posting this on another thread but an acquaintance of mine just gave birth to a child born blind with no ears. It’s not someone I know well enough to report on VAERS. But it’s heartbreaking.
Sadly, we have reached the point where we must consider all stats supplied by all government agencies, (or their media servitors), as doubtful, if not blatantly false.
Any organisation with something to sell will produce ‘facts and figures’ to back up their claims, which immediately makes it suspect. The only trustworthy data is that supplied by independent third parties.
The most famous type of graphic is the hockey stick graph, which from a low steady baseline suddenly shoots upward. This is often used to sell investments, particularly for Ponzi schemes. It was used to sell climate change. If you see a hockey stick graph, assume it is faked until you can find irrefutable evidence it is not.
The same is true of U.S. government agencies, such as NIH/NIAID/FDA. Anthony Fauci alone is listed on dozens, hundreds of U.S. Patents. This wasn't news to me. But what was, even after being down this rabbit hole the past two years, was that Federal employees sometimes get, or stand to get, royalties on "their" patents. I think I learnt this from the RFK Jr. book. Well, seems to me this alone would have just a wee bit of potential to create glaring conflicts of interest among those supposedly "impartial" bureaucrats who decide who gets grants, what drugs will be researched, what gets on the approved treatment list ("Standard of care"), what gets approved, and so on.
The problem is even worse. Again, per RFK Jr.: government and NGOs receive funding from supposedly philanthropic foundations (e.g. B&MGF, Wellcome Trust) who often have "side bets" in industry likely to benefit, like vaccine or drug makers. How could such "donations" do anything but influence decision makers to upon how to allocate the money? If they don't please the donors, the donations dry up.
And finally, re your "not illegal" comment. Concur 100%. There is an old saying precisely about that: "The real crime is not what's illegal, but what is legal."
“To have a director of the CDC who questions natural immunity…is sort of like having a director of NASA who questions whether the earth is flat or round”
The really big problem isn't with the CDC (FDA, and all other agencies), big as the problem of them lying to us.
No, the BIG PROBLEM is the fact that so few Americans even have the ability to look beyond the headlines and see for themselves what the real numbers are. They aren't just lazy, though most are. Worse, they literally don't have the reasoning ability that a decently educated junior high pupil would have had until about 1985.
I can't tell you how many times these past two years when I would engage some fearful mother or some other terrified sheep about masks, the low risks to children, natural immunity, etc. they would respond with something on the order of "well, are you a doctor?"
To which my rejoinder would be "No, but I can read, and count and reason and do basic math".
Their invariable response? Usually a blank stare. They DIDN'T F***ING UNDERSTAND what I was saying.
I usually respond to people who ask that stupid "are you a doctor question" with "no, I'm better than a doctor, I'm a person with common sense and reasoning skills." They still don't get it.
Once I learned that dietary fat nor cholesterol was the problem in heart disease and studies proving it were literally destroyed or manipulated it was like the doors opened for me. What else was not the truth concerning health. Now I trust nothing, especially coming from MSM, conventional medicine, government agencies. The works.
My kids’ pediatrician used to have a questionnaire that asked, among other things, if my kids spent more than 2-4 hours a day in front of a screen (meaning if more than that we all got the dressing down for being bad.) Fast forward to covid, and the revised questionnaire asked if the kids spend more than 2-4 hours in front of screens in addition to school (which was online for six hours a day.) so before only 2-4 hours was the limit, and then 8-10 was ok too. Which tells you all you need to know about the American Academy of Pediatrics. For the record, we homeschool.
They also ask if you have a gun in the house and if your kids wear helmets when biking, it's all part of the standard AAP "well child visit" questionnaire. They've appointed themselves our social workers in addition to being our kids vaccine administrators. If your kids are teenagers they'll insist on you (the parent) leaving the room so they can discuss "sensitive" issues with your child (i.e. sex and "gender"). Feel free to cheerfully tell them to go screw themselves. You have no obligation to leave your child alone with them and they have no right to insist on it.
The AAP is corrupt and is to pediatricians what the teachers union is to teachers. The AAP does not care about kids but about pediatricians, and left-wing social advocacy. The AAP and pediatricians push vaccines like a slum drug dealer. Find your self a good holistic physician for the family and avoid pediatricians like the plague.
Nearby school district had a replacement “tech” levy on the ballot. The big campaign argument was “this levy paid for the equipment that allowed us to go to distance learning so quickly in 2020 and will allow us to pivot quickly again if needed!”
