the common good or general welfare can only be pursued from the bottom up by free choice that imposes pareto optimality.
as soon as one uses such "motives" for top down policy, it goes bad in a hurry. there is no way to know what the common good is and the bet that by forcing the people to do X we can raise them to higher valences of uti…
the common good or general welfare can only be pursued from the bottom up by free choice that imposes pareto optimality.
as soon as one uses such "motives" for top down policy, it goes bad in a hurry. there is no way to know what the common good is and the bet that by forcing the people to do X we can raise them to higher valences of utility that they could find for themselves is implausible and unmeasurable.
i would argue that their presence in any discourse on top down diktat is always an inevitable harmful as either deluded or disingenuous.
I don't disagree. I see them as highly disposable flowery words.
I wasn't thinking of the context of top-down diktat so much as the general welfare clause of the US Constitution, which lives nestled within tightly enumerated powers and privileges.
But obviously that hasn't stopped it from being used as its own power and privilege in and of itself. I wonder if the framers might have simply omitted the phrase had they seen its use as a bludgeon by statists.
well, that sits in the preamble and is laying out a rationale for having a constitution and enshrining rights therein.
it seems more an indictment of top down imposition of power than an endorsement.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
There is also Section 8 which begins "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..." still not carte blanche but easy for an activist judiciary to take and run with, like a child and a pair of scissors. Or like an entrenched bureaucrat and a gain of function research grant.
In both cases, the Constitution is careful to *define* what may be done by Congress toward the "general Welfare" — as opposed to modern-style delegated bureaucracy which says "anything the agency director thinks may be necessary, and he'll suffer not the peasants to place limits upon him."
NOT that I have any faith in the justice system in the current strangling atmosphere, but a tiny ray of hope recently on WV v EPA? Tiny. Hardly decisive across the breadth of executive per agency directors. Plus seems slightly counterintuitive blithely going about litigating a long list of lesser (?) issues in this hour of, dare I use the word being it is wielded so callously against us, crisis, for the very existence of our country. But hey, what is intuitive anymore? Might be my trauma and heightened anxiety talking. Is business as usual a cover, theater like the show in legislative? I don’t have answers but I sure see the battering ram at every front door. ...I’m all over the place. Need some sleep. Wonder if I made any sense. Apologies if my tangle is too tangled.
the common good or general welfare can only be pursued from the bottom up by free choice that imposes pareto optimality.
as soon as one uses such "motives" for top down policy, it goes bad in a hurry. there is no way to know what the common good is and the bet that by forcing the people to do X we can raise them to higher valences of utility that they could find for themselves is implausible and unmeasurable.
i would argue that their presence in any discourse on top down diktat is always an inevitable harmful as either deluded or disingenuous.
I don't disagree. I see them as highly disposable flowery words.
I wasn't thinking of the context of top-down diktat so much as the general welfare clause of the US Constitution, which lives nestled within tightly enumerated powers and privileges.
But obviously that hasn't stopped it from being used as its own power and privilege in and of itself. I wonder if the framers might have simply omitted the phrase had they seen its use as a bludgeon by statists.
well, that sits in the preamble and is laying out a rationale for having a constitution and enshrining rights therein.
it seems more an indictment of top down imposition of power than an endorsement.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
There is also Section 8 which begins "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..." still not carte blanche but easy for an activist judiciary to take and run with, like a child and a pair of scissors. Or like an entrenched bureaucrat and a gain of function research grant.
In both cases, the Constitution is careful to *define* what may be done by Congress toward the "general Welfare" — as opposed to modern-style delegated bureaucracy which says "anything the agency director thinks may be necessary, and he'll suffer not the peasants to place limits upon him."
NOT that I have any faith in the justice system in the current strangling atmosphere, but a tiny ray of hope recently on WV v EPA? Tiny. Hardly decisive across the breadth of executive per agency directors. Plus seems slightly counterintuitive blithely going about litigating a long list of lesser (?) issues in this hour of, dare I use the word being it is wielded so callously against us, crisis, for the very existence of our country. But hey, what is intuitive anymore? Might be my trauma and heightened anxiety talking. Is business as usual a cover, theater like the show in legislative? I don’t have answers but I sure see the battering ram at every front door. ...I’m all over the place. Need some sleep. Wonder if I made any sense. Apologies if my tangle is too tangled.
You know I sang this. Miss those Saturday Schoolhouse Rock shows
Please continue. It needs to be defined and not the way the courts ruled.
What do we do, in the future, when the state relies on AI for the common good?
arggh...thar she blows!...