That might be a viable solution. Massive cash rewards for exposing illegal or unethical behavior. Set the rats against each other by incentivizing them to turn on their own.
i think the governmental equivalent of piercing the corporate veil might sharpen minds nicely.
imagine how fauci or pelosi or the senate might act if they knew that their personal assets could get pulled into the pot in a suit if they were found to have acted fraudulently, illegally, or unconstitutionally.
Technically they can, but you have to go through a corrupt system to convince congress to impeach because they were acting outside their government authority/role... Once their acts were deemed illegal, they are no longer covered under any kind of immunity. That's the process with the president too, which for judges to suggest that he can have the military murder citizens is the hight of ignorance or idiocy. Any order given by anyone in an official capacity MUST BE A LAWFUL ORDER! No military or cop is allowed to follow an unlawful /illegal order, period. Which is why "just following orders" does not apply. Period. If you as a cop or military or whatever are given an unlawful order, it is YOUR DUTY to REFUSE that order and criminal proceedings will be started to the official given the order.
Yeah, I've never been fond of making a whole community responsible for paying the resultant penalties for something that can be attributed to just a few offenders.
You don't punish the whole class because one kid shot a spit ball.
That's how Waterkeepers was funded and created- poisoning America's waterways is a crime, and if you help catch the criminals you can get half of their fines...
That might be a viable solution. Massive cash rewards for exposing illegal or unethical behavior. Set the rats against each other by incentivizing them to turn on their own.
In a discussion with a pro-vaccine friend in the summer of ‘21, she told me the vaccines were safe because “they said so.” When I asked her who “they” was she rolled her eyes and said “oh Nancy, I trust the government.” That’s when I realized I had lost all trust in the US government. It is sad, but now I know. El Gato feel free to use this idea for the title of a Stack essay: Who Is They?
“TAT”.. The Almighy They”….. hate to be the “ I can top that” but my best friend told me over Christmas “ sometimes it’s best that the government lies to us”…..
George had an Axiom: I've set my own rules to live by. The first one is: 'Never believe ANYthing the government says.' George Carlin An aside: Did you know Agent Orange won't hurt you, it was just to kill vegetation?
My wokie sister was aghast when I accused her of worshipping the government. Yet every single one of her “opinions” is government approved. 100%. On every issue.
I have a friend who is an atheist, and he seemed to push back some when I stated that most if not all people have something that is the center or religion of their lives. Imagine rejecting religion only to embrace the Cathedral of Government, the orthodoxy of the mask, and the sanctity of the vaccine.
I think this a real piece of the underlying problem- most humans are followers, so, no church or God anymore? Of course worship authority or government or false science instead!
We found out how many followers there are. And following isn't necessarily a bad thing. But to follow for the sake of having to "follow" something. And you will hear that rationale. "I have to trust someone." No, you don't. You don't HAVE to do anything.
And it makes sense that there is so much defense. The sacred cows keep the Jenga™ tower up. But pull away just a few supports. and the whole thing comes tumbling down. Many observational studies on masks working, not a peep from the editorial committee. One report that says there is no evidence they work, and an unprecedented editorial appears as an introduction. It was like an a fifth gospel that wasn't so synoptic.
Seems to me that Humans are worshipful animals. It’s a feature, not a bug. The creation of systems that hijack free-will and critical thinking for the “greater good” is likely helpful when otherwise equal tribes clash.
Mr. Jimmy, you are in good company. The atheist is a religious person. He believes in atheism as though it were a new religion. According to Renan, "The day after that on which the world should no longer believe in God, atheists would be the wretchedest of all men."
Indeed. “I don’t believe that”. I can show you the emails and official documents. “I don’t believe that”. You mean, you can’t believe that, because then an entire lifetime of ideological slavery will come crashing down on you and you will be forced to admit what an outrageous fool you are.
The other day I was asked to provide the CDC direct article that stated that only 6% of all people died of Covid alone. I was like "you don't have google in your country?" And they took that to be a "xenophobic attack on the UK" So if the UK declares war on us, just know that it is my questioning why they could not google it that brought us into the fray.
My experience is: you provide sources.
They discredit the sources
Then ask what else you have...then state that you have nothing.
Rinse and repeat.
I've also encountered people that provide numerous sources which I will then read and comment on and then I am accused of sealioning, which is hounding them for more sources. But I don't have to. I already know for the most part their sources are crap. But hey, keep piling on more and more studies and it gives the perception of veracity.
For them it is all about credibility, and that means you have to be an expert and specialist of some kind. So its not hard for them to discount what you say. There whole argument is predicated on appeal to experts. What do they do when there is a sea change in the "experts narrative?" The CDC that has ruled in righteousness on Mt. Safety now states itself...that Covid is like a "Cold?!??!?"
Well, Mr. Jimmy, it may betray a naiveness, that comes from having very little exposure to "experts"? An expert is someone who articulates the needs of those in power.
The other thing they do is question every term you use. If you say, for example, illegal alien, someone will reply, what do you mean "alien" ? what do you mean "illegal". They derail any discussion because, golly, they just don't know what you are talking about. If you said, it's a nice day, they'd question what do you mean by "day" ? Define "nice" ?
My mother-in-law asked my wife why she calls Biden "Creepy Uncle Joe". Wife said, because he creeps on little girls. MIL didn't believe her, so wife called up the vids on her cell phone. Mother-in-laws reply: "Oh that's not real."
She showed her the actual video of Joe sniffing and feeling up little girls and mother-in-law still didn't believe it.
Joe & Mika every morning, Mr. Maddow every evening. We don't need your pesky digging for truth! Plus, what about "my truth" and "your truth" like the VP tells the kids?
I was just thinking this morning about my son I took to his well-baby visit when he was two months old. I wasn't much older, honestly. They had me read "information" about the shots (DPT, polio and maybe one other) they were giving him. I remember thinking "Wow, I feel sorry for those parents whose children have a reaction" but the odds seemed so small, almost incalculable really. Until I woke up next to him, dead, less than 72 hours later.
