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This is precisely why fully informed consent (consent free of threats) must always be the rule.

I am a nurse and until the pandemic started would have bet a year’s salary that my physician and nursing colleagues would have insisted on informed consent with regard to the vaccines. I honestly believed they would have universally demanded a cautious approach to the vaccines, as well as the NPIs that were used around the world, knowing that so much harm was likely to come from lockdowns.

I have never been more wrong. And realizing it has forever changed the way I view these professions.

These people are “good” people. They study hard, work hard, and spend their lives trying to help people. They frequently are generous with their time and money.

But they have a fatal flaw: They recognize no power greater than themselves. Their ideas of right and wrong are highly mutable because they are not founded on millennia old religious or moral code but on current trends in morality, which sometimes change almost overnight now with the advent of social media.

These people believe the authority to make decisions is conferred on them based on their professional expertise. They have proven to not have the slightest twinge of concern about overstepping their roles or establishing a precedent that will destroy our professions and cause actual physical and mental harm to many people. They are MAD that they should even have to explain things - people should just do as they are told.

Without safety controls (such as informed consents) firmly in place and vigorously enforced, we open the door to endless abuses by people who will never see themselves as evil. They will be confident in their righteousness because who else is better suited to make decisions for “the public good?”

Who or what process would be able to check that sort of power?

Knowledge that is combined with a largely unchecked ability to dictate policy but is wholly decoupled from a solid moral framework that has stood the test of time will turn itself into a monstrous force.

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Thank you for these inciteful and wholly correct comments.

I'm today undergoing routine but extensive (private - e.g I'm paying) health checks at 2 separate UK hospitals with a variety of health care professionals. My mum died suddenly last week, possibly connected with the 3rd Pfizer covid vaccine (given by the NHS in the care home without notifying me or seeking my permission - I hold full legal power of attorney). There was no underlying medical reason for the sudden, so the GP has referred it to the coroner & for a post mortem (autopsy). Hopefully we will get true answers as to cause of death after this as been done.

My blood pressure is unusually sky high today as as result of firstly the medical centre accepting pre submitted information on my (serious) medical reasons for my mask exemption but then loudly and publicly challenging me about this when I arrived; and then conversations with some of the staff at the first medical centre today, around the ruinous impact of the UK government's NPI policies on my family over the last 19 months & the circumstances of my mother's death. All these awful things demonstrate exactly what you're saying.

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I truly hope you heal. No one, not even the elderly in care homes, should just be injected like that. There is a process. Consent desperately matters. I am sorry that all of this happened to your family.

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Thank you so much for your kind comment. Yes I agree entirely.

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what they did was criminal and immoral.

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I am so sorry to read your mother passed. The home should have contacted you and asked consent. Take good care of yourself, the world needs you.

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Thank you very much. Yes you're entirely right although it was just as much the responsibility of the NHS who I had repeatedly informed previously about the power of attorney. It's a bit different in the UK - the NHS (public, socialised, monolithic healthcare - paid for through taxes) took it upon themselves to go in to the home and vaccinate all the elderly residents with a third vaccination (that's 3 in 10 months).

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and did not give informed consent to anyone or inform relatives of their plan, this is absolutely repulsive and inhumane.

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It is so distressing that you have to fight for answers for what happened to Mum and they do not take it seriously. Please be very careful about your BP, remember, pressures too high chronically can cause renal failure and retinal detachment. Please take care of you.

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Thank you very much. It is never ever normally high at all, I'm sure it was just because I was so infuriated and upset with the entire experience today, but I will indeed take the necessary precautions.

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Oh course it would be with all you have to endure. I hope you receive the support you need to help left the burden a bit.

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I have yet to discuss the vaccines with any health professional who isn't 100 percent in favor of them. They must be out there but all the ones I know or deal with don't think critically. My goal is to avoid doctors for the rest of my life.

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There are some. But doctors and health professionals in general are now taught to follow guidelines, and that humanity is purely chemistry. They are then taught to laugh at anyone who thinks differently. Being sure that they are of superior moral fiber, this comes easy to many.

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A Functional nutritionist and/or a naturopathic doctor could be the answer to all your medical needs. I do avoid allopathic medicine as much as possible. Was able to reverse asthma by keeping functional levels of vit D and through mindful eating (avoiding foods that triggered discomfort, bloating, gas, pain, oral allergies, etc.). Let food be thy medicine.

