you're supposed to not comply and to urge others to do the same.
we're supposed to get unified and hold the line from the beginning.
if we all had just gone into work, out to eat, ignored these ridiculous edicts, and stopped surfing panic porn, this could have been stopped.
if we had not, en masse, fallen for the "two weeks to flatten the curve" ruse that put the thin end of the wedge irrevocably in and instead said "no" in any meaningful numbers, this would not have happened.
perhaps we were not sufficiently organized last time.
but we are now and we need to stay that way.
protests are just energy sapping pressure releases if you then go home and submit. you seem to be jousting with a straw man there.
not sure what you're so angry at, but i doubt it's really me.
you sound like the kind of guy who has already packed it in and expects to lose.
perhaps if you were not, you might be less touchy...
i mean, look, if you won't, you won't. but grandstanding about conspiracies we cannot oppose is not going to solve anything.
My objections are against: 1) victim-blaming and moralizing, and 2) any notion of some decisive victory.
On a personal level, I fell for "2 weeks to flatten the curve," but was fully out of the trance by about April 2020 and have done everything I know how to enlighten people around me and online. How many people fell for (and still fall for) 9/11, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, etc. etc? History is a parade of big lies that enable world-transforming events. We're not going to protest our way out of a conspiracy this huge. It will eventually fade due to various entropic pressures (including resistance), and we'll be left with a big fucking mess. Either way, I'll be first in line to vote R across the board, pull my kids out of school when needed, quit my job, etc.
After decades of attempted political organizing and electioneering, or wallowing in the muck and mire of conspiracy culture, the pill gets pretty black. The only successful revolutions post-1776 were the Lincoln Republicans and FDR Democrats, both of which required widespread economic misery and institutional collapse to become possible.
this is not victim blaming. this is teaching people how to not get fooled again.
once we fell for "2 weeks to drive in the wedge" it was already over.
that's the lesson. it was not some surprise attack. they told us it was coming and they asked us to comply.
calling this "pearl harbor" is inapt. (and the lusitania, interestingly enough, was actually a fort sumpter type event. it was full of munitions.)
the lincoln republicans and the FDR democats were both fascist in inclination. if i had to point to the two presidents that have done the most damage to america, it would be those two. no one else is even close.
we're entering a new age of organization and communication and where many forms of rollback are becoming possible. and the economic misery and intuitional/societal collapse are getting pretty plain to see.
like it or no, this is going to be a pivotal period and we can come out on a path to liberty or heading down a totalitarian drain.
which will depend on how WE behave.
we already know what the lizard people want and what they will do. they're going to act like they always do. so that's not the question.
the question is "what are we going to do about it?"
"the lincoln republicans and the FDR democats were both fascist in inclination. if i had to point to the two presidents that have done the most damage to america, it would be those two. no one else is even close."
Woodrow Wilson is offended that he didn't even get an honorable mention.
And there's the big reveal - "liberty" as defined by Thomas DiLorenzo, Anthony Sutton and the rest of the right-libertarians. If Lincoln and FDR were fascists so were the (Hamiltonian) founders. Hamilton > JQ Adams > Henry Clay > Lincoln > FDR > JFK is the direct line of ideological succession. Note how every presidency ended with a bullet was a "big state" federalist. The permanent enemy is non-state "imperialism" which today is centered in London, Tel Aviv, Blackrock, the WEF, Swiss banks, etc.
Today a revolutionary movement, oddly enough, would look something like Trumpism without all the stupidity and jingoism - end free trade with tariffs, nationalize the Fed to build infrastructure (ie nuclear power plants, huge water projects), support farm prices (as FDR and Lincoln did), expropriate land from monopolists like Gates, redistribute it to family farmers, and a series of legal measures to protect the sovereignty of the individual - medical freedom, limits on corporate use of the "commons" (ie to smother the "internet of things" in its cradle). It's not goofy self-organizing internet collectives. Go look at the Podemos movement to see how that all works out.
