Rolling Out a mass vaccination campaign of healthy not at risk people as the seasonal spike in January and February was diminishing was a really stupid reckless thing to do. Now we’re going to go into the North American winter with the vaccine efficacy feeding at millions of elderly at risk people at seriously increased risk of severe disease. And then they’re going to force us to lockdown mask up and rule out boosters. And then there could be massive side effects and problems from these boosters like ADE.
It’s a systemic failure. Entire world government/public health organization in the west in particular has revealed itself to be a complete inept failure
the cover up of hard data, the warped definition of "unvaxxed" as per CDC directives, the refusal of hospitals to treat patients with Ivermectin, HCQ, etc. leads us to suspect an ulterior agenda that has nothing to do with health. Otherwise, why not acknowledge natural immunity like they do in Europe and other countries?
Agree. We will provide the recent historical record of the "authorities" proclaiming that the vaccinated are "100% protected from hospitalization and death" and they and their braindead acolytes will scream "DELTA" and they will carry on with this hysterical madness.
Every crisis has an iconic voice, and I am pretty convinced that the voice of this crisis is this renegade biologist, streaming every night from Pittsburg, PA, telling us stories about corruption, biology and immunology.
At some point in the future there will be songs with this man voices, THIS is how over the target this man is...
I tried to explain this to my kool-aide drinking fully vaxxed cousin a couple months ago when she and her friend were celebrating very low case levels in our county NW of Philadelphia. She did not react well. The jabs will face the test this Fall and Winter...just as their efficacy is dropping like a rock. No wonder they're in a hurry for the booster.
Dr. Gandhi comes fromMD/MPH world where they are given a single hammer, medical/behavioral interventions targeting individuals, and think that this is all they need to know about disease prevention. She is also from the HIV world, which means Fauci/Gates money. So it is simply beyond her capacities of comprehension to imagine that a pharmaceutical intervention won't work. She also does not seem to understand that from the get go this was a hokey “vaccine” with no real history of use or previous study. I would go further and suggest that this particular virus itself is poorly understood (do we understand any of them, really?) and so any and all interventions so far were nothing more than wild assed guesses about how to be the great heroes of disease mitigation. What is missing from Gandhi's ilk is any notion of ecology and complex systems and that all population level processes reflect ecology and complex systems, no silly little injection program is likely to have much or any effect on a seasonal respiratory virus. They should know this from the dismal record of flu vaccines, but lacking any ecological understanding, they simply cannot know this. So, like a deranged version of King Cnut, they hold steadfast in their thrones on the edge of surf and command the rising tide to recede, “I command you, oh nature, in the name of the Vaxx and NPI, you shall not wet my feet!”. Believing that this time, yes this time things will be different than the day before.
That’s the same excuse here in BC, the “unvaxxed” filling up the ICUs. Problem is, their own stats are betraying the narrative. Two weeks ago, it was 91% unjabbed. This week, it was 75% unjabbed. Trending which way now? Funny how the media ignores bad trends and moves on.
More information needed (I'm not from BC). If, say, 200 out of 1000 BCers were unvaccinated and 18 of them were in ICU against just 2 of the 800 vaccinated, that would be 90% of the 20 in ICU. If, this week, 100 more BCers were vaxxed and the same proportion of the remained were in ICU, with one of the previously unvaxxed now in ICU alongside the other 2, there would now be 9 out of 12 in ICU who are unvaxxed, which is 75% of the ICU, with no change in the incidence of severe effects to either party.
Of course, these hypothetical figures probably don't reflect the real situation since they require the ICU totals to almost halve, which I suspect is not happening. But they do show that a decrease in percentage of unvaxxed ICU patients does not by itself prove that the vaxxed people are becoming less at risk.
What do you think about the idea that the variations in genetic sequence of Covid that define variants like delta and mu and lamba Are so minor, like 1% or less difference among the genetic sequences, that these differences are so minor has to be clinically insignificant.?
Fair enough, she does often take a middle and reasonable position. I would simply say that the understanding of the problem cannot advance without the inclusion of those with ecological expertise, in addition to real social scientists. Sunetra Gupta, for example, on the side of ecology. Monica seems to exemplify the rather narrow range of expertise who have been influential in the overall policy making apparatus thus far.
She was talking about vaccinating her young child a while back. I question the intelligence and sanity of any parent...let alone an MD...who would do that. And, yes, I'm questioning the sanity of a lot of people these days.
Yes, it’s easy to conclude a sanity issue, but it’s a fear issue, irrational fear. Critical thinking shuts down when one is entranced by fear. Think Stockholm Syndrome. And yes, we are all surrounded by these once, thoughtful, friendly people, who are now more like the secret police. Former friends have become distant, neighbours keep their distance, like We are the ones with the Black Plague. Instead, they may be the ones to suffer from a variety of maladies, or worse if virologist VanDenBossche PhD continues to be correct. We remain vigilant and resilient in these bizarre times.
"I would go further and suggest that this particular virus itself is poorly understood (do we understand any of them, really?"
Exactly, the work of discovering and defining benign viral encounters was never finished (and its progress was never explicitly acknowledged) so humans have been trying to decipher the "pathology" of SARS-CoV-2 without a proper reference point, as well as simultaneously declaring distinctions between the autoimmune dangers of the virus and a vaccine impossible based on an assumption that these dangers somehow "belong" to the virus itself.
I have a very strict "No peeing on the floor" policy, but my new puppy completely disregards the rules. The policy has worked for years and years until he showed up, so I'm thinking of upping the punishment until he complies.
Alberta is one to look at. 73% double vaxxed, 83% at least one shot. So… they’re having their worst Covid hospitalizations of the entire crisis. The focus in Canada is very much on Alberta’s daft PM having theatrically reopened this summer and then reversing completely, accepting blame for the surge and apologizing.
