This is definitely an anglo-american thing, like the chem castration fads, 72 genders, and woke destroyers and race marxism or other satanic fixations of failing empires. There are Ukrainian teenagers who escaped the cocaine poison dwarf's mandatory call of duty, now hustling food on bicycles here in Poland for $2-$4 per hour happy not to be stuck in the Empire of Lies' Nazi military meat grinder that can only end with Nuclear war or until the last Ukrainian is dead. I give them $4 tips and their gratitude is off the charts because they know where else they could be at that moment. A compulsory draft might be a good thing for the spoiled socialist babies across the Atlantic. It'll at least get the marxist vampires out of the basement for the first time, and do a push up for the first time... there'll be a lot of firsts if they finally leave the basement but getting laid won't be one of them.
And then there are some kids who are out there putting it on the line. Making the world better in some small way. Why just yesterday I was transiting at Narita airport in Tokyo. I had passed immigration, very quick and I was just transiting, and was in security about to have my backpack checked. There were four lively young people in front of me. I thought ‘odd group’. They were clearly a group but it was as if there were no cues showing any kind of common social ground. Like they came from four parts of the world, four different socioeconomic classes etc. one small Asian woman, a half black man, a cute Scarlett Johannsen type, and a lanky college looking guy. Aha! I had it, I thought. They were all from a large denomination group but from four areas of North America on their way to doing some missionary work. I asked them where they were from. San Diego, New York, Calgary, and Florida. I asked what brings them together. ‘We all are working in Social Media’. I said ‘interesting I don’t think of those who work at social media as congregating and working together. Shows you what I know.’ Then I asked ‘which area of social media do you work in?’ A bit of a hesitation. Then one said ‘you want the truth, or a lie?’ Obviously I wanted the truth. ‘We are all porn stars’. Okay, the church part I had wrong. And some ‘missionary’ work would likely take place, but that wasn’t their focus. They were on their way to a location shoot. See...there are hard working young people out there!
There are many pieces to this puzzle. Consider also that my generation is not merely (failing in) seeking the work, but the HR departments at such workplaces have inflated into a grotesque tumor and are increasingly run by that same demographic. Ironically, they are doing what Marx hated (Iron Law of Woke Projection) and pushing circlejerky ideology rather than contributing usefully.
One point that tends to go unnoticed in these kinds of conversations is the issue of gender. Not fake gender, but actual differences in biological sex.
Girls of generation y and z are much more successful than boys. They work harder in school, get better grades, and have better academic and professional outcomes than their Y chromosome peers. They often exceed their mothers and grandmothers in achievement.
In contrast, boys in their teens and twenties are physically, mentally, and emotionally weaker than any other generational cohort before them.
I'm not sure we have so much of a generational problem as we have an emasculation problem.
I have blamed the parents for decades. It’s been horrifying to watch some of my peers. Homeschooling prevents a lot of this. Travel. Letting them fail, telling them they will have ramen noodles and not a bMW when they graduate. Telling them “we’re not the Cosby’s” and when you leave you’re gone. Letting them get hurt (physically and emotionally) by life. Setting boundaries and consequences and sticking to them. Letting them do things that scare you as a parent (hunting, semester abroad, etc). But not showing them your fear so they try things. My adult kids are all either employed or self employed and are great at working. They all got jobs as soon as they were of age, had to pay for their own stuff once they did, did their own laundry from 12, had broken bones and stitches and groundings and failures. They’re great kids
Vaccines, glyphosate, high fructose corn syrup, soy, antibiotics, the education system, and media have destroyed their bodies and minds. It’s actually not their fault. Pray for us all. It will not end well.
Yeah, I don't know. I think that economic factors play a large role in people's work habits.
Wages in the past have been stagnant (this may be changing now that employers are finally waking up). In the meantime real estate prices have skyrocketed and the investment markets have been .. volatile in a way that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Social security is a farce, that's been true for at least 20 years.
We see changes in people's careers now, it's no longer advantageous to stay with the same company. In order to get maximum gains one must change jobs around every 3-5 years. If you're not married to your workplace, and you feel like it's just a stepping stone, how invested are you going to be in it?
