IMO, everyone involved in the CDC and FDA response over the past 18 months is dirty. The agencies have consistently downplayed the vaccine adverse events and deaths. They've lied about the vaccine efficacy. Gruber was involved in the decision to "approve" the Pfizer jab.
They continue to push the jabs, even though the CDC director admitted a month ago that they do not stop infection or transmission of the delta variant and that unvaxxed and fully vaxxed have similar viral loads. They are pushing boosters without evidence. They are pushing jabs for children who do not need them.
Gruber and Krouse could quit today and speak out.
They have chose not to...and that speaks volumes about them.
I’m delighted. That was my main motive, in the hope those with justified concerns might go looking.
The hallmark is that you looked, so you saved yourself!
The other motive was in the hope some people would realise they’ve been lied to, because once you’re there, you’ll never believe their lies ever again l!
The corruption goes back decades and isn't limited to pharmaceutical companies. Look up iatrogenics (and see how hard it is to do research on that topic).
Thousands of heart valve transplant patients , worldwide, were exposed to NMT (non-tuberculin mycobacteria) due to the clout of the German manufacturer of the heater-cooler device that was found to be the root cause. That includes at Emory which shares it's campus with the CDC.
The 2-page legalese notification letter to the patients would make any sociopathic attorney proud.
the 737 max 8 was grounded for 3 years because it's testing was not up to the safety needs, faa let it go until two civilian planes stalled to earth with full pax load.
looks to me like fda/cdc is worse at it than faa by a long ways.
design of experiment in nih seems to be an art rather than science.
This is what America has devolved to. An old senile guy and his hopelessly conflicted advisor tell people what hastily approved medicines to take while an ex barmaid convinces the country to make sacrifices to improve the weather in 100 years.
Fauci is not just some hopelessly conflicted advisor. Fauci is the closet ive seen to an agent of the devil in US politics ever and Im not even religious
By which logic, there was no reason for them not to be much more strident. A plausible, "controversial," but not truly damning excuse makes the most sense as disguising a more "positive" motive for leaving.
The FDA approval was easily worth billions in bribes concentrated on a few players.
this is about as far as you can push it without burning bridges for real.
from here, you can still work in this town. go any further, and you cannot.
there were no billions in bribes (at least not at FDA level as political contributions and ad dollars don't go there), just political climbers seeking to climb and feather nests.
Right, I don't share your supposition of there being any kind of constraint on bribe format or amount - so we can't really end up in the same place as far as a theory of intention.
i work in this industry. big pharma are dirty as hell, but not like that. the FDA is not getting bribed (except maybe in the classic revolving door of jobs).
I can’t see how this is anything but bad news or how any of it gets fixed other than through some terrible calamity - and its the same for essentially every other govt agency to include the military. So long as results don’t matter, politics will always win. Only when things go to hell will everyone realize once again that competence is critical. I just hope the bottom isn’t too far down.
Think about what has happened here and apply it to the military. I worked for DoD for almost 19 years when I really started getting disillusioned by the shift of senior officers being more concerned about the best political moves for their career than warfighting and making a difference. I left in 2002 and here we are.
Seems to me he’s just afraid the boosters will kill too many people too fast and give up the game too soon. Winter is coming, when the fear can be driven to a fever pitch and the sheep will be too distracted to notice.
Yes, I expect the op to shift off of sars-cov-2 and on to some other "target." Interesting that the op managers appear to have taken lessons learned in neutralizing Yellow Vest protests and applied them to five eyes, especially Canada, Aussie, and NZ, which appear to be the places where various social control mechanisms are being tested, and very effectively. But it all comes down to owning media. If you own media, or rather is there is no meaningful distinction between intell/surveillance and media, you can get away with literally anything, as long as the events don;t overwhelm the controlled narrative, as seen with the Kabul PR disaster. Once events achieve a certain critical mass, they can only be tamped down, not fully disappeared down Orwell's memory hole.
Kabul kerfuffle is probably an orchestrated distraction from the fascist takeover and genocide playbook. Expect more distractions to cover the increasing death toll. Cyber banking sector next.
Yes, more specifically, a distraction operation by CIA/DNC types, using paid jihadis to deflect attention from the absolute CF in Kabul and try to gain sympathy for whoever controls Biden by playing the "support our poor troops" violin. I expected Biden to be kept in play for a year or two, but now I am wondering if even that is untenable.