There is no mainstream discussion of the fact that the vaccines are the principal actors in Alberta’s drama, as vaccines were explicitly the rationale for their reopening. How can vaccines be off the hook for not even putting a dent in population-wide severe outcomes, despite the vast majority of the population being “protected”? Instead of confronting this reality, people are cheering as vaccine passports sweep the nation.
the problem is the intense level of censorship of any scientist, researcher, or medical expert that questions safety or efficacy. This is the strongest indicator of an agenda that has nothing to do with public health. Here in the USA, evening news spend a good 20 mins on covid (schools, vax clinics, $$ on new studies, "safe & effective" propaganda, etc.). NEVER a mention of worldwide protests, Australia's tyrannical police state, local rallies against mandates/passports, or vax injured young people. Never a thoughtful analysis of all cause deaths. Never an interview of frontline doctors nor immunologist. NEVER coverage on autopsies of young people who died within days of the jabs. This is a freaking nightmare.
Its true. Its a mass hysteria. And there are very evil nefarious groups of people who are exploiting it. I have a hard time however accepting We’re believing that this was some planned scheme to depopulate the earth Or enslave billions of people. What we are witnessing is the Tendency of political bureaucratic organizations to become tyrannical when they become too large and powerful and centralized. The framers of the American Constitution recognized this tendency. Orwell wrote about it Huxley wrote about it. When you have one group of people making decisions for an entire society it increases the risk of systemic failure because what if they’re wrong
I would agree with you IF there were more than just a handful of billionaires influencing the WEF, W.H.O., and other global entities. Unfortunately, the level of cohesion and influence exercised by this group (what Dr. Reiner Fuellmich calls "Mr. Global) leaves a trail that's hard to ignore. Again, look at Australia and the current police state. Does that level of violence towards their own citizens seem to be about their health and safety?
Kenney could have been a hero, and instructed Dheensaw to explore the use of IVM, using India and Indonesia as prime examples of efficacy. Instead, he showed his true colours (again) as a cowardly narcissist.
mainstream legacy media has adopted a business model where all they care about is short term "trending" on social media. If they release a story that distorts the truth and is full of misrepresentations and lies but is sensational and scary, they will get alot of traffic to their sites and people will view the ads and click on a lot of other unrelated stuff. The media company profits from this attention . So the media companies have adopted a business model that realizes profit from sensational scary attention grabbing stories. Glen Greenwald has written eloquently about this. THese groups have abandoned all pretense of journalistic standards. Many if not most of the heads of these organizations are ideological liberals so the form of their yellow journalism takes the form of hysterical desperate condemnation of anything conservative, logical , measured, libertarian , rational , cogent or compassionate. The state has seized upon these opportunities and coopted these groups to act as propaganda disseminators. just like BLM and antifa are the "brown shirts" of the radical left. The legacy media, afraid of losing their relevance and access to the halls of power, are functioning as the "Pravda" of the Washington establishment.
I haven't spent much time on social media. I've heard what you said once or twice and sadly, it seems true. Thanks for the reality check.
I've watched very little TV news over the past 18 months. But when I have watched, it's stunningly propagandistic and misleading.
The big disconnect for me is that I know many people, who in turn know many people. 18 months into "The Plague" (as Trump called it), everyone I know is fine. Except a few who vaxxed. I suspect my experience is more or less normal.
Do Do you have any good articles or De De or references about this problem in Alberta. I have a friend who lives in Ontario and I want to send him this information
I don’t. Although the facts and numbers for Alberta are well known, there is a deafening silence in Canadian media about what it all adds up to. There’s some ideas in here tho that resonate well https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-conservation-of-corona
Given that the main driver of respiratory viruses is seasonal, that factor gets remarkably little discussion. Take for example the CDC's big mask paper that seems to be the main evidence for their mask recommendation. They find some minuscule effect, ignore the huge confounding factor of seasonality, and beclown their whole agency and US government with scientific nonsense. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e3.htm
Makes me wonder if the crazy policies on the 100% vaccinated islands known as US universities are a sign of things to come as the surge makes it's way to high vaxxed states?
Hi, I am actually replying to another of your posts, the one titled "do first vaccination shots increase spread", where you were looking for more promising data to support your hypothesis. I decided to reply to this (your latest) post as well, as you might miss my comment there since that post is quite old by now. Thanks for this post as well, great graphs and analysis.
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Hi, I wish to point you in the direction of some promising data:
In Slovenia (about 50% population "fully vaccinated"), we entered a new "wave" of infections at the end of the July. Not a record breaking wave so far like in Israel or Iceland but a clear one nonetheless.
A week ago, the goverment decided to mandate a Covid passport scheme quite similar to Israel, for basically everything, including work. Starting from last Wednesday you can't even fill up your car at a gas station if you arent't vaccinated or had a (paid) test!
So the blatant point of it all, as all tests are not free anymore as well, is pushing the vaccination rate higher as that is politically desirable, and to some degree they have succeded ... for a week. Before these extreme measures (before the week starting 13th September), you had, for about two running months, about 5-6k vaxx doses (1st + 2nd) administered daily, i.e. total stagnation and little interest from the general population.
Then some people got scared of their impending social exclusion and these restrictive "measures" drove the vaxx rate to about 15k doses daily (rolling 7-day average on 19th September). And BOOM, yesterday, daily deaths went up by 4x as well! It's quite uncanny.
If by seasonal pattern you mean last year, we are about 4-5 weeks "too early (weather is OK, not unseasonably colder than last year's). Our current rolling 7-day average of cases was achieved at the end of October last year. Rolling 7-day average on this day of the last year corresponds to early August this year. Same with "active hospitalizations" and ICU (our current numbers correspond to end of October last year).