The only hope for humans is to shave off the sharp edges of "imperial" power with state power, and it only works until it's so successful that everyone gets lazy and drops their guard.
Maybe someone like DeSantis will seize the moment and advance the ball down the field a bit. My big gripe is that "we the people" play the same role in all these processes that waves play in the ocean - we don't have much control over the consequences of our actions, especially when we don't have simple, shared goals. My source of hope is that discontent creates institutional failure, which creates a vacuum into which rapid change can take place. I'm voting for Lincoln (economic development) and not Andrew Jackson (false "liberty" in the service of British imperialism).
And how are going to oppose from the start a cyber pandemic or a systemic bank collapse?
You can take some steps to insulate yourself from the effects but unless we, as a whole, prepare for this and have a strategy and a plan, it's pointless to just say hold the line. If a cyber pandemic hits, we will be so disorganized that there won't be much we can do. If coupled with banks collapses/runs, other than having stockpilled food and be independent water and energy wise and hope for the better, what can you do? Do you think starving masses will listen to you instead of the authorities in charge? Do you think you have the ability to redirect mob fury where it should be directed in the first place? We are in very precarious position and there's not much we can do unless a very high percent of the people(I'd say 40-50%) truly understand what we are dealing with and are willing to not tolerate it all. That's not the case. We don't have these numbers. Even on our side there are prominent people with large followings, see Alex Berenson, who don't want to understand this is not incompetence. What the powers that shouldn't be are doing now by stepping back is just consolidating and giving the ones in the middle, who might go fully skeptical if the nonsense keeps going, the illusion that things are normal, the system is working and even if the decisions in the last 2 years weren't ideal, the illusion that the system works for them and that it can heal itself. It won't happen but the veil over the deceit will remain for longer. And soon we will be hit with another crisis. Very probable a cyber pandemic which will root the opposition as we have no plan on how to keep the communication going in such a case. That will dissolve any questioning voices from reaching the masses that are on the edge and might lean our way.
Take a listen to Brendon O'Connell on YouTube, who deals with issues like this in depth. Covid in part is about reshaping the balance of power - depopulating/de-industrializing the west and strengthening China's "Belt & Road" with the City of London banks and Israeli intelligence at the helm. We should probably be focusing all energy on "waking up" the US military and hoping to God not all decent, effective people have been purged from its leadership.
IMHO the only sources of hope are: 1) "Black swan" events like the Epstein network getting exposed, 2) The possibility of authoritative action by a future US president and military - this would involve expelling/detaining many dual citizens working as spies in the US, and possibly a period of isolation from the global economy where we shut off digital communication with the outside world and rebuild critical industries (this was the core purpose of the North in the Civil War), or failing all, 3) total collapse where those of us who know how to grow food have some hope of reconstituting a pre-industrial standard of living.
frankly it is not about educating or enlightening the people around. rather it is about every single person in the know to not comply...ever...with government, corporate, etc edicts that go against personal freedom
it does not take that many to not comply to prevent these things from happening
as el gato is pointing out though, the problem is we almost all fell two weeks to stop the spread. we need to take that lesson and never comply with anything like that again.
This is only "victim-blaming" in the same sense that teaching women self-defense and concealed-carry skills so they can fight back against rapists is "blaming the victim." (Which is an accusation that is often lodged against organizations that go around doing anti-social things like teaching women how to fight back and shoot.) Sure -- in a just and perfect world our rights would be respected by default and defended by social consensus. That ain't the world we live in.
We arenтАЩt organized. And weтАЩre very small. I have lost many friends/associates by failing to fall into the orthodoxy and trying to, very rationally, explain the true data-driven reality.
But I fear 90% donтАЩt care and, worse, donтАЩt *want* to care. Most of us are here because we care that the last 22 months has been fundamentally and criminally wrong.
But most people donтАЩt think critically. Most donтАЩt want to take responsibility for even themselves.
