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TAM's avatar

Makes you wonder what is happening at the preclinical (animal testing) level if clinical studies are being shut down. I used to work at a preclinical laboratory so I know what all goes into a FDA submission and NORMALLY you have to run several preclinical studies dealing with safety, efficacy, abuse liability (is it addictive), neurotoxicity, reproductive and fertility, carcinogenicity, cardiovascular and pulmonary, just to name a few, before it is ever tested on humans. I am not aware of any preclinical studies that have been done on these vaccines. When I left the industry in 2017 there was no talk of mRNA vaccines being developed. If there had been, my laboratory would have been on the frontlines of this development. Seeing as it takes between 6-10 years to successfully bring a new drug to market, I am deeply deeply suspicious that shortcuts have been taken with these vaccines, and this is what I tell people when they ask why I am not getting any of them. I spent 37 years in this business and I was in a position to know.

Eve Lynn's avatar

26 years in the industry - 19 at big pharma and I agree. I also suspect that the push to vaccinate the children is driven by indemnity.

If big pharma can get under the protection of childhood immunization "national childhood vaccine injury act" they will never have to pay for vaccine injuries.

TAM's avatar

One of my coworkers where I work now, in a plastics factory, thinks that down the road you will see ads for "injured by covid vaccine? call 1-800-xxx-xxxx". I think he is right even though right now big pharma seems to have covered their asses. Also, what scares me is that OSHA is telling companies not to report adverse effects because they want to encourage people to get vaccinated. This is on the OSHA website. If you are a worker and you think OSHA is on your side, just take a look at some of the things they say. For example, they admit that not having restroom access can cause health problems yet it is ok for warehouses and port facilities to deny such access to truckers who often have to wait 8 hours or more to load/or unload. Those restrooms are for warehouse/port employees only. It is up to the trucker's employer to see that restrooms are provided; if that employer can't or won't or the trucker is self-employed, too bad. That's their problem. OSHA won't step in.

Eve Lynn's avatar

There is no recourse under EUA except the govt. program which isn't awarding injury claims. I think you sign a disclaimer when you get the vaxx because of the EUA which in the end will probably neutralize any lawsuits.

OSHA only oversees companies of 100 or more.

Vida Galore's avatar

My friend who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry (runs trials) for 25 years is the one who verified what a hoax this whole thing was. When she explained what goes into trials, she (and I) concluded that there is no way whatever this experimental stuff is was a 'vaccine' much less safe. Trials take 5-10 years minimum, and she ought to know. Also, this b.s. claim by the powers that be, that the trials were faster because they had more people? Ridiculous. More people mean longer trials. So it's been obviously b.s. from the start.

Duchess's avatar

Oh there were definitely shortcuts taken. Bioavailability wasn't done, neurotixicity wasn't done, etc. etc. etc. The entire rollout is a TRIAL, and we are the animals.

Dr. Colleen Huber's avatar

COVID epidemiology data clearly do not support a pandemic, as I showed in my book The Defeat Of COVID, but political events since early 2020 do show a clear, incremental path toward medical tyranny.

However, that doesn't mean that Scott Gottlieb was a saint for having left the FDA earlier. The FDA has long had an 80% personnel revolving door with pharma & fox-in-henhouse role for many decades. Gottlieb, predictably, moved from FDA to Pfizer's board, which may be somewhere down around the 9th ring of hell, but I'm dusty on my Dante there.

Your industry, gato malo, may not have suffered under Gottlieb, but such shenanigans as definitional changes that pushed nutrients into a "drug" category (503A & 503B) stomped on naturopathic doctors and compounding pharmacies, and happened under Gottlieb's watch, which served to make unfair regulatory competition, and was a clear violation of antitrust laws. Gottlieb got away with it, because FDA benefactor corporations have $$$$$ lawyers, and all we in natural medicine have is the gratitude of our patients and few $.

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Ann Glover's avatar

Imagine if they simply dropped it. Just. Dropped it. Told people that this is endemic now. Move on. Manage it. Pointed doctors to the FLCCC for advice on therapies, and then got back to proper work. Can we all have that for Christmas? Please? Even though I'm not American, so much of the world takes its cue from you. Or used to. The alternatives (China-style) are just too awful to contemplate. Or the European descent into WW2-style tyranny. Or Australia's full-on dystopia.