Yes, exactly on the 6th of September they implemented the first iteration of "RVT" Covid passports ("Recovered, vaccinated, tested"), for all workplaces and stores with direct contact between workers and customers. On the 15th they doubled down and expanded it to every workplace and place of business (except customers in small grocery stores and pharmacies).
So that's the small jump in vaxx and deaths you see on the 6th: if unvaxxed now you have to have a paid test to work as or to visit the hairdresser.
The even bigger jump in vaxx and deaths on the week starting 13th: you can't go to any workplace if unvaxxed and untested. Ditto you can't go shopping anywhere wihtout a test, including shopping malls.
You can even see "RVT" written on the bottom of the graph by the makers of this site. The first RVT (23th of August) is inconsequential, it only meant you had to be vaxxed or have a test to participate in group sports (a trial of sorts I guess).
I'm amazed they only pressured a extra few ten thousand people (1-2% of pop) with these policies, it only worked for a week and now vaxx rates are falling to their previous lows.
Same pattern in British Columbia. Look at the spring of 20 vs spring 21. In the spring of 20, they closed restaurants and bars, there were no mask mana dates and no jabs. Virus count decreased strongly into July.
Spring of 21, masks indoors, jabs, and significant indoor distancing/restrictions in restaurants.
Patterns exactly the same, despite the huge differences in strategy. It seemed the jabs did not make a difference.
Today, the government has been on a maniacal direction to jab towards 100%. There was a surge in cases prior to the new mandate and illegal passports, but not deaths. Since the increase in jabs, the death rate has skyrocketed, and the case count remains stubbornly high, unaffected by the jabs.
This is the start of cold and flu season in the Pacific NW, and I’ve been concerned that cases will skyrocket further once the cold hits. Boomerang time.
We are resilient, and loaded up with our Zelenko protocol, wait out the storm with vigilance.
If this is the best Gates can get with his billions then he ought to be asking for his money back. These "vaccines" have created a whole cohort of people who will likely never trust a vaccine again - pretty hilarious when Gates has placed so much faith (ie; money) in vaccine development.
Do not kid yourself. Gates is not about "public health". He is an environmental zealot and his vaccine sideshow is all part of an effort to inflict complete state control (one world govt) so to limit the damage to mother earth (as he and his ilk see it). He is not selfless. He has a messiah complex and wants to be THE person written about in the history books 500 years hence as the person that saved the planet. Gates cannot achieve the control he seeks via the ballot box; This type of control can only be achieved via tyranny and that is what we are seeing play out.
Of course the above is entirely speculative on my part but I think it fits.
A whistleblower on The HighWire provided an explanation why the hospitals claim the patients were unvaccinated. Upon admission at her hospital, the patients were not asked their vaccination status. If the patient was vaccinated at one of the provider's health care facilities, then the medical record would show the vaccinated status. If the patient were vaccinated somewhere else like Walgreens, CVS, etc.. then the record would list them as unvaccinated. The nurse explained how she updated the patients records to show their true vaccination status. It is at the 2:15:07 of the two and half hour expose on the VAERS scandal - https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-233-the-vaers-scandal/
For one, "Covid" - properly defined as Severe Covid-19 - is already what widespread ADE would look like. Cytokine storms and slow-rolling anaphylaxis that blunt competent anti-viral immune response, resulting in huge amounts of viral dispersion beyond the respiratory tract. (My favorite crackpot theory for how this ADE was primed among the elderly is here https://europepmc.org/article/PPR/PPR241819).
So, ADE induced by the vaccines should look the same as Severe Covid-19. Clearly isn't showing up yet. If it happens, it will be a question of when a certain antigenic drift threshold is crossed; whether the innate immune response of the young continues to compensate; whether effective therapeutics are still being censored.
Right. Since severe outcome efficacy still appears robust so far (based on Israel (only back in July before the boosters) and England data), the vaccine-induced anti-viral IgG antibodies are still doing their job (in the bloodstream, not in the mucosa where IgA has already waned beyond the "sterilizing" immunity threshold but still appears to be residually blunting innate immunity). The question is what the future holds.
I would be interested in seeing your analysis of how the data could be explained by vaxxes destroying natural immunity previously acquired by infection (such that even people who would have fought off reexposure to any variant of Covid, are sickened instead because the vaxxes messed up their natural immunity systems), and how well the data fits with the hypothesis that the so-called Delta variant is not a variant, but is instead vaxx injuries such as cardiac events, neurological disruptions and so forth. I think the signal for this would be higher all-cause mortality in more highly-vaccinated populations, and lower all-cause mortality in lower-vaccinated populations. But I do not have your data analysis skills.
The previously infected + vaccinated seem to be doing OK based on the Cleveland Clinic study and Gazit et al reinfection study. Though, questions remain on a longer term impact.
The detriment to natural immunity induced by the pseudo-vaccines thus would seem to be a reduction in innate immunity - the people who, previously, could be exposed without being test-identified as infected, are now adding to case counts. The summer waves in the southern US and Israel appear to confirm one of vanden Bossche's predictions - that the residual antibodies from the vaccine are blunting the engagement of natural (generic) antibodies and natural killer cells, i.e. innate immunity. I shared the crude chart I made of the concept in yesterday's thread but here it is again - https://unglossed.substack.com/p/forever-spike#footnote-anchor-15
So in a Twitter thread, Justin Hart showed some data on Vermont, highly vaccinated state. I did a very prelim back of the envelope look and sent him info below. Vermont puts out regular reports and one can do some math…
I did a non-scientific cursory look at the state’s covid reports for Aug 27 and Sept 10. If my math is correct (and I could be wrong because I did it between meetings 😆)
Aug 27 Report states 30 breakthrough hosp. and 10 breakthrough deaths since Jan (disingenuous but ok).