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Best last line ever Zade!

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The bean counters are too busy counting their extra pennies now to realize that the coffers will be pretty bleak in a few years times.

We are exposing an entire generation of children, teens and young adults to not trust the medical system.

If you have the time, interest, look up Ivor Cummins, one of his original videons where he discusses how he got interested in medical research (hint: his doctors hadn't a clue what cause his problem or how to fix it).

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We have independently arrived at the exact same goal! Neither my kids nor I will be receiving ANY future immunizations. The trust has been broken. Good luck to us.

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It's these medical professionals first, such challenge: questioning and holding their profession accountable. Many just rolled over like a row of dominos, including two within my family. Courage is a difficult core value to adhere to ☹️

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Bravo Lena, this is so true. I will never look at my docs the same way again. They drank the Kool Aid and are now inebriated by it. I do not trust any medical authority as they have lied, ( CDC, NIH etc.). And anything coming out of China, forget it. One way I am fighting back is I purchase nothing from China. This proves difficult but not impossible. Try to buy USA only to keep American families employed. Avoid big pharma like the plague if possible replacing with functional medicine, proper nutrition and homeopathic. Just found out Walmart is teaching CRT to its new employees. I now boycott Walmart. I frequent mom and pop establishments to keep them in business. Asking businesses if they mandate jabs, if so, I walk away after telling them why. This is not easy but hit them where it hurts, their pocketbook. If many more did this, we could make a larger difference, IMHO.

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Really well stated.

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Its so sad to se that we have forgotten the virtue of being humble. We now see the result of that in the arrogance of credentialed folk. To have knowledge yet humility to recognise that knowledge is gained in many different ways and that the Dunning Kruger effect, really does show that knowlege is meaningless and potentially dangerous, without wisdom.(knowledge+humility=wisdom)

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Medicine should stand for LOVE OF THE PATIENT. To serve them with humbleness and devotion, not for the almighty dollar. I hope this pandemic starts and maintains a revolution for alternative medicine and functional/holistic doctors that turns the AMA upside down. The AMA is full of blowhards with no love of the patient. We need to change how we heal and care for patients.

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I have to disagree on the morality and religion part of your well-written post. Geert Vanden Bossche is a case in point. He’s outright said he is not religious or religiously motivated in any way. I am this way too. Geert is a moral and ethical person, which has almost nothing to do with religion. Great if that makes your world better, but there are a lot of us medical professionals who simply want to be good for goodness’ sake. Because it’s the right thing to do.

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If i am to guess, you are an oldish person educated in a time when Christianity was the dominating cultural frame. I do not know how much contact you have with non-christian-culture people such as Indians or Chinese, or the younger generation. They really not see the world the same way at all.

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Hey, we oldish folks rock!!!

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You are a rare flower Mel in a weary world.

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It boils down to just what you said: the lack of acknowledgement of God/morals in their lives. This applies to so much in our society today. Lord help us.

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Kyrie eleison.

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Wow! So well said - SO inciteful. Thanks for clearly articulating of one of the challenging drivers for problems we're seeing globally. When you add in the revolving door of the fox guarding the hen house and the perverse incentive of keeping big pharma overfed, we've got the perfect storm.

But again, your capture of the medical community's hubris + inability to circumambulate/meta communicate is spot on. Thanks!

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I was just saying the same thing to my husband last night. I had just read about an experiment concerning rats drowning in water and what happened when you gave them hope. I won't go into further details of the experiment because it was awful. I cried when I read about it. And that's probably a relatively "tame" one. We definitely have more sociopaths in our society than we think - many just hide it in professions that allow them to harm others legally.

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Look closely and you'll see they've been running the Hope Experiment on us for the last two years. 15 days to flatten the curve and you can go back to normal. 70% herd immunity and you can go back to normal. 70% Vaccinated and you can go back to normal. 95% vaccinated and you can go back to normal. 100% Double vaccinated and you can go back to normal. Booster shots and you can go back to normal... Vaccine passports and you can go back to normal.... Amazing that anyone is still falling for this.

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Like Lucy and the football to Charlie Brown.

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Exactly like that. they offer you hope that *this* time, it'll be different, and the Charlie's keep trying to please them in the hopes that *this* time, it's true.