I asked my wife if that was a campaign FOR the levy or against. (The levy failed. Badly.)
And no one talks about the potential for macular degeneration due to blue light exposure. This generation of kids and teenagers will suffer greatly in their adult years as a result of excessive digital equipment (i.e. smartphones, iPads, tablets, etc.).
URGHH!!! this makes me so mad! When can we just cancel the damn CDC once and for all. These stupid garbage studies must be to help get this piece of shit shot on the required childhood vaccine list, which makes me even more mad.
CDC's position is wrong if motivation is "improving public health". If, instead, the motivation is "inject as many arms as possible" then CDC's position is correct.
For example, if CDC knows that the jabs cause permanent infertility, then CDC's position makes perfect sense. Assuming the motive is population reduction, which it probably is. Same is true if the shots are lethal in ~3 years. Same logic applies.
We've established that the system is not interested in public health. Injecting children is not about public health. There's clearly another motive.
It's a bit silly to assume that public health is the motive then repeatedly prove that is not the motive. We know that's not the motive. Let's quit evaluating their moves as if we believe their cover story.
Please renew your quarterly booster subscriptions to protect yourself, your pets and your family from the upcoming iDelta variant (We apologize for running out of the alphabet letters for the new variants - vaccines are breeding more variants than originally thought).
(Kids get heart attacks too - one of the biggest "findings" of 2021!)
As to risk/benefit, I like Dr Zelenko's take: every medical intervention - 3 questions: "is it safe?" "is it (can it be expected to be) effective?" - "is it necessary?"
Lying with numbers, courtesy of the CDC. I will never trust this organization ever again.
You had trust in them? I have always assumed all govt agencies are liars, grifters and dumbasses.
I trusted them prior to the pandemic. Now my eyes are wide open.
Now look into CDC's "science" on HIV, sex ed, and other vaccines.
I called the CDC in 1995 to ask about the Hep B vaccine they were rolling out to fourth graders in Nova Scotia. I wish I recorded the call and any notes I took may have been lost to recycling. The short of it was, the CDC did not know the dose or what age was optimal to have a lasting protective immunity to Hep B. The children were being used as guinea pigs and the parents had no idea what was actually happening. They were all trusting the system. I questioned it, because why are we giving every kid this shot in elementary school when Hep B is contracted from risky behavior. Isn't it better to educate than to inject the whole population? Needless to say my kids were the only ones not in line to be poked.
My niece was born in 1994… diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis at 15yrs old… damn it! I want to ask about their vax history but they’re so pro vax. I’m having an existential crisis over all this “new to me” information. Good on you for declining!!!
I have a niece that has had every shot going including guardrail and the demo~provera. She developed rheumatoid arthritis after having these shots, but there's no correlation is there.
The "health" industry has earned our mistrust.
Yeah… we’ve all been massively brainwashed but have now seen the light. Or perpetual darkness… that we never knew existed. Ugh.
Too bad so many are still brainwashed.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/covid-and-the-landfill-day-laborers?s=w
Excellent reporting from the front lines of the non-laptoppers.
This only works because most Americans are numerically illiterate and don't understand the difference between relative and absolute risk. They also have no concept of risk management, and obsess on the consequence and ignore likelihood.
We've seen this same game played with statins though at least the NNT (number needed to treat) in that case was around 100, not 100,000. Pharma has long used these types of tactics to hock drugs, what's new is seeing the CDC play the game too (new to me at least).
Unfortunately people will fall for this but for those of us who paid attention in math class it's just another indication of the CDC's utter corruption.
They have lied about flu deaths since 2003 so not unexpected.
How did you know? I’m living on Mars apparently but I also never paid attention to much until this BS moronic crap we are subjected to
Sound familiar? I remember visiting a hospital (choosing place for childbirth) in 2014 where they told people they had to wear masks to enter if you did not have a flu shot! Uh, of course we did (not!)..... Did we select this hospital? No. This was in Washington DC probably spitting distance from the abode of someone called Fauci.
"Using this new, loose definition, CDC's computer models could tally people who died of a heart ailment or other causes after having the flu. As William Thompson of the CDC's National Immunization Program admitted, influenza-associated mortality is "a statistical association ... I don't know that we would say that it's the underlying cause of death."
The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine. During the 2003 flu season "the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine,"Dr. Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at CDC's National Immunization Program, told National Public Radio. "It really did look like we needed to do something to encourage people to get a flu shot.""
