Hospital policy probably differs nation to nation. Regrettably it’s clear that if not deliberate murder, management policy did increase death rates in spring 2020 in U.K.
I know Italy also made excessive use of mechanical ventilation. I have found this very worrying because covid19 isn’t an obstructive lung disorder.
If blood gasses fall, the classical solution is high flow oxygen mask, NOT intubation & mechanical ventilation. The latter is very dangerous, especially to frail people.
Few know that if you take a cohort of healthy people & sedate/intubate/ventilate, a few days later, you’ll begin seeing deaths from pulmonary oedema & bacterial pneumonia.
It’s also a high skill role, to “fly the patient”, avoiding excessive positive pressure, balancing end tidal pressure etc
Sweden is interesting. If they have similar vaccination rates, then really you've eliminated the vaccine as a variable, or at least the deciding variable (I know science probably has a better term). The one thing Sweden did have was a much looser COVID policy and they took a much more sane attitude toward the whole thing. So as much as I hate the vaccine and think it's dangerous, we've never really gotten this hysterical over a virus before and shut people away, ruined their businesses, thrown the lives of nearly an entire globe into chaos. One could hypothesize that COVID policy is the determining factor here, not vaccination. That the policy has caused so much mental anguish, lack of movement (physical fitness), delayed treatment, etc., that it's literally killing people even two years on.
One could also suppose that because Sweden's policy was looser, more people got mild infections of COVID and COVID was more widespread, so biologically perhaps getting COVID protected people from the worse side effects of the vaccine.
One theory: the lockdowns and other mitigation efforts and negative publicity are killers. In Sweden, where they famously took a different direction, we'd have to assume the news coverage is much different than it is in Germany. Maybe people there are just happier. If true it would mean that mental state has a lot more to do with health than we had previously imagined.
A life insurance ceo, in Indiana, made a startling remark when he mentioned that deaths in the 20 - 64 year old age group rose by 40% in quarter three and quarter four 2021. He claimed this was unheard of in his line of work. Vaxx adverse events, suicides, drug overdose? As you have said, deaths one helluva thing to try and hide.
Hopelessness, helplessness and reduction in innate immunity. That is my dark vote which seems in keeping with the graphs and the general way we are heading.
On the bright side: Anyone else smile at the TM for Gatopal? It's the small things. : )
Could it be boosters? Turning your blood into a slurry every 3-6 months seems like a potential problem but I’m just a dummy not one of them oracles called “epidemiologist”
Sweden still supports the vaccine caused deaths theory according to YOUR OWN graph Gato. Around week 15 or 16 Sweden was hitting its highest rate of vaccinations. In your graph above we see a massive drop in the mortality deficit. It is still blue, but the deficit shrinks considerably. It eventually inverts to excess mortality at week 35, but note that in the beginning out October Sweden paused the Moderna vaccine to all younger age groups. That would be week 37 about. That would help keep the orange excess mortality region small and likely scared other age groups/vulnerable away from the vaccine due to the announcement, which likely had the effect of keeping the excess mortality in weeks 35 to 45 relatively under control. The vaccine hypothesis is still highly valid as an excess mortality explanation.
The overall excess mortality for Sweden is an outlier, but it's clear the vaccines are still causing a lot of deaths. Sweden just happened to start 2021 with a big mortality deficit to make the vaccine impact look non-existent, but in fact vaccines were still causing havoc.
One cannot abandon a theory on one counterexample so easily when the theory fits several other countries separated by geographical space and timing in their vaccination campaigns.
After all, we have considerable data over many countries showing that increases in vaccinations lead to considerable increases in covid cases. This possible weakening of the immune system is likely leaking into the death bin for some unfortunate folks.
As far as I know Sweden monitors through an established program their citizen's vit D status.I wonder whether that could be the confounding factor here.
