The parasitical symbiotic relationship between the State and big business is not capitalism and did not arise from capitalists, but from progressives.
Murray Rothbard, in his book *The Progressive Era*, explains how this occurred in extensive detail.
In short, for decades large businesses, particularly railroads, had attempted to create private cartels that would fix prices at a level higher than would occur with open competition.
Time after time, however, one or more cartel members would surreptitiously lower prices and increase market share and the cartel would be broken.
Unfortunately for us, when the progressives rose to power, big business saw the opportunity to use the State to create a legally enforced cartel, and shortly thereafter, regulatory regimes that created barriers to entry, thus limiting competition from pesky startups.
Progressives, being just another flavor of collectivist, were more than happy to oblige as it perfectly dovetailed with their ideology of centralized control of society and economy.
Future historians may conclude, as I have, that the beginning of the end of American liberty and prosperity began in 1913, when progressives imposed the income tax and established the Federal Reserve, the two greatest engines of mass theft in the history of the world.
The most amusing thing about progressives is that everything they wail and gnash about is the inevitable, and rather obvious, result of their own ideological imperative of creating an omnipotent State.
And, speaking of mass murder by corporations, leftists of one flavor or another slaughtered some 200 million souls just in the last century or so.
I daresay that all of the "mass murders" by corporations and religions combined would constitute a good afternoon's wet work by leftists such as Mao, Stalin and Hitler.
Finally, the merger of State and corporation we currently enjoy is absolutely a form of socialism. Mussolini and Hitler were both self-declared socialists and the acronym NAZI stands for the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
The idea that fascism is not a form of socialism, and instead is some sort of "right wing" ideology is perhaps the most laughably preposterous gaslighting attempt by the left of all time, and that is saying something.
"We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state."
~ Joseph Goebbels, 1933
We can only become truly civilized when all forms of collectivism share the same stigma as national socialism.
I dont know where that idiot gets his ideas,but neither I nor any other progressive I have ever known favors centralized everything. What you dictate is not even remotely associated with our "ideology". Literally the only people I have ever seen who support anything like that are capitalists who have no problem with monopolies or civil rights violation as long as they're "private companies" and are just fine with vax mandates if the "private" company "chooses" to force it. This sounds like the usual convoluted attempt if a hardline capitalist "no regulations for the rich" libertarian trying to paint anything that contradicts total wild west economics as the "communist" devil.
Literally talking about rich assholes accumulating masses of wealth based on an anti-regulation " free market" ideology then purchasing the entire state to centralize and enforce their own power and you actually think progressives, who have been at the forefront of fighting absolute centralized control whether state or private and who have never been "in power" anywhere unless you count corporatists co-opting the term after it became popular, are
I think you have " progressives" confused with "communists" or "fascists" (as Mussolini stated, fascism is the merger of corporation and state", the direct opposite of the values espoused by literally every progressive I have ever known.
But typical libertarian capitalist, when something works, its always capitalism and when it fails, it's always socialism,even as they watch capitalism implode around them.
'I think you have " progressives" confused with "communists" or "fascists" (as Mussolini stated, fascism is the merger of corporation and state", the direct opposite of the values espoused by literally every progressive I have ever known.'
Too bad you you didn't know the progressive godfather FDR, who more than anyone else was responsible for imposing fascism in the US.
'Roosevelt himself called Mussolini “admirable” and professed that he was “deeply impressed by what he has accomplished.” The admiration was mutual. In a laudatory review of Roosevelt’s 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, “Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.…Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism.” The chief Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, repeatedly praised “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” and “the development toward an authoritarian state” based on the “demand that collective good be put before individual self-interest.'
But then, like pretty much every progressive I've ever had the misfortune to come into contact with, your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance.
"[T]otal wild west economics". Hilarious.
The perfect example of how to tell people you want centralized control of the economy while saying the opposite.