In the meantime, the best gift we all need to be giving ourselves is the gift of improving our health and well-being. Looks as though this is going to be crucial, with medical research in tatters. Maybe this is the tiny, tiny sliver of silver lining in all this?

Vida Galore's avatar

Their goal is to get us to vaxx passports and eventually to where they can monitor every aspect of our lives through first phones, next, chips. It's going to happen because people aren't resisting. Once those chains go on, we're screwed. I refuse to comply with any of these new 'rules' which are (in the US) unconstitutional, illegal and violate the Nuremburg principles. If everyone had refused from day 1 we would not be where we are now.

MLL's avatar

Apple watch was the precursor of tracking. Hate the company for its invasion of privacy and deluding people into wanting it! The more these IT companies push towards face recognition, finger print, and other unique ID processes, the more backwards I get. My goal is to get back to an analog existence. Easier said than done. I'm 57, so it's easier for me to retreat but not so for my kids who are enamored with the iPhone and their latest products. But I'll do what I can.

Ann Glover's avatar

I'm with you on this.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

For my recent birthday, I ditched my Apple Watch and iPhone. Just turned them off and threw them in a drawer. (Actually, I'm considering smashing them with a hammer - but my wife will bitch about the waste if I do, so I'm biding my time.)

Get out of the Matrix. It's far far more sinister than you think it is.

Ann Glover's avatar

I sometimes wonder if this isn't going to take something radical - like a mass display of cell phone destruction. In South Africa, one of the most symbolic acts of resistance was when black people burnt their pass books (known as "dompas") in public. People need to think really hard about the extent of their enslavement, and whether part of it may not be self-inflicted. Would it be so bad if we had none? Or if we simply went back to the basic "call and message" phones? Or, at the very least, for those who can't do without, to adopt a guerrilla strategy of having an old phone as a decoy?

Vida Galore's avatar

I am literally considering getting a land line phone again. I haven't had one in like 10 years. And then getting a flip phone. But the sad thing is, I am a UX designer by trade, so I have to have a smartphone. But I hardly use it! I actually don't care for them. I prefer computers. I think this is a great idea. I have often said, this ends when we chuck the phones into a big pile and bury them.

Ann Glover's avatar

I'm sure there are enough old phones lying around for people to collect and use in a public display of destruction! For those who really need them, a decoy flip phone would work. Haul that out if there are any stop searches and say it's your phone. What can they do? Frisk search everyone? Starts making it legally more and more untenable.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

ee my previous comment about ditching my Apple spies ... I mean, *communication devices.*

I received a Light Phone II from my adult children. It has an LCD screen (think Kindle) and makes phone calls, receives or sends messages. It doesn't even have voicemail - though I could probably reset my Tmobile and get access to that. (I won't, tho.)

Completely serious: get out of the Matrix while you still can. Ditch the smartphones, withdraw yourself from the internet.

Rocks are hard, water is wet. Virtual reality isn't real or virtual. It's a trap. Go outside; experience the sun and the weather. Talk to real people.

Ann Glover's avatar

Yes, agreed! But I need to keep contact with the likes of people here until this nightmare is over, otherwise I would have been a pincushion by now. 😂

Ann Glover's avatar

Looking at this again - to be clear, the dompas was not self-inflicted! That wasn't my intended inference. It was very much an oppressive measure. My point being that we are enabling a potential means of self-enslavement by using these infernal devices all the time and ceding their use so readily to third parties for surveillance purposes. And that we could consider taking a lesson from South African resistance fighters to stage a massive "cellphone demolition" performative resistance act to get the message across. Might be a hard one for some to execute, though! 😂

kitten seeking answers's avatar

... think they’re having difficulty with the speed bumps here, our Constitutional Rights in America & the sheer number of Trump Judicial appointments... it does seem like Socialist countries cave faster... 💕God Please Continue to Bless America... Your Home Sweet Home... Grateful to be an American💕

Ann Glover's avatar

Yes. People, as in so many socialist, techno-controlled countries, are mesmerised by those little blinky green lights on their phones telling them where to go and what to do. Gives them a sense that big daddy is looking after them. That there's someone in charge. That all's a-going to be alright....

Vida Galore's avatar

This whole thing has turned me against socialism in a big way. I used to think aspects of it were good, like healthcare for all. But now, seeing how easy it was for their governments to go full on totalitarian, because they depend 100% on the government? Nope.

