There is also a third form of immunity: partial natural acquired immunity from being exposed to *other* coronaviruses. There was an interesting op-ed by Dr. Scott Atlas this morning talking about that and the fallacy of focusing on antibody levels, among many, many, many other things. I'll link to it if I can if you haven't seen it: https://stanfordreview.org/scott-atlas-the-last-word/. Also, I love the GIF. It's purr-fect.
This has been obvious since last July, but the "experts" never brought it up.
In a study by Grifoni et al.1, reactivity was detected in 50% of donor blood samples obtained in the USA between 2015 and 2018, before SARS-CoV-2 appeared in the human population. T cell reactivity was highest against proteins other than the coronavirus spike protein, but T cell reactivity was also detected against spike. The SARS-CoV-2 T cell reactivity was mostly associated with CD4+ T cells, with a smaller contribution by CD8+ T cells1. Similarly, in a study of blood donors in the Netherlands, Weiskopf et al.2 detected CD4+ T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 spike peptides in 1 of 10 unexposed subjects and against SARS-CoV-2 non-spike peptides in 2 of 10 unexposed subjects. CD8+ T cell reactivity was observed in 1 of 10 unexposed donors. In a third study, from Germany, Braun et al.3 reported positive T cell responses against spike peptides in 34% of SARS-CoV-2 seronegative healthy donors. Finally, a study of individuals in Singapore, by Le Bert et al.4, reported T cell responses to nucleocapsid protein nsp7 or nsp13 in 50% of subjects with no history of SARS, COVID-19, or contact with patients with SARS or COVID-19. A study by Meckiff using samples from the UK also detected reactivity in unexposed subjects5. Taken together, five studies report evidence of pre-existing T cells that recognize SARS-CoV-2 in a significant fraction of people from diverse geographical locations.
Speaking of T cells, is it possible for one’s T cells to mount an effective defense in an active case to the extent that an individual post-infection shows no antibodies?
Perhaps there is some tide turning. Members of Sage in Britain are starting to come forward and admit to their dirty tactics. According to a Telegraph headline, "Use of fear to control behaviour in Covid crisis was ‘totalitarian’, admit scientists."
I couldn't read the article because I've run through my free articles for the month, but someone else posted excerpts:
- "There were discussions about fear being needed to encourage compliance, and decisions were made about how to ramp up the fear. The way we have used fear is dystopian."
- "Another SAGE member said: 'You could call psychology ‘mind control’... one SAGE member warned that 'people use the pandemic to grab power and drive through things that wouldn’t happen otherwise…"
- Another sage member referenced the weaponization of psychology.
Have you seen this document? I learned of it last week. Can't remember how at the moment. They're evil.
"Perceived threat: A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group (8), although levels of concern may be rising (9). Having a good understanding of the risk has been found to be positively associated with adoption of COVID-19 social distancing measures in Hong Kong (10). The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. To be effective this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat (11)."
the ph establishment of us uk and eu is no longer 'trustworthy'. they have gone all zero cases, despite the massive harm. before nov 2020 is was dump dj trump. now it is keep the heat off biden!
the ph establishment like many cabals work for an object that is hard to see. my suspicion is they are maximizing big pharma a cash cow foe md's etc. they have pushed off ph reactions for useless and harmful npi's so the vaccines are all they have......
as @fatemperor (ivor cummins) says: it is all a casedemic and they are out to key on no cases no matter how much damage they do to real peple......
Awesome as always, although I think we're hitting the expected H-S low right now. When you look at hospitalizations compared to H-S, we see a small lag before the numbers move. I think the "spike" last summer was simply testing catching up in April/May, then the actual summer spike came alone in June.
The good news is that every 'wave' will be smaller than the last because fewer people are susceptible. Add in the vax drive, and there's vanishingly little chance that hospitals have anything to worry about this summer in the sunbelt.
Unless the dissident voices on the "vaccines" are correct...and the "vaccinated" are actually more at risk for enhanced disease when the virus returns in the fall.
I've seen interviews of Geert Vanden Bossche about this possibility. He is concerned about more lethal variants spreading undetected in the "fully vaccinated" because the injections are leaky and the virus is widespread. The EUAs for the injections don't claim to prevent infection or transmission. They only claim to mitigate disease with infection.
As a rule, viruses mutate to become more transmissible and less virulent over time. They won't get very far if they make their host too sick or kill him.
Vanden Bossche has history and connections with Gates and GAVI.
Dr. Michael Yeadon (former Pfizer VP and Chief Science Officer) believes that Vanden Bossche's concern is suspect and that it will be used to justify top off (boosters) in the future. He says the furthest variant is 99.7% identical to the Wuhan strain that circulated in 2020 (it is no longer circulating in the US). He believes the "vaccines" and natural immunity from infection should protect against the variants. There are always exceptions.