To prove that the shots killed him, I had to endure the vaccine courts for nearly eight years. My son's shot came from what used to be termed a "hot lot," meaning many of the recipients of vaccines from that lot had reactions. My son's death was never reported in VAERS, btw. But the courts determined that the use of the term "hot lot" was prejudicial and so lots that kill and maim children are no longer labeled "hot lots." I won my case. The taxpayer paid my attorney fees and awarded me a quarter of a million dollars that they graciously declined to tax.
When I think about the fact that my government has developed poison, mandated that we inject it into our most precious resources when they know the vaccines are "necessarily unsafe," made me jump through hoops while they whitewashed their actions, and then threw a measly $250,000 at me to "compensate" me for what they had done.... when I think about that, I get so f*cking angry I can't hardly stand it.
I've had a lot of time to think about it. A lot of time to be angry. I hate welcoming you to the party, but welcome to the party. It isn't right that our government abuses and maims us and then are not held to account. I'm tired of it. I'm sick of injustice - real injustice, not this ginned up, systemic-whatever garbage that's all the rage today. I would love to see people brought to account. Where do I sign up?
Breaks my heart. Every killed and injured child. Every grieving and overworked parent, trying to care for their injured children. It is a horror of unimaginable proportion once you understand the size and scope of the problem.
My daughter was injured with her first set. We never went back until she was 4 years old and my little Christian School lied to me & said she would never go to school in the State of Florida unless I gave her all the CDC reccommended shots.
God help me, I stupidly submitted. They almost killed her.
However, today she is 28, and better than many of her stunningly injected generation. Though never the same, imho, as before that onslaught of toxins & immune system activations & damage.
We mothers & fathers must tell others what has occurred & fight endlessly for the right to control what is injected into our children.
No other nation does what we do to ours. None.
It's horrific & it's for profit. Pharma sells the drugs to treat the conditions their vaccines cause.
Now with the horrible damage of the modRNA mess, their drug sales for immune disorders, cancer, heart disease , neurological conditions, infertility & more, will skyrocket.
Read Toby Rogers, Utobian, on Substack, about the enclosure of the commons...
We are their feeding trough, for eternity, if we don't wise up.
We were already welcomed to the party when we were forced to participate in it.
Sorry to hear that. I would find myself in a perpetual spiral of fury. It's hard to believe that over the past few weeks the fear porn has been all about the measles outbreaks. But go to the CDC's own website and they admit, before vaccines only 500 a year in the states died of measles. I have a suspicion that if there were no vaccines, it would be even less, adjusting for the population change since 1963.
You would think from the press measles has been getting , that one out of five people die from the measles. I think 500 people dead of measles...I'll take my chances.
I am sorry for your loss and cannot say that I understand, not having I experienced it. But, officialdom has assigned the people to the class of those to be used, abused, maimed and killed. Transparency is a waste of time, they believe they own the common man woman and child. At least their is an increased awareness. Sisterly love.
words are inadequate to express my compassion for you and for your sweet, innocent baby. i am so sorry for your loss, gg. you were robbed in the most horrific way. i hope you come to a place of power and peace.
GG: In their 'information' did they tell you that *none* of the diseases that we immunize against are actually deadly? If not, I say k*** them. Which means 'kick', of course.
No 'infectious' disease has been deadly until, you know, we stopped throwing our own feces out of our windows.
I came to the comments section to see if anyone else was actually happy that Fauci ignored that cautionary email. I suspect it included the long standing knowledge that mandates increase hesitancy. Having never been subjected to mandates, I was never hesitant. Much to my regret, though not as regretful as you must surely feel. It wasn't until the governments everywhere started pushing these shots so hard that I finally sat up and took notice. And started doing a lot of reading and listening to the censored. I will never allow my body or those of my children to be trespassed ever again. Watching vaccine coverage plummet is a silver lining. I hope it is for you as well. I can't imagine the hell you have been through. My hat is off to you for fighting for the measly justice you obtained.
There's a class action being put together in Australia at the moment that will explicitly go after the state premiers and chief health officers for their covid crimes. I really hope it gets off the ground. It's so galling watching them retire into the cushy lobbyist sunset.
Qualified immunity serves a purpose, such as where a police officer performs an arrest or a search under unusual circumstances where the courts have not yet defined clearly the permissibility or impermissibility of the actor's conduct. Eliminating qualified immunity opens the door to frivolous lawsuits. Lawyers perform an important function in reining in abuses, but they are nothing if not opportunists and will over-correct in a heartbeat if allowed to.
There is no need to eliminate qualified immunity over government censorship efforts, as it is clearly established by reams of precedent that what the government has done to censor is blatantly unconstitutional. There is not the slightest bit of nuance to it.
The immunity granted over the clot shots via the PREP act is not qualified immunity but is statutorily conferred and must be eliminated.
to my mind, that's the lesser mischief and the more easily corrected.
if police want to be safe, act within bounds and meticulously record everything. the tech is all there for cameras and audio recording. and it has been used successfully and mostly, it has really helped the police as, contrary to what many expected, they were mostly in the right and being absurdly accused. so record it and let the record show what it shows.
and let agencies collect costs from those whose suits are deemed frivolous including from the lawyers who back them. lawyers will rapidly figure out that they do not want to back losers. they just need some accountability too.
but the burden of doing it right and showing that it was done right must fall upon those who are granted extraordinary power or else they become unaccountable and dangerous.
A good start would be tort reform. We need a "loser pays" system, and if the loser is the government, we need not only cash settlements, but personal accountability. If a goverment official or officials act irresponsibly, it's too easy if the taxpayer is footing the bill. Officials need to be held personally accountable.
Which point - there will always be unfairness either way - you defended quite clearly:
"if we must choose between the mischief of public servants being unfairly accused and indicted for abuse of power or the mischief of unaccountable public officials acting badly and facing no consequence for having done so, i can see no sound case for preferring the latter."
The problem is that you see only the "sexy" cases that make the news. I've seen prisoners sue over violations of 8th Amendment rights because their food was cold. Abusive "civil rights" lawsuits are brought largely pro se by individuals with lots of time on their hands and absolutely nothing to lose) are legion. The cure of eliminating QI would be worse than the disease.
When the civil rights violation is clear, there is no immunity. Qualified immunity is not the problem. Unqualified immunity is.
