Hospital policy probably differs nation to nation. Regrettably it’s clear that if not deliberate murder, management policy did increase death rates in spring 2020 in U.K.
I know Italy also made excessive use of mechanical ventilation. I have found this very worrying because covid19 isn’t an obstructive lung disorder.
If blood gasses fall, the classical solution is high flow oxygen mask, NOT intubation & mechanical ventilation. The latter is very dangerous, especially to frail people.
Few know that if you take a cohort of healthy people & sedate/intubate/ventilate, a few days later, you’ll begin seeing deaths from pulmonary oedema & bacterial pneumonia.
It’s also a high skill role, to “fly the patient”, avoiding excessive positive pressure, balancing end tidal pressure etc
I had SpO2 of 57 at the trough in April 2020. I didn't dare go to hospital because I knew they were slaughtering people with premature intubation and misplaced use of high PEEP. I had held off taking the chloroquine I had bought in Jan 2020 but finally any risk was dominated by certain further deterioration. Took chloroquine one night and by next morning SpO2 in 80s and then 90s. Ivermectin helped further.
In any case I don't want to say too much more in public at this stage but I can say that the UK government was made aware already in April 2020 that hospital protocols were killing people. And the case for Hydroxychloroquine did find its way into a memo that went to the highest level in April.
There's more that might be said at the right time and in the right form in the right way.
Thank God you had those meds. SPO2 57% obviously makes healthcare workers itchy to drop a tube! Glad you pulled through with your own critical care and critical thinking protocol. I think all of the highest levels of government in all countries are well aware of what the treatment protocol SHOULD be, the question is why are they working overtime to suppress them?
I don’t. To be honest, I’m very tired after almost 20 months of this.
I’m doing more interviews again including a long session with Reiner Fuellmich’s Corona Committee today.
I just don’t want to write articles.
There’s nothing more to say: this has been the biggest crime in history, it’s a global coup d’etat of the liberal democracies.
We’re either going to stand up, cross our arms & say “Were not complying. I’m arresting you for crimes against humanity” or we’re going to be enslaved.
It’s that simple. We need political leaders to join with scientists, medics, lawyers, ethicists plus anyone with a spine.
Doctor, what if you and a few others of similar unassailable qualification were to come up with some simple, easily understandable leaflets, in tablets of perhaps sticky-note type. Some graphs and explanations to counter the official narrative. There could be an army of leafleteers posting the truth wherever people might see them. I would be one of that army. Sell them for whatever is necessary. There are millions of potential soldiers. Maybe pass the idea on to your peers? It would be something we could all do to contribute to the war effort.
It was someone else’s idea—can’t recall who. But it seems like a good thing to try.
I was thinking the same, like the gas pump stickers of President Pudding pointing at the gas price and saying "I did that!" Guerilla marketing, low-tech and in places people naturally look. Grocery & church bulletin boards, gas pumps, ATMs,
Sounds like the White Rose movement/initiative: "Coupling youthful idealism with an impressive knowledge of German literature and Christian religious teachings, the students published their beliefs in a series of leaflets under the name “the White Rose” (and later as “Leaflets of the Resistance”)."- https://www.britannica.com/topic/White-Rose
If I can’t visit the pub you might frequent hoping to overhear your conversations and maybe “have a pint with you, sir”, I’d gladly visit your substack—and have a pint at home.
Surprised and pleased to see your comment. Been following your urgent pleas and warnings from the very beginning. Appreciate your Lionheart! Stay well!
Not a health professional here, but this does make sense to me. Another possible confounder I see in the case of Sweden is a stress level difference. If what I've read is correct, Sweden has been very light on the lockdown spectrum—especially if we look at lockdowns from a relative perspective, what is normal, everyday life to the average Swede would likely feel very restrictive to the average Brit and definitely to the average American.
Since it is known that the mRna vaccines have side effects that appear to most commonly affect the heart, it seems like a no-brainer that if you combine that with elevated stress levels due to lockdown/fear-mongering, you would see an increased rate of excess mortality in places where the societal stress is higher.
The UK, for example, which had one of Europe's longest lockdowns last year coupled with high vaccination rates, has been seeing a rise in heart attacks and strokes. And -- I kid you not -- the press has attributed it to "Post Pandemic Stress Disorder".
You have been one of the few sober, sane, and brave voices throughout this criminally induced misery. Thank you very much, sir. My proverbial hat is off to you.
With regards to Italy I remember reading a long time ago just after the pandemic was underway that the old people especially in the area of Milan had been given a high dose flu shot in late 2019. There was some debate about this being a possible reason for so many of their deaths after getting covid. Have you heard anything about this.
Death rates in the Highlands of Scotland are ten times higher than in the city of Glasgow: and when you drill down into deprived neighbourhoods the difference becomes even more marked: there is a powerful link between urban deprivation and death here, and we need to ask why.
We also need to ask why vast parts of Africa are largely unaffected.