I suppose I shouldn't hope that either of these people speak out. They probably signed an agreement to stay quiet in exchange for generous severance. Or maybe they just know what kind of dirty tricks they would face.
granted, there is little the public can do right now but shriek, but at least some of the congress can start getting motivated here and drawing profile and raising/framing the issue.
then post midterms, maybe we can start to reign this in. and next presidential election, make regulation and regulatory agencies a priority. it's time the CDC and NIH were cut WAY down to size and their upper echelons gutted.
same with FDA and about 30 other agencies.
the next POTUS should be running through the US federal agencies with a bulldozer. half of them should not even have office space by the end of his/her first year.
Actually, I think there is a lot the public can do by taking back responsibility for our health. Realize the same problems in healthcare is also prevalent in our food regulatory system such as the very problematic dietary guidelines.
Chris Knobbe,MD has a number of videos in which he graphs the rise in numerous illnesses and how they come into being and rise in lockstep with low-cost, high profit seed oils.
Or take a look at Susan Thixton's work on the pet food side. From her latest post
"...The problem: how to dispose of 159,711,300 pounds of condemned diseased animal carcasses produced every nine months.
The solution: Pet Feed.
The FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine allows pet food (pet feed) manufacturers to source ingredients from “diseased animals and animals that have died other than by slaughter” with no disclosure to the consumer buying the pet food – this is a direct violation of federal law..."
It started with EUAs stating these vaccines were “safe and effective” when they hadn’t been tested long enough, over enough seasons. It was the camel’s nose under the tent. Those retiring sadly left their regulatory integrity for dead last fall when they signed on with that decision. When the Biden admin then said “we’ll just change the dosing schedule for a commercialized product without enough data or a proper FDA review period” there was no integrity to fall back on. The only way out for the FDA now is to admit they threw out their own standards last fall. Chances of that...?
well, we shall see if anything comes of this. For example, whether either or both go public as whistle blowers of the whole sordid agency. But, I am afraid that this is but a symptom of a rotten society. Institutions everywhere suffer from the same forms of corruption and incompetence, as they rest on the infrastructures established decades earlier. To turn this around will require something like a liberal bourgeois revolution, a principled political movement aimed at bringing reason and institutional competence back into all levels of business and government. Such a revolution starts locally and then builds on its successes in raising the quality of life for many if not most. It can't simply jump to Washington. It will come from local and state actors first and likely take a while to overtake the (or better rebuild) from the ruins of the rotten organizations of today.
FDA just banned the over the counter supplement N-Acetyl Cysteine.. a supplement known to help with respiratory problems. What better thing for the FDA to do than to ban a supplement known to help with breathing problems during the middle of viral pandemic thats all about killing people by causing breathing problems.
The FDA and the CDC are political bodies, not bastions of science and inquiry. They've been this way for as long as I can remember, and they have only gotten worse. Big shock.
IMO, everyone involved in the CDC and FDA response over the past 18 months is dirty. The agencies have consistently downplayed the vaccine adverse events and deaths. They've lied about the vaccine efficacy. Gruber was involved in the decision to "approve" the Pfizer jab.
They continue to push the jabs, even though the CDC director admitted a month ago that they do not stop infection or transmission of the delta variant and that unvaxxed and fully vaxxed have similar viral loads. They are pushing boosters without evidence. They are pushing jabs for children who do not need them.
Gruber and Krouse could quit today and speak out.
They have chose not to...and that speaks volumes about them.
They are dirty.
I would go further than “dirty”. Let’s try “criminal”.
Dr. Yeadon, you are one of the voices I listened to when I decided to abstain from the vax. Thanks.
I’m delighted. That was my main motive, in the hope those with justified concerns might go looking.
The hallmark is that you looked, so you saved yourself!
The other motive was in the hope some people would realise they’ve been lied to, because once you’re there, you’ll never believe their lies ever again l!
They are worse than dirty, they are scum.
The corruption goes back decades and isn't limited to pharmaceutical companies. Look up iatrogenics (and see how hard it is to do research on that topic).
Thousands of heart valve transplant patients , worldwide, were exposed to NMT (non-tuberculin mycobacteria) due to the clout of the German manufacturer of the heater-cooler device that was found to be the root cause. That includes at Emory which shares it's campus with the CDC.