This where good judges, "reasonable man" perspectives & actual consequences for frivolous lawsuits come into play.
Adams was right when he said our form of Government could only work for a moral & decent people.
That's our real issue, imho. Our Courts are corrupt, our Government is corrupt & the Sociopaths among us hold almost all the reins of power.
Until there are terrible consequences for killing Americans knowingly, (read the Adverse Events of Special Concern slide from FDA's 1st hearing on Pfizer's technology, mislabeled a "vaccine," or the 1.6 million VAERS reports,) we are in huge, huge, trouble.
Liability must return. And Government employees must not be able to profit from the Industries & Corporations they buy from or regulate.
All of CDC & FDA should be up on manslaughter charges today. As should Pfizer, Moderna & the DOD.
Soooo...The police are protected from 'frivolous lawsuites". What is in place to protect citizens from malicious prosecution.? Nothing, that's what.
Consider a certain ex-president. If the prosecutors faced jail time and fines if they lose, what are the chances they would be pursuing all these persecutions? The prosecutors and the state have NOTHING on the line as they prosecute whoever they care to prosecute. "Equal justice under the law" is a cute little fairy tale, having nothing to do with reality.
Here is a post I made recently, concerning this subject.
Yes, I'm with you on both counts. Or rather I don't hate Trump, but trust him as "far as I can throw a Bull by the tail," as my Yankee mom would say.
He is the Lockdown President & Father of the Bio-weapon mislabeled a "vaccine" as well. Think of the catastrophic harm of each. And Donald Trump's administration birthed them both.
Indeed. He had all the right people feeding him all the right information. And he did the opposite, failed massively and brags about it to this day. Pfuck him
But wait! Isn't what you said hate speech? Just messing with you. But imagine a government that gave itself the authority to censor your statement. Because that is where we're heading, but it's not Trump who is taking us there.
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.
Harry S. Truman As to trump, his INCOMPETENCE helped facilitate the 2020 Color Revolution.
You are talking about prosecutorial immunity and judicial immunity, both of which are basically absolute. You are not talking about qualified immunity which, as the modifier indicates, is not absolute. If judges and prosecutors had only qualified immunity, there would be accountability via lawsuit. As it is, misconduct by either judges or prosecutors is (in theory) addressed by disciplinary bodies of licensing entities. (Or Congress, for federal judges.) Sometimes it's effective. See, for instance, what happened to the prosecutor of the Duke lacrosse players.
Great. Millions of dollars spent, reputations ruined, but it all works out in the end, sometimes. Sorry, that doesn't do it for me.
In a relatively insignificant way, I've been on the receiving end of government largesse. In the end, I paid noting. But the wasted time, and the insult to my sense of rights is unrecoverable. And I suffered only lightly, compared to some people.
I'm not defending prosecutorial and judicial immunity. I am distinguishing them from qualified immunity. Most people have no idea of the different categories and their different effects and rationales, yet they have strong opinions about all of them.
So what your saying is... The cop doesn't know a crime had been committed but he decided to arrest anyway and he shouldn't be held accountable in such cases?
There are 900,000 employees who work for,the USA secret service (fbi, cia, deep state and god knows who else). We are no different than China, no Korea, Russia. Americans wake up, we are currently living in a police state.
Qualified immunity is a mess, but it seems to me that it is intertwined with the idea that the government can declare a state of emergency for any reason without fear of being sued or imprisoned. I am still baffled that something like the government’s response to Covid can occur and nobody is imprisoned. The entire purpose of the constitution and bill of rights would seem to have been to prevent what has been happening. Maybe I’m just older and noticing that the constitution is toothless, but it seems that society can’t hold up long term when nobody understands the rules.
If a private citizen broke the law as an employee of a corporation doing something such as committing bribery, that person would be arrested and prosecuted. Government officials and employees should not have protections that private citizens do not have.
Seems to me these people only have immunity because our justice system currently is as corrupted as our congressmen. Lack of blind justice and political favoritism is the problem.
So how do you fight a corrupt judges and DA ‘s seems to be the question we face at the moment.
I believe there's a question about a very job-specific form of immunity before the Supreme Court right now. Whatever decision is made in that case could have far-teaching implications for this topic.
Meanwhile, sign me up for anything that scares/irritates politicians and bureaucrats in general, regardless of party.
The problem is, the system is so toxic and dangerous it prevents normal people from signing up to run or serve in political office. They have a million ways to attack you, fine you, imprison you, if you don't play ball.
We need 1000s of honest Americans to stand for Election & an informed electorate to keep them there, once they get in to clean out the Swamps.
Obama Care is only one snake pit. There are 100s to face & deal with....
Sounds great but you would have to close down at least HALF of the law schools and then the half that were remaining would have to be closed down, too. We're just too damn litigious, you'd have to take aim at that as well. When can you sue the government? Can you personally sue the cop who gives you a speeding ticket if it gets thrown out of court? Can you personally sue the cop if the speeding ticket does not get thrown out of court but got you fired from your job for being late? This can go on and on and on and it's aimed at the big stuff and I get that, but it will slide down the old slippery slope and the mailman will get sued if a letter ends up in the wrong box. It's great to have government service like police, fire, ambulance, water, sewage, street, and mail - but once people start getting sued you won't find people to take the jobs. Look at the cop shortage. The only folks getting rich off this will be lawyers. One more idea might be thrown in - the government should NOT be allowed to settle on any suit brought against it but should go through the full course of appeals. Too many settlements are political, politicians playing loose with taxpayer money to get votes. There should also be a limit on damages.
I think the better way to shrink the government is getting rid of the federal income tax and instituting the VAT with NO EXEMPTIONS except for milk and dairy, meat and cheese and vegetables and toilet paper, too (let's go full circle here) Government would get reigned in quick once everybody had to pay and pay attention to spending. Of course, you have to get rid of the federal income tax. I just see a future of the mail man getting dragged into deposition for kicks and remember, getting a lawyer on a mailman salary ain't easy. Of course, as far as that goes, put a 12 percent cap on contingency fees - even better - one percent for each juror up to twelve percent for a twelve man jury. Maybe five percent for a bench trial. Alot of folks get to thinking about Gregory Peck in To Kill a Mocking Bird but lawyers are sonsofbitches round and round, never doubt that. In fact, the Congress is full of those sorry bastards.