However it it non-covid deaths which are elevated, whereas covid deaths are down. It is possible that ventilation injury is a factor if there has been an increase in covid-like illnesses that are being vented. We would need to see a breakdown of causes of death. From anecdotal reports in the US, nurses are seeing an increase in cardiovascular events.
TheLaw, are you suggesting that people who were vented to treat covid over the last two years may have had latent ventilator injury to their lungs which flared up with anew illness?
No, I was trying to clarify el gato's question, which was: why has there been an increase in non-covid deaths in recent months, except for Sweden? One proposal is that non-Swedish hospitals killed patients with improper venting. While I am sure many covid patients worldwide died this way, I don't think venting is killing non-covid patients. UNLESS there has been a rise in CLIs (covid-like-illness, aka pneumonias) that are being improperly vented.
It could be that in 2020 they put out lot of death certificates with Covid even though it had nothing to do with it. That may explain lesser deaths from Covid in 2021.
Sweden is interesting. If they have similar vaccination rates, then really you've eliminated the vaccine as a variable, or at least the deciding variable (I know science probably has a better term). The one thing Sweden did have was a much looser COVID policy and they took a much more sane attitude toward the whole thing. So as much as I hate the vaccine and think it's dangerous, we've never really gotten this hysterical over a virus before and shut people away, ruined their businesses, thrown the lives of nearly an entire globe into chaos. One could hypothesize that COVID policy is the determining factor here, not vaccination. That the policy has caused so much mental anguish, lack of movement (physical fitness), delayed treatment, etc., that it's literally killing people even two years on.
One could also suppose that because Sweden's policy was looser, more people got mild infections of COVID and COVID was more widespread, so biologically perhaps getting COVID protected people from the worse side effects of the vaccine.
Sweden suffered a high rate of mortality for their elderly populations early in the pandemic. That was admitted to by Dr. Giesecke and Anders Tegnell, their chief epidemiologist. It could be that that contributed to later lack of all-cause deaths (the "deadwood" was already burnt, if you excuse my phrase). Also, because of the permissive social interaction atmosphere compared to most other countries it is entirely possible that Sweden developed more widespread natural immunity than most, and subsequent herd immunity reduced Covid deaths.
Except, as I've seen on this Substack or another one I follow, there were no excess deaths in Sweden in 2019, 2020, nor 2021, so it would seem no more elderly people died than would have typically died in a year, which throws a monkey wrench into your theory. And in the other countries, the people aren't dying of COVID in many cases. They're just, well, dying. And it's not just the elderly. It's all the age groups. So it's not COVID that's causing the excess deaths.
Most likely there wasn't actually much change in overall mortality, including for the older, more susceptible. But the timing was probably altered with a shift to earlier death for some due to Covid at the expense of other causes, which decreased. Subsequently widespread immunity due to the lack of lockdowns, etc. slowed that mortality bump and that is ongoing, precisely as Dr. Giesecke predicted way back in April 2020. See this article: https://anti-empire.com/sweden-has-had-negative-excess-mortality-since-the-start-of-2020/
Also, there was a reason for that bump. A large number of elderly Swedes live in nursing homes that are pretty crowded and staffed in large part by recent immigrants who admittedly (by Anders Tegnell) were not adequately trained in methods to protect this vulnerable population. He repeatedly said that that particular part of his strategy failed. They didn't adequately protect the vulnerable elderly.
I'm not sure that article says what you think it does. However, I've heard also that Sweden did not "take care of it's vulnerable population." However, I find the idea (that they died more from COVID and less from other things) suspect. The only real number we care about is overall deaths. You can count deaths as from anything, but the one thing you can't do is mess with how many deaths occurred. If we really had a virus that was particularly deadly to elderly people (versus one that was simply taking those that were already at the end of their lives and would have died anyway in short order), you should see a sharp rise in excess deaths as the elderly that would have survived for another year or two died that year, and then you should see a sharp drop in deaths the following years as those that would have died are already gone. None of that is evident in Sweden.
Furthermore, I read on one of Alex Berenson's substacks a letter from a nurse in Washington saying that they closed nursing homes there because they thought they would lose up to 25% of their residents. Funny thing, they still lost 25% of their residents by the time it was over. They didn't die from COVID; they simply gave up and died from loneliness and isolation.
I do agree however that Sweden was on the right track and that maybe they could have done a better job "protection the elderly," but honestly you look at Florida here or the nurse's example from Washington, and they might have saved a few elderly from dying from COVID, but lost them to the same thing we did, loneliness. The issue is always so much more complicated than one variable.
Excess deaths in 2019 is irrelevant, that is pre-pandemic. Deaths in Sweden did go considerably up 2019->2020, when the some of the elderly with comorbidities were wiped out. Death rate from Covid has been reasonable, so it won't show much "excess", given the death rates have been on a down slope for some decades rendering the average perhaps " too high".
