IMO, everyone involved in the CDC and FDA response over the past 18 months is dirty. The agencies have consistently downplayed the vaccine adverse events and deaths. They've lied about the vaccine efficacy. Gruber was involved in the decision to "approve" the Pfizer jab.
They continue to push the jabs, even though the CDC director admitted a month ago that they do not stop infection or transmission of the delta variant and that unvaxxed and fully vaxxed have similar viral loads. They are pushing boosters without evidence. They are pushing jabs for children who do not need them.
Gruber and Krouse could quit today and speak out.
They have chose not to...and that speaks volumes about them.
the 737 max 8 was grounded for 3 years because it's testing was not up to the safety needs, faa let it go until two civilian planes stalled to earth with full pax load.
looks to me like fda/cdc is worse at it than faa by a long ways.
design of experiment in nih seems to be an art rather than science.
This is what America has devolved to. An old senile guy and his hopelessly conflicted advisor tell people what hastily approved medicines to take while an ex barmaid convinces the country to make sacrifices to improve the weather in 100 years.
I can’t see how this is anything but bad news or how any of it gets fixed other than through some terrible calamity - and its the same for essentially every other govt agency to include the military. So long as results don’t matter, politics will always win. Only when things go to hell will everyone realize once again that competence is critical. I just hope the bottom isn’t too far down.
Think about what has happened here and apply it to the military. I worked for DoD for almost 19 years when I really started getting disillusioned by the shift of senior officers being more concerned about the best political moves for their career than warfighting and making a difference. I left in 2002 and here we are.
I suppose I shouldn't hope that either of these people speak out. They probably signed an agreement to stay quiet in exchange for generous severance. Or maybe they just know what kind of dirty tricks they would face.
It started with EUAs stating these vaccines were “safe and effective” when they hadn’t been tested long enough, over enough seasons. It was the camel’s nose under the tent. Those retiring sadly left their regulatory integrity for dead last fall when they signed on with that decision. When the Biden admin then said “we’ll just change the dosing schedule for a commercialized product without enough data or a proper FDA review period” there was no integrity to fall back on. The only way out for the FDA now is to admit they threw out their own standards last fall. Chances of that...?
well, we shall see if anything comes of this. For example, whether either or both go public as whistle blowers of the whole sordid agency. But, I am afraid that this is but a symptom of a rotten society. Institutions everywhere suffer from the same forms of corruption and incompetence, as they rest on the infrastructures established decades earlier. To turn this around will require something like a liberal bourgeois revolution, a principled political movement aimed at bringing reason and institutional competence back into all levels of business and government. Such a revolution starts locally and then builds on its successes in raising the quality of life for many if not most. It can't simply jump to Washington. It will come from local and state actors first and likely take a while to overtake the (or better rebuild) from the ruins of the rotten organizations of today.
FDA just banned the over the counter supplement N-Acetyl Cysteine.. a supplement known to help with respiratory problems. What better thing for the FDA to do than to ban a supplement known to help with breathing problems during the middle of viral pandemic thats all about killing people by causing breathing problems.
The FDA and the CDC are political bodies, not bastions of science and inquiry. They've been this way for as long as I can remember, and they have only gotten worse. Big shock.
IMO, everyone involved in the CDC and FDA response over the past 18 months is dirty. The agencies have consistently downplayed the vaccine adverse events and deaths. They've lied about the vaccine efficacy. Gruber was involved in the decision to "approve" the Pfizer jab.
They continue to push the jabs, even though the CDC director admitted a month ago that they do not stop infection or transmission of the delta variant and that unvaxxed and fully vaxxed have similar viral loads. They are pushing boosters without evidence. They are pushing jabs for children who do not need them.
Gruber and Krouse could quit today and speak out.
They have chose not to...and that speaks volumes about them.
They are dirty.
i know a bit about airplane testing.
the 737 max 8 was grounded for 3 years because it's testing was not up to the safety needs, faa let it go until two civilian planes stalled to earth with full pax load.
looks to me like fda/cdc is worse at it than faa by a long ways.
design of experiment in nih seems to be an art rather than science.
Gee. Things just keep getting better and better, continuing to inspire confidence that our overlords are telling us the truth and
only looking out for our best interests. No one left behind - trust us.
This is what America has devolved to. An old senile guy and his hopelessly conflicted advisor tell people what hastily approved medicines to take while an ex barmaid convinces the country to make sacrifices to improve the weather in 100 years.
This is not thinking evilly enough.
They cited interdepartmental jealousy. Sure, it's plausible.
But what would it look like if they had said nothing at all?
These two just finished orchestrating the actual logistics of the FDA Pfizer approval which has knocked over the barrier to mandates.
Now they are retiring...
To enjoy their payoffs.
I can’t see how this is anything but bad news or how any of it gets fixed other than through some terrible calamity - and its the same for essentially every other govt agency to include the military. So long as results don’t matter, politics will always win. Only when things go to hell will everyone realize once again that competence is critical. I just hope the bottom isn’t too far down.
Think about what has happened here and apply it to the military. I worked for DoD for almost 19 years when I really started getting disillusioned by the shift of senior officers being more concerned about the best political moves for their career than warfighting and making a difference. I left in 2002 and here we are.
I'm beginning to think science is purely an individualist concept.
When even Teddy at WHO is in cya mode over boosters, you know that little "something" that stinks real, real bad can't just be put out on the curb for pickup on "Bring out your dead!" night. https://thehill.com/policy/international/568988-who-chief-calling-for-two-month-halt-on-vaccine-boosters
I suppose I shouldn't hope that either of these people speak out. They probably signed an agreement to stay quiet in exchange for generous severance. Or maybe they just know what kind of dirty tricks they would face.
"let’s not wait. let’s make this a priority and let’s get this fixed. " How?
It started with EUAs stating these vaccines were “safe and effective” when they hadn’t been tested long enough, over enough seasons. It was the camel’s nose under the tent. Those retiring sadly left their regulatory integrity for dead last fall when they signed on with that decision. When the Biden admin then said “we’ll just change the dosing schedule for a commercialized product without enough data or a proper FDA review period” there was no integrity to fall back on. The only way out for the FDA now is to admit they threw out their own standards last fall. Chances of that...?
On their way to better paying jobs at big pharma, wall street, consulting firms, lobbying firms etc etc etc
well, we shall see if anything comes of this. For example, whether either or both go public as whistle blowers of the whole sordid agency. But, I am afraid that this is but a symptom of a rotten society. Institutions everywhere suffer from the same forms of corruption and incompetence, as they rest on the infrastructures established decades earlier. To turn this around will require something like a liberal bourgeois revolution, a principled political movement aimed at bringing reason and institutional competence back into all levels of business and government. Such a revolution starts locally and then builds on its successes in raising the quality of life for many if not most. It can't simply jump to Washington. It will come from local and state actors first and likely take a while to overtake the (or better rebuild) from the ruins of the rotten organizations of today.
FDA just banned the over the counter supplement N-Acetyl Cysteine.. a supplement known to help with respiratory problems. What better thing for the FDA to do than to ban a supplement known to help with breathing problems during the middle of viral pandemic thats all about killing people by causing breathing problems.
The FDA and the CDC are political bodies, not bastions of science and inquiry. They've been this way for as long as I can remember, and they have only gotten worse. Big shock.