Sept 10 Report states 51 and 18 respectively, meaning an increase of 21 and 8 in those spaces.
Looking at total hosp. and deaths:
Aug 27: 65 Hosp and 13 death in the month of aug (did not track previous months)
Sept 10: 108+28 hosp and 18+5 death for aug and sept, respectively.
If my math is right, between the reports over the last couple weeks.
21/71 hospitalized were vaxxed
8/10 deaths were vaxxed.
It’s interesting, if it tracks true.
Check out the breakthrough cases chart on the sept 10 report— huge increase WoW.
Don’t know— I just did the data mining exercise. That said, the numbers are likely light: from dose 1 through dose 2 14 days later are likely in the unvaccinated bucket. Plus, testing protocol likely higher in unvax. Finally, how good is the record keeping— is there motivation to get it right?
key word being "motivation" as hospitals have been instructed to use different protocols (including lower CTs for PCRs of vaxxed patients) upon admission into hospitals.
The only motivation is to demonstrate the efficacy of the product to boost confidence. I’m not claiming that the intent is malicious per se at the lower levels but as you climb the ladder, perhaps.
well.. the people are running from hospitals. also more depressed. also lonelier with broken famillies. also out of jobs.. +your theory .. vax are detrimental
Mr. el gato malo - I need your help, por favor! Also, there are some other really intelligent folks here, and I'm wondering if anyone already has looked at the CDC's scam of their transmission risk?
can I please get some help on how to follow the CDC declaration of where we face ‘transmission risk’ and thus what guides all our local EVERYTHING on declaring masks needed and every other lunacy; please a serious cry for help?
From what I can tell, they gamed the system so we will never leave their RED areas of total freak out phase; but I need some confirmation.
you’ll go to my own county data in Georgia, and if you click on this link
How is community transmission calculated?
It will show as bubble/pop-up the following:
low moder. substant. high
New cases per 100,000 persons in the past 7 days* <10 10-49.99 50-99.99 ≥100
s this calculated as the total/sum of cases from each of the past 7 days? What a joke….no-one will ever meet this again.
Has anyone actually looked at the actual no of cases from their own county? You can do it in the NYT data our faithful, fearless leader shared – or you can trust me from my County’s data.
Per NYT data, my county has 314 cases daily avg, or a 41 per 100,000 rate – which THEY provide.
Per the CDC, my current ‘cases’ count is 2155 (is this over the past 7 days???), and that divided by 7 is…307.86, which is very close to the NYT daily avg for my county of 314 – BUT the CDC data is not per 100,000, and in my county per CDC data (although they don’t give it outright, we have to back into it by using the % vaxx rate, and the % rate of the tot pop to get it, or 319,211 vaxx’d, which is 42% of the total pop, for a total pop of 760,026).
So, my total daily rate per 100,000 is using the cdc data, 308/(760,026/100,000) OR 40.5 – again, this is the daily rate. AND it matches the NYT data above. Almost exactly at 41.
But, if we must take the ‘in the past 7 days’ number, as the CDC says above, then we get back up to near 300 over 7 days (can’t really just multiply the 41 by 7; as our county has cases dropping, so it skews the number).
BUT here’s the catch – if I go to the lowest ever daily count for my state (I haven’t found it yet at the county level) – using this data -- https://covidestim.org/us/GA -- which has the infections per day per 100,000, it was just under 20 IPC – multiplied by 7, gets us over 100 and back to the highest risk category, requiring full lockdown and terror.
As styled, the CDC will never let us get out of the red?
Has anyone else stress-tested the CDC on this - and better yet, has anyone in the press or Congress called them out on this fabricated crisis?
In short, I checked out Alabama. One of the overall least vaccinated (includes under 20 year olds; but over 50 year olds way more than half vaccinated) and you can see this summer hospitalization wave vs the winter, when pretty much no one was vaccinated. I looked at three of the biggest hospitals in Birmingham and Mobile and you will see there is no evidence at all of Covid overruns at these hospitals.
Rolling Out a mass vaccination campaign of healthy not at risk people as the seasonal spike in January and February was diminishing was a really stupid reckless thing to do. Now we’re going to go into the North American winter with the vaccine efficacy feeding at millions of elderly at risk people at seriously increased risk of severe disease. And then they’re going to force us to lockdown mask up and rule out boosters. And then there could be massive side effects and problems from these boosters like ADE.
It’s a systemic failure. Entire world government/public health organization in the west in particular has revealed itself to be a complete inept failure
the cover up of hard data, the warped definition of "unvaxxed" as per CDC directives, the refusal of hospitals to treat patients with Ivermectin, HCQ, etc. leads us to suspect an ulterior agenda that has nothing to do with health. Otherwise, why not acknowledge natural immunity like they do in Europe and other countries?
not happening in my part of Europe
I thought that natural immunity (proof of antibodies) could get you a green pass to the EU. Is that no longer the case?
That really depends on your definition of "success." My money says your definition is not the same as, oh say, the folks who sponsored Event 201
OR - it's working exactly according to plan. It's just. that public health was never the plan.
Agree. We will provide the recent historical record of the "authorities" proclaiming that the vaccinated are "100% protected from hospitalization and death" and they and their braindead acolytes will scream "DELTA" and they will carry on with this hysterical madness.
They've lied from Day 1, so why not?
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-medias-epic-coronavirus-fail
And Biden, Fauci and the media will blame the unvaxxed.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-medias-epic-coronavirus-fail
This 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
https://www.twitch.tv/gigaohmbiological/videos
Every crisis has an iconic voice, and I am pretty convinced that the voice of this crisis is this renegade biologist, streaming every night from Pittsburg, PA, telling us stories about corruption, biology and immunology.
At some point in the future there will be songs with this man voices, THIS is how over the target this man is...