1900 "extra" deaths in Sweden is hardly "wiped out." This sounds more like "spin" as in all this mainstream articles about "why Sweden did a horrible job at balancing COVID and people's need to keep living and killed all its old people even though they're nearly all still alive so whatever you do don't look at Sweden and wonder, why couldn't we have done that?"
Not a health professional here, but I think this could be an over-simplification. A possible catalyst in the other countries when compared with Sweden is a stress level difference. If what I've read is correct, Sweden has been very light on the lockdown spectrum—especially if we look at lockdowns from a relative perspective, what is normal, everyday life to the average Swede would likely feel very restrictive to the average Brit and definitely to the average American.
Since it is known that the mRna vaccines have side effects that appear to most commonly affect the heart, it seems like a no-brainer that if you combine that with elevated stress levels due to lockdown/fear-mongering, you would see an increased rate of excess mortality in places where the societal stress is higher due to the effect that stress plays on the heart.
I'm not a health professional either and I have just enough knowledge of statistics to distrust them. However, if they vaccinated at the same level and the same time, it can't *just* be the vaccine, but your theory is valid. If you combine the effects of the vaccine on the heart and the stress (or lack of it in Sweden) from the COVID policies and media-induced hysteria, it could very well make a difference.
i seem to remember reading that the timing of covid infection and vaccination makes a difference. because sweden had far fewer restrictions they may have had far more infections prior to vaccination, which if memory serves correct, is far better than being vaccinated and then being infected. this could explain some of the difference and still leave vaccines as part of the explanation for higher all cause mortality.
Maybe the spirit of the times can make a significant difference... currently we're encouraging fear and cowardice whereas as during a war you'd be trying to spread hope and courage.
Probably because at that time it wasn't a woke society with Karen's running around. My mother in law was 16 years and lived in England during the war. She was a very tough and strong lady. The one thing she told me that years later the sound of sirens still bothered her.
This is a valid point as well. Our health care system (in the US) is far more inept and corrupt (money-driven) than we admit, and, yes, that could lead to extra deaths. If Sweden is not falling prey to that, they could be seeing better outcomes. We'd have to know how competent the systems are in the surrounding countries.
I posit that the Swedish have much higher levels of vitamin D in the general population and that natural immunity may play into this as well. Interesting to see the puzzle solved
One theory: the lockdowns and other mitigation efforts and negative publicity are killers. In Sweden, where they famously took a different direction, we'd have to assume the news coverage is much different than it is in Germany. Maybe people there are just happier. If true it would mean that mental state has a lot more to do with health than we had previously imagined.
or because of their "no mandated lockdown" status, their people acquired immunity and are happier without lockdowns and are more likely to see drs when needed because of no lockdowns?
A life insurance ceo, in Indiana, made a startling remark when he mentioned that deaths in the 20 - 64 year old age group rose by 40% in quarter three and quarter four 2021. He claimed this was unheard of in his line of work. Vaxx adverse events, suicides, drug overdose? As you have said, deaths one helluva thing to try and hide.
I saw this on one of the Substacks I read, and then the Epoch Times picked it up. The thing with insurance companies, they don't lie. They're not going to spin the numbers because the numbers are their business. But it's frightening.
Life insurance actuary looks at those numbers - it's mostly ODs. The OD rates were bad and worsening before the recent unpleasantness, but the trend has been supercharged with lockdowns and [*gestures around at basically everything*]. The ubiquity of fentanyl makes any uptick in drug use hugely dangerous.
Hopelessness, helplessness and reduction in innate immunity. That is my dark vote which seems in keeping with the graphs and the general way we are heading.
On the bright side: Anyone else smile at the TM for Gatopal? It's the small things. : )
Could it be boosters? Turning your blood into a slurry every 3-6 months seems like a potential problem but I’m just a dummy not one of them oracles called “epidemiologist”
Sweden still supports the vaccine caused deaths theory according to YOUR OWN graph Gato. Around week 15 or 16 Sweden was hitting its highest rate of vaccinations. In your graph above we see a massive drop in the mortality deficit. It is still blue, but the deficit shrinks considerably. It eventually inverts to excess mortality at week 35, but note that in the beginning out October Sweden paused the Moderna vaccine to all younger age groups. That would be week 37 about. That would help keep the orange excess mortality region small and likely scared other age groups/vulnerable away from the vaccine due to the announcement, which likely had the effect of keeping the excess mortality in weeks 35 to 45 relatively under control. The vaccine hypothesis is still highly valid as an excess mortality explanation.
The overall excess mortality for Sweden is an outlier, but it's clear the vaccines are still causing a lot of deaths. Sweden just happened to start 2021 with a big mortality deficit to make the vaccine impact look non-existent, but in fact vaccines were still causing havoc.
One cannot abandon a theory on one counterexample so easily when the theory fits several other countries separated by geographical space and timing in their vaccination campaigns.
After all, we have considerable data over many countries showing that increases in vaccinations lead to considerable increases in covid cases. This possible weakening of the immune system is likely leaking into the death bin for some unfortunate folks.
