You need to talk to more locals. I live less than 19 miles from there, and pets in this area, and people are already suffering symptoms of exposure. Even a mile from me, dead frogs and fish in the river. And in places you can see a film on the water. And we are UPstream. Air borne clouds dropped acid rain and other chemicals. For easily many miles, dead dear, fox, and coyotes. No birds left. Chickens dead. Those left stopped laying eggs. Livestock getting sick. My friend was told it was safe to go home, and didn't last an hour. His eyes were filmy and oozing, headaches, and his face puffed up. He left again. His cat is really sick. East Palestine is not an exaggeration. Here is what we KNOW of the chemicals that spread for over 50 miles.
I am your biggest fan, Mr. Gato Malo, but I don't think you understand what is to be upset about here. It is not that there was a derailment. It is not that there was a chemical spill. I got that neither is particularly rare. It is that the situation headed down a path that was the most expedient for the railway, with the endorsement & complicity of the ruling class, that was truly reckless. Please don't think unkindly of me but I do happen to have a PhD in Chemistry, and the idea of purposely voiding a rail car full of a hazardous material for an uncontrolled burn in a populated area with only cursory concern of the locals is criminal. And you're talking with a guy who had a flask of zirconium borohydride blow up in his hand. Why, next thing they'll be forcing us all to take experimental injections!
Rarely disagree with a feline. But you are way off on this one.
First, the number of actual derailments is NOT over 1000 a year. Or 2000. Or 1700. Or whatever is making the rounds on Twitter. It’s actually very low. Like a couple dozen. Actual derailments, not train ‘incidents’. You are comparing apples to oranges.
And then there is this.
Tweet from @tennesseemaga13
Account suspended immediately after tweet was posted.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT- the laws
governing Agenda 2030 land
development allow governments to
seize polluted land and move their
residents into smart cities.
"Important to note - if the land +
water around you is completely
poisoned, you don't get to opt out
of the "smart city" model coming
down the pike. Are you starting to get
the picture.
And, how come all the derailments with chemicals have happened in battleground states. Ohio. (Oh and right on the border with, wait for it, PA). Arizona. Michigan.
Interesting article here, El Gato... and I read Doomberg's article as well... I also watched Chris' vid over at PP, and read a bunch of other articles. I tend to avoid Twitter as it is just a cesspool of flail (IMO).
I am concerned that you and Doomie have swung to the "it's just fine" camp on this one. Maybe so, but if the last 3 years taught us anything, it's to seriously distrust the Narrative. And wouldn't the EPA fall under "the narrative" to some degree?
I don't trust Doomie's words: "In our experience, the EPA would not look to minimize the severity of an industrial accident of this type. Quite the opposite." I think that was once true, but in this day and age my _baseline_ is to assume all government agencies are either incompetent or compromised or both.
The idea that a "controlled burn" is somehow a better option just smells like a dead fish to me. I'm totally not an expert but that's how I see it.
Anyway, the two big failures here that I wish would get addressed are (1) that for more than 10 days, nobody really knew or cared about this (failure of MSM to take their jobs seriously) until suddenly it was a "bleeder" so lede it, and (2) where the #$% was Buttigeig in all of this?! His absence and silence for nearly 2 weeks should be ample grounds for termination
You lost me on this one, gato. I'm a huge fan, but while not wanting to get into the 'making it OK' debate, you stepped into it full-force. The many 'expert' (I hate that word!) analyses of this chemical spill accident and the absurd decision to 'detonate the vinyl chloride to prevent an explosion' point to a very different picture than you're portraying by quoting your two 'sober, serious experts'. So there's 1,000 derailments a year/3 per day. By any factor that shouldn't be OK with a functioning properly-managed and operated infrastructure. But it seems you're trying to moderate emotional reaction and play the whole thing down more than seeing this catastrophe for what it is - which is only becoming clearer as its effects play out and information becomes available.
I find your take rather blasé. When I was a kid we could drink out of the creeks and spring runs anywhere, now there are serious worries of getting sick or poisoned. At that time cancer rate was 1 in 10 now almost 1 in 2. Why? Because of the chemicals in the environment are such our bodies have never seen before.
So tell me when are those profiting from poisoning the ground water, the air and the food we eat, going to start paying the freight? They can't. To clean up Ground water to pristine conditions would break the bank.
I was raised "If you can't pay for it, don't do it". I live by it to the best of my ability. I don't use chemicals because they will eventually get into the ground water, air and/or food. I can't pay for the consequence.
But since we give a pass to Pharma with regards to gene therapy injectables, why not all of industry. Why should they pay for the *uckups they do. WEF is working on billing to average joe, letting the wealthy and industry skate.
If you trust the experts, you would have taken the vaccine.
I went through a situation at work (medical research center) where we were forced to fumigate our building with chlorine dioxide. After the fumigation, we were given the all clear to go back into the building. The 'experts' had tested the air and found no traces. Nearly everyone in the facility began immediately reporting symptoms such as, sore throat, watering eyes, nausea, shortness of breath among others. Our director sent us home.