On the flip side of that, people who have been at their job for over 5 years and are no longer seeing a return for their work are going to slowly be less willing to put forward their best effort. If your raise is the same whether you put in 100 or 50 percent effort, then why would you put in 100?
You always see these claims that employers are having trouble hiring and/or they have to do this or that. What are these employers doing to retain the talent they already have? Just anecdotally I have a coworker who got a 40k a year raise by quitting our company and making a lateral move to another employer. He was one of our best employees, had been there for 20 years and is now gone because the company was unwilling to give him raises commensurate with market rate. Now think of that, it's a 40k a year raise, not some insignificant number, which shows how out of touch some employers are. Had he stayed at this workplace and was being paid so far below market would you blame him for not putting forth his best effort?
My old neighbor, stronk independent woman single mom living off her inheritance and occasional child support from her layabout yoga teacher baby daddy, was giddy one day as she bragged of teaching her 3 y/o son and 4 y/o cousin to say "down with the patriarchy!" on camera to then post to her instawhateverthefuck page. She was telling me this as I was winterizing her sprinkler system because the 100k free videos on youtube were out of her stronk independent reach. While I am guilty of such end-of-empire brass polishing on the titanic enabling, I do so out of pure momentum of the residual social contract, which was the only thing I inherited from my dad when cancer took him from me a long time ago. Helping neighbors is just the right thing to do and all that.
Now we are in that phase where we clutch pearls and ask how we got here, while pretending that the answer is deep in some philosophy that has never before been encountered across all of human history because we must only bleed chickens and rub bones and not gore those sacred cows in one stroke. How did for no reason at all suddenly a man decide one day to put on a womens speedo and ruin all that great progress?
Strangle masculinity in the cradle and cue the angst about males not becoming men to make all the nice (and dirty) things work in the world. We are going to finally get the utopia that is the end of "the patriarchy" and we are gonna get it good and hard.
I also think the Great Recession had a major negative psychological impact on these generations view of work. When the people that caused it all get compensated instead of punished it is a disincentive to participate productively in an unjust society.
Here in UK/Europe we are ahead of the USA with the notion that others should provide what you don’t provide for yourself and other people’s money is for your use. This has been taught to populations by the socialistic ideology that pervades Europe since WWII. We have shifted from self-dependency to dependency on the Collective via the State. In my childhood, once you hit age 15, for most kids it was get a job or get out of the house. Parents couldn’t/wouldn’t support work capable children. Additionally, at the time unemployment payment was not only minimal, but not available until after you had made sufficient National Insurance contributions, which you could only do if you worked. It was a matter of shame not to work. That started to change as we went into the 1970s, parents got wealthier so could support teens who stayed on at school, being unemployed was not your fault, school-leaving age was raised to 16 with an expectation of further education and university for everyone, unemployment benefit became universally available. Leave school at 16, go on welfare. (Now UK school-leaving age is 18 - it makes youth unemployment figures... zero... look good.) The solution? Stop all welfare.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this. However, the root cause analysis could probe a bit deeper. Boomers, etc are not without a hefty share of the blame. If your kid turns out to be a worthless leech, the parent is largely responsible for that. We could sit here and make all sorts of negative generalizations about boomers and every other generation too. As far as I'm aware, millenials and younger generations haven't acquired a ton of power (yet) to enable their destruction of society. Boomers, Gen x, silent generation, etc haven't exactly knocked it out of the park here. For evidence, look at the growth of the federal government and the surveillance state over the past 50 years. Having said all that, the acquiescence of today's young people to things like covid mandates has been very disheartening. I wasn't around back then, but the young people of the 60s/70s seemed to have a refreshing sense of anti-authority.
Eh, doesn’t every generation complain that younger generations are lazy? I feel more and more disconnection from what motivates younger generations, but I sure remember Joe my generation was nicknamed the slacker generation.
If there is a labor problem right now, I think it is an outcome of Covid policies. Society was shown that governments would arbitrarily decide to suspend your ability to work and destroy your business. Meanwhile, many other people were told to go home and literally phone it in. Then, everybody was told that doing a job would get you killed. Oh, you can also make more money by not working. I think the whole thing broke a lot of people.
I employ over 300 millennials and GenZer's.
Gato's generalizations are spot on.
It took me 10 years to figure out how and who to hire.
It boils down to one question for me:
Tell me about a time when you broke a bone or had stitches.