As far as I know Sweden monitors through an established program their citizen's vit D status.I wonder whether that could be the confounding factor here.
Sweden likely has way more people with prior infection. Perhaps vaccination following an infection doesn’t lead to whatever possible effect vaccination has in someone who hasn’t been infected? Almost like infection is a “vaccine” against whatever bad thing the vaccine does to some people. It’s a totally unsupported hypothesis, but it’s worth thinking about…
Agreed. Infection rates/timing, vaccine types used, and the extent of NPI’s imposed. Those three are the most obvious variances I can think of between the countries in question.
El Gato, those narrowly focused only on the coronavirus will never care about anything else impacting human health and societies because it would destroy their narrative. I would also expect massive pushback and even more absurd claims about the dangers of coronavirus when it's pointed out that all causes death rates are up.
It's known that extreme long-term stress can cause blood clotting and death -- from the high and persistent cortisol levels--see Dr. Malcolm Kendrick for an overview on this. (His book The Clot Thickens.) Perhaps the Swedes have just had far less stress over this whole thing as the their government didn't go crazy. The only one that didn't. Are there other examples of high-vax countires that didn't endure lockdowns and other madness?
Some of the US states avoided lockdowns, but most of those also have lower shot rates too because of a greater sense of personal autonomy and freedom, so they may not be useful comparisons.
True. And with Prez Brandon and his "no Federal Response" Federal mandates, the stress nation-wide has still been very high. Suddenly, living in South Dakota doesn't help you.
Yes, stress levels very high globally thanks to pharma's concern for the world!! Just looking at what they can do to the world's #1 tennis player doesn't help with our outlook on how this playbook ends. It's a shame his famous colleagues don't get out there with him and use their platform - instead the rest of them just want to keep cashing in on corporate endorsements, etc., etc...
How much continuing merit do you see in the "bubble" hypothesis, i.e. heavier lockdown countries back then are paying for it now with weakened general immune systems in their populations? That would be independent of, but often correlated with, vaccine rollouts, with many countries refusing to meaningfully reopen until vaccination campaigns were underway.
So, the Swedes were anti-lockdown. And their people probably acquired immunity and got fresh air and sunshine and exercise which could lower death rates and suicides a smidge. People also hurt each other less if not locked in together. Children do better in dangerous households when they can go to school and see responsible adults on the regular.
Could one factor be that Swedish hospitals don’t assume every single diagnosis is COVID? It keeps happening to my friends here in NE and it could have deadly consequences if it delays an actual life threatening diagnosis.
I would have thought it was the vaxx. But Sweden did vaxx similarly to its neighbours, which makes me ask, what's the difference between Sweden and its neighbours?
The obvious thing is Sweden did not lock down.
So you could maybe argue the difference is the delayed result of lockdowns. People who didn't get screenings for cancer, heart patients who didn't get regular treatment, old people with degenerative disease eho deteriorated and now are dying. Maybe some results of increased drug use and alcoholism.
Stress as a risk multiplier on heart related injection damage could be a factor at play here as well. Nothing exists in a vacuum, reality is spectral and does not neatly fall into categories for a machine to cleanly process.
Hospital policy probably differs nation to nation. Regrettably it’s clear that if not deliberate murder, management policy did increase death rates in spring 2020 in U.K.
I know Italy also made excessive use of mechanical ventilation. I have found this very worrying because covid19 isn’t an obstructive lung disorder.
If blood gasses fall, the classical solution is high flow oxygen mask, NOT intubation & mechanical ventilation. The latter is very dangerous, especially to frail people.
Few know that if you take a cohort of healthy people & sedate/intubate/ventilate, a few days later, you’ll begin seeing deaths from pulmonary oedema & bacterial pneumonia.
It’s also a high skill role, to “fly the patient”, avoiding excessive positive pressure, balancing end tidal pressure etc
I had SpO2 of 57 at the trough in April 2020. I didn't dare go to hospital because I knew they were slaughtering people with premature intubation and misplaced use of high PEEP. I had held off taking the chloroquine I had bought in Jan 2020 but finally any risk was dominated by certain further deterioration. Took chloroquine one night and by next morning SpO2 in 80s and then 90s. Ivermectin helped further.
In any case I don't want to say too much more in public at this stage but I can say that the UK government was made aware already in April 2020 that hospital protocols were killing people. And the case for Hydroxychloroquine did find its way into a memo that went to the highest level in April.
There's more that might be said at the right time and in the right form in the right way.
Thank you for your courage, Dr Yeadon.
Thank God you had those meds. SPO2 57% obviously makes healthcare workers itchy to drop a tube! Glad you pulled through with your own critical care and critical thinking protocol. I think all of the highest levels of government in all countries are well aware of what the treatment protocol SHOULD be, the question is why are they working overtime to suppress them?
Do you have a substack Dr Yeadon? would love to hear more from you.