Rock On El Gato Malo - may you a great day and a better life.
Yeah, you would definitely have to put a cap on it. As far as everything else, well it all just a mad dash to stupid. I think we both agree on that. It's not a perfect world but would be and could be - WITHOUT - lawyers. Hasta.
Instead we have a system where taxpayers are prosecuted at will by unaccountable government attorneys (see prosecutorial overreach) with their own money, which is apparently limitless in the MMT world. Then you sit before a government judge who is also paid by tax money in a courthouse paid for by tax money. So the danger of some litigious attorneys is worse than having unaccountable government employees persecute, prosecute, judge, and potentially incarcerate you with your own money? Not sure I see the alternative as something to worry about.
If frivolous suits are the concern, there are remedies for that as well.
No matter the government your dealing with, or whatever economic policy it follows, the government will ALWAYS have more resources than its citizens. Tax everybody or tax no one. But don't sue the mailman for an honest harmless mistake and that's where we would be headed. It's not some lawyers are litigious, it's all lawyers are litigious, that's how they make their money. Some are better at it than others. But I hear you on the prosecutorial overreach but at this point it has been more than balanced out by bail reform and there's been a helluva lot damage from that have no doubt. But who knows? I damn sure don't.
How about this: yes, you can sue the cop who gave you a ticket that made you late which made you lose your job. But the burden of proof is on you, the accuser, as it always is, and in the brave new world, loser pays. So you might just end up paying for that cop's lawyer, if your case isn't airtight.
Or you might end up with an activist judge with an activist lawyer shopping for litigants who got speeding tickets who also got fired for reasons altogether different. That's where this would lead. Again, the mail man would get sued for a lost letter, wrong box delivery. And what about a fat fireman that couldn't rescue your pet cat? This would go on and on and on, and nothing would get done and things would fall apart and get more expensive. The speeding ticket would be more expensive, mail delivery would be more expensive, every government service you can think of would become more expensive just to cover legal liability and therefore, your taxes would rise. Just like your auto-insurance. You don't want to drag lawyers into every nook and cranny, those cold blooded money grubbin' bastards breed like cockroaches. They are no different than IRS agents in that regard. Don't trust lawyers. Don't trust the IRS and always know - Our Crown Prince of Common Sense - James Ehrlichman Reinhard-Koenig The FIrst - is on YOUR side - and so, please, on November 5th, when you step into that booth for our moment of national truth, strike a write-in vote for that wonderful man - not for President - but for King. Go King Jim Go!
Corporate overlords or political, they are both equally immune to the law and to the costs of their actions.
Why not extend the following:
"those who purport to serve we the people must be accountable to we the people"
to corporations such as Vanguard or Blackrock? Their actions often have by far a greater impact on the daily lives of people than any politicians, yet their power is somehow seen as different just becaise of a little semantic magic in the phrase "private property".
Why should "private property" give you the right to destroy the livelyhoods and lives of uncountable millions? If I use my "private property" to destroy my neighbour's yard, am I not then prosecuted?
But if I'm a corporation causing an oil spill, a gas leak, a derailed train poisoning the aquifer, censoring information and communcation or any of thousands upon thousands of crimes committed by private corporations against the people?
Suddenly, it's different from when a politician and a state does it, despite the actions and the results being the same.
As to over litigious lawyers, this is another case where they don’t have skin in the game should they lose. Shift to the Common Law system where loser pays the winner’s legal bills and you’d see a lot fewer frivolous or vexatious law suits. And the same thing applies to government lawyers.
And whistleblowers should not go to jail
government whistleblowers should get a percentage of the award/settlement.
That might be a viable solution. Massive cash rewards for exposing illegal or unethical behavior. Set the rats against each other by incentivizing them to turn on their own.
You mean like with private money?
i think the governmental equivalent of piercing the corporate veil might sharpen minds nicely.
imagine how fauci or pelosi or the senate might act if they knew that their personal assets could get pulled into the pot in a suit if they were found to have acted fraudulently, illegally, or unconstitutionally.
Oh my wouldn't this be great. It'd be like having one of those dreams you won the lottery and then waking up to find out its true!
That would make quite a dent in federal debt!
Technically they can, but you have to go through a corrupt system to convince congress to impeach because they were acting outside their government authority/role... Once their acts were deemed illegal, they are no longer covered under any kind of immunity. That's the process with the president too, which for judges to suggest that he can have the military murder citizens is the hight of ignorance or idiocy. Any order given by anyone in an official capacity MUST BE A LAWFUL ORDER! No military or cop is allowed to follow an unlawful /illegal order, period. Which is why "just following orders" does not apply. Period. If you as a cop or military or whatever are given an unlawful order, it is YOUR DUTY to REFUSE that order and criminal proceedings will be started to the official given the order.
this should definitely happen.
If the government mandates an action, the government should pay.
Perhaps the government shouldn't be advocating for things they'd make taxpayers pay for?
See, there's the rub: We the Little People _are_ "the government" when we're talking about spending.
Agree
Yeah, I've never been fond of making a whole community responsible for paying the resultant penalties for something that can be attributed to just a few offenders.
You don't punish the whole class because one kid shot a spit ball.
Huh. This could open up a new avenue of malpractice insurance. Attorneys should be advocating for this!
I like this! Added it to my platform:
https://patrick.net/post/1303173/2017-02-19-patrick-s-platform
That's how Waterkeepers was funded and created- poisoning America's waterways is a crime, and if you help catch the criminals you can get half of their fines...
It IS a viable option!
That might be a viable solution. Massive cash rewards for exposing illegal or unethical behavior. Set the rats against each other by incentivizing them to turn on their own.
Or commit clintonside.
I believe the correct phrase is "Arkancide."
'Cause poor Arkansas needs something else to be ashamed of?
Hahaha
Nice pic Ryan!
That ugly mug...only my dog and cats like it...when it's meal time!...lol
Nah! They must tip you well... good looking servers always score that way. :)
Thx...ain't as good as I once was...but good once as I ever was...:])
Or commit suicide a few days after blowing the whistle.