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Only we are not cartoon characters.

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but to them we are...

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Are you sure?

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/pinches hersel/ Aw. Yes.

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Is that not the truth? An endless dangling of hope just beyond our reach. But then the numbers change, the definitions of things change, and when anyone takes note, they scoff and say, “You simpleton. Do you not realize that science evolves? This is for the public good. You care about others, right? Well, don’t you?” On and on.

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The ever-shifting goal posts…

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I wonder if Pouchy started as a child, pulling wings off of flies. Despicable man.

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I'd bet any amount he tortured small animals. Any creature too small to fight back

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Sounds like what they are doing to us now.

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Forget hugging grandma. At this point we're about to enter the equivalent of young children with their heads in cages full of parasites stage of Covid vaccine testing. Except we already know that subjecting children to the vax is a monstrous, unnecessary evil. If only the general populace could dredge up as much outrage at taking and/or ruining the lives children as they do for torturing puppies, some of the ghouls running this show would be administered the zombie treatment.

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The mandatory vaccinate of 5 to 11 year old children to attend school is reckless and perhaps criminal. I ask only that the protection from lawsuit be removed from vaccine providers and governments and then let's see how things change.

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In the USA no vaccine maker is liable for the damage done. You have to start a lawsuit and if the government thinks it unneccessary, you can not even do that. I read that less than 1 % of damages ever make it to lawsuit and payout. As if a sum of money can bring your child back of course... or give their health back. Just saw a doc on Gardasil. Awful.

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Just a couple points of clarification. All vaccines under an EUA are protected from liability under the PREP Act. If you are injured by an EUA vaccine, you cannot sue. Your only recourse is the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP). (As an interesting side note, the PREP Act requires that people be informed about what is known about the product and have the right to refuse. Both of these are being violated right now, so it will be interesting to see if they do end up being vulnerable to lawsuit.)

Once a vaccine receives full FDA approval, they lose the PREP Act shield and can be held liable, EXCEPT when they are placed on the ACIP's recommended schedule for childhood vaccines. Once it makes that list, they regain their liability shield for all children (but not adults). That's why they are rushing so hard to get the Pfizer one on the schedule. If a child is injured by a vaccine on the childhood immunization schedule, your only recourse is the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).

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Fwiw I took a conscientious objection to the chicken pox vaccine, Varivax, when the local school board mandated for kids. It's a vaccine made using cell lines from fetal cells obtained in abortion. That was my objection. The county board of health took it. Our sons never got that crappy vaccine

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I've been doing religious exemptions for my kids since they started school. My oldest had an severe vax reaction at 3months which prompted me to start reading the inserts of each vax. Then, my second one started exhibiting hand-flapping and other sensory issues and had significant speech delay. So, I decided to listen to my inner voice and halted ALL vax from 18 months forward. Never looked back. Never submitted vax records to schools even though my oldest was the full 2yr schedule, and my second got all vax up to 12 months. It was none of their business. The school district made me watch some "educational" videos re: vaccines. You know, the state-sponsored propaganda. I answered questions and got a 'certification'. Some states like CA have removed religious exemptions which makes it impossible for parents to seek the alternative option (medical). But filing for religious exemption is NOT hard at all in states that allow it.

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Aren't we seeing a wave of infertility from Gardasil?

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After hearing about Remdesivir and the disastrous studies that led Fauci to proclaim that drug "safe and effective" while KNOWING it caused severe renal and liver failure in 30%+ of patients, I have no problem calling him a psychopath. He's an effing mass murderer.

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You should look up his "work" with AZT. Having lost people to HIV/AIDS , I've hated him since I found out about him in the 90s.

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I read all about that last spring and summer, it's utterly despicable. I think his AZT has killed maybe 250,000 gays. Is he that stupid? And here we go with his virus and his lethal vaccines, same gambit. He also ruined people who opposed him.

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He "diagnosed" pregnant woman of color with HIV to test his poison on. Many of them (mother and child) died. But he got his toxic thresholds with these unknowing sacrificial humans for the benefit of science. One has to wonder. How far does this gain of function go? Ebola? HIV? Flu? The culling of other humans and crazy animal and fetal experiments has to stop.