I would start here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1166770916
"roll out" boosters?
Subscription model shouldn't be considered.
Yes ROLL
They literally rolled out the jab and took credit for spring.
Now they are going to face the music.
Cases will be redefined and numbers adjusted. You're dreaming if you think Governors and public health officials have an honest bone in their bodies.
The excuse is already sitting there primed and ready to go. "We needed boosters."
That and the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" narrative.
I tried to explain this to my kool-aide drinking fully vaxxed cousin a couple months ago when she and her friend were celebrating very low case levels in our county NW of Philadelphia. She did not react well. The jabs will face the test this Fall and Winter...just as their efficacy is dropping like a rock. No wonder they're in a hurry for the booster.
Dr. Gandhi comes fromMD/MPH world where they are given a single hammer, medical/behavioral interventions targeting individuals, and think that this is all they need to know about disease prevention. She is also from the HIV world, which means Fauci/Gates money. So it is simply beyond her capacities of comprehension to imagine that a pharmaceutical intervention won't work. She also does not seem to understand that from the get go this was a hokey “vaccine” with no real history of use or previous study. I would go further and suggest that this particular virus itself is poorly understood (do we understand any of them, really?) and so any and all interventions so far were nothing more than wild assed guesses about how to be the great heroes of disease mitigation. What is missing from Gandhi's ilk is any notion of ecology and complex systems and that all population level processes reflect ecology and complex systems, no silly little injection program is likely to have much or any effect on a seasonal respiratory virus. They should know this from the dismal record of flu vaccines, but lacking any ecological understanding, they simply cannot know this. So, like a deranged version of King Cnut, they hold steadfast in their thrones on the edge of surf and command the rising tide to recede, “I command you, oh nature, in the name of the Vaxx and NPI, you shall not wet my feet!”. Believing that this time, yes this time things will be different than the day before.
to be fair, she is not all bad nor a partisan hack like so many.
https://twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1440816139831971842?s=20
this seems like a reasonable take.
but this idea that hospitalizations are spiking "because of the unvaxxed" looks to be off the mark.
and i suspect this narrative is going to be in for real trouble as seasonality moves back to the northeast.
That’s the same excuse here in BC, the “unvaxxed” filling up the ICUs. Problem is, their own stats are betraying the narrative. Two weeks ago, it was 91% unjabbed. This week, it was 75% unjabbed. Trending which way now? Funny how the media ignores bad trends and moves on.
More information needed (I'm not from BC). If, say, 200 out of 1000 BCers were unvaccinated and 18 of them were in ICU against just 2 of the 800 vaccinated, that would be 90% of the 20 in ICU. If, this week, 100 more BCers were vaxxed and the same proportion of the remained were in ICU, with one of the previously unvaxxed now in ICU alongside the other 2, there would now be 9 out of 12 in ICU who are unvaxxed, which is 75% of the ICU, with no change in the incidence of severe effects to either party.
Of course, these hypothetical figures probably don't reflect the real situation since they require the ICU totals to almost halve, which I suspect is not happening. But they do show that a decrease in percentage of unvaxxed ICU patients does not by itself prove that the vaxxed people are becoming less at risk.
What do you think about the idea that the variations in genetic sequence of Covid that define variants like delta and mu and lamba Are so minor, like 1% or less difference among the genetic sequences, that these differences are so minor has to be clinically insignificant.?
Fair enough, she does often take a middle and reasonable position. I would simply say that the understanding of the problem cannot advance without the inclusion of those with ecological expertise, in addition to real social scientists. Sunetra Gupta, for example, on the side of ecology. Monica seems to exemplify the rather narrow range of expertise who have been influential in the overall policy making apparatus thus far.
She was talking about vaccinating her young child a while back. I question the intelligence and sanity of any parent...let alone an MD...who would do that. And, yes, I'm questioning the sanity of a lot of people these days.
Yes, it’s easy to conclude a sanity issue, but it’s a fear issue, irrational fear. Critical thinking shuts down when one is entranced by fear. Think Stockholm Syndrome. And yes, we are all surrounded by these once, thoughtful, friendly people, who are now more like the secret police. Former friends have become distant, neighbours keep their distance, like We are the ones with the Black Plague. Instead, they may be the ones to suffer from a variety of maladies, or worse if virologist VanDenBossche PhD continues to be correct. We remain vigilant and resilient in these bizarre times.
"I would go further and suggest that this particular virus itself is poorly understood (do we understand any of them, really?"
Exactly, the work of discovering and defining benign viral encounters was never finished (and its progress was never explicitly acknowledged) so humans have been trying to decipher the "pathology" of SARS-CoV-2 without a proper reference point, as well as simultaneously declaring distinctions between the autoimmune dangers of the virus and a vaccine impossible based on an assumption that these dangers somehow "belong" to the virus itself.
I have a very strict "No peeing on the floor" policy, but my new puppy completely disregards the rules. The policy has worked for years and years until he showed up, so I'm thinking of upping the punishment until he complies.
You seem like an okay dude, but don't joke too much about harshly punishing puppies or I may have to pay you a visit. :)
It was a completely hypothetical dog. I'm a cat person ;)
Well said!
Alberta is one to look at. 73% double vaxxed, 83% at least one shot. So… they’re having their worst Covid hospitalizations of the entire crisis. The focus in Canada is very much on Alberta’s daft PM having theatrically reopened this summer and then reversing completely, accepting blame for the surge and apologizing.