Nathan's avatar

Government run healthcare systems enabled the « protect our hospitals » narrative to run unchallenged far longer than places with decentralized hospitals. All it took was for a few US hospitals to say, we’re fine actually please come and seek treatment for other things so we don’t go broke, and the spell was broken.

In Quebec that couldn’t happen, but we did finally get to the point this fall where there was just not enough Covid positive people in the hospital to explain the strain on the medical system. This led to the government having to back down from mandating injections for medical workers, and more and more people are questioning their management of hospitals seeing as they can’t seem to staff them. That’s nice to see, but I’ll never forget how easily this system was exploited to control public opinion.

MLL's avatar

The one thing that always put me off about universal healthcare was the issue of vaccines. I stopped vaccinating my kiddos at 18 months. Took me a while to learn of risks after my firstborn suffered an AE (2002). Coverage for the poor is a must but it must be done in addition to allowing for our private system. I will not compromise my freedom to choose my naturopaths, chiropractors, and all other natural medicine practitioners that I love. Allopathic medicine is only a very last resort in cases of bleeding, broken bones, or other obscure illness. I'm responsible for my health not government.

Vida Galore's avatar

Well said. I am also big on naturopathy. My mantra is Food = Medicine.

MLL's avatar

YES!!! I've been a fervent believer in functional medicine since my kids were little. Learning about nutritional-based interventions (including vitamins, minerals, and other natural products) has been a life-saver for my family. I've even resolved my asthma by keeping vit D level above 50 ng/ml (currently at 79). We must learn the power of good nutrition based on whole foods that have not been sprayed with pesticides, incorporating nutritional supplements as needed. I love that the FLCCC protocol uses a lot of this approach. Got a shelf full of my favorite vitamins, minerals, pre-biotics, probiotics, etc. Add physical activity and a healthy weight and I hope to never have to step into a hospital again in a long while.

Ann Glover's avatar

Funny - just came across some sites on functional medicine yesterday. I like what I hear. I'm trying to shift my habits bit by bit. Journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step....

Tardigrade's avatar

"Even though I'm not American, so much of the world takes its cue from you. Or used to."

Possibly "used to". It's starting to look a *teeny* bit like Fauci and Co. are backing off, while places like Australia and Austria are doubling down.

Could be just a head fake though.

Andrea's avatar

Don’t let your guard down while FrankenFauci and Bill Hates, are still breathing.

Ann Glover's avatar

That would be excellent news, indeed. The world is desperately in need for the Land of the Free to get back on track. Don't underestimate what you stand for.

Vida Galore's avatar

It's not about the virus or our health, it's about setting up a global techno-feudalism state. Covid is a means to that. Next, it will be climate change.

JerryB's avatar

Maybe folks will learn. Suppose we get a perfect FDA and humanity-loving doctors and researchers. If we got there tomorrow, I'd still never believe a damn thing they say. We'll never get there, we've never been there, as you point out.

My grandma, born in 1900, told me, "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see." She never saw the Internet. Go, and think likewise.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

My USMC son brought home his roommate at Thanksgiving. A discussion erupted over the issue of "climate change" which the roommate assured me was true because he'd "researched it on the internet."

Imagine the looks on his face when I told him "Don't believe everything you see on the internet." He literally could not process this statement. After a few seconds of stammering disbelief, he asked me "You mean you don't believe Google?"

He was completely serious. This generation is gullible and lost to the agitprop.

JerryB's avatar

LOL. And that's a Marine. I work in defense, and 85 - 90% of my colleagues fell for the psy-op. It's clear that defense is anymore just a theory. I.e., defense is what the CFR puts on Google and NPR.

"Public Health" is just as much BS. The cholesterol myth is still the longest running and deadliest scam they've perpetrated. World on Lipitor!

Corkey's avatar

If it promotes early death then it’s part of their policy. This is deliberate.

Lori's avatar

yes, plandemic of genocide, sterility of our next generation and killing of our seniors. Heinous does not even begin to describe this sacrilege. I keep praying the house of cards will fall, starting at the top with fauci, gates and schwab and then let them all fall into the bowels of hell.

Corkey's avatar

Lake Of Fire gonna be busy

Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Blimey. This is yet another angle of this catastrophic clown shitshow I hadn’t considered. Add this to the estimated reduction of 1.9 years in life expectancy due to lockdowns (per a June 24, 2021, British Medical Journal study as reported by RFK).