I am also a nurse. I am in a place where I don't know if I can trust my kids pediatrician anymore. I know for sure, I can't trust my own MD. She reported me for not being vaccinated "despite her recommendations" in hopes I would be fired. I am a healthy 50 something woman whom has survived COVID along with my triplegic, blind tube feeding son. No medical assistance from anyone. The abuse my mom got in the hospital ER for daring to get COVID without being vaccinated? would make you sick. I look around at the medical community and I am disheartened. Very much so.

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This is infuriating. Just absolutely infuriating.

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I hope to live long enough to see him swing.

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Most of the people I know who deify "the science" and "the experts" are the same sorts who feel bad eating meat, and condemn ranchers for "animal cruelty". Ah the irony.

As someone who grew up on a farm, surrounded by farmers and ranchers, no one respects animal life more than they do. No one would be quicker to condemn this absurd and wanton cruelty. Everything continues to be exactly backwards in our world.

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That's because most of those people are utterly disconnected from nature and not just because they dwell in cities. But they have a Disney-fied notion of nature.

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My grandpa (grew up a farm boy) used to love to tell a story about a city woman he knew: he told her one time that a fox had cleared out their hen house.

Well this poor woman's eyes grew as big as saucers, she gave a big gasp and said "you mean to tell me that foxes eat RAW MEAT?"

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just like when people tell you a dog cannot eat bones. Ever saw a fox come out of the woods with a chicken, asking you to de-bone it ?

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Very good point 🙂

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I know of people who aren't sure if asparagus is vegan.

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... ...what?

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Good gravy. I guess her parents didn't explain the saying, "like a fox in a hen house". And she probably just nodded along like an idiotic bobblehead when other people used the saying.

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My grandparents used to have a different rancher slaughter their cattle. They obviously knew why they were raising and caring for those cows - but they wanted someone else to do the killing. (They would slaughter their neighbors' cattle; it wasn't the slaughter that bothered them, it was just betraying the trust of the animals they cared for.)

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Yep, this is exactly correct. Caring for animals the traditional way involves emotional investment, and you get to know the animal's individual personalities and quirks. It breeds love and respect for animals. I've never been in a lab, but I imagine working with genetically identical animals in a sterile environment would tempt you to treat them more like machines, and not like living things.

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You mean REAL farmers. I think most people don't comdemn farmers, but the industrial farms, the warehouses full of animals propped together without room but in their own dung. The feed lots where cows are fed off before the kill. One should not call that farming though. Nowadays people confuse these two.

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Yep. I speak of farming in the traditional manner, feedlots and industrial farms are another thing entirely. Good clarification 👍

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Timothy - Exactly! So well said!!

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Contempt for animal life leads to contempt for human life. Edward Abbey, One Life at a Time Please, 1988

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But this is widespread now, way more than 1% are not only capable of this, but gleefully participate in it everyday. These are people who would strap harmful cloth gags across children's faces for six to eight hours and then inject them with biologics known to cause harm, just al that they can “feel safe.”. And then after injecting the children, put them back in masks, cause they need to “feel safe”. And to top it off, frighten the children each and everyday so the adults can “feel safe.” This is no different than the monkey experiments. The bast majority of teachers and school administrators fall into this category.

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Human sacrifice.

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I keep wondering if 500 years from now, this period in history will widely be recognized as doing just that.

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I don't doubt it. We're disgusting cannibals. Fetal cell lines, used to make substances to inject into people. Worse than the Aztecs.

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Perhaps, the monkeys are not the only ones with a portion of their brains removed.

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I was indefinitely suspended from Twitter this past weekend for calling for the death penalty for Anthony Fauci. These are the aiders and abetters of this psychopathy.

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I know he sold the company or whatever, but Jack Dorsey looking like the 21st century Rasputin fits in nicely.

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I don’t know if you listen to Michael Knowles, but his term for Jack is “hipster Rasputin”, which I think is quite apt 👌

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Hey that's right he does!

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Good govts carry out punishments quickly and fairly.

Neither of these things are happening in the USA anymore.

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So then “we the people” need to take care of business.

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Get on gab.com where you won’t be censored for making common sense declarations

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I am on Telegram. Also Free Atlantis.

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me too. called him a murderer.. said he needs to hang.