The greatest trick ever played has been to change the meaning of transparency into traitor.
The American public loves the government so much now The Truth would be one part shocking and one part unsettling ....so much so; it would be ignored.
exactly this.
we've become so craven and dependent and deferential that we literally round on the heroes who dare speak truth to the abuse of power.
these people should have statues, not cells.
In a discussion with a pro-vaccine friend in the summer of ‘21, she told me the vaccines were safe because “they said so.” When I asked her who “they” was she rolled her eyes and said “oh Nancy, I trust the government.” That’s when I realized I had lost all trust in the US government. It is sad, but now I know. El Gato feel free to use this idea for the title of a Stack essay: Who Is They?
Ooh that is good.
“TAT”.. The Almighy They”….. hate to be the “ I can top that” but my best friend told me over Christmas “ sometimes it’s best that the government lies to us”…..
Four letters, starts with J...
Red Sea pedestrians
George had an Axiom: I've set my own rules to live by. The first one is: 'Never believe ANYthing the government says.' George Carlin An aside: Did you know Agent Orange won't hurt you, it was just to kill vegetation?
My wokie sister was aghast when I accused her of worshipping the government. Yet every single one of her “opinions” is government approved. 100%. On every issue.
I have a friend who is an atheist, and he seemed to push back some when I stated that most if not all people have something that is the center or religion of their lives. Imagine rejecting religion only to embrace the Cathedral of Government, the orthodoxy of the mask, and the sanctity of the vaccine.
I think this a real piece of the underlying problem- most humans are followers, so, no church or God anymore? Of course worship authority or government or false science instead!
And boy, don't dare criticize their Sacred Cow!
We found out how many followers there are. And following isn't necessarily a bad thing. But to follow for the sake of having to "follow" something. And you will hear that rationale. "I have to trust someone." No, you don't. You don't HAVE to do anything.
And it makes sense that there is so much defense. The sacred cows keep the Jenga™ tower up. But pull away just a few supports. and the whole thing comes tumbling down. Many observational studies on masks working, not a peep from the editorial committee. One report that says there is no evidence they work, and an unprecedented editorial appears as an introduction. It was like an a fifth gospel that wasn't so synoptic.
Seems to me that Humans are worshipful animals. It’s a feature, not a bug. The creation of systems that hijack free-will and critical thinking for the “greater good” is likely helpful when otherwise equal tribes clash.
Mr. Jimmy, you are in good company. The atheist is a religious person. He believes in atheism as though it were a new religion. According to Renan, "The day after that on which the world should no longer believe in God, atheists would be the wretchedest of all men."
Eric Hoffer
“- Mickey Fitzpatrick: Why are you getting so upset Dad? You don't even believe in God.
- Mr. Fitzpatrick: That doesn't mean I'm going to stop being a good Catholic.”
EDWARD BURNS - Mickey Fitzpatrick JOHN MAHONEY - Mr. Fitzpatrick From The movie "She's The One."
And the "sacrement of abortion"-Limbaugh
Isn't it bizarre that even when provided unassailable proof they still find a way to discount what you point out?!
The love of government is conditioning for love of gulags.
Indeed. “I don’t believe that”. I can show you the emails and official documents. “I don’t believe that”. You mean, you can’t believe that, because then an entire lifetime of ideological slavery will come crashing down on you and you will be forced to admit what an outrageous fool you are.
Source?!...lol...that's the reaction I get....with a roll of the eyes...like I'm the low information voter!
I haven’t even been asked for a source 😜
The other day I was asked to provide the CDC direct article that stated that only 6% of all people died of Covid alone. I was like "you don't have google in your country?" And they took that to be a "xenophobic attack on the UK" So if the UK declares war on us, just know that it is my questioning why they could not google it that brought us into the fray.
My experience is: you provide sources.
They discredit the sources
Then ask what else you have...then state that you have nothing.
Rinse and repeat.
I've also encountered people that provide numerous sources which I will then read and comment on and then I am accused of sealioning, which is hounding them for more sources. But I don't have to. I already know for the most part their sources are crap. But hey, keep piling on more and more studies and it gives the perception of veracity.
It is foolish to be convinced without evidence, but it is equally foolish to refuse to be convinced by real evidence.
Upton Sinclair An accurate, but sad commentary on the times we live in.
I truly believe that most people know deep down how insane their decisions were. They simply can’t confront that reality
All things serve the narrative.
~ Anonymous.
Literally, my friend's response. I call it the "Exploding Head" moment as in: you can't accept this fact because your head would explode.
For them it is all about credibility, and that means you have to be an expert and specialist of some kind. So its not hard for them to discount what you say. There whole argument is predicated on appeal to experts. What do they do when there is a sea change in the "experts narrative?" The CDC that has ruled in righteousness on Mt. Safety now states itself...that Covid is like a "Cold?!??!?"
Well, Mr. Jimmy, it may betray a naiveness, that comes from having very little exposure to "experts"? An expert is someone who articulates the needs of those in power.
Henry A. Kissinger
Expert, textpert, choking smokers
Don't you think the joker laughs at you?
(Ho ho ho, hee hee hee, ha ha ha)
See how they smile like pigs in a sty
See how they snied
I'm cryin' -The Beatles "I Am The Walrus."
Perhaps an end result of the dumbing down and the indoctrination? No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot
Mark Twain
"You want the truth, you can't handle the truth!" ~Jessup
The other thing they do is question every term you use. If you say, for example, illegal alien, someone will reply, what do you mean "alien" ? what do you mean "illegal". They derail any discussion because, golly, they just don't know what you are talking about. If you said, it's a nice day, they'd question what do you mean by "day" ? Define "nice" ?
My mother-in-law asked my wife why she calls Biden "Creepy Uncle Joe". Wife said, because he creeps on little girls. MIL didn't believe her, so wife called up the vids on her cell phone. Mother-in-laws reply: "Oh that's not real."
She showed her the actual video of Joe sniffing and feeling up little girls and mother-in-law still didn't believe it.
We all have one of those in the family or a friend. I have a few.
Joe & Mika every morning, Mr. Maddow every evening. We don't need your pesky digging for truth! Plus, what about "my truth" and "your truth" like the VP tells the kids?