There is no mainstream discussion of the fact that the vaccines are the principal actors in Alberta’s drama, as vaccines were explicitly the rationale for their reopening. How can vaccines be off the hook for not even putting a dent in population-wide severe outcomes, despite the vast majority of the population being “protected”? Instead of confronting this reality, people are cheering as vaccine passports sweep the nation.
the problem is the intense level of censorship of any scientist, researcher, or medical expert that questions safety or efficacy. This is the strongest indicator of an agenda that has nothing to do with public health. Here in the USA, evening news spend a good 20 mins on covid (schools, vax clinics, $$ on new studies, "safe & effective" propaganda, etc.). NEVER a mention of worldwide protests, Australia's tyrannical police state, local rallies against mandates/passports, or vax injured young people. Never a thoughtful analysis of all cause deaths. Never an interview of frontline doctors nor immunologist. NEVER coverage on autopsies of young people who died within days of the jabs. This is a freaking nightmare.
Its true. Its a mass hysteria. And there are very evil nefarious groups of people who are exploiting it. I have a hard time however accepting We’re believing that this was some planned scheme to depopulate the earth Or enslave billions of people. What we are witnessing is the Tendency of political bureaucratic organizations to become tyrannical when they become too large and powerful and centralized. The framers of the American Constitution recognized this tendency. Orwell wrote about it Huxley wrote about it. When you have one group of people making decisions for an entire society it increases the risk of systemic failure because what if they’re wrong
I would agree with you IF there were more than just a handful of billionaires influencing the WEF, W.H.O., and other global entities. Unfortunately, the level of cohesion and influence exercised by this group (what Dr. Reiner Fuellmich calls "Mr. Global) leaves a trail that's hard to ignore. Again, look at Australia and the current police state. Does that level of violence towards their own citizens seem to be about their health and safety?
Kenney could have been a hero, and instructed Dheensaw to explore the use of IVM, using India and Indonesia as prime examples of efficacy. Instead, he showed his true colours (again) as a cowardly narcissist.
The media has lied from Day 1.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/the-medias-epic-coronavirus-fail
mainstream legacy media has adopted a business model where all they care about is short term "trending" on social media. If they release a story that distorts the truth and is full of misrepresentations and lies but is sensational and scary, they will get alot of traffic to their sites and people will view the ads and click on a lot of other unrelated stuff. The media company profits from this attention . So the media companies have adopted a business model that realizes profit from sensational scary attention grabbing stories. Glen Greenwald has written eloquently about this. THese groups have abandoned all pretense of journalistic standards. Many if not most of the heads of these organizations are ideological liberals so the form of their yellow journalism takes the form of hysterical desperate condemnation of anything conservative, logical , measured, libertarian , rational , cogent or compassionate. The state has seized upon these opportunities and coopted these groups to act as propaganda disseminators. just like BLM and antifa are the "brown shirts" of the radical left. The legacy media, afraid of losing their relevance and access to the halls of power, are functioning as the "Pravda" of the Washington establishment.
I haven't spent much time on social media. I've heard what you said once or twice and sadly, it seems true. Thanks for the reality check.
I've watched very little TV news over the past 18 months. But when I have watched, it's stunningly propagandistic and misleading.
The big disconnect for me is that I know many people, who in turn know many people. 18 months into "The Plague" (as Trump called it), everyone I know is fine. Except a few who vaxxed. I suspect my experience is more or less normal.
But somehow this is the worst disease ever....
vaxx waned out. cant use that
Do Do you have any good articles or De De or references about this problem in Alberta. I have a friend who lives in Ontario and I want to send him this information
I don’t. Although the facts and numbers for Alberta are well known, there is a deafening silence in Canadian media about what it all adds up to. There’s some ideas in here tho that resonate well https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-conservation-of-corona
Given that the main driver of respiratory viruses is seasonal, that factor gets remarkably little discussion. Take for example the CDC's big mask paper that seems to be the main evidence for their mask recommendation. They find some minuscule effect, ignore the huge confounding factor of seasonality, and beclown their whole agency and US government with scientific nonsense. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e3.htm
Makes me wonder if the crazy policies on the 100% vaccinated islands known as US universities are a sign of things to come as the surge makes it's way to high vaxxed states?
https://reason.com/2021/09/22/oberlin-college-masking-indoors-outdoors-students/
A "working" vaccine should not require a policies like these...
maybe a working vaccine was not what was ordered?
Hi, I am actually replying to another of your posts, the one titled "do first vaccination shots increase spread", where you were looking for more promising data to support your hypothesis. I decided to reply to this (your latest) post as well, as you might miss my comment there since that post is quite old by now. Thanks for this post as well, great graphs and analysis.
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Hi, I wish to point you in the direction of some promising data:
In Slovenia (about 50% population "fully vaccinated"), we entered a new "wave" of infections at the end of the July. Not a record breaking wave so far like in Israel or Iceland but a clear one nonetheless.
A week ago, the goverment decided to mandate a Covid passport scheme quite similar to Israel, for basically everything, including work. Starting from last Wednesday you can't even fill up your car at a gas station if you arent't vaccinated or had a (paid) test!
So the blatant point of it all, as all tests are not free anymore as well, is pushing the vaccination rate higher as that is politically desirable, and to some degree they have succeded ... for a week. Before these extreme measures (before the week starting 13th September), you had, for about two running months, about 5-6k vaxx doses (1st + 2nd) administered daily, i.e. total stagnation and little interest from the general population.
Then some people got scared of their impending social exclusion and these restrictive "measures" drove the vaxx rate to about 15k doses daily (rolling 7-day average on 19th September). And BOOM, yesterday, daily deaths went up by 4x as well! It's quite uncanny.
I hastily put together a low-quality picture to summarize the situation: https://imgur.com/a/VcNMyT8
I predict that since the vaxx drive is losing steam, deaths will soon fall, faster than a fall in cases would suggest.
Source of overlaid graphs is our national Covid tracker. Run by a vaxxer NGO with data from the government: https://covid-19.sledilnik.org/en/stats
this pattern is getting jarringly common.
what is typical seasonal surge there?
did deaths rise this time last year?
also: when was this new policy announced?
it looks like vaccine dosing (and deaths) both jumped up rapidly right on sept 6th.
was there something special about that date?