I donтАЩt know how we proceed in this environment.
ItтАЩs a trend IтАЩve been observing for most of my 30 adult years.
Personal responsibility, owning your actions and your intent, doing the right thing thatтАЩs hard instead of the wrong thing thatтАЩs easy - the percentage of society that lives that seems smaller and smaller all the time.
I believe the first thing we do - and as quickly as possible (and many of us have been) - is to know our Enemy. To understand the Evil at work, truly down to the bedrock.
We need as many people to continue researching these hydras and screaming out the truth that they've found from the rooftops. We can't fight properly if we don't know who, what, and where to truly pick our battles.
We also move forward with faith, hope, and love. That might sounds idealistic, and some of us might not be able to. We've been scarred for life. Bells have been rung all over the universe that will never be unrung. But if we start out from any other mental and spiritual standpoint, we have no chance and might as well pack it up and head for the hills.
Hear me, I'm not an idealist. I'm a realist. I'm in no way into the froo froo woo woo, an approach like "if we just love our enemy, they'll put down their weapons and pack it in." That might work in some scrums, but it's not going to work in this endgame.
Our ally is and always has been Truth. We all need to hit the mines, as our Gato Pal has been doing for the last two years, and dig out as much truth - and state is as clearly, passionately, and purposefully - as we possibly can.
There's no way to see the big picture in this without Truth. And there's no movement if we have no hope. And there's damn sure no real world results if we aren't united.
We all have MANY differences of opinion. We all bring a unique perspective to this fight. We're going to have to extend MUCH grace to ourselves and the networks we're creating, because the Enemy wants us to feel incredibly ALONE. Divided. Out on an island of anger, regret, self-condemnation, guilt, and fear. It wants us hopeless, broken, wallowing on our knees.
I'm not willing to give the enemy that satisfaction. I'm going to play my own little part. The most unlikely things shift the outcome of great battles. Help often comes from the least expected places, never planned for or previously known.
If we go down, we go down digging - and then SHOUTING - Truth, using the systems in place against them, creating alternative systems as fast as we possibly can, and moving forward relentlessly.
Otherwise, let's pack it in. Each one of us needs to decide right now:
Fight or Flight? is this worth it, despite the costs, despite the odds?
I hate that I have to type this, because I know these words are going to come back to challenge me at some point. Yet if they do, so be it.
I would fight if it were just me. But I have a son and daughter, both under 15. I look in their innocent faces and groan and cry, knowing that if I don't stand for them right now, and stand with all I've got, they won't know a world that has any Light. They will be oppressed, treated like cattle.
Infiltrate and take over the teaching profession and academia. Same with news, entertainment, and social media, and all levels of government. Change the culture back.
It will take generations because the folks who train the teachers (university profs) and the teachersтАЩ unions are all really, really terrible right now.
GETTR is the best glimmer of hope for real networking I see at the moment. Substack is fine for what it is, but it's not the same thing. And both are terribly vulnerable.
It is tempting to despair, but despair is wrong. Please keep up the good work.
I am a firm believer in geographic proximity. I am a member of an online Druid order and this has been an issue and discussion topic with my religious mentor for some time. While I understand the practical limitations (a small number of like-minded people spread across North America and beyond) and give everyone involved full marks for all the good work they do, there are logical limits to what can be achieved. You need physical contact in order to build the trust that is necessary for any social group to function successfully. Only after you have that trust can you build real community.