The 2-page legalese notification letter to the patients would make any sociopathic attorney proud.
i know a bit about airplane testing.
the 737 max 8 was grounded for 3 years because it's testing was not up to the safety needs, faa let it go until two civilian planes stalled to earth with full pax load.
looks to me like fda/cdc is worse at it than faa by a long ways.
design of experiment in nih seems to be an art rather than science.
How many died on the flawed Boeings?
I’ve reviewed estimates of 150,000 killed by covid19 vaccines in USA alone so far.
the indonesia and ethiopia crashes were probably over 550 people. flaming wreckage makes headlines!
as to vaers, they are diverting to maks, desantis, and school kid abuses.
cdc is about spin...
Gee. Things just keep getting better and better, continuing to inspire confidence that our overlords are telling us the truth and
only looking out for our best interests. No one left behind - trust us.
This is what America has devolved to. An old senile guy and his hopelessly conflicted advisor tell people what hastily approved medicines to take while an ex barmaid convinces the country to make sacrifices to improve the weather in 100 years.
Fauci is not just some hopelessly conflicted advisor. Fauci is the closet ive seen to an agent of the devil in US politics ever and Im not even religious
He certainly seems to believe he’s an übermensch.
This is not thinking evilly enough.
They cited interdepartmental jealousy. Sure, it's plausible.
But what would it look like if they had said nothing at all?
These two just finished orchestrating the actual logistics of the FDA Pfizer approval which has knocked over the barrier to mandates.
Now they are retiring...
To enjoy their payoffs.
i doubt it. to say anything critical at all is incredibly rare if your plan is then to go into biz lobbying the FDA (lucrative).
gottlieb never uttered a peep. if you do, you're out for life.
by the standards here this was a very strong rebuke and mark's letter was nasty as well on the "mixed feelings."
by the standards of the FDA courtiers, this is a straight up throwing of a gauntlet.
By which logic, there was no reason for them not to be much more strident. A plausible, "controversial," but not truly damning excuse makes the most sense as disguising a more "positive" motive for leaving.
The FDA approval was easily worth billions in bribes concentrated on a few players.
i do no think that's so.
this is about as far as you can push it without burning bridges for real.
from here, you can still work in this town. go any further, and you cannot.
there were no billions in bribes (at least not at FDA level as political contributions and ad dollars don't go there), just political climbers seeking to climb and feather nests.
Right, I don't share your supposition of there being any kind of constraint on bribe format or amount - so we can't really end up in the same place as far as a theory of intention.
i work in this industry. big pharma are dirty as hell, but not like that. the FDA is not getting bribed (except maybe in the classic revolving door of jobs).
Lobbying is also a form of bribery.
Well, there are fat salaries, benefit packages, and perks that most working people never achieve. Plus, your family is safe.
I can’t see how this is anything but bad news or how any of it gets fixed other than through some terrible calamity - and its the same for essentially every other govt agency to include the military. So long as results don’t matter, politics will always win. Only when things go to hell will everyone realize once again that competence is critical. I just hope the bottom isn’t too far down.
I'm hoping that increasing power outages will lead to a political course correction.
Think about what has happened here and apply it to the military. I worked for DoD for almost 19 years when I really started getting disillusioned by the shift of senior officers being more concerned about the best political moves for their career than warfighting and making a difference. I left in 2002 and here we are.
I'm beginning to think science is purely an individualist concept.
When even Teddy at WHO is in cya mode over boosters, you know that little "something" that stinks real, real bad can't just be put out on the curb for pickup on "Bring out your dead!" night. https://thehill.com/policy/international/568988-who-chief-calling-for-two-month-halt-on-vaccine-boosters
Seems to me he’s just afraid the boosters will kill too many people too fast and give up the game too soon. Winter is coming, when the fear can be driven to a fever pitch and the sheep will be too distracted to notice.
Yes, I expect the op to shift off of sars-cov-2 and on to some other "target." Interesting that the op managers appear to have taken lessons learned in neutralizing Yellow Vest protests and applied them to five eyes, especially Canada, Aussie, and NZ, which appear to be the places where various social control mechanisms are being tested, and very effectively. But it all comes down to owning media. If you own media, or rather is there is no meaningful distinction between intell/surveillance and media, you can get away with literally anything, as long as the events don;t overwhelm the controlled narrative, as seen with the Kabul PR disaster. Once events achieve a certain critical mass, they can only be tamped down, not fully disappeared down Orwell's memory hole.