Perfect example. They're batshit crazy....and full of hate
I was just thinking this morning about my son I took to his well-baby visit when he was two months old. I wasn't much older, honestly. They had me read "information" about the shots (DPT, polio and maybe one other) they were giving him. I remember thinking "Wow, I feel sorry for those parents whose children have a reaction" but the odds seemed so small, almost incalculable really. Until I woke up next to him, dead, less than 72 hours later.
To prove that the shots killed him, I had to endure the vaccine courts for nearly eight years. My son's shot came from what used to be termed a "hot lot," meaning many of the recipients of vaccines from that lot had reactions. My son's death was never reported in VAERS, btw. But the courts determined that the use of the term "hot lot" was prejudicial and so lots that kill and maim children are no longer labeled "hot lots." I won my case. The taxpayer paid my attorney fees and awarded me a quarter of a million dollars that they graciously declined to tax.
When I think about the fact that my government has developed poison, mandated that we inject it into our most precious resources when they know the vaccines are "necessarily unsafe," made me jump through hoops while they whitewashed their actions, and then threw a measly $250,000 at me to "compensate" me for what they had done.... when I think about that, I get so f*cking angry I can't hardly stand it.
I've had a lot of time to think about it. A lot of time to be angry. I hate welcoming you to the party, but welcome to the party. It isn't right that our government abuses and maims us and then are not held to account. I'm tired of it. I'm sick of injustice - real injustice, not this ginned up, systemic-whatever garbage that's all the rage today. I would love to see people brought to account. Where do I sign up?
Breaks my heart. Every killed and injured child. Every grieving and overworked parent, trying to care for their injured children. It is a horror of unimaginable proportion once you understand the size and scope of the problem.
My daughter was injured with her first set. We never went back until she was 4 years old and my little Christian School lied to me & said she would never go to school in the State of Florida unless I gave her all the CDC reccommended shots.
God help me, I stupidly submitted. They almost killed her.
However, today she is 28, and better than many of her stunningly injected generation. Though never the same, imho, as before that onslaught of toxins & immune system activations & damage.
We mothers & fathers must tell others what has occurred & fight endlessly for the right to control what is injected into our children.
No other nation does what we do to ours. None.
It's horrific & it's for profit. Pharma sells the drugs to treat the conditions their vaccines cause.
Now with the horrible damage of the modRNA mess, their drug sales for immune disorders, cancer, heart disease , neurological conditions, infertility & more, will skyrocket.
Read Toby Rogers, Utobian, on Substack, about the enclosure of the commons...
We are their feeding trough, for eternity, if we don't wise up.
No words. So very sorry for your immense loss and horrific experience.
What a terrible and sad story. I'm so sorry 💔
We were already welcomed to the party when we were forced to participate in it.
Sorry to hear that. I would find myself in a perpetual spiral of fury. It's hard to believe that over the past few weeks the fear porn has been all about the measles outbreaks. But go to the CDC's own website and they admit, before vaccines only 500 a year in the states died of measles. I have a suspicion that if there were no vaccines, it would be even less, adjusting for the population change since 1963.
You would think from the press measles has been getting , that one out of five people die from the measles. I think 500 people dead of measles...I'll take my chances.
I’m so sorry GG, one mom to another. 💕
I am sorry for your loss and cannot say that I understand, not having I experienced it. But, officialdom has assigned the people to the class of those to be used, abused, maimed and killed. Transparency is a waste of time, they believe they own the common man woman and child. At least their is an increased awareness. Sisterly love.
words are inadequate to express my compassion for you and for your sweet, innocent baby. i am so sorry for your loss, gg. you were robbed in the most horrific way. i hope you come to a place of power and peace.
GG: In their 'information' did they tell you that *none* of the diseases that we immunize against are actually deadly? If not, I say k*** them. Which means 'kick', of course.
No 'infectious' disease has been deadly until, you know, we stopped throwing our own feces out of our windows.
That's positively awful. I'm so sorry for your loss.
I came to the comments section to see if anyone else was actually happy that Fauci ignored that cautionary email. I suspect it included the long standing knowledge that mandates increase hesitancy. Having never been subjected to mandates, I was never hesitant. Much to my regret, though not as regretful as you must surely feel. It wasn't until the governments everywhere started pushing these shots so hard that I finally sat up and took notice. And started doing a lot of reading and listening to the censored. I will never allow my body or those of my children to be trespassed ever again. Watching vaccine coverage plummet is a silver lining. I hope it is for you as well. I can't imagine the hell you have been through. My hat is off to you for fighting for the measly justice you obtained.
There's a class action being put together in Australia at the moment that will explicitly go after the state premiers and chief health officers for their covid crimes. I really hope it gets off the ground. It's so galling watching them retire into the cushy lobbyist sunset.
https://julesonthebeach.substack.com/p/the-covid-lawsuit-australia-has-to
Qualified immunity serves a purpose, such as where a police officer performs an arrest or a search under unusual circumstances where the courts have not yet defined clearly the permissibility or impermissibility of the actor's conduct. Eliminating qualified immunity opens the door to frivolous lawsuits. Lawyers perform an important function in reining in abuses, but they are nothing if not opportunists and will over-correct in a heartbeat if allowed to.
There is no need to eliminate qualified immunity over government censorship efforts, as it is clearly established by reams of precedent that what the government has done to censor is blatantly unconstitutional. There is not the slightest bit of nuance to it.
The immunity granted over the clot shots via the PREP act is not qualified immunity but is statutorily conferred and must be eliminated.
to my mind, that's the lesser mischief and the more easily corrected.
if police want to be safe, act within bounds and meticulously record everything. the tech is all there for cameras and audio recording. and it has been used successfully and mostly, it has really helped the police as, contrary to what many expected, they were mostly in the right and being absurdly accused. so record it and let the record show what it shows.
and let agencies collect costs from those whose suits are deemed frivolous including from the lawyers who back them. lawyers will rapidly figure out that they do not want to back losers. they just need some accountability too.
but the burden of doing it right and showing that it was done right must fall upon those who are granted extraordinary power or else they become unaccountable and dangerous.