And real communities will be necessary to affect real change.
these blackpill excuses ring pretty hollow.
you're supposed to not comply and to urge others to do the same.
we're supposed to get unified and hold the line from the beginning.
if we all had just gone into work, out to eat, ignored these ridiculous edicts, and stopped surfing panic porn, this could have been stopped.
if we had not, en masse, fallen for the "two weeks to flatten the curve" ruse that put the thin end of the wedge irrevocably in and instead said "no" in any meaningful numbers, this would not have happened.
perhaps we were not sufficiently organized last time.
but we are now and we need to stay that way.
protests are just energy sapping pressure releases if you then go home and submit. you seem to be jousting with a straw man there.
not sure what you're so angry at, but i doubt it's really me.
you sound like the kind of guy who has already packed it in and expects to lose.
perhaps if you were not, you might be less touchy...
i mean, look, if you won't, you won't. but grandstanding about conspiracies we cannot oppose is not going to solve anything.
My objections are against: 1) victim-blaming and moralizing, and 2) any notion of some decisive victory.
On a personal level, I fell for "2 weeks to flatten the curve," but was fully out of the trance by about April 2020 and have done everything I know how to enlighten people around me and online. How many people fell for (and still fall for) 9/11, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, etc. etc? History is a parade of big lies that enable world-transforming events. We're not going to protest our way out of a conspiracy this huge. It will eventually fade due to various entropic pressures (including resistance), and we'll be left with a big fucking mess. Either way, I'll be first in line to vote R across the board, pull my kids out of school when needed, quit my job, etc.
After decades of attempted political organizing and electioneering, or wallowing in the muck and mire of conspiracy culture, the pill gets pretty black. The only successful revolutions post-1776 were the Lincoln Republicans and FDR Democrats, both of which required widespread economic misery and institutional collapse to become possible.
this is not victim blaming. this is teaching people how to not get fooled again.
once we fell for "2 weeks to drive in the wedge" it was already over.
that's the lesson. it was not some surprise attack. they told us it was coming and they asked us to comply.
calling this "pearl harbor" is inapt. (and the lusitania, interestingly enough, was actually a fort sumpter type event. it was full of munitions.)
the lincoln republicans and the FDR democats were both fascist in inclination. if i had to point to the two presidents that have done the most damage to america, it would be those two. no one else is even close.
we're entering a new age of organization and communication and where many forms of rollback are becoming possible. and the economic misery and intuitional/societal collapse are getting pretty plain to see.
like it or no, this is going to be a pivotal period and we can come out on a path to liberty or heading down a totalitarian drain.
which will depend on how WE behave.
we already know what the lizard people want and what they will do. they're going to act like they always do. so that's not the question.
the question is "what are we going to do about it?"
"the lincoln republicans and the FDR democats were both fascist in inclination. if i had to point to the two presidents that have done the most damage to america, it would be those two. no one else is even close."
Woodrow Wilson is offended that he didn't even get an honorable mention.
alexander hamilton would like a word
Hamilton was never president. And "1776" is a better musical.
of course i know that. he was arguably worse than any president we've had.
I was thinking the same thing. :)
And there's the big reveal - "liberty" as defined by Thomas DiLorenzo, Anthony Sutton and the rest of the right-libertarians. If Lincoln and FDR were fascists so were the (Hamiltonian) founders. Hamilton > JQ Adams > Henry Clay > Lincoln > FDR > JFK is the direct line of ideological succession. Note how every presidency ended with a bullet was a "big state" federalist. The permanent enemy is non-state "imperialism" which today is centered in London, Tel Aviv, Blackrock, the WEF, Swiss banks, etc.
Today a revolutionary movement, oddly enough, would look something like Trumpism without all the stupidity and jingoism - end free trade with tariffs, nationalize the Fed to build infrastructure (ie nuclear power plants, huge water projects), support farm prices (as FDR and Lincoln did), expropriate land from monopolists like Gates, redistribute it to family farmers, and a series of legal measures to protect the sovereignty of the individual - medical freedom, limits on corporate use of the "commons" (ie to smother the "internet of things" in its cradle). It's not goofy self-organizing internet collectives. Go look at the Podemos movement to see how that all works out.
The only hope for humans is to shave off the sharp edges of "imperial" power with state power, and it only works until it's so successful that everyone gets lazy and drops their guard.