Oh, and I can’t resist:

“South Coast Boutique. They’re having a fire sale?!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLjccAhdhL4

MLL's avatar

What about the shortened life expectancy of all the kids and young adults that have been jabbed? My heart breaks for all of them. I think Dr. McCullough had talked about a shorter life span for those who have suffered myocarditis, for example.

Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

I know 💔 It is almost too much to bear. We MUST stop this.

Lori's avatar

a shitshow indeed MAA

Allen's avatar

All of the exaggerated and repeated fear-based messages from the media and government agencies this past year were just part of the advertising campaign for the pharmaceutical industry’s newest lucrative product. Without the fear-mongering propaganda campaign no one would’ve noticed anything unusual about the last two flu seasons because there was nothing unusual, except for the criminal, murderous, and utterly unscientific lockdown policies in response to the non- existent threat.

The only “bio-weapons” to be worried about are the poisonous injections that have already been plunged into the bloodstream of millions of people, maiming and murdering countless thousands, including perfectly healthy people who face no risk from The Virus™ and now kids are in the cross hairs of these psychotic billionaires.

A lot of people aren't getting yet that the mRNA "vaccine" cash cow is going to be much bigger than "Covid."

Theoretically they could use a similar mechanism against any (invented) viral pathogen in existence, and now that they've gotten the tech to market and wiped out lengthy and costly safety trials they'll start going down the list. Investors are drooling.

Pharma-owned Governments will look to mandate the shots (or short of that, will use every form of coercion available to them) for entire populations.

Allowed to do it once they'll do it a thousand times. Every human being on earth, every human body will be tapped as an endless source of revenue for the Pharma ghouls and their investors.

This is the next epoch of medicine, which began by monetizing illness, proceeded to monetize health, and will now monetize the human body itself. The injections needn't be "efficacious" at all for this scheme to work.

The plan is for this to be a subscription model for endless mRNA injections. They want everyone to become human pincushions in order to line the pockets of The Pharma Cartel.

Normies are being led into a trap they'll never be able to escape, and they've been conditioned to reject a priori the possibility that people in power conspire to enrich themselves at the expense of the masses because it sounds too "conspiratorial" to them.

Corkey's avatar

The one thing you left out of your well written analysis is the topic of justice, the lack of it. A crime unpunished will escalate as in its ruthlessness. If no one is prosecuted on Covid 19, the next crime and the one after that will be more heinous.

tim harris's avatar

I agree. It seems in the public eye that it is 'covid' that is blamed for all the problems, but of course it is not covid but the governmental and medical establishment reaction to covid. With the level of media and medical advice frenzy one would think that all the ICU's have been filled this whole covid time. I found out that in Ontario, Canada where I live that the ICU's at the highest point, May 1st, 2021, had about 25% of the ICU beds used for covid patients. That’s the highest, so mostly it was lower and usually a lot lower. With all the commenting in the media about overflowing ICU beds you would think there would have been a lot of reports about the total number of beds in Ontario. However, that number was difficult to find as no media source or medical source ever seemed to have that number. (At least in a search I did for ICU beds in Ontario). I found that information from the Financial Accountability Office of Ontario.

It looks like a lot of the cancelling of other medical treatments happened due to the idea that there was going to be so much disruption that those treatments couldn't be done. But those disruptions may not have ever happened or if they did were slight. So much lack of information here it is something the public will never know.

https://nikontim.substack.com/

Corkey's avatar

According to the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989:7

“Whoever knowingly develops, produces, stockpiles, transfers, acquires, retains, or possesses any biological agent, toxin, or delivery system for use as a weapon, or knowingly assists a foreign state or any organization to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both. There is extraterritorial Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section committed by or against a national of the United States.”

PamelaDrew's avatar

Good thing legacy media keep focus on fear because side effects of policy would trigger full blown revolt if folks look beyond the single risk of COVID virus.

MarianneK's avatar

This doesn't surprise me. Social Security offices, the local office that you go to to get things fixed if a problem develops, have been closed since March 2020. They push you to file your problem online, or call. This is to "protect their elderly population". Nothing gets fixed. We are entering the Soviet era for the US I guess.