I don’t. To be honest, I’m very tired after almost 20 months of this.
I’m doing more interviews again including a long session with Reiner Fuellmich’s Corona Committee today.
I just don’t want to write articles.
There’s nothing more to say: this has been the biggest crime in history, it’s a global coup d’etat of the liberal democracies.
We’re either going to stand up, cross our arms & say “Were not complying. I’m arresting you for crimes against humanity” or we’re going to be enslaved.
It’s that simple. We need political leaders to join with scientists, medics, lawyers, ethicists plus anyone with a spine.
Doctor, what if you and a few others of similar unassailable qualification were to come up with some simple, easily understandable leaflets, in tablets of perhaps sticky-note type. Some graphs and explanations to counter the official narrative. There could be an army of leafleteers posting the truth wherever people might see them. I would be one of that army. Sell them for whatever is necessary. There are millions of potential soldiers. Maybe pass the idea on to your peers? It would be something we could all do to contribute to the war effort.
It was someone else’s idea—can’t recall who. But it seems like a good thing to try.
I was thinking the same, like the gas pump stickers of President Pudding pointing at the gas price and saying "I did that!" Guerilla marketing, low-tech and in places people naturally look. Grocery & church bulletin boards, gas pumps, ATMs,
Sounds like the White Rose movement/initiative: "Coupling youthful idealism with an impressive knowledge of German literature and Christian religious teachings, the students published their beliefs in a series of leaflets under the name “the White Rose” (and later as “Leaflets of the Resistance”)."- https://www.britannica.com/topic/White-Rose
Thank you for sending that. I wasn’t aware of the White Rose story. Yes, it seems quite similar, sadly.
It would be better if such an effort began sooner rather than later.
Thanks for all your work. Glad that you’re still connected with the Corona Committee.The truth will prevail and more are speaking up. Bless you.
He has a telegram channel with Robin Monotti
Good idea. I'd subscribe to a substack --even pay.
Hear hear!
If I can’t visit the pub you might frequent hoping to overhear your conversations and maybe “have a pint with you, sir”, I’d gladly visit your substack—and have a pint at home.
Agree!
Me too.
Surprised and pleased to see your comment. Been following your urgent pleas and warnings from the very beginning. Appreciate your Lionheart! Stay well!
Not a health professional here, but this does make sense to me. Another possible confounder I see in the case of Sweden is a stress level difference. If what I've read is correct, Sweden has been very light on the lockdown spectrum—especially if we look at lockdowns from a relative perspective, what is normal, everyday life to the average Swede would likely feel very restrictive to the average Brit and definitely to the average American.
Since it is known that the mRna vaccines have side effects that appear to most commonly affect the heart, it seems like a no-brainer that if you combine that with elevated stress levels due to lockdown/fear-mongering, you would see an increased rate of excess mortality in places where the societal stress is higher.
The UK, for example, which had one of Europe's longest lockdowns last year coupled with high vaccination rates, has been seeing a rise in heart attacks and strokes. And -- I kid you not -- the press has attributed it to "Post Pandemic Stress Disorder".
You have been one of the few sober, sane, and brave voices throughout this criminally induced misery. Thank you very much, sir. My proverbial hat is off to you.
With regards to Italy I remember reading a long time ago just after the pandemic was underway that the old people especially in the area of Milan had been given a high dose flu shot in late 2019. There was some debate about this being a possible reason for so many of their deaths after getting covid. Have you heard anything about this.
I’m afraid I haven’t. I was involved in urgent discussions on advisability or otherwise of heavy use of mechanic ventilation.
Death rates in the Highlands of Scotland are ten times higher than in the city of Glasgow: and when you drill down into deprived neighbourhoods the difference becomes even more marked: there is a powerful link between urban deprivation and death here, and we need to ask why.
We also need to ask why vast parts of Africa are largely unaffected.
However it it non-covid deaths which are elevated, whereas covid deaths are down. It is possible that ventilation injury is a factor if there has been an increase in covid-like illnesses that are being vented. We would need to see a breakdown of causes of death. From anecdotal reports in the US, nurses are seeing an increase in cardiovascular events.
TheLaw, are you suggesting that people who were vented to treat covid over the last two years may have had latent ventilator injury to their lungs which flared up with anew illness?
No, I was trying to clarify el gato's question, which was: why has there been an increase in non-covid deaths in recent months, except for Sweden? One proposal is that non-Swedish hospitals killed patients with improper venting. While I am sure many covid patients worldwide died this way, I don't think venting is killing non-covid patients. UNLESS there has been a rise in CLIs (covid-like-illness, aka pneumonias) that are being improperly vented.
Are nurses being fired, and quitting. Not enough skilled nurses guarantees improper ventilation.
At first blush, it might plausibly be the vaccines. It’s certainly a new factor over the last year & VAERS tells us of harms.
On the other hand, assignment of cause of death is problematic. So I don’t really know what has killed these people. I’m not sure anyone does.