A good start would be tort reform. We need a "loser pays" system, and if the loser is the government, we need not only cash settlements, but personal accountability. If a goverment official or officials act irresponsibly, it's too easy if the taxpayer is footing the bill. Officials need to be held personally accountable.
"We need a "loser pays" system"
Endorsed
Which point - there will always be unfairness either way - you defended quite clearly:
"if we must choose between the mischief of public servants being unfairly accused and indicted for abuse of power or the mischief of unaccountable public officials acting badly and facing no consequence for having done so, i can see no sound case for preferring the latter."
The problem is that you see only the "sexy" cases that make the news. I've seen prisoners sue over violations of 8th Amendment rights because their food was cold. Abusive "civil rights" lawsuits are brought largely pro se by individuals with lots of time on their hands and absolutely nothing to lose) are legion. The cure of eliminating QI would be worse than the disease.
When the civil rights violation is clear, there is no immunity. Qualified immunity is not the problem. Unqualified immunity is.
This where good judges, "reasonable man" perspectives & actual consequences for frivolous lawsuits come into play.
Adams was right when he said our form of Government could only work for a moral & decent people.
That's our real issue, imho. Our Courts are corrupt, our Government is corrupt & the Sociopaths among us hold almost all the reins of power.
Until there are terrible consequences for killing Americans knowingly, (read the Adverse Events of Special Concern slide from FDA's 1st hearing on Pfizer's technology, mislabeled a "vaccine," or the 1.6 million VAERS reports,) we are in huge, huge, trouble.
Liability must return. And Government employees must not be able to profit from the Industries & Corporations they buy from or regulate.
All of CDC & FDA should be up on manslaughter charges today. As should Pfizer, Moderna & the DOD.
Soooo...The police are protected from 'frivolous lawsuites". What is in place to protect citizens from malicious prosecution.? Nothing, that's what.
Consider a certain ex-president. If the prosecutors faced jail time and fines if they lose, what are the chances they would be pursuing all these persecutions? The prosecutors and the state have NOTHING on the line as they prosecute whoever they care to prosecute. "Equal justice under the law" is a cute little fairy tale, having nothing to do with reality.
Here is a post I made recently, concerning this subject.
https://sezwhom.substack.com/p/who-judges-the-judges
I hate Trump. But all guns blazing against him and nothing whatsoever for the real criminals.
Disgraceful. I say investigate ALL of DC as ferociously as they have investigated Trump. That should put at least 80% in jail. Works for me
Yes, I'm with you on both counts. Or rather I don't hate Trump, but trust him as "far as I can throw a Bull by the tail," as my Yankee mom would say.
He is the Lockdown President & Father of the Bio-weapon mislabeled a "vaccine" as well. Think of the catastrophic harm of each. And Donald Trump's administration birthed them both.
Indeed. He had all the right people feeding him all the right information. And he did the opposite, failed massively and brags about it to this day. Pfuck him
We cannot hate those who we despise.
Eric Hoffer Either that fellow is "in on it" or he's a complete IMBICILE?
I can't argue with that logic!
But wait! Isn't what you said hate speech? Just messing with you. But imagine a government that gave itself the authority to censor your statement. Because that is where we're heading, but it's not Trump who is taking us there.
My middle name is Hate. Drinking Haterade all day long….
Haterade! Dude that is awesome!...:)
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.
Harry S. Truman As to trump, his INCOMPETENCE helped facilitate the 2020 Color Revolution.
You are talking about prosecutorial immunity and judicial immunity, both of which are basically absolute. You are not talking about qualified immunity which, as the modifier indicates, is not absolute. If judges and prosecutors had only qualified immunity, there would be accountability via lawsuit. As it is, misconduct by either judges or prosecutors is (in theory) addressed by disciplinary bodies of licensing entities. (Or Congress, for federal judges.) Sometimes it's effective. See, for instance, what happened to the prosecutor of the Duke lacrosse players.
I know he was disbarred, but how in the world were the lacrosse players made whole? And how much of that came out of his skin?
Great. Millions of dollars spent, reputations ruined, but it all works out in the end, sometimes. Sorry, that doesn't do it for me.
In a relatively insignificant way, I've been on the receiving end of government largesse. In the end, I paid noting. But the wasted time, and the insult to my sense of rights is unrecoverable. And I suffered only lightly, compared to some people.
I'm not defending prosecutorial and judicial immunity. I am distinguishing them from qualified immunity. Most people have no idea of the different categories and their different effects and rationales, yet they have strong opinions about all of them.
So what your saying is... The cop doesn't know a crime had been committed but he decided to arrest anyway and he shouldn't be held accountable in such cases?
No, that's not what I am saying at all. An arrest without probable cause is a clear cut civil rights violation. QI would not apply.
They do it all the time without any meaningful recourse.
The most common cases are "Contempt of Cop" this one is usually related to "the process is the punishment"
There is also "I dunno, let the judge figure out"
There are 900,000 employees who work for,the USA secret service (fbi, cia, deep state and god knows who else). We are no different than China, no Korea, Russia. Americans wake up, we are currently living in a police state.
Yeah but the police state has all the correct opinions so it’s ok 😂😂😂😂
Qualified immunity is a mess, but it seems to me that it is intertwined with the idea that the government can declare a state of emergency for any reason without fear of being sued or imprisoned. I am still baffled that something like the government’s response to Covid can occur and nobody is imprisoned. The entire purpose of the constitution and bill of rights would seem to have been to prevent what has been happening. Maybe I’m just older and noticing that the constitution is toothless, but it seems that society can’t hold up long term when nobody understands the rules.
Milei the Kitty has my vote!
https://youtu.be/OgahqQVh40o?si=38lRC-ptAe4izowY&t=8
If a private citizen broke the law as an employee of a corporation doing something such as committing bribery, that person would be arrested and prosecuted. Government officials and employees should not have protections that private citizens do not have.
"perches of power should be precarious, not privileged"
Love me some alliteration.
Seems to me these people only have immunity because our justice system currently is as corrupted as our congressmen. Lack of blind justice and political favoritism is the problem.
So how do you fight a corrupt judges and DA ‘s seems to be the question we face at the moment.
I believe there's a question about a very job-specific form of immunity before the Supreme Court right now. Whatever decision is made in that case could have far-teaching implications for this topic.