We were then subjected to months of gaslighting (there is nothing wrong, everything is fine, you are complaining about an odor, we have tested and everything is safe). The departments that are supposed to make sure the workplace is safe refused to take our claims seriously. They kept saying we were complaining about an odor and would not acknowledge that we were reporting physical symptoms. It was like living in the twilight zone. And very eye opening.
Finally a colleague (vice chair of the dept of neurosurgery, no less) decided to get his throat looked at after continuing to feel pain whenever he went back into the building. The doctor said he had a chemical burn in his throat. A chemical burn in his throat. After this, and much complaining we finally got some mitigation efforts.
This was a center that studied head injury and cardiac arrest, we lost months of time with no research being done. Our reports of serious physical side effects from exposure in our work place to a "safe" chemical were not listened to or taken seriously by the 'experts.' So please forgive me if I am not inclined to take the claims of 'experts' seriously.
Calling upon my chemist background, I would challenge the notion that burning hazardous chemicals from a rail spill is the proper way to dispose and contain. Especially one so close to humans. Clearly, there is an effect on the local wildlife, what makes you think humans can just go about their day without concern? Ever notice these things never seem to happen in the white, liberal neighborhoods of say, Cambridge, MA? Or Brooklyn? Or Pacific Heights? In reviewing this, maybe try turning your bullshit meter back on?
Some trainwrecks are more damaging than others. Does that 1000 per year include the near continuous trainwreck in Washington DC and most state capitols?
Tuckers Show last night had an expert on who said he’d never heard of any railway burning these chemicals. They’ve basically nuked East Palestine and telling them what they see, smell and feel, isn’t happening. None of this is a laughing matter, the country is being flushed all over, every agency run by incompetent a$$holes, and we laugh as Rome burns.
If thousands of people die suddenly and the retort is "it is NOT the vaccine" then maybe we should apply same thinking to the fox and the fish. It wasn't the train crash that caused them to die, that is just a coincidence.
I think it just happens to be coincidentally and tangentially beneficial to the biden regime to have made up the "ufo shootdowns" to distract from the Nordstream sabotage bombshell.....it just happened to distract from a very bad environmental spill as well.
You need to talk to more locals. I live less than 19 miles from there, and pets in this area, and people are already suffering symptoms of exposure. Even a mile from me, dead frogs and fish in the river. And in places you can see a film on the water. And we are UPstream. Air borne clouds dropped acid rain and other chemicals. For easily many miles, dead dear, fox, and coyotes. No birds left. Chickens dead. Those left stopped laying eggs. Livestock getting sick. My friend was told it was safe to go home, and didn't last an hour. His eyes were filmy and oozing, headaches, and his face puffed up. He left again. His cat is really sick. East Palestine is not an exaggeration. Here is what we KNOW of the chemicals that spread for over 50 miles.
I am your biggest fan, Mr. Gato Malo, but I don't think you understand what is to be upset about here. It is not that there was a derailment. It is not that there was a chemical spill. I got that neither is particularly rare. It is that the situation headed down a path that was the most expedient for the railway, with the endorsement & complicity of the ruling class, that was truly reckless. Please don't think unkindly of me but I do happen to have a PhD in Chemistry, and the idea of purposely voiding a rail car full of a hazardous material for an uncontrolled burn in a populated area with only cursory concern of the locals is criminal. And you're talking with a guy who had a flask of zirconium borohydride blow up in his hand. Why, next thing they'll be forcing us all to take experimental injections!
Rarely disagree with a feline. But you are way off on this one.
First, the number of actual derailments is NOT over 1000 a year. Or 2000. Or 1700. Or whatever is making the rounds on Twitter. It’s actually very low. Like a couple dozen. Actual derailments, not train ‘incidents’. You are comparing apples to oranges.
And then there is this.
Tweet from @tennesseemaga13
Account suspended immediately after tweet was posted.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT- the laws
governing Agenda 2030 land
development allow governments to
seize polluted land and move their
residents into smart cities.
"Important to note - if the land +
water around you is completely
poisoned, you don't get to opt out
of the "smart city" model coming
down the pike. Are you starting to get
the picture.
And, how come all the derailments with chemicals have happened in battleground states. Ohio. (Oh and right on the border with, wait for it, PA). Arizona. Michigan.
Asking for a friend.
Interesting article here, El Gato... and I read Doomberg's article as well... I also watched Chris' vid over at PP, and read a bunch of other articles. I tend to avoid Twitter as it is just a cesspool of flail (IMO).
I am concerned that you and Doomie have swung to the "it's just fine" camp on this one. Maybe so, but if the last 3 years taught us anything, it's to seriously distrust the Narrative. And wouldn't the EPA fall under "the narrative" to some degree?
I don't trust Doomie's words: "In our experience, the EPA would not look to minimize the severity of an industrial accident of this type. Quite the opposite." I think that was once true, but in this day and age my _baseline_ is to assume all government agencies are either incompetent or compromised or both.
The idea that a "controlled burn" is somehow a better option just smells like a dead fish to me. I'm totally not an expert but that's how I see it.