Sweden likely has way more people with prior infection. Perhaps vaccination following an infection doesn’t lead to whatever possible effect vaccination has in someone who hasn’t been infected? Almost like infection is a “vaccine” against whatever bad thing the vaccine does to some people. It’s a totally unsupported hypothesis, but it’s worth thinking about…
El Gato, those narrowly focused only on the coronavirus will never care about anything else impacting human health and societies because it would destroy their narrative. I would also expect massive pushback and even more absurd claims about the dangers of coronavirus when it's pointed out that all causes death rates are up.
It's known that extreme long-term stress can cause blood clotting and death -- from the high and persistent cortisol levels--see Dr. Malcolm Kendrick for an overview on this. (His book The Clot Thickens.) Perhaps the Swedes have just had far less stress over this whole thing as the their government didn't go crazy. The only one that didn't. Are there other examples of high-vax countires that didn't endure lockdowns and other madness?
How much continuing merit do you see in the "bubble" hypothesis, i.e. heavier lockdown countries back then are paying for it now with weakened general immune systems in their populations? That would be independent of, but often correlated with, vaccine rollouts, with many countries refusing to meaningfully reopen until vaccination campaigns were underway.
So, the Swedes were anti-lockdown. And their people probably acquired immunity and got fresh air and sunshine and exercise which could lower death rates and suicides a smidge. People also hurt each other less if not locked in together. Children do better in dangerous households when they can go to school and see responsible adults on the regular.
Could one factor be that Swedish hospitals don’t assume every single diagnosis is COVID? It keeps happening to my friends here in NE and it could have deadly consequences if it delays an actual life threatening diagnosis.
I would have thought it was the vaxx. But Sweden did vaxx similarly to its neighbours, which makes me ask, what's the difference between Sweden and its neighbours?
The obvious thing is Sweden did not lock down.
So you could maybe argue the difference is the delayed result of lockdowns. People who didn't get screenings for cancer, heart patients who didn't get regular treatment, old people with degenerative disease eho deteriorated and now are dying. Maybe some results of increased drug use and alcoholism.
Hospital policy probably differs nation to nation. Regrettably it’s clear that if not deliberate murder, management policy did increase death rates in spring 2020 in U.K.
I know Italy also made excessive use of mechanical ventilation. I have found this very worrying because covid19 isn’t an obstructive lung disorder.
If blood gasses fall, the classical solution is high flow oxygen mask, NOT intubation & mechanical ventilation. The latter is very dangerous, especially to frail people.
Few know that if you take a cohort of healthy people & sedate/intubate/ventilate, a few days later, you’ll begin seeing deaths from pulmonary oedema & bacterial pneumonia.
It’s also a high skill role, to “fly the patient”, avoiding excessive positive pressure, balancing end tidal pressure etc
Sweden is interesting. If they have similar vaccination rates, then really you've eliminated the vaccine as a variable, or at least the deciding variable (I know science probably has a better term). The one thing Sweden did have was a much looser COVID policy and they took a much more sane attitude toward the whole thing. So as much as I hate the vaccine and think it's dangerous, we've never really gotten this hysterical over a virus before and shut people away, ruined their businesses, thrown the lives of nearly an entire globe into chaos. One could hypothesize that COVID policy is the determining factor here, not vaccination. That the policy has caused so much mental anguish, lack of movement (physical fitness), delayed treatment, etc., that it's literally killing people even two years on.
One could also suppose that because Sweden's policy was looser, more people got mild infections of COVID and COVID was more widespread, so biologically perhaps getting COVID protected people from the worse side effects of the vaccine.
One theory: the lockdowns and other mitigation efforts and negative publicity are killers. In Sweden, where they famously took a different direction, we'd have to assume the news coverage is much different than it is in Germany. Maybe people there are just happier. If true it would mean that mental state has a lot more to do with health than we had previously imagined.
A life insurance ceo, in Indiana, made a startling remark when he mentioned that deaths in the 20 - 64 year old age group rose by 40% in quarter three and quarter four 2021. He claimed this was unheard of in his line of work. Vaxx adverse events, suicides, drug overdose? As you have said, deaths one helluva thing to try and hide.