It could be that in 2020 they put out lot of death certificates with Covid even though it had nothing to do with it. That may explain lesser deaths from Covid in 2021.
"Sounds like the goddamned Spanish Inquisition to me." https://youtu.be/Ssq8wHAx4nE
Sweden is interesting. If they have similar vaccination rates, then really you've eliminated the vaccine as a variable, or at least the deciding variable (I know science probably has a better term). The one thing Sweden did have was a much looser COVID policy and they took a much more sane attitude toward the whole thing. So as much as I hate the vaccine and think it's dangerous, we've never really gotten this hysterical over a virus before and shut people away, ruined their businesses, thrown the lives of nearly an entire globe into chaos. One could hypothesize that COVID policy is the determining factor here, not vaccination. That the policy has caused so much mental anguish, lack of movement (physical fitness), delayed treatment, etc., that it's literally killing people even two years on.
One could also suppose that because Sweden's policy was looser, more people got mild infections of COVID and COVID was more widespread, so biologically perhaps getting COVID protected people from the worse side effects of the vaccine.
Sweden suffered a high rate of mortality for their elderly populations early in the pandemic. That was admitted to by Dr. Giesecke and Anders Tegnell, their chief epidemiologist. It could be that that contributed to later lack of all-cause deaths (the "deadwood" was already burnt, if you excuse my phrase). Also, because of the permissive social interaction atmosphere compared to most other countries it is entirely possible that Sweden developed more widespread natural immunity than most, and subsequent herd immunity reduced Covid deaths.
Except, as I've seen on this Substack or another one I follow, there were no excess deaths in Sweden in 2019, 2020, nor 2021, so it would seem no more elderly people died than would have typically died in a year, which throws a monkey wrench into your theory. And in the other countries, the people aren't dying of COVID in many cases. They're just, well, dying. And it's not just the elderly. It's all the age groups. So it's not COVID that's causing the excess deaths.
Most likely there wasn't actually much change in overall mortality, including for the older, more susceptible. But the timing was probably altered with a shift to earlier death for some due to Covid at the expense of other causes, which decreased. Subsequently widespread immunity due to the lack of lockdowns, etc. slowed that mortality bump and that is ongoing, precisely as Dr. Giesecke predicted way back in April 2020. See this article: https://anti-empire.com/sweden-has-had-negative-excess-mortality-since-the-start-of-2020/
Also, there was a reason for that bump. A large number of elderly Swedes live in nursing homes that are pretty crowded and staffed in large part by recent immigrants who admittedly (by Anders Tegnell) were not adequately trained in methods to protect this vulnerable population. He repeatedly said that that particular part of his strategy failed. They didn't adequately protect the vulnerable elderly.
I'm not sure that article says what you think it does. However, I've heard also that Sweden did not "take care of it's vulnerable population." However, I find the idea (that they died more from COVID and less from other things) suspect. The only real number we care about is overall deaths. You can count deaths as from anything, but the one thing you can't do is mess with how many deaths occurred. If we really had a virus that was particularly deadly to elderly people (versus one that was simply taking those that were already at the end of their lives and would have died anyway in short order), you should see a sharp rise in excess deaths as the elderly that would have survived for another year or two died that year, and then you should see a sharp drop in deaths the following years as those that would have died are already gone. None of that is evident in Sweden.
Furthermore, I read on one of Alex Berenson's substacks a letter from a nurse in Washington saying that they closed nursing homes there because they thought they would lose up to 25% of their residents. Funny thing, they still lost 25% of their residents by the time it was over. They didn't die from COVID; they simply gave up and died from loneliness and isolation.
I do agree however that Sweden was on the right track and that maybe they could have done a better job "protection the elderly," but honestly you look at Florida here or the nurse's example from Washington, and they might have saved a few elderly from dying from COVID, but lost them to the same thing we did, loneliness. The issue is always so much more complicated than one variable.
Excess deaths in 2019 is irrelevant, that is pre-pandemic. Deaths in Sweden did go considerably up 2019->2020, when the some of the elderly with comorbidities were wiped out. Death rate from Covid has been reasonable, so it won't show much "excess", given the death rates have been on a down slope for some decades rendering the average perhaps " too high".
1900 "extra" deaths in Sweden is hardly "wiped out." This sounds more like "spin" as in all this mainstream articles about "why Sweden did a horrible job at balancing COVID and people's need to keep living and killed all its old people even though they're nearly all still alive so whatever you do don't look at Sweden and wonder, why couldn't we have done that?"
^ I vote for this explanation. I remember the elderly in Sweden got hit really hard.
Not a health professional here, but I think this could be an over-simplification. A possible catalyst in the other countries when compared with Sweden is a stress level difference. If what I've read is correct, Sweden has been very light on the lockdown spectrum—especially if we look at lockdowns from a relative perspective, what is normal, everyday life to the average Swede would likely feel very restrictive to the average Brit and definitely to the average American.