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/death-by-influenza_b_4661442 The numbers changed because the vaccine companies complained about low sales. ..... Surprised? Before it was like 200 with maybe 10% of that confirmed flu. Then it became modeled as 36,000 on average per year!
+10
They will normalize child heart attacks and strokes cuz climate change
Just like they've been doing with autism. And blaming genetics. 🙄
They blame genetics for many things that are most likely caused by environmental toxins, poor food quality, pharma products, etc. It's the go-to cause that I now am now very skeptical about when hearing it invoked.
Ironically they also reject genetic (i.e. heredity) influence on intelligence, among other areas.
I saw somewhere someone posted a photo of an ad on the side of city bus (I believe it was a bus in Seattle). The public service message was “Young children have strokes too. Know the signs.” Something like that. I’m sure I didn’t get it verbatim.
Sick.
I saw that one too. There was also a pic of an ad taken from a Subway platform that was a children's book (in french) that was about the same thing. My own kids dentist- our last 6 month cleaning and the first question now on the update form is "does your child have a history of heart or cardiac issues". That has NEVER been on the form before. They are normalizing this and its not okay!
or Post Pandemic Stress Disorder! Can't forget that one smh
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I have never comprehended how parents could let their children have those wretched jabs. It is utterly beyond me.
I bet these parents research safe and effective car seats more than the juice being injected into their children I can actually guarantee that knowing the parents of some children.
Or put them into a trial? Pure insanity.
what the last 2 years have taught us is that 9 out of 10 people will do, say and believe almost anything if their peer group is doing the same.
in our age of post-enlightenment ideological tribalism, the tribe and its dogma is all that matters and almost everyone just wants to be a member in good standing of their half of the herd.
I am the only one of my age range I know not jabbed. Some know. Some don’t. I’m 73. I relish being a rebel now. My life depends on it.
I am 70 and not vaxxed either.
in my circle, I am the only person I know who didn't fall for this con. And I'm not happy about it -- I'm worried for my loved ones. One took it because she got tired of making excuses for why she hadn't had it yet, and she wanted to be able to say, "It's OK (to be around me); I'm vaccinated!" Another took it, grudgingly, because she was taking a trip to NYC to see friends and wanted to be able to go out to restaurants with them. Many others seemed to take it because it was the bandwagon everyone was jumping on, so they could show off their bandaids: "doing my part to protect others." Or, showcasing their special status: "I'm immunocompromised, so I'm getting a booster."
But there is also the badmouthing against antivaxxers. I hear a lot of this from people who don't know my vaxx status, because they just assume. It doesn't always make sense to speak up and tell them, if shunning is the likely result. I tried that a few times and got burned.
I hear ya. I never volunteer my status. I’m noticeably old. Im sure I “look” jabbed. But I have a sister who has gone off the deep end plus so Woke nobody not thinking like her is out of her life. Like me. It’s just nuts. I have a really full life though.
Me neither. If someone asks I reply that I don't discuss private medical issues, that usually causes them to change the topic quickly. Most of my extended family is unvaxxed though (probably 3/4) which I guess is a bit unusual.
I've told my kids (unvaxxed teenagers) it's no ones business but theirs but if they want to tell people they are vaxxed then that's fine with me. I don't expect them to deal with the brainwashed lunatics out there.
Has anyone tried saying "I did the healthy thing" and allowing the norms to assume what they want from that?
It's also technically true, for whatever that's worth
3/4 unvaxxed family is not a bit unusual. It's an extremely rare situation! (congratulations and I'm jealous)
I come from a long-line of contrarian, anti-authority right-wing wackos. Proud to carry on the tradition with my kids!
I live in a special immediate family then. All loners. When my peer group starts acting stupid or believing demonstrably wrong crap, I push back and/or eventually drift away. Rest of the family are also like that--the relatives outside the immediate family, all gullible slow thinkers, look at us as weirdos and possibly dangerous. When I was a teen I tended toward the teachers and other adults because most teens seemed incredibly nuts to me. They made no sense at all.
Needless to say,we aren't vaxxed. Well, except for the one who married a more peer-influenced type and is now seemingly living in a cloud of denialism. 😢
They could not withstand the bombardment of commentary from within the family, coworkers, friends n media... They wanted that stress to end.