Hopelessness, helplessness and reduction in innate immunity. That is my dark vote which seems in keeping with the graphs and the general way we are heading.
On the bright side: Anyone else smile at the TM for Gatopal? It's the small things. : )
Could it be boosters? Turning your blood into a slurry every 3-6 months seems like a potential problem but I’m just a dummy not one of them oracles called “epidemiologist”
Sweden still supports the vaccine caused deaths theory according to YOUR OWN graph Gato. Around week 15 or 16 Sweden was hitting its highest rate of vaccinations. In your graph above we see a massive drop in the mortality deficit. It is still blue, but the deficit shrinks considerably. It eventually inverts to excess mortality at week 35, but note that in the beginning out October Sweden paused the Moderna vaccine to all younger age groups. That would be week 37 about. That would help keep the orange excess mortality region small and likely scared other age groups/vulnerable away from the vaccine due to the announcement, which likely had the effect of keeping the excess mortality in weeks 35 to 45 relatively under control. The vaccine hypothesis is still highly valid as an excess mortality explanation.
The overall excess mortality for Sweden is an outlier, but it's clear the vaccines are still causing a lot of deaths. Sweden just happened to start 2021 with a big mortality deficit to make the vaccine impact look non-existent, but in fact vaccines were still causing havoc.
One cannot abandon a theory on one counterexample so easily when the theory fits several other countries separated by geographical space and timing in their vaccination campaigns.
After all, we have considerable data over many countries showing that increases in vaccinations lead to considerable increases in covid cases. This possible weakening of the immune system is likely leaking into the death bin for some unfortunate folks.
As far as I know Sweden monitors through an established program their citizen's vit D status.I wonder whether that could be the confounding factor here.
Sweden likely has way more people with prior infection. Perhaps vaccination following an infection doesn’t lead to whatever possible effect vaccination has in someone who hasn’t been infected? Almost like infection is a “vaccine” against whatever bad thing the vaccine does to some people. It’s a totally unsupported hypothesis, but it’s worth thinking about…
El Gato, those narrowly focused only on the coronavirus will never care about anything else impacting human health and societies because it would destroy their narrative. I would also expect massive pushback and even more absurd claims about the dangers of coronavirus when it's pointed out that all causes death rates are up.
It's known that extreme long-term stress can cause blood clotting and death -- from the high and persistent cortisol levels--see Dr. Malcolm Kendrick for an overview on this. (His book The Clot Thickens.) Perhaps the Swedes have just had far less stress over this whole thing as the their government didn't go crazy. The only one that didn't. Are there other examples of high-vax countires that didn't endure lockdowns and other madness?
How much continuing merit do you see in the "bubble" hypothesis, i.e. heavier lockdown countries back then are paying for it now with weakened general immune systems in their populations? That would be independent of, but often correlated with, vaccine rollouts, with many countries refusing to meaningfully reopen until vaccination campaigns were underway.
Is Sweden kind of a control group?
Am I reading this right?
So, the Swedes were anti-lockdown. And their people probably acquired immunity and got fresh air and sunshine and exercise which could lower death rates and suicides a smidge. People also hurt each other less if not locked in together. Children do better in dangerous households when they can go to school and see responsible adults on the regular.
and so on?
For a lower all cause death rate?
Perhaps lower jab complications?
Could one factor be that Swedish hospitals don’t assume every single diagnosis is COVID? It keeps happening to my friends here in NE and it could have deadly consequences if it delays an actual life threatening diagnosis.
I would have thought it was the vaxx. But Sweden did vaxx similarly to its neighbours, which makes me ask, what's the difference between Sweden and its neighbours?
The obvious thing is Sweden did not lock down.
So you could maybe argue the difference is the delayed result of lockdowns. People who didn't get screenings for cancer, heart patients who didn't get regular treatment, old people with degenerative disease eho deteriorated and now are dying. Maybe some results of increased drug use and alcoholism.
Some interesting observations here that may help explain the mysterious differences between various countries, including Sweden. It's long, but well worth the read. https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/01/the-false-god-of-central-planning.html