This is definitely an anglo-american thing, like the chem castration fads, 72 genders, and woke destroyers and race marxism or other satanic fixations of failing empires. There are Ukrainian teenagers who escaped the cocaine poison dwarf's mandatory call of duty, now hustling food on bicycles here in Poland for $2-$4 per hour happy not to be stuck in the Empire of Lies' Nazi military meat grinder that can only end with Nuclear war or until the last Ukrainian is dead. I give them $4 tips and their gratitude is off the charts because they know where else they could be at that moment. A compulsory draft might be a good thing for the spoiled socialist babies across the Atlantic. It'll at least get the marxist vampires out of the basement for the first time, and do a push up for the first time... there'll be a lot of firsts if they finally leave the basement but getting laid won't be one of them.
And then there are some kids who are out there putting it on the line. Making the world better in some small way. Why just yesterday I was transiting at Narita airport in Tokyo. I had passed immigration, very quick and I was just transiting, and was in security about to have my backpack checked. There were four lively young people in front of me. I thought ‘odd group’. They were clearly a group but it was as if there were no cues showing any kind of common social ground. Like they came from four parts of the world, four different socioeconomic classes etc. one small Asian woman, a half black man, a cute Scarlett Johannsen type, and a lanky college looking guy. Aha! I had it, I thought. They were all from a large denomination group but from four areas of North America on their way to doing some missionary work. I asked them where they were from. San Diego, New York, Calgary, and Florida. I asked what brings them together. ‘We all are working in Social Media’. I said ‘interesting I don’t think of those who work at social media as congregating and working together. Shows you what I know.’ Then I asked ‘which area of social media do you work in?’ A bit of a hesitation. Then one said ‘you want the truth, or a lie?’ Obviously I wanted the truth. ‘We are all porn stars’. Okay, the church part I had wrong. And some ‘missionary’ work would likely take place, but that wasn’t their focus. They were on their way to a location shoot. See...there are hard working young people out there!
There are many pieces to this puzzle. Consider also that my generation is not merely (failing in) seeking the work, but the HR departments at such workplaces have inflated into a grotesque tumor and are increasingly run by that same demographic. Ironically, they are doing what Marx hated (Iron Law of Woke Projection) and pushing circlejerky ideology rather than contributing usefully.
One point that tends to go unnoticed in these kinds of conversations is the issue of gender. Not fake gender, but actual differences in biological sex.
Girls of generation y and z are much more successful than boys. They work harder in school, get better grades, and have better academic and professional outcomes than their Y chromosome peers. They often exceed their mothers and grandmothers in achievement.
In contrast, boys in their teens and twenties are physically, mentally, and emotionally weaker than any other generational cohort before them.
I'm not sure we have so much of a generational problem as we have an emasculation problem.
They all have terminal affluenza
I have blamed the parents for decades. It’s been horrifying to watch some of my peers. Homeschooling prevents a lot of this. Travel. Letting them fail, telling them they will have ramen noodles and not a bMW when they graduate. Telling them “we’re not the Cosby’s” and when you leave you’re gone. Letting them get hurt (physically and emotionally) by life. Setting boundaries and consequences and sticking to them. Letting them do things that scare you as a parent (hunting, semester abroad, etc). But not showing them your fear so they try things. My adult kids are all either employed or self employed and are great at working. They all got jobs as soon as they were of age, had to pay for their own stuff once they did, did their own laundry from 12, had broken bones and stitches and groundings and failures. They’re great kids
Vaccines, glyphosate, high fructose corn syrup, soy, antibiotics, the education system, and media have destroyed their bodies and minds. It’s actually not their fault. Pray for us all. It will not end well.
Yeah, I don't know. I think that economic factors play a large role in people's work habits.
Wages in the past have been stagnant (this may be changing now that employers are finally waking up). In the meantime real estate prices have skyrocketed and the investment markets have been .. volatile in a way that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Social security is a farce, that's been true for at least 20 years.
We see changes in people's careers now, it's no longer advantageous to stay with the same company. In order to get maximum gains one must change jobs around every 3-5 years. If you're not married to your workplace, and you feel like it's just a stepping stone, how invested are you going to be in it?