Since it is known that the mRna vaccines have side effects that appear to most commonly affect the heart, it seems like a no-brainer that if you combine that with elevated stress levels due to lockdown/fear-mongering, you would see an increased rate of excess mortality in places where the societal stress is higher due to the effect that stress plays on the heart.
I'm not a health professional either and I have just enough knowledge of statistics to distrust them. However, if they vaccinated at the same level and the same time, it can't *just* be the vaccine, but your theory is valid. If you combine the effects of the vaccine on the heart and the stress (or lack of it in Sweden) from the COVID policies and media-induced hysteria, it could very well make a difference.
i seem to remember reading that the timing of covid infection and vaccination makes a difference. because sweden had far fewer restrictions they may have had far more infections prior to vaccination, which if memory serves correct, is far better than being vaccinated and then being infected. this could explain some of the difference and still leave vaccines as part of the explanation for higher all cause mortality.
I don't know though. Excess deaths didn't happen during the Blitz in London...with stress and panic every night of the bombings...
Maybe the spirit of the times can make a significant difference... currently we're encouraging fear and cowardice whereas as during a war you'd be trying to spread hope and courage.
Good point. Where is Churchill when we need him lol.
Correction: meant to say she was 16 years old at the height of the war. Sorry for the typo. Have been on a lot of substacks today.
Don't be silly we got you!
Thanks. I hate making typos. You just put a smile on my face😍
Probably because at that time it wasn't a woke society with Karen's running around. My mother in law was 16 years and lived in England during the war. She was a very tough and strong lady. The one thing she told me that years later the sound of sirens still bothered her.
This is in conjunction with the vaccines, so since they didn’t have these vaccines at that time, their hearts could handle it.
Good reasoning. I like your hypotheses.
What was Sweden's appraoch to Ivermectin/Hydroxy and early treatment..plus what were their hospital protocols???
Because our protocols are KILLING people. Remdesivir (Rundeathisnear) plus intubation. Not even an ASPIRIN allowed,,,for a clotting disease.
This is a valid point as well. Our health care system (in the US) is far more inept and corrupt (money-driven) than we admit, and, yes, that could lead to extra deaths. If Sweden is not falling prey to that, they could be seeing better outcomes. We'd have to know how competent the systems are in the surrounding countries.
I've been in contact with a couple of doctors in Sweden. I'm guessing that IVM and HCQ were not used in a widespread fashion.
I posit that the Swedish have much higher levels of vitamin D in the general population and that natural immunity may play into this as well. Interesting to see the puzzle solved
I'd add air pollution as a variable https://www.thelocal.se/20190307/swedens-air-quality-among-the-best-in-the-world-study/ How does Sweden compare to Finland etc. Just one variable though.
One theory: the lockdowns and other mitigation efforts and negative publicity are killers. In Sweden, where they famously took a different direction, we'd have to assume the news coverage is much different than it is in Germany. Maybe people there are just happier. If true it would mean that mental state has a lot more to do with health than we had previously imagined.
or because of their "no mandated lockdown" status, their people acquired immunity and are happier without lockdowns and are more likely to see drs when needed because of no lockdowns?
That was my thought.
A life insurance ceo, in Indiana, made a startling remark when he mentioned that deaths in the 20 - 64 year old age group rose by 40% in quarter three and quarter four 2021. He claimed this was unheard of in his line of work. Vaxx adverse events, suicides, drug overdose? As you have said, deaths one helluva thing to try and hide.
I saw this on one of the Substacks I read, and then the Epoch Times picked it up. The thing with insurance companies, they don't lie. They're not going to spin the numbers because the numbers are their business. But it's frightening.
It was (working age) 18-65 year olds, the company is OneAmerica & he specified it wasn't due to Covid deaths.
He also stated that a *10%* rise is a "1 in 200 year event"!
So 4 of them...all at once.
Uptick also in short term followed by long term disability claims.
Life insurance actuary looks at those numbers - it's mostly ODs. The OD rates were bad and worsening before the recent unpleasantness, but the trend has been supercharged with lockdowns and [*gestures around at basically everything*]. The ubiquity of fentanyl makes any uptick in drug use hugely dangerous.
https://marypatcampbell.substack.com/p/excess-mortality-for-working-age?r=ms50d&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Hopelessness, helplessness and reduction in innate immunity. That is my dark vote which seems in keeping with the graphs and the general way we are heading.
On the bright side: Anyone else smile at the TM for Gatopal? It's the small things. : )
Could it be boosters? Turning your blood into a slurry every 3-6 months seems like a potential problem but I’m just a dummy not one of them oracles called “epidemiologist”
Sweden still supports the vaccine caused deaths theory according to YOUR OWN graph Gato. Around week 15 or 16 Sweden was hitting its highest rate of vaccinations. In your graph above we see a massive drop in the mortality deficit. It is still blue, but the deficit shrinks considerably. It eventually inverts to excess mortality at week 35, but note that in the beginning out October Sweden paused the Moderna vaccine to all younger age groups. That would be week 37 about. That would help keep the orange excess mortality region small and likely scared other age groups/vulnerable away from the vaccine due to the announcement, which likely had the effect of keeping the excess mortality in weeks 35 to 45 relatively under control. The vaccine hypothesis is still highly valid as an excess mortality explanation.