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Truly very penetrating, gato. The sadness of it all, the seemingly universal moral vacuum, the disappearance of honesty, the lack of empathy...all these things bring this to mind:

"How weary, stale, flat, and unprofitable

Seem to me all the uses of this world!

Fie on ’t, ah fie! 'Tis an unweeded garden

That grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature

Possess it merely. That it should come to this."

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Because of everything happening we will have a great awakening and people will return to God in a huge way

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gato, have you read C.S. Lewis’s book, That Hideous Strength? He foresaw this, like so many other things.

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I'm reading that series right now.

I'm currently almost finished with perelandra, so I'll be starting that hideous strength soon.

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You are in for a treat. I love the whole trilogy, but most people don’t have the patience. Fortunately, THS can stand on its own, as you’ll see. It helps to have read the first two, but it isn’t necessary.

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I have patience for this kind of reading since my Great COVID Awakening (as I call it).

I'm starving for spiritual food .....

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That Hideous Strength is a masterpiece.

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The Lord of the Rings is another good, inspiring tale for our times.

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Just finished the series. Exquisitely beautiful. The ring of power was not the answer to saving kingdoms. Gollum and Frodo, two of the most inconsequential characters, were able to destroy it. The small, the humble, the compassionate might save us all. Prayer is powerful.

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Yes! That series I have read, and even read to my oldest son (after the Hobbit, of course!). People crave a sense of fighting for the good and destroying evil. It's instinctive in our make-up. The books of today so often depress me with having NO hero - no one to root for! And then people wonder at suicide rates and people lacking a sense of purpose in their lives!

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I understand.

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Everyone is. Seek God out in your own way.

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He also, in one of his books, said that our approach to medicine and the human body calls for something like a repentance. I can't recall which of his books that was

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"The Head"! Unforgettable. Brilliant book

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We are currently watching “The Head” (aka Brandon) on CNN each evening.

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I can’t even read the details of these horrific experiments. I have worked in medicine for many years and I have always felt there are some clinicians who enjoy whatever element of experimentation there is in treating humans. Some more than others. These scientists are sick.

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I'd call it evil

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I've long been sure that the people doing the CRISPR genetic meddling are satanically sure that they have a right to control creation. And the white coats you describe were little kids who liked to torture frogs and pull the legs of Daddy Long Legs just for fun. These people are my natural enemies.

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I don't know if I agree that most of us are not like this. We've been leaving people to die in hospitals alone for a year and a half now because of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate. I have a feeling more people than you think would fall in this category.

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i think that's a bit different.

that's more like the 95% of people who manage to ignore that awful things are going on.

it's easy to just put your head down and go along to get along. it's easy to be passive and submit to prohibitions.

but to be the one actually dripping acid into the brains of baby monkeys to make them easier to scare?

no. that's a (mercifully) rare trait.

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This is exactly an important comparison gato.

Hence "all that takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing"

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And you have a point. I suppose that's kind of what I was going for, but you're more eloquent.

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Just as the sadism in these experiments is rare, the courage to challenge the system is as rare🙄

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I retired (early) as an RN in August and this was one of the reasons. It's not that most medical folks were just ignoring the damage we were doing restricting patient visitation: it's that we literally couldn't do anything without making it worse. Which is the greater harm: leave hospitals miserably understaffed, or accept the restrictions placed on us and try to do the best we can for our patients?

At the beginning we all believed that Covid 19 would be as bad as, if not worse than, the Spanish flu. We were working blind and doing the best we could to protect our patients. As time went on, though, it became obvious that we were sometimes doing more harm than good, that many of the restrictions were overreactions and enforcement was too strict. I was a hematology/oncology RN: right before I decided to retire I had to send a patient who'd been on our floor for weeks, with his mother as his only allowed visitor, to the Covid unit because he tested positive. They wouldn't let his mom go with him to the covid floor because "it's unsafe" for her. She'd been with him 24/7 for almost a month, but NOW it's too dangerous?

I'm not going to make excuses for the few who love having power over people's lives, they obviously do exist, but the reality is most people can't afford to walk out, many literally do care more about their patients than themselves, and sometimes you're stuck enforcing stupid, useless rules because the alternative is giving up and leaving hospitals understaffed.