Yeadon is not a fan of the "vaccines". He doesn't think they're necessary, especially for the young and healthy. And he is really opposed to the idea of boosters. He says they are not necessary and potentially very dangerous.
WRT to asymptomatic spread in the "fully vaccinated". The "vaccines" are leaky. They don't prevent infection or transmission. So, yes, I think some will become infected...they already have...and some will potentially transmit the to others. It doesn't really matter if they are "variants". That's media fear mongering. There is no proof the variants are more virulent. I do think these "vaccines" might suppress symptoms in people with higher viral loads, but that's only my opinion.
This is an interview of Yeadon done it late April. He is convinced there are dark motivations behind the current C19 insanity.
Indeed. My question was more facetious than factual. I think I saw that CNN's ratings during the Burn-Trump-at-the-Stake timeframe, around the election, were at previously unseen levels. They have fallen off now, I believe, but as you accurately note, fear-mongering gives advertisers exactly what they want, eyeballs.
Insiders get "book deals" worth millions (Cuomo, for example) as a way to funnel money to people who perform to spec. My guess is all of two or three people read his book. The publishers of such books are just cut-outs.
I might quibble with "two or three" and add "reasonably intelligent" as a modifier. Recall, he got an Emmy! However, all jokes aside, I know several people who I considered reasonably intelligent friends of mine, who absolutely LOVED Emperor Cuomo. The man is a putz! So that makes me question my evaluation...
I know someone who is a good friend of a high-level political adviser to major campaigns in NY, including for Cuomo. Says that Herr Governor is, hands-down, the most execreble person he has ever met.
There is also a third form of immunity: partial natural acquired immunity from being exposed to *other* coronaviruses. There was an interesting op-ed by Dr. Scott Atlas this morning talking about that and the fallacy of focusing on antibody levels, among many, many, many other things. I'll link to it if I can if you haven't seen it: https://stanfordreview.org/scott-atlas-the-last-word/. Also, I love the GIF. It's purr-fect.
This has been obvious since last July, but the "experts" never brought it up.
In a study by Grifoni et al.1, reactivity was detected in 50% of donor blood samples obtained in the USA between 2015 and 2018, before SARS-CoV-2 appeared in the human population. T cell reactivity was highest against proteins other than the coronavirus spike protein, but T cell reactivity was also detected against spike. The SARS-CoV-2 T cell reactivity was mostly associated with CD4+ T cells, with a smaller contribution by CD8+ T cells1. Similarly, in a study of blood donors in the Netherlands, Weiskopf et al.2 detected CD4+ T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 spike peptides in 1 of 10 unexposed subjects and against SARS-CoV-2 non-spike peptides in 2 of 10 unexposed subjects. CD8+ T cell reactivity was observed in 1 of 10 unexposed donors. In a third study, from Germany, Braun et al.3 reported positive T cell responses against spike peptides in 34% of SARS-CoV-2 seronegative healthy donors. Finally, a study of individuals in Singapore, by Le Bert et al.4, reported T cell responses to nucleocapsid protein nsp7 or nsp13 in 50% of subjects with no history of SARS, COVID-19, or contact with patients with SARS or COVID-19. A study by Meckiff using samples from the UK also detected reactivity in unexposed subjects5. Taken together, five studies report evidence of pre-existing T cells that recognize SARS-CoV-2 in a significant fraction of people from diverse geographical locations.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0389-z
Speaking of T cells, is it possible for one’s T cells to mount an effective defense in an active case to the extent that an individual post-infection shows no antibodies?
Indeed it is. Antibodies are the last line of defense and are only called upon when needed.
Excellent. Helpful information for those inclined to seek “protection” by innoculation when no antibodies are detected.
Perhaps there is some tide turning. Members of Sage in Britain are starting to come forward and admit to their dirty tactics. According to a Telegraph headline, "Use of fear to control behaviour in Covid crisis was ‘totalitarian’, admit scientists."
I couldn't read the article because I've run through my free articles for the month, but someone else posted excerpts:
- "There were discussions about fear being needed to encourage compliance, and decisions were made about how to ramp up the fear. The way we have used fear is dystopian."
- "Another SAGE member said: 'You could call psychology ‘mind control’... one SAGE member warned that 'people use the pandemic to grab power and drive through things that wouldn’t happen otherwise…"
- Another sage member referenced the weaponization of psychology.
Why this is coming out now, I don't know. Crisis of conscience? Or do they fear the game is over and are 'fessing up early to get leniency? If anyone is interested in the article, this is the link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/14/scientists-admit-totalitarian-use-fear-control-behaviour-covid/
Have you seen this document? I learned of it last week. Can't remember how at the moment. They're evil.