Anyway, the two big failures here that I wish would get addressed are (1) that for more than 10 days, nobody really knew or cared about this (failure of MSM to take their jobs seriously) until suddenly it was a "bleeder" so lede it, and (2) where the #$% was Buttigeig in all of this?! His absence and silence for nearly 2 weeks should be ample grounds for termination
...if we lived in a sane world.
-sigh-
You lost me on this one, gato. I'm a huge fan, but while not wanting to get into the 'making it OK' debate, you stepped into it full-force. The many 'expert' (I hate that word!) analyses of this chemical spill accident and the absurd decision to 'detonate the vinyl chloride to prevent an explosion' point to a very different picture than you're portraying by quoting your two 'sober, serious experts'. So there's 1,000 derailments a year/3 per day. By any factor that shouldn't be OK with a functioning properly-managed and operated infrastructure. But it seems you're trying to moderate emotional reaction and play the whole thing down more than seeing this catastrophe for what it is - which is only becoming clearer as its effects play out and information becomes available.
I find your take rather blasé. When I was a kid we could drink out of the creeks and spring runs anywhere, now there are serious worries of getting sick or poisoned. At that time cancer rate was 1 in 10 now almost 1 in 2. Why? Because of the chemicals in the environment are such our bodies have never seen before.
So tell me when are those profiting from poisoning the ground water, the air and the food we eat, going to start paying the freight? They can't. To clean up Ground water to pristine conditions would break the bank.
I was raised "If you can't pay for it, don't do it". I live by it to the best of my ability. I don't use chemicals because they will eventually get into the ground water, air and/or food. I can't pay for the consequence.
But since we give a pass to Pharma with regards to gene therapy injectables, why not all of industry. Why should they pay for the *uckups they do. WEF is working on billing to average joe, letting the wealthy and industry skate.
You seem very very blasé.
1000-1200 run rate is not at all acceptable in a country that is supposed to be "first world".
Most of the derailments are likely minor, so they are not comparable.
Most of the spills are also not comparable.
Detonating vinyl chloride was a bad idea.
We don't know what the immediate, mid-term, and long-term consequences will be.
It's a big deal to the people who live in that area.
It may become a big deal to people who live along the affected waterways.
I wouldn't move to the area.
I wouldn't drink the water.
Would you?
If you trust the experts, you would have taken the vaccine.
I went through a situation at work (medical research center) where we were forced to fumigate our building with chlorine dioxide. After the fumigation, we were given the all clear to go back into the building. The 'experts' had tested the air and found no traces. Nearly everyone in the facility began immediately reporting symptoms such as, sore throat, watering eyes, nausea, shortness of breath among others. Our director sent us home.
We were then subjected to months of gaslighting (there is nothing wrong, everything is fine, you are complaining about an odor, we have tested and everything is safe). The departments that are supposed to make sure the workplace is safe refused to take our claims seriously. They kept saying we were complaining about an odor and would not acknowledge that we were reporting physical symptoms. It was like living in the twilight zone. And very eye opening.
Finally a colleague (vice chair of the dept of neurosurgery, no less) decided to get his throat looked at after continuing to feel pain whenever he went back into the building. The doctor said he had a chemical burn in his throat. A chemical burn in his throat. After this, and much complaining we finally got some mitigation efforts.
This was a center that studied head injury and cardiac arrest, we lost months of time with no research being done. Our reports of serious physical side effects from exposure in our work place to a "safe" chemical were not listened to or taken seriously by the 'experts.' So please forgive me if I am not inclined to take the claims of 'experts' seriously.
I think you're getting this one wrong, but you're still the coolest cat on the internet.
Calling upon my chemist background, I would challenge the notion that burning hazardous chemicals from a rail spill is the proper way to dispose and contain. Especially one so close to humans. Clearly, there is an effect on the local wildlife, what makes you think humans can just go about their day without concern? Ever notice these things never seem to happen in the white, liberal neighborhoods of say, Cambridge, MA? Or Brooklyn? Or Pacific Heights? In reviewing this, maybe try turning your bullshit meter back on?
Some trainwrecks are more damaging than others. Does that 1000 per year include the near continuous trainwreck in Washington DC and most state capitols?
Inquiring minds need to know :-).
Tuckers Show last night had an expert on who said he’d never heard of any railway burning these chemicals. They’ve basically nuked East Palestine and telling them what they see, smell and feel, isn’t happening. None of this is a laughing matter, the country is being flushed all over, every agency run by incompetent a$$holes, and we laugh as Rome burns.
How is putting a match to it "100% the correct disposal method"???
It creates dioxins and disburses everything widely.
The solution to pollution is dilution, eh?
Has the CDC recommended people to wear masks to protect against the fumes?
If thousands of people die suddenly and the retort is "it is NOT the vaccine" then maybe we should apply same thinking to the fox and the fish. It wasn't the train crash that caused them to die, that is just a coincidence.
I think it just happens to be coincidentally and tangentially beneficial to the biden regime to have made up the "ufo shootdowns" to distract from the Nordstream sabotage bombshell.....it just happened to distract from a very bad environmental spill as well.