Rosemary B's avatar

Obama and his world wide band of criminals - fundamentally transforming the US. The real insurrection occurred on November 3rd 2020

Greg's avatar

This has directly effected me. OMEROS ..Symbol OMER

has a Drug called Narsoplimab for stem cell transplants. The FDA helped design the trial themselves. The drug blew away all agreed upon endpoints. Delayed PDUFA and a CRL.

It’s absurd and it’s costing lives.

Second...the fda isn’t running trials on other covid drugs.

ISPY trials are. Narsoplimab is in the ISPY trials ....It’s just taking forever.

However, it appears the drug works, also costing lives.

https://www.biospace.com/article/lessons-from-bergamo-halting-the-complement-cascade-may-stop-covid-19-in-its-tracks/

kitten seeking answers's avatar

...so this might be yet another opportunity for the Pfizer’s of the world to prey on small, illiquid outfits on the verge of fda approval...

Amy Peikoff's avatar

The last real head of the FDA left in April *2019*? That wasn't a typo? Was it 2020? If it was 2019, we should talk.

Amy Peikoff's avatar

We should talk anyway, because regardless I have a question about just how early this virus (or some earlier variant) might have been circulating...

Amy Peikoff's avatar

Also, it's not "crony capitalism," it's just plain old Cronyism. I call it #CronyCare.

Soteria's avatar

Currently a member of the Pfizer and Illumina Inc Boards of Directors, contributor to CNBC and "spending time with his three young daughters", amongst other roles.

Amy Peikoff's avatar

even more interesting...

Amy Peikoff's avatar

ok, so now I'm really wondering how early this might have been circulating. could he have known, in April 2019?

el bicho palo's avatar

they patented the virus in 2012. try to keep up. Dr David Martin has the goods on all this. Covid19 is named Covid19 in patents from 2015 like this one https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/patent/US-2020279585-A1

It certainly didn't start in 2020

Amy Peikoff's avatar

ok, but my guess is a "priority date" just means that some prior related work counted to get "priority" status for purposes of the patent filed in 2020, right? While the "priority date" goes back to 2015, the other dates related to the patent are 2020. still, the more I hear, the more I think it's possible that I was sick with the coronavirus, in some variant, early in 2019.

MeriBear's avatar

It is my understanding that HRC was supposed to win. The virus was to be brought out in the third year of her term. 2019. That is the clue that this was planned long ago. The “vaccines” were not supposed to be brought out for several years later but Trump forced them to bring them out early. The cabal has been scrambling since to get back to its original plan but too many are awake and refuse their protocols, not enough have died, and too many have recovered. They are desperate but still cling to their failing plan. #WWG1WGA!

SwampFox's avatar

Ok. Opposite take here. Maybe stopping the pharma and drug companies is good. Maybe we don't need 25 drugs for restless leg, itchy skin, etc etc etc. Trillions have been spent/raised for cancer treatment and here we are still poisoning people hoping they can outlive the cancer. My mom got experimental cancer meds after 1.5 of chemo slowly killing her and she was dead within 5 months.

Tardigrade's avatar

I feel somewhat similar. We Americans are the most overmedicated people on the planet, so I don't view anything that reduces pharmaceutical availability as a necessarily Bad Thing.

Big Pharma wants to keep us sick so they can keep selling us medications to treat the symptoms whose underlying cause could be fixed with lifestyle interventions.

SwampFox's avatar

Bingo. Big Pharma is never going to cure your depression.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!!! YES, THANK YOU!!!

We in fact do NOT need 12 different Rx 'scripts for itchy skin, etc. This is stupid and crazy. Our species survived quite well for a long, long, LONG time with none of Big Pharma's latest products or smarmy commercials of people riding their bicycles, walking through sunny fields, playing on picturesque coastline.

It's all BS. Completely.

Turn off the television; go outside, breathe the fresh air. It's totally free, and you'll up your Vit D levels while you're doing it. Take back your life from the pharmaceutical companies and their idiot hirelings (your physicians.)

Jestre's avatar

Maybe. But they'll just use the old drugs

SwampFox's avatar

Ok. Most older drugs like ivermectin and HcQ were approved my a less corrupt medical system. If we had used them instead of relying on new science we wouldn't be here. We also wouldn't be here if we didn't have maniac doctors who are growing viruses in bats trying to develop new vaccines and medicines. Around and around we go!