On the flip side of that, people who have been at their job for over 5 years and are no longer seeing a return for their work are going to slowly be less willing to put forward their best effort. If your raise is the same whether you put in 100 or 50 percent effort, then why would you put in 100?
You always see these claims that employers are having trouble hiring and/or they have to do this or that. What are these employers doing to retain the talent they already have? Just anecdotally I have a coworker who got a 40k a year raise by quitting our company and making a lateral move to another employer. He was one of our best employees, had been there for 20 years and is now gone because the company was unwilling to give him raises commensurate with market rate. Now think of that, it's a 40k a year raise, not some insignificant number, which shows how out of touch some employers are. Had he stayed at this workplace and was being paid so far below market would you blame him for not putting forth his best effort?
And we think the suicide rate in young people is high now... Just wait until reality really starts setting in.
My old neighbor, stronk independent woman single mom living off her inheritance and occasional child support from her layabout yoga teacher baby daddy, was giddy one day as she bragged of teaching her 3 y/o son and 4 y/o cousin to say "down with the patriarchy!" on camera to then post to her instawhateverthefuck page. She was telling me this as I was winterizing her sprinkler system because the 100k free videos on youtube were out of her stronk independent reach. While I am guilty of such end-of-empire brass polishing on the titanic enabling, I do so out of pure momentum of the residual social contract, which was the only thing I inherited from my dad when cancer took him from me a long time ago. Helping neighbors is just the right thing to do and all that.
Now we are in that phase where we clutch pearls and ask how we got here, while pretending that the answer is deep in some philosophy that has never before been encountered across all of human history because we must only bleed chickens and rub bones and not gore those sacred cows in one stroke. How did for no reason at all suddenly a man decide one day to put on a womens speedo and ruin all that great progress?
Strangle masculinity in the cradle and cue the angst about males not becoming men to make all the nice (and dirty) things work in the world. We are going to finally get the utopia that is the end of "the patriarchy" and we are gonna get it good and hard.
I also think the Great Recession had a major negative psychological impact on these generations view of work. When the people that caused it all get compensated instead of punished it is a disincentive to participate productively in an unjust society.
Here in UK/Europe we are ahead of the USA with the notion that others should provide what you don’t provide for yourself and other people’s money is for your use. This has been taught to populations by the socialistic ideology that pervades Europe since WWII. We have shifted from self-dependency to dependency on the Collective via the State. In my childhood, once you hit age 15, for most kids it was get a job or get out of the house. Parents couldn’t/wouldn’t support work capable children. Additionally, at the time unemployment payment was not only minimal, but not available until after you had made sufficient National Insurance contributions, which you could only do if you worked. It was a matter of shame not to work. That started to change as we went into the 1970s, parents got wealthier so could support teens who stayed on at school, being unemployed was not your fault, school-leaving age was raised to 16 with an expectation of further education and university for everyone, unemployment benefit became universally available. Leave school at 16, go on welfare. (Now UK school-leaving age is 18 - it makes youth unemployment figures... zero... look good.) The solution? Stop all welfare.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this. However, the root cause analysis could probe a bit deeper. Boomers, etc are not without a hefty share of the blame. If your kid turns out to be a worthless leech, the parent is largely responsible for that. We could sit here and make all sorts of negative generalizations about boomers and every other generation too. As far as I'm aware, millenials and younger generations haven't acquired a ton of power (yet) to enable their destruction of society. Boomers, Gen x, silent generation, etc haven't exactly knocked it out of the park here. For evidence, look at the growth of the federal government and the surveillance state over the past 50 years. Having said all that, the acquiescence of today's young people to things like covid mandates has been very disheartening. I wasn't around back then, but the young people of the 60s/70s seemed to have a refreshing sense of anti-authority.
I’m a millennial, but I identify as Gen X.
Eh, doesn’t every generation complain that younger generations are lazy? I feel more and more disconnection from what motivates younger generations, but I sure remember Joe my generation was nicknamed the slacker generation.
If there is a labor problem right now, I think it is an outcome of Covid policies. Society was shown that governments would arbitrarily decide to suspend your ability to work and destroy your business. Meanwhile, many other people were told to go home and literally phone it in. Then, everybody was told that doing a job would get you killed. Oh, you can also make more money by not working. I think the whole thing broke a lot of people.