If by seasonal pattern you mean last year, we are about 4-5 weeks "too early (weather is OK, not unseasonably colder than last year's). Our current rolling 7-day average of cases was achieved at the end of October last year. Rolling 7-day average on this day of the last year corresponds to early August this year. Same with "active hospitalizations" and ICU (our current numbers correspond to end of October last year).
Yes, exactly on the 6th of September they implemented the first iteration of "RVT" Covid passports ("Recovered, vaccinated, tested"), for all workplaces and stores with direct contact between workers and customers. On the 15th they doubled down and expanded it to every workplace and place of business (except customers in small grocery stores and pharmacies).
So that's the small jump in vaxx and deaths you see on the 6th: if unvaxxed now you have to have a paid test to work as or to visit the hairdresser.
The even bigger jump in vaxx and deaths on the week starting 13th: you can't go to any workplace if unvaxxed and untested. Ditto you can't go shopping anywhere wihtout a test, including shopping malls.
You can even see "RVT" written on the bottom of the graph by the makers of this site. The first RVT (23th of August) is inconsequential, it only meant you had to be vaxxed or have a test to participate in group sports (a trial of sorts I guess).
I'm amazed they only pressured a extra few ten thousand people (1-2% of pop) with these policies, it only worked for a week and now vaxx rates are falling to their previous lows.
Same pattern in British Columbia. Look at the spring of 20 vs spring 21. In the spring of 20, they closed restaurants and bars, there were no mask mana dates and no jabs. Virus count decreased strongly into July.
Spring of 21, masks indoors, jabs, and significant indoor distancing/restrictions in restaurants.
Patterns exactly the same, despite the huge differences in strategy. It seemed the jabs did not make a difference.
Today, the government has been on a maniacal direction to jab towards 100%. There was a surge in cases prior to the new mandate and illegal passports, but not deaths. Since the increase in jabs, the death rate has skyrocketed, and the case count remains stubbornly high, unaffected by the jabs.
This is the start of cold and flu season in the Pacific NW, and I’ve been concerned that cases will skyrocket further once the cold hits. Boomerang time.
We are resilient, and loaded up with our Zelenko protocol, wait out the storm with vigilance.
need to stratify deaths, unvaxx, vaxx, co morb, no co morb, age.
tx and fl seasonal this year deaths higher, cases higher.....
if any of this sold vaxxes......
we would be snowed under with success stories instead we get anecdotes about unvaxxed whining they made the wrong prediction about the future...
if it needs mandates and fear mongering the vaxxes are not working out.
If this is the best Gates can get with his billions then he ought to be asking for his money back. These "vaccines" have created a whole cohort of people who will likely never trust a vaccine again - pretty hilarious when Gates has placed so much faith (ie; money) in vaccine development.
Do not kid yourself. Gates is not about "public health". He is an environmental zealot and his vaccine sideshow is all part of an effort to inflict complete state control (one world govt) so to limit the damage to mother earth (as he and his ilk see it). He is not selfless. He has a messiah complex and wants to be THE person written about in the history books 500 years hence as the person that saved the planet. Gates cannot achieve the control he seeks via the ballot box; This type of control can only be achieved via tyranny and that is what we are seeing play out.
Of course the above is entirely speculative on my part but I think it fits.
his efforts lead to the great reset and population control as in China. Vax passports is the goal.
A whistleblower on The HighWire provided an explanation why the hospitals claim the patients were unvaccinated. Upon admission at her hospital, the patients were not asked their vaccination status. If the patient was vaccinated at one of the provider's health care facilities, then the medical record would show the vaccinated status. If the patient were vaccinated somewhere else like Walgreens, CVS, etc.. then the record would list them as unvaccinated. The nurse explained how she updated the patients records to show their true vaccination status. It is at the 2:15:07 of the two and half hour expose on the VAERS scandal - https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-233-the-vaers-scandal/
Where does ADE fit into this? This is a question I've been having since Israel - what would society-wide ADE look like? What would the fallout be?
For one, "Covid" - properly defined as Severe Covid-19 - is already what widespread ADE would look like. Cytokine storms and slow-rolling anaphylaxis that blunt competent anti-viral immune response, resulting in huge amounts of viral dispersion beyond the respiratory tract. (My favorite crackpot theory for how this ADE was primed among the elderly is here https://europepmc.org/article/PPR/PPR241819).
So, ADE induced by the vaccines should look the same as Severe Covid-19. Clearly isn't showing up yet. If it happens, it will be a question of when a certain antigenic drift threshold is crossed; whether the innate immune response of the young continues to compensate; whether effective therapeutics are still being censored.
Wouldn't true ADE be a higher proportion of Severe Covid-19 in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated?
Right. Since severe outcome efficacy still appears robust so far (based on Israel (only back in July before the boosters) and England data), the vaccine-induced anti-viral IgG antibodies are still doing their job (in the bloodstream, not in the mucosa where IgA has already waned beyond the "sterilizing" immunity threshold but still appears to be residually blunting innate immunity). The question is what the future holds.
I would be interested in seeing your analysis of how the data could be explained by vaxxes destroying natural immunity previously acquired by infection (such that even people who would have fought off reexposure to any variant of Covid, are sickened instead because the vaxxes messed up their natural immunity systems), and how well the data fits with the hypothesis that the so-called Delta variant is not a variant, but is instead vaxx injuries such as cardiac events, neurological disruptions and so forth. I think the signal for this would be higher all-cause mortality in more highly-vaccinated populations, and lower all-cause mortality in lower-vaccinated populations. But I do not have your data analysis skills.