Maybe someone like DeSantis will seize the moment and advance the ball down the field a bit. My big gripe is that "we the people" play the same role in all these processes that waves play in the ocean - we don't have much control over the consequences of our actions, especially when we don't have simple, shared goals. My source of hope is that discontent creates institutional failure, which creates a vacuum into which rapid change can take place. I'm voting for Lincoln (economic development) and not Andrew Jackson (false "liberty" in the service of British imperialism).
And how are going to oppose from the start a cyber pandemic or a systemic bank collapse?
You can take some steps to insulate yourself from the effects but unless we, as a whole, prepare for this and have a strategy and a plan, it's pointless to just say hold the line. If a cyber pandemic hits, we will be so disorganized that there won't be much we can do. If coupled with banks collapses/runs, other than having stockpilled food and be independent water and energy wise and hope for the better, what can you do? Do you think starving masses will listen to you instead of the authorities in charge? Do you think you have the ability to redirect mob fury where it should be directed in the first place? We are in very precarious position and there's not much we can do unless a very high percent of the people(I'd say 40-50%) truly understand what we are dealing with and are willing to not tolerate it all. That's not the case. We don't have these numbers. Even on our side there are prominent people with large followings, see Alex Berenson, who don't want to understand this is not incompetence. What the powers that shouldn't be are doing now by stepping back is just consolidating and giving the ones in the middle, who might go fully skeptical if the nonsense keeps going, the illusion that things are normal, the system is working and even if the decisions in the last 2 years weren't ideal, the illusion that the system works for them and that it can heal itself. It won't happen but the veil over the deceit will remain for longer. And soon we will be hit with another crisis. Very probable a cyber pandemic which will root the opposition as we have no plan on how to keep the communication going in such a case. That will dissolve any questioning voices from reaching the masses that are on the edge and might lean our way.
Take a listen to Brendon O'Connell on YouTube, who deals with issues like this in depth. Covid in part is about reshaping the balance of power - depopulating/de-industrializing the west and strengthening China's "Belt & Road" with the City of London banks and Israeli intelligence at the helm. We should probably be focusing all energy on "waking up" the US military and hoping to God not all decent, effective people have been purged from its leadership.
IMHO the only sources of hope are: 1) "Black swan" events like the Epstein network getting exposed, 2) The possibility of authoritative action by a future US president and military - this would involve expelling/detaining many dual citizens working as spies in the US, and possibly a period of isolation from the global economy where we shut off digital communication with the outside world and rebuild critical industries (this was the core purpose of the North in the Civil War), or failing all, 3) total collapse where those of us who know how to grow food have some hope of reconstituting a pre-industrial standard of living.
You left out woodrow wilson. I think he did more damage than either if those. But those are my top 3 rounded out by buden and carter....
frankly it is not about educating or enlightening the people around. rather it is about every single person in the know to not comply...ever...with government, corporate, etc edicts that go against personal freedom
it does not take that many to not comply to prevent these things from happening
as el gato is pointing out though, the problem is we almost all fell two weeks to stop the spread. we need to take that lesson and never comply with anything like that again.
This is only "victim-blaming" in the same sense that teaching women self-defense and concealed-carry skills so they can fight back against rapists is "blaming the victim." (Which is an accusation that is often lodged against organizations that go around doing anti-social things like teaching women how to fight back and shoot.) Sure -- in a just and perfect world our rights would be respected by default and defended by social consensus. That ain't the world we live in.
Top comment, obviously. Meow.
Are we sufficiently organized?
a good question.
i'm not sure. let's see how we do in the coming months.
if nothing else, we're sure well networked now.
this fight is about to move to new fields.
whether we can take our network with us to join them will be the true test.
We arenтАЩt organized. And weтАЩre very small. I have lost many friends/associates by failing to fall into the orthodoxy and trying to, very rationally, explain the true data-driven reality.