The overall excess mortality for Sweden is an outlier, but it's clear the vaccines are still causing a lot of deaths. Sweden just happened to start 2021 with a big mortality deficit to make the vaccine impact look non-existent, but in fact vaccines were still causing havoc.
One cannot abandon a theory on one counterexample so easily when the theory fits several other countries separated by geographical space and timing in their vaccination campaigns.
After all, we have considerable data over many countries showing that increases in vaccinations lead to considerable increases in covid cases. This possible weakening of the immune system is likely leaking into the death bin for some unfortunate folks.
As far as I know Sweden monitors through an established program their citizen's vit D status.I wonder whether that could be the confounding factor here.
Really? Perhaps the CDC could do that? Nah. Never would push that.
Finland ("the vitamin D pioneer", with fortification of milk products since 2003) should then be interesting to look at.
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Sweden likely has way more people with prior infection. Perhaps vaccination following an infection doesn’t lead to whatever possible effect vaccination has in someone who hasn’t been infected? Almost like infection is a “vaccine” against whatever bad thing the vaccine does to some people. It’s a totally unsupported hypothesis, but it’s worth thinking about…
Agreed. Infection rates/timing, vaccine types used, and the extent of NPI’s imposed. Those three are the most obvious variances I can think of between the countries in question.
From what Robert Malone said it's the opposite. Side effects are worse after infection.
El Gato, those narrowly focused only on the coronavirus will never care about anything else impacting human health and societies because it would destroy their narrative. I would also expect massive pushback and even more absurd claims about the dangers of coronavirus when it's pointed out that all causes death rates are up.
It's known that extreme long-term stress can cause blood clotting and death -- from the high and persistent cortisol levels--see Dr. Malcolm Kendrick for an overview on this. (His book The Clot Thickens.) Perhaps the Swedes have just had far less stress over this whole thing as the their government didn't go crazy. The only one that didn't. Are there other examples of high-vax countires that didn't endure lockdowns and other madness?
Some of the US states avoided lockdowns, but most of those also have lower shot rates too because of a greater sense of personal autonomy and freedom, so they may not be useful comparisons.
True. And with Prez Brandon and his "no Federal Response" Federal mandates, the stress nation-wide has still been very high. Suddenly, living in South Dakota doesn't help you.
Yes, stress levels very high globally thanks to pharma's concern for the world!! Just looking at what they can do to the world's #1 tennis player doesn't help with our outlook on how this playbook ends. It's a shame his famous colleagues don't get out there with him and use their platform - instead the rest of them just want to keep cashing in on corporate endorsements, etc., etc...
I live in South Dakota and I can assure you that it helps a lot in comparison to blue states. People are way less uptight here.
How much continuing merit do you see in the "bubble" hypothesis, i.e. heavier lockdown countries back then are paying for it now with weakened general immune systems in their populations? That would be independent of, but often correlated with, vaccine rollouts, with many countries refusing to meaningfully reopen until vaccination campaigns were underway.
Is Sweden kind of a control group?
Am I reading this right?
So, the Swedes were anti-lockdown. And their people probably acquired immunity and got fresh air and sunshine and exercise which could lower death rates and suicides a smidge. People also hurt each other less if not locked in together. Children do better in dangerous households when they can go to school and see responsible adults on the regular.
and so on?
For a lower all cause death rate?
Perhaps lower jab complications?
Is this a "deaths of despair" signal?
I bet that too. A lovely person I know jumped out of her high rise apartment in Nov. That was despair after her husband died 4 days after first jab.
That's heartbreaking💔
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Could one factor be that Swedish hospitals don’t assume every single diagnosis is COVID? It keeps happening to my friends here in NE and it could have deadly consequences if it delays an actual life threatening diagnosis.
I would have thought it was the vaxx. But Sweden did vaxx similarly to its neighbours, which makes me ask, what's the difference between Sweden and its neighbours?
The obvious thing is Sweden did not lock down.
So you could maybe argue the difference is the delayed result of lockdowns. People who didn't get screenings for cancer, heart patients who didn't get regular treatment, old people with degenerative disease eho deteriorated and now are dying. Maybe some results of increased drug use and alcoholism.
Finland has been quite moderate as well, so that doesn't explain it fully.
Stress as a risk multiplier on heart related injection damage could be a factor at play here as well. Nothing exists in a vacuum, reality is spectral and does not neatly fall into categories for a machine to cleanly process.
Some interesting observations here that may help explain the mysterious differences between various countries, including Sweden. It's long, but well worth the read. https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/01/the-false-god-of-central-planning.html
That is a fantastic read!
Agree!