Kabul kerfuffle is probably an orchestrated distraction from the fascist takeover and genocide playbook. Expect more distractions to cover the increasing death toll. Cyber banking sector next.
Yes, more specifically, a distraction operation by CIA/DNC types, using paid jihadis to deflect attention from the absolute CF in Kabul and try to gain sympathy for whoever controls Biden by playing the "support our poor troops" violin. I expected Biden to be kept in play for a year or two, but now I am wondering if even that is untenable.
I suppose I shouldn't hope that either of these people speak out. They probably signed an agreement to stay quiet in exchange for generous severance. Or maybe they just know what kind of dirty tricks they would face.
we can hope
to speak out is to never work in this town again.
the omerta around FDA is no joke.
i would not hold my breath.
"let’s not wait. let’s make this a priority and let’s get this fixed. " How?
granted, there is little the public can do right now but shriek, but at least some of the congress can start getting motivated here and drawing profile and raising/framing the issue.
then post midterms, maybe we can start to reign this in. and next presidential election, make regulation and regulatory agencies a priority. it's time the CDC and NIH were cut WAY down to size and their upper echelons gutted.
same with FDA and about 30 other agencies.
the next POTUS should be running through the US federal agencies with a bulldozer. half of them should not even have office space by the end of his/her first year.
why do think that elections can make a difference, when we have seen that they don't even exist in a meaningful way?
Not a chance with those damn voting machines.
Good luck with that. There is no political will to reduce the size of any gov't agency.
That's because that idea has not been raised in enough minds, to contemplate it's possibility.
Needs to start small and local and work it's way up the food chain.
Yeah, I've heard the theory before.
The problem is that there are central planners, and the other problem is that people do what those central planners say.
The only answer I can see is civil disobedience, non-violent non-compliance.
Voting only empowers the central planners because it says, "you have the right to rule me."
Actually, I think there is a lot the public can do by taking back responsibility for our health. Realize the same problems in healthcare is also prevalent in our food regulatory system such as the very problematic dietary guidelines.
Chris Knobbe,MD has a number of videos in which he graphs the rise in numerous illnesses and how they come into being and rise in lockstep with low-cost, high profit seed oils.
Or take a look at Susan Thixton's work on the pet food side. From her latest post
"...The problem: how to dispose of 159,711,300 pounds of condemned diseased animal carcasses produced every nine months.
The solution: Pet Feed.
The FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine allows pet food (pet feed) manufacturers to source ingredients from “diseased animals and animals that have died other than by slaughter” with no disclosure to the consumer buying the pet food – this is a direct violation of federal law..."
It started with EUAs stating these vaccines were “safe and effective” when they hadn’t been tested long enough, over enough seasons. It was the camel’s nose under the tent. Those retiring sadly left their regulatory integrity for dead last fall when they signed on with that decision. When the Biden admin then said “we’ll just change the dosing schedule for a commercialized product without enough data or a proper FDA review period” there was no integrity to fall back on. The only way out for the FDA now is to admit they threw out their own standards last fall. Chances of that...?
On their way to better paying jobs at big pharma, wall street, consulting firms, lobbying firms etc etc etc
well, we shall see if anything comes of this. For example, whether either or both go public as whistle blowers of the whole sordid agency. But, I am afraid that this is but a symptom of a rotten society. Institutions everywhere suffer from the same forms of corruption and incompetence, as they rest on the infrastructures established decades earlier. To turn this around will require something like a liberal bourgeois revolution, a principled political movement aimed at bringing reason and institutional competence back into all levels of business and government. Such a revolution starts locally and then builds on its successes in raising the quality of life for many if not most. It can't simply jump to Washington. It will come from local and state actors first and likely take a while to overtake the (or better rebuild) from the ruins of the rotten organizations of today.
Looks like its coming from the christian right to me, the so called liberals are marching lockstep.
FDA just banned the over the counter supplement N-Acetyl Cysteine.. a supplement known to help with respiratory problems. What better thing for the FDA to do than to ban a supplement known to help with breathing problems during the middle of viral pandemic thats all about killing people by causing breathing problems.
The FDA and the CDC are political bodies, not bastions of science and inquiry. They've been this way for as long as I can remember, and they have only gotten worse. Big shock.