Family pressure and travel/access to entertainment (lifestyle) is what I'm seeing in my family 🥺
Ugh. 🥴
Libby,
Most parents are of a generation that, like their kids, were vaccinated from hell to breakfast, starting pretty young. It's just a part of life. What's one (or two or three) more? I was born in late 1954, and I have only been vaccinated against polio (twice), DPT (with a few boosters along the way), and pneumonia (about a year-and-a-half ago).
I was exempt from a smallpox vax because I had atopic dermatitis, or "eczema".
Should I ever want to travel beyond US borders, there's a number of vaccines I'll have to take. A COVID vaccine won't be one of them, so I'll either have to pass on international travel or wait until a COVID vaccine is no longer a requirement.
But it's really no surprise that parents could support the vaccines for their kids. Most people don't follow the COVID debate like we do here. Most get their info from MSM and government "guidance".
I am a couple of years older, so few vaccines against childhood diseases were available, diphtheria, polio and TB in my teens. I caught most of the other childhood diseases as did just about every kid around about. I cannot remember anyone dying or being hospitalised by any of these. I do know of children in later years being injured by the vaccinations against them.
I was born in 1962 and so have had pretty much the same childhood jabs as you. I had the Rubella one at 13 and that caused thrombocytopenia , so I was very wary for my twins. They did not have the MMR as I didn't wish them to have the Rubella part. Luckily we were living in Germany and the GP was fine with that and ordered in just MM which I was ok with. My daughter chose not to have the herpes jab supposed to protect against cervical cancer. It was very new. Only 15 , she did her own research and thought the risks outweighed the benefits. I was proud of her careful judgement. Neither of them, now 30 have had the Covid jabs. My son felt it was too risky and he had covid back in March 2020 anyway. My daughter said the coercion was appalling so no way was she going to conform. They have come under so much pressure to change their minds here in the UK . She got covid in December 2021 and was better in under a week. My father always said " be a cat that walks on its own" and we've all done him proud!
Well, good for you and your kids. Very encouraging.
There is a song in the musical “South Pacific”. It’s called “You Have to Be Carefully Taught”. It fits here. People have been carefully taught by authorities docs snd Big Harma down the decades that jabs are what THEY say they are.
And the role of improved living conditions, hygiene, sanitation, better nutrition in reducing these diseases has been entirely discounted to promote vaccines as being the true and only saviour.
Polio, for example, is a virus that infects the gut where it is harmless. It only becomes a threat if it crosses the bowel wall and becomes systemic and gets into muscle tissue where it causes Poliomyelitis. This is, contrary to the narrative, rarely serious and even more rarely fatal. However it can be serious/fatal, so obviously best avoided. But being a virus of the gut, it is spread in fæces, just like bugs such as Salmonella, E Colli, Norovirus. So which plays a more important part in stopping spread of Polio, vaccines or hygiene/sanitation? And by the by: whilst vaccination can stop you contracting Poliomyelitis, it cannot stop the spread because the virus is in your gut and will be expelled in fæces, so the immune response only kills the virus if it gets into the bloodstream.
Did you read “Dissolving Illusions”. It’s eye opening about the sordid history of vaccines back to the 1700’s.
I haven’t. I’ll look it up. Thanks for the tip.
While I do agree with your main point of most people taking the "vaccine" in-stride and following "guidance" without a second thought, I question why you should think you would "have to take" a number of vaccinations to travel abroad (outside of the CV jab "requirements" over the past year or so, perhaps, which have been falling away in a number of countries lately). Says who? I've been around the world several times (up until 2018) and never was asked about or made to show anything related to medical status, whether I was going to another "first-world" (to use the old phrase) country or into the heart of Africa.
I'm an oddball case, I know: I'm only about half your age, but never had a needle in me and can proudly say that that's the case for at least two generations prior to me on one side of the family, if not more. Heck, I've never even crossed the threshold of a medical practice/hospital/whatever as a patient or taken any medication outside of a total of one Tylenol pill in my life--and felt dirty for succumbing to that. There's just no health record of me out there.
What can I say? My family was always very anti-allopathy. That never stopped me from going and doing whatever I chose to (or most of them from living to a ripe old age).
Parents have been conditioned since they had their own childhood jabs, that jabs = good. They are seen as parental duty, bad parent if you don’t, or in some Countries compulsory.
Here is a list of the 12 vaccinations French parents are obliged to have done to their children: polio, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenza bacteria, pneumococcus and meningococcus C, diphtheria, tetanus, poliomyelitis, CoVid.
From the tyrant’s charter: it’s for the good of all; peasant do my bidding.
lunatics!