I gave up and left because I started suffering compassion fatigue and could no longer give the care my patients deserved (a selfish decision, and I own it, but I have to take care of myself, too). The sad reality is, of those who are still working under stupid rules, many think they're doing the right thing, many don't but also don't want to walk out on their patients and coworkers, and most are burning out because they're left feeling helpless when faced with the reality that there's little we can do to make things better.

It's tempting to say people should threaten to quit and force change, but it's become apparent that quitting doesn't make a difference to anyone but you, because bureaucrats have decided what will be done and will continue enforcing their ridiculous mandates regardless of whether any professional medical personnel (or first responders) are left. (I honestly think they believe *anyone* can do our jobs.)

And that's the worst of it, to me. Learning that the people who make the rules literally don't care about patients or the people who provide care. Many of the caregivers have had fear porn shoved down their throats for a long time and believe it, and most who are left are too tired and/or resigned to do anything but trudge to work and try to get through a shift without killing someone. Don't excuse the assholes, but remember that victims of abuse tend to become abusers; hospital workers right now are definitely victims of abuse and most are unable to object because they still need a paycheck.

Sorry to go so long, I probably could've said all this better, but I'm taking the opportunity to vent...

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I have met some great nurses and I have met some that I don't know if they went into the wrong profession or they were just past the point of caring, but they had no business dealing with people in any kind of physical and emotional distress. But what I do admire you for is recognizing your burn out and stopping. That takes a certain amount of strength. And honestly we all like to think we'd be that one hero who could stand up to the mob, or the boss, but I don't know what I'd do in that situation, not really. This is not the fault of any of the employees of these systems. You are used and tossed aside, like so many workers in modern America. I'm sorry if it feels like this was directed at you and those like you. I think most of you have done the very best you can, just like all of us do. It's just an incredibly messed up situation.

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You have a point.

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Some interesting writing from normally-humor journalist Jon Ronson, who had a lasting fascination some years ago about the existence and relative rarity of psychopaths:

http://www.jonronson.com/psycho.html

https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_strange_answers_to_the_psychopath_test

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After hearing of people being left alone to die, then finding out from a former neighbor this is what happened to his wife, my wife told me one day "I don't want to die alone in the hospital. Please take me home if it ever happens to me". All I can say is woe unto any health worker that stands in my way at that hour.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O1DgWYdukZU

The Amish kept their people home rather than leave them to die alone in a hospital.

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Even more than COVID, this is what my sister and I feared with our 82 yo mother. We were not going to let her die alone even if we had to storm our way into the hospital and take her out, or not take her in the first place. On a side note, as sad as it is, hospitals are not a safe place to leave people alone. We have a lot of delusions about what those places are like and the ability (and sometimes willingness) of staff to handle the workload and pay attention to detail.

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My mom lost a dear friend that way. My biggest fear was that my son would become ill and die without his mom. He is very limited intellectually and I couldnt imagine him dying alone. Now that we have had covid and no support from the medical community, I am pissed that I felt threatened by the terror it was represented to be. SOOO pissed to be gaslighted and terrorized!

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They are the new gas chambers

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Dan - get me out too.

We need brave souls willing to fight off the white coats.

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OK, just send me note if it ever happens to you. I'm not kidding.

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The white coats are coming…

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I told my husband to let me die at home

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Same here. I procured enough Ivermectin plus all the other FLCCC "covid kit" supplements to take care of my family of 4 in case of illness. But I made my husband promise to NEVER take me to the hospital. Period. I've been managing great with my vit D3, C, Zinc gummies, and the occasional quercetin or NAC. Avoiding masks as much as possible. Have been to 6 rallies with hundreds of unmasked people and have never gotten sick. So, my immune system is doing its job. :D

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Maddening. Every one of them deserves a cruel miserable death.

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A far less dramatic, but illustrative example.

Sitting in small airplane seats without the necessary legroom really hurts a big guy like me. I walk around gimped up for a day after.

So for business travel, I went to my doctor at the time, and asked for an exemption for work so I could get them to pay for Economy Plus. The doctor looked at me and said "we just can't do that." I said "why?" "Well you'd have to have a back x-ray and we'd have to establish a clinical problem, with a history."

I looked at him and said "well, would you prescribe me muscle relaxers for when I fly?" He said "no problem."

And that is exactly how the medical profession is fundamentally authoritarian, and authority-supporting.

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That really is a good analogy to explain the probs. 🤔

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