The parasitical symbiotic relationship between the State and big business is not capitalism and did not arise from capitalists, but from progressives.
Murray Rothbard, in his book *The Progressive Era*, explains how this occurred in extensive detail.
In short, for decades large businesses, particularly railroads, had attempted to create private cartels that would fix prices at a level higher than would occur with open competition.
Time after time, however, one or more cartel members would surreptitiously lower prices and increase market share and the cartel would be broken.
Unfortunately for us, when the progressives rose to power, big business saw the opportunity to use the State to create a legally enforced cartel, and shortly thereafter, regulatory regimes that created barriers to entry, thus limiting competition from pesky startups.
Progressives, being just another flavor of collectivist, were more than happy to oblige as it perfectly dovetailed with their ideology of centralized control of society and economy.
Future historians may conclude, as I have, that the beginning of the end of American liberty and prosperity began in 1913, when progressives imposed the income tax and established the Federal Reserve, the two greatest engines of mass theft in the history of the world.
The most amusing thing about progressives is that everything they wail and gnash about is the inevitable, and rather obvious, result of their own ideological imperative of creating an omnipotent State.
And, speaking of mass murder by corporations, leftists of one flavor or another slaughtered some 200 million souls just in the last century or so.
I daresay that all of the "mass murders" by corporations and religions combined would constitute a good afternoon's wet work by leftists such as Mao, Stalin and Hitler.
Finally, the merger of State and corporation we currently enjoy is absolutely a form of socialism. Mussolini and Hitler were both self-declared socialists and the acronym NAZI stands for the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
The idea that fascism is not a form of socialism, and instead is some sort of "right wing" ideology is perhaps the most laughably preposterous gaslighting attempt by the left of all time, and that is saying something.
"We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state."
~ Joseph Goebbels, 1933
We can only become truly civilized when all forms of collectivism share the same stigma as national socialism.
I dont know where that idiot gets his ideas,but neither I nor any other progressive I have ever known favors centralized everything. What you dictate is not even remotely associated with our "ideology". Literally the only people I have ever seen who support anything like that are capitalists who have no problem with monopolies or civil rights violation as long as they're "private companies" and are just fine with vax mandates if the "private" company "chooses" to force it. This sounds like the usual convoluted attempt if a hardline capitalist "no regulations for the rich" libertarian trying to paint anything that contradicts total wild west economics as the "communist" devil.
Literally talking about rich assholes accumulating masses of wealth based on an anti-regulation " free market" ideology then purchasing the entire state to centralize and enforce their own power and you actually think progressives, who have been at the forefront of fighting absolute centralized control whether state or private and who have never been "in power" anywhere unless you count corporatists co-opting the term after it became popular, are
I think you have " progressives" confused with "communists" or "fascists" (as Mussolini stated, fascism is the merger of corporation and state", the direct opposite of the values espoused by literally every progressive I have ever known.
But typical libertarian capitalist, when something works, its always capitalism and when it fails, it's always socialism,even as they watch capitalism implode around them.
'I think you have " progressives" confused with "communists" or "fascists" (as Mussolini stated, fascism is the merger of corporation and state", the direct opposite of the values espoused by literally every progressive I have ever known.'
Too bad you you didn't know the progressive godfather FDR, who more than anyone else was responsible for imposing fascism in the US.
'Roosevelt himself called Mussolini “admirable” and professed that he was “deeply impressed by what he has accomplished.” The admiration was mutual. In a laudatory review of Roosevelt’s 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, “Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.…Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism.” The chief Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, repeatedly praised “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” and “the development toward an authoritarian state” based on the “demand that collective good be put before individual self-interest.'
~ http://reason.com/archives/2007/09/28/hitler-mussolini-roosevelt
But then, like pretty much every progressive I've ever had the misfortune to come into contact with, your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance.
"[T]otal wild west economics". Hilarious.
The perfect example of how to tell people you want centralized control of the economy while saying the opposite.
How typical with your lot.