But I fear 90% donтАЩt care and, worse, donтАЩt *want* to care. Most of us are here because we care that the last 22 months has been fundamentally and criminally wrong.
But most people donтАЩt think critically. Most donтАЩt want to take responsibility for even themselves.
I donтАЩt know how we proceed in this environment.
ItтАЩs a trend IтАЩve been observing for most of my 30 adult years.
Personal responsibility, owning your actions and your intent, doing the right thing thatтАЩs hard instead of the wrong thing thatтАЩs easy - the percentage of society that lives that seems smaller and smaller all the time.
How do we address this root cause?
I believe the first thing we do - and as quickly as possible (and many of us have been) - is to know our Enemy. To understand the Evil at work, truly down to the bedrock.
We need as many people to continue researching these hydras and screaming out the truth that they've found from the rooftops. We can't fight properly if we don't know who, what, and where to truly pick our battles.
We also move forward with faith, hope, and love. That might sounds idealistic, and some of us might not be able to. We've been scarred for life. Bells have been rung all over the universe that will never be unrung. But if we start out from any other mental and spiritual standpoint, we have no chance and might as well pack it up and head for the hills.
Hear me, I'm not an idealist. I'm a realist. I'm in no way into the froo froo woo woo, an approach like "if we just love our enemy, they'll put down their weapons and pack it in." That might work in some scrums, but it's not going to work in this endgame.
Our ally is and always has been Truth. We all need to hit the mines, as our Gato Pal has been doing for the last two years, and dig out as much truth - and state is as clearly, passionately, and purposefully - as we possibly can.
There's no way to see the big picture in this without Truth. And there's no movement if we have no hope. And there's damn sure no real world results if we aren't united.
We all have MANY differences of opinion. We all bring a unique perspective to this fight. We're going to have to extend MUCH grace to ourselves and the networks we're creating, because the Enemy wants us to feel incredibly ALONE. Divided. Out on an island of anger, regret, self-condemnation, guilt, and fear. It wants us hopeless, broken, wallowing on our knees.
I'm not willing to give the enemy that satisfaction. I'm going to play my own little part. The most unlikely things shift the outcome of great battles. Help often comes from the least expected places, never planned for or previously known.
If we go down, we go down digging - and then SHOUTING - Truth, using the systems in place against them, creating alternative systems as fast as we possibly can, and moving forward relentlessly.
Otherwise, let's pack it in. Each one of us needs to decide right now:
Fight or Flight? is this worth it, despite the costs, despite the odds?
I hate that I have to type this, because I know these words are going to come back to challenge me at some point. Yet if they do, so be it.
I would fight if it were just me. But I have a son and daughter, both under 15. I look in their innocent faces and groan and cry, knowing that if I don't stand for them right now, and stand with all I've got, they won't know a world that has any Light. They will be oppressed, treated like cattle.
Fuck that.
Infiltrate and take over the teaching profession and academia. Same with news, entertainment, and social media, and all levels of government. Change the culture back.
It may take some time...
It will take generations because the folks who train the teachers (university profs) and the teachersтАЩ unions are all really, really terrible right now.
Start with your kids :)
GETTR is the best glimmer of hope for real networking I see at the moment. Substack is fine for what it is, but it's not the same thing. And both are terribly vulnerable.
It is tempting to despair, but despair is wrong. Please keep up the good work.
Totally vulnerable in case of a cyber pandemic. And that it's coming. We need real world connections first and foremost.
... and do we need a common geographical location to place our headquarters, or is it now "online"?
I am a firm believer in geographic proximity. I am a member of an online Druid order and this has been an issue and discussion topic with my religious mentor for some time. While I understand the practical limitations (a small number of like-minded people spread across North America and beyond) and give everyone involved full marks for all the good work they do, there are logical limits to what can be achieved. You need physical contact in order to build the trust that is necessary for any social group to function successfully. Only after you have that trust can you build real community.
And real communities will be necessary to affect real change.