The previously infected + vaccinated seem to be doing OK based on the Cleveland Clinic study and Gazit et al reinfection study. Though, questions remain on a longer term impact.
The detriment to natural immunity induced by the pseudo-vaccines thus would seem to be a reduction in innate immunity - the people who, previously, could be exposed without being test-identified as infected, are now adding to case counts. The summer waves in the southern US and Israel appear to confirm one of vanden Bossche's predictions - that the residual antibodies from the vaccine are blunting the engagement of natural (generic) antibodies and natural killer cells, i.e. innate immunity. I shared the crude chart I made of the concept in yesterday's thread but here it is again - https://unglossed.substack.com/p/forever-spike#footnote-anchor-15
So in a Twitter thread, Justin Hart showed some data on Vermont, highly vaccinated state. I did a very prelim back of the envelope look and sent him info below. Vermont puts out regular reports and one can do some math…
https://www.healthvermont.gov/covid-19/current-activity/data-summary
I did a non-scientific cursory look at the state’s covid reports for Aug 27 and Sept 10. If my math is correct (and I could be wrong because I did it between meetings 😆)
Aug 27 Report states 30 breakthrough hosp. and 10 breakthrough deaths since Jan (disingenuous but ok).
Sept 10 Report states 51 and 18 respectively, meaning an increase of 21 and 8 in those spaces.
Looking at total hosp. and deaths:
Aug 27: 65 Hosp and 13 death in the month of aug (did not track previous months)
Sept 10: 108+28 hosp and 18+5 death for aug and sept, respectively.
If my math is right, between the reports over the last couple weeks.
21/71 hospitalized were vaxxed
8/10 deaths were vaxxed.
It’s interesting, if it tracks true.
Check out the breakthrough cases chart on the sept 10 report— huge increase WoW.
question: how do hospitals ascertain vaccine status?
Don’t know— I just did the data mining exercise. That said, the numbers are likely light: from dose 1 through dose 2 14 days later are likely in the unvaccinated bucket. Plus, testing protocol likely higher in unvax. Finally, how good is the record keeping— is there motivation to get it right?
key word being "motivation" as hospitals have been instructed to use different protocols (including lower CTs for PCRs of vaxxed patients) upon admission into hospitals.
The only motivation is to demonstrate the efficacy of the product to boost confidence. I’m not claiming that the intent is malicious per se at the lower levels but as you climb the ladder, perhaps.
well.. the people are running from hospitals. also more depressed. also lonelier with broken famillies. also out of jobs.. +your theory .. vax are detrimental
0h. plus the regular hospital incompetence that probably got worse due to high conflicts
Mr. el gato malo - I need your help, por favor! Also, there are some other really intelligent folks here, and I'm wondering if anyone already has looked at the CDC's scam of their transmission risk?
can I please get some help on how to follow the CDC declaration of where we face ‘transmission risk’ and thus what guides all our local EVERYTHING on declaring masks needed and every other lunacy; please a serious cry for help?
From what I can tell, they gamed the system so we will never leave their RED areas of total freak out phase; but I need some confirmation.
If you go here
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view|Georgia|13067|Cases|Cases_7_day_count_change
you’ll go to my own county data in Georgia, and if you click on this link
How is community transmission calculated?
It will show as bubble/pop-up the following:
low moder. substant. high
New cases per 100,000 persons in the past 7 days* <10 10-49.99 50-99.99 ≥100
s this calculated as the total/sum of cases from each of the past 7 days? What a joke….no-one will ever meet this again.
Has anyone actually looked at the actual no of cases from their own county? You can do it in the NYT data our faithful, fearless leader shared – or you can trust me from my County’s data.
Per NYT data, my county has 314 cases daily avg, or a 41 per 100,000 rate – which THEY provide.
Per the CDC, my current ‘cases’ count is 2155 (is this over the past 7 days???), and that divided by 7 is…307.86, which is very close to the NYT daily avg for my county of 314 – BUT the CDC data is not per 100,000, and in my county per CDC data (although they don’t give it outright, we have to back into it by using the % vaxx rate, and the % rate of the tot pop to get it, or 319,211 vaxx’d, which is 42% of the total pop, for a total pop of 760,026).
So, my total daily rate per 100,000 is using the cdc data, 308/(760,026/100,000) OR 40.5 – again, this is the daily rate. AND it matches the NYT data above. Almost exactly at 41.
But, if we must take the ‘in the past 7 days’ number, as the CDC says above, then we get back up to near 300 over 7 days (can’t really just multiply the 41 by 7; as our county has cases dropping, so it skews the number).
BUT here’s the catch – if I go to the lowest ever daily count for my state (I haven’t found it yet at the county level) – using this data -- https://covidestim.org/us/GA -- which has the infections per day per 100,000, it was just under 20 IPC – multiplied by 7, gets us over 100 and back to the highest risk category, requiring full lockdown and terror.
As styled, the CDC will never let us get out of the red?
Has anyone else stress-tested the CDC on this - and better yet, has anyone in the press or Congress called them out on this fabricated crisis?
Guys and gals...check out y our local hospita and its Covid ICU rates: https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiODMzMWUxODEtNzMyNy00NWJjLWIzNTktYzJiZGMxMjFiMTgyIiwidCI6IjQ4ZGIxMmFjLTVkYzMtNGQ1MS05N2VkLTVhM2RkZTYxOTlmYyJ9&pageName=ReportSectionf97385449b74f863ad3b
You will be surprised.
In short, I checked out Alabama. One of the overall least vaccinated (includes under 20 year olds; but over 50 year olds way more than half vaccinated) and you can see this summer hospitalization wave vs the winter, when pretty much no one was vaccinated. I looked at three of the biggest hospitals in Birmingham and Mobile and you will see there is no evidence at all of Covid overruns at these hospitals.