Because they only get 'info' from MSM. And all the traditional childhood vaccines are okay so...essentially they are stupid and did not perform due diligence.
All Big Pharma does is what I call 'Statin Math' which is to sell the doc and customer on 'relative risk reduction' rather than 'actual risk reduction'. Say you reduced two infections per year down to one in a population of one million people, the 'relative' reduction would be 50% but the 'actual' reduction would be too small to register. Weapons Grade Bullsh!t, all of it. Always read the fine print.
My Grandfather said, 70 years ago, "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure". We have reached a point where math is not only racist, but is considered evil. (Unless, of course, the math supports the narrative.)
Math blows around in the breeze like The Science.
Exactly Even the early Pfizer ? Moderna ? "studies" that led to the EUA approvals had miniscule absolute risk reductions, if those numbers were even true. Much "creative accounting" goes into the studies.
Thank you, el gato! Now, will you please annihilate this one? 😁
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e3.htm
They’re using it to push the injection on pregnant women. Oregon Health Authority just published a post (https://covidblog.oregon.gov/covid-19-vaccination-during-pregnancy-reduces-hospitalizations-in-infants/) about it claiming that “Infants are 61% less likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 during their first six months of life when their mother had been vaccinated with an mRNA primary vaccine series during pregnancy, according to a study conducted in pediatric hospitals across the country.* [*The study included data on 379 infants at 20 pediatric hospitals in 17 states between July and January, including 176 who had COVID-19.]”
All you need to do is look at the conflicts of interest statement to know it’s a cooked study. I fear this will also be deployed in their attempts to get the FDA to approve Pfizer for 0–5.
Someone tried to excoriate me for posting this on another thread but an acquaintance of mine just gave birth to a child born blind with no ears. It’s not someone I know well enough to report on VAERS. But it’s heartbreaking.
😲😢😔
Did you confirm that the mother was vaxxed?
Sadly, we have reached the point where we must consider all stats supplied by all government agencies, (or their media servitors), as doubtful, if not blatantly false.
Any organisation with something to sell will produce ‘facts and figures’ to back up their claims, which immediately makes it suspect. The only trustworthy data is that supplied by independent third parties.
The most famous type of graphic is the hockey stick graph, which from a low steady baseline suddenly shoots upward. This is often used to sell investments, particularly for Ponzi schemes. It was used to sell climate change. If you see a hockey stick graph, assume it is faked until you can find irrefutable evidence it is not.
How are they counting excess miscarriages?
Shhhhhh!
the CDC have always been compromised by the fact that they own vaccine and related tech patents
the fact it is not illegal shows you how fucked up the Gov is
The same is true of U.S. government agencies, such as NIH/NIAID/FDA. Anthony Fauci alone is listed on dozens, hundreds of U.S. Patents. This wasn't news to me. But what was, even after being down this rabbit hole the past two years, was that Federal employees sometimes get, or stand to get, royalties on "their" patents. I think I learnt this from the RFK Jr. book. Well, seems to me this alone would have just a wee bit of potential to create glaring conflicts of interest among those supposedly "impartial" bureaucrats who decide who gets grants, what drugs will be researched, what gets on the approved treatment list ("Standard of care"), what gets approved, and so on.
The problem is even worse. Again, per RFK Jr.: government and NGOs receive funding from supposedly philanthropic foundations (e.g. B&MGF, Wellcome Trust) who often have "side bets" in industry likely to benefit, like vaccine or drug makers. How could such "donations" do anything but influence decision makers to upon how to allocate the money? If they don't please the donors, the donations dry up.
And finally, re your "not illegal" comment. Concur 100%. There is an old saying precisely about that: "The real crime is not what's illegal, but what is legal."
“To have a director of the CDC who questions natural immunity…is sort of like having a director of NASA who questions whether the earth is flat or round”
Dr. Martin Kulldorff
The really big problem isn't with the CDC (FDA, and all other agencies), big as the problem of them lying to us.
No, the BIG PROBLEM is the fact that so few Americans even have the ability to look beyond the headlines and see for themselves what the real numbers are. They aren't just lazy, though most are. Worse, they literally don't have the reasoning ability that a decently educated junior high pupil would have had until about 1985.
I can't tell you how many times these past two years when I would engage some fearful mother or some other terrified sheep about masks, the low risks to children, natural immunity, etc. they would respond with something on the order of "well, are you a doctor?"