Meanwhile, sign me up for anything that scares/irritates politicians and bureaucrats in general, regardless of party.
The problem is, the system is so toxic and dangerous it prevents normal people from signing up to run or serve in political office. They have a million ways to attack you, fine you, imprison you, if you don't play ball.
We need 1000s of honest Americans to stand for Election & an informed electorate to keep them there, once they get in to clean out the Swamps.
Obama Care is only one snake pit. There are 100s to face & deal with....
Sounds great but you would have to close down at least HALF of the law schools and then the half that were remaining would have to be closed down, too. We're just too damn litigious, you'd have to take aim at that as well. When can you sue the government? Can you personally sue the cop who gives you a speeding ticket if it gets thrown out of court? Can you personally sue the cop if the speeding ticket does not get thrown out of court but got you fired from your job for being late? This can go on and on and on and it's aimed at the big stuff and I get that, but it will slide down the old slippery slope and the mailman will get sued if a letter ends up in the wrong box. It's great to have government service like police, fire, ambulance, water, sewage, street, and mail - but once people start getting sued you won't find people to take the jobs. Look at the cop shortage. The only folks getting rich off this will be lawyers. One more idea might be thrown in - the government should NOT be allowed to settle on any suit brought against it but should go through the full course of appeals. Too many settlements are political, politicians playing loose with taxpayer money to get votes. There should also be a limit on damages.
or, we could view that as a feature and let it shrink the government by about 90%.
¡Afuera!
I think the better way to shrink the government is getting rid of the federal income tax and instituting the VAT with NO EXEMPTIONS except for milk and dairy, meat and cheese and vegetables and toilet paper, too (let's go full circle here) Government would get reigned in quick once everybody had to pay and pay attention to spending. Of course, you have to get rid of the federal income tax. I just see a future of the mail man getting dragged into deposition for kicks and remember, getting a lawyer on a mailman salary ain't easy. Of course, as far as that goes, put a 12 percent cap on contingency fees - even better - one percent for each juror up to twelve percent for a twelve man jury. Maybe five percent for a bench trial. Alot of folks get to thinking about Gregory Peck in To Kill a Mocking Bird but lawyers are sonsofbitches round and round, never doubt that. In fact, the Congress is full of those sorry bastards.
Rock On El Gato Malo - may you a great day and a better life.
i suspect that is politically impossible as well as economically unfeasible.
the VAT would just keep cranking up and deficits and debt would just blow out.
but none of that would rein in regulation like the EPA or dept of education or DEI or censorship from the FBI/CIA.
those things take very little money to run but do a lot fo damage.
Yeah, you would definitely have to put a cap on it. As far as everything else, well it all just a mad dash to stupid. I think we both agree on that. It's not a perfect world but would be and could be - WITHOUT - lawyers. Hasta.
Wish I could ‘like’ this in multiples of 1000!
Instead we have a system where taxpayers are prosecuted at will by unaccountable government attorneys (see prosecutorial overreach) with their own money, which is apparently limitless in the MMT world. Then you sit before a government judge who is also paid by tax money in a courthouse paid for by tax money. So the danger of some litigious attorneys is worse than having unaccountable government employees persecute, prosecute, judge, and potentially incarcerate you with your own money? Not sure I see the alternative as something to worry about.
If frivolous suits are the concern, there are remedies for that as well.
No matter the government your dealing with, or whatever economic policy it follows, the government will ALWAYS have more resources than its citizens. Tax everybody or tax no one. But don't sue the mailman for an honest harmless mistake and that's where we would be headed. It's not some lawyers are litigious, it's all lawyers are litigious, that's how they make their money. Some are better at it than others. But I hear you on the prosecutorial overreach but at this point it has been more than balanced out by bail reform and there's been a helluva lot damage from that have no doubt. But who knows? I damn sure don't.
How about this: yes, you can sue the cop who gave you a ticket that made you late which made you lose your job. But the burden of proof is on you, the accuser, as it always is, and in the brave new world, loser pays. So you might just end up paying for that cop's lawyer, if your case isn't airtight.
Or you might end up with an activist judge with an activist lawyer shopping for litigants who got speeding tickets who also got fired for reasons altogether different. That's where this would lead. Again, the mail man would get sued for a lost letter, wrong box delivery. And what about a fat fireman that couldn't rescue your pet cat? This would go on and on and on, and nothing would get done and things would fall apart and get more expensive. The speeding ticket would be more expensive, mail delivery would be more expensive, every government service you can think of would become more expensive just to cover legal liability and therefore, your taxes would rise. Just like your auto-insurance. You don't want to drag lawyers into every nook and cranny, those cold blooded money grubbin' bastards breed like cockroaches. They are no different than IRS agents in that regard. Don't trust lawyers. Don't trust the IRS and always know - Our Crown Prince of Common Sense - James Ehrlichman Reinhard-Koenig The FIrst - is on YOUR side - and so, please, on November 5th, when you step into that booth for our moment of national truth, strike a write-in vote for that wonderful man - not for President - but for King. Go King Jim Go!
Corporate overlords or political, they are both equally immune to the law and to the costs of their actions.
Why not extend the following:
"those who purport to serve we the people must be accountable to we the people"
to corporations such as Vanguard or Blackrock? Their actions often have by far a greater impact on the daily lives of people than any politicians, yet their power is somehow seen as different just becaise of a little semantic magic in the phrase "private property".
Why should "private property" give you the right to destroy the livelyhoods and lives of uncountable millions? If I use my "private property" to destroy my neighbour's yard, am I not then prosecuted?
But if I'm a corporation causing an oil spill, a gas leak, a derailed train poisoning the aquifer, censoring information and communcation or any of thousands upon thousands of crimes committed by private corporations against the people?
Suddenly, it's different from when a politician and a state does it, despite the actions and the results being the same.
Indeed. ‘We The People’ have no standing in legal terms. Isn’t that ‘funny?’
Great article.
As to over litigious lawyers, this is another case where they don’t have skin in the game should they lose. Shift to the Common Law system where loser pays the winner’s legal bills and you’d see a lot fewer frivolous or vexatious law suits. And the same thing applies to government lawyers.