"Perceived threat: A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group (8), although levels of concern may be rising (9). Having a good understanding of the risk has been found to be positively associated with adoption of COVID-19 social distancing measures in Hong Kong (10). The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. To be effective this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat (11)."
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf
Evil sums it up well. Thanks for posting the link.
We’re still being called “maskholes.” Just sayin.
Thank you!
the ph establishment of us uk and eu is no longer 'trustworthy'. they have gone all zero cases, despite the massive harm. before nov 2020 is was dump dj trump. now it is keep the heat off biden!
the ph establishment like many cabals work for an object that is hard to see. my suspicion is they are maximizing big pharma a cash cow foe md's etc. they have pushed off ph reactions for useless and harmful npi's so the vaccines are all they have......
as @fatemperor (ivor cummins) says: it is all a casedemic and they are out to key on no cases no matter how much damage they do to real peple......
Did you see this?
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2021/05/oregonians-can-go-maskless-outside-must-be-fully-vaccinated-to-forgo-masks-indoors-state-says.html
Awesome as always, although I think we're hitting the expected H-S low right now. When you look at hospitalizations compared to H-S, we see a small lag before the numbers move. I think the "spike" last summer was simply testing catching up in April/May, then the actual summer spike came alone in June.
The good news is that every 'wave' will be smaller than the last because fewer people are susceptible. Add in the vax drive, and there's vanishingly little chance that hospitals have anything to worry about this summer in the sunbelt.
Unless the dissident voices on the "vaccines" are correct...and the "vaccinated" are actually more at risk for enhanced disease when the virus returns in the fall.
What do you think of asymptomatic spread of variants by the vaxxed:
https://youtu.be/PjQvnKClQ9Q
I've seen interviews of Geert Vanden Bossche about this possibility. He is concerned about more lethal variants spreading undetected in the "fully vaccinated" because the injections are leaky and the virus is widespread. The EUAs for the injections don't claim to prevent infection or transmission. They only claim to mitigate disease with infection.
As a rule, viruses mutate to become more transmissible and less virulent over time. They won't get very far if they make their host too sick or kill him.
Vanden Bossche has history and connections with Gates and GAVI.
Dr. Michael Yeadon (former Pfizer VP and Chief Science Officer) believes that Vanden Bossche's concern is suspect and that it will be used to justify top off (boosters) in the future. He says the furthest variant is 99.7% identical to the Wuhan strain that circulated in 2020 (it is no longer circulating in the US). He believes the "vaccines" and natural immunity from infection should protect against the variants. There are always exceptions.
Yeadon is not a fan of the "vaccines". He doesn't think they're necessary, especially for the young and healthy. And he is really opposed to the idea of boosters. He says they are not necessary and potentially very dangerous.
WRT to asymptomatic spread in the "fully vaccinated". The "vaccines" are leaky. They don't prevent infection or transmission. So, yes, I think some will become infected...they already have...and some will potentially transmit the to others. It doesn't really matter if they are "variants". That's media fear mongering. There is no proof the variants are more virulent. I do think these "vaccines" might suppress symptoms in people with higher viral loads, but that's only my opinion.
This is an interview of Yeadon done it late April. He is convinced there are dark motivations behind the current C19 insanity.
https://rumble.com/vg4inv-michael-yeadon-full-interview-planet-lockdown.html
Yes I followed Yeadon until his twitter was removed and tend to agree with him.
That last picture seals it! My question is, are the idiots on CNN receiving direct payments from Pharma or deferred compensation?
i fear the real concern is "why would they need to?"
massive fear mongering and crisis exaggeration is it's own reward for media outlets. it drives viewership through the roof.
wars and crisis are ratings gold.
there is no need for conspiracy where interests already converge
Indeed. My question was more facetious than factual. I think I saw that CNN's ratings during the Burn-Trump-at-the-Stake timeframe, around the election, were at previously unseen levels. They have fallen off now, I believe, but as you accurately note, fear-mongering gives advertisers exactly what they want, eyeballs.
Insiders get "book deals" worth millions (Cuomo, for example) as a way to funnel money to people who perform to spec. My guess is all of two or three people read his book. The publishers of such books are just cut-outs.
I might quibble with "two or three" and add "reasonably intelligent" as a modifier. Recall, he got an Emmy! However, all jokes aside, I know several people who I considered reasonably intelligent friends of mine, who absolutely LOVED Emperor Cuomo. The man is a putz! So that makes me question my evaluation...
I know someone who is a good friend of a high-level political adviser to major campaigns in NY, including for Cuomo. Says that Herr Governor is, hands-down, the most execreble person he has ever met.