To which my rejoinder would be "No, but I can read, and count and reason and do basic math".
Their invariable response? Usually a blank stare. They DIDN'T F***ING UNDERSTAND what I was saying.
Sad, scary and depressing.
Hey, everyone, have a great weekend, K?
I usually respond to people who ask that stupid "are you a doctor question" with "no, I'm better than a doctor, I'm a person with common sense and reasoning skills." They still don't get it.
One statistics that blew me up was from Dr Vernon Coleman.
50% of British citizens have the grade 6 math level. And you expect these people to question the lies distilled by the NHS?
The problem is that even the ones trained beyond that are not questioning anything.
They're fighting for their own interests - they're not public servants.
It Takes a Village of Bureaucrats to Implement Despotism (US):
AMA = American Monopoly Association
CDC = Center for Death and Corruption
FDA = Fraud and Death Association
HHS = Holistic Humanicide Services
MD = Moral Deficiency
NIH = Nihilism In Healthcare
Once I learned that dietary fat nor cholesterol was the problem in heart disease and studies proving it were literally destroyed or manipulated it was like the doors opened for me. What else was not the truth concerning health. Now I trust nothing, especially coming from MSM, conventional medicine, government agencies. The works.
"They DIDN'T F***ING UNDERSTAND what I was saying."
Nope. Darwin Doin Work.
Childhood obesity will help “cushion” the fall for kids who skydive without a parachute. We should therefore mandate all kids become obese.
My kids’ pediatrician used to have a questionnaire that asked, among other things, if my kids spent more than 2-4 hours a day in front of a screen (meaning if more than that we all got the dressing down for being bad.) Fast forward to covid, and the revised questionnaire asked if the kids spend more than 2-4 hours in front of screens in addition to school (which was online for six hours a day.) so before only 2-4 hours was the limit, and then 8-10 was ok too. Which tells you all you need to know about the American Academy of Pediatrics. For the record, we homeschool.
They also ask if you have a gun in the house and if your kids wear helmets when biking, it's all part of the standard AAP "well child visit" questionnaire. They've appointed themselves our social workers in addition to being our kids vaccine administrators. If your kids are teenagers they'll insist on you (the parent) leaving the room so they can discuss "sensitive" issues with your child (i.e. sex and "gender"). Feel free to cheerfully tell them to go screw themselves. You have no obligation to leave your child alone with them and they have no right to insist on it.
The AAP is corrupt and is to pediatricians what the teachers union is to teachers. The AAP does not care about kids but about pediatricians, and left-wing social advocacy. The AAP and pediatricians push vaccines like a slum drug dealer. Find your self a good holistic physician for the family and avoid pediatricians like the plague.
Nearby school district had a replacement “tech” levy on the ballot. The big campaign argument was “this levy paid for the equipment that allowed us to go to distance learning so quickly in 2020 and will allow us to pivot quickly again if needed!”
I asked my wife if that was a campaign FOR the levy or against. (The levy failed. Badly.)
And no one talks about the potential for macular degeneration due to blue light exposure. This generation of kids and teenagers will suffer greatly in their adult years as a result of excessive digital equipment (i.e. smartphones, iPads, tablets, etc.).
Criminals all...
URGHH!!! this makes me so mad! When can we just cancel the damn CDC once and for all. These stupid garbage studies must be to help get this piece of shit shot on the required childhood vaccine list, which makes me even more mad.
Somebody deputize me and I'll head out and round em up
CDC's position is wrong if motivation is "improving public health". If, instead, the motivation is "inject as many arms as possible" then CDC's position is correct.
For example, if CDC knows that the jabs cause permanent infertility, then CDC's position makes perfect sense. Assuming the motive is population reduction, which it probably is. Same is true if the shots are lethal in ~3 years. Same logic applies.
We've established that the system is not interested in public health. Injecting children is not about public health. There's clearly another motive.
It's a bit silly to assume that public health is the motive then repeatedly prove that is not the motive. We know that's not the motive. Let's quit evaluating their moves as if we believe their cover story.
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CDC= Center for DEATH and Corruption
CDC - Credibility Decreases Continually
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-cdc-seven-year-old-died-cardiac-arrest-pfizer-shot/
(Kids get heart attacks too - one of the biggest "findings" of 2021!)
As to risk/benefit, I like Dr Zelenko's take: every medical intervention - 3 questions: "is it safe?" "is it (can it be expected to be) effective?" - "is it necessary?"