Is there any hard evidence for shedding and that it's an actual risk for the unvaxxed? There's lots of anecdotal claims but I've yet to see any actual hard evidence it's a real threat. Plus it's not contagious and can't cause replication, unlike the actual concept of "shedding" from those vaccinated with a live virus vaccine.
Is there any hard evidence for shedding and that it's an actual risk for the unvaxxed? There's lots of anecdotal claims but I've yet to see any actual hard evidence it's a real threat. Plus it's not contagious and can't cause replication, unlike the actual concept of "shedding" from those vaccinated with a live virus vaccine.
Taking in small quantities of spikes from vaxxed people likely does have some very small risk. It's comparable to taking up any other toxin in a miniscule quantity that our bodies routinely clear. We aren't turning our cells into spike factories (like the vaxxed) nor are we having viral replication (like the infected). So it's inherently self limiting.
We need to keep some perspective here or we risk ending up like those in hazmat suits paralyzed in fear of the virus. Yes, don't take an experimental novel genetic therapy for a virus with a minimal risk. But also don't live in fear of those who did based on some theoretical possibility of shedding with no hard proof.
I'll take a look but we'll need to do better than some oblique reference to a document with tens of thousands of pages. Some of the comments on our side look awfully close to the hysteria coming from the covidians.
"Shedding" has historically been defined as a risk to the immunocompromised in close proximity to those who took a live virus vaccine. The concern was that they could catch the virus from the vaccinated person. The virus would then replicate in the immunocompromised individual and endanger their health.
There is no virus here and nothing is live, therefore it is not "shedding" in the classic sense. There is nothing to catch. We are talking about the potential incidental exposure to a toxic protein in miniscule quantities. If you aren't sharing bodily fluids, the risk is almost certainly zero. Even if you are, the risk is very small as the spike doesn't multiply (unlike in the vaxxed or infected). This is pretty straight-forward, our bodies have methods to clear toxins. The problem is when the toxins are increasing faster than we can clear them (e.g. when they are multiplying or continuous high level exposure), not from some miniscule incidental contact.
People just love to have something to fear I guess, the science on this isn't complicated. We have enough problems without inventing new ones.
I think you have misunderstood. The risk from vaccinated people has nothing to do with the vaccine per se, it is because vaccinated people are 5 or 6 time more likely to be infected, and thus there is a level of infection in the vaccinated - and thus possible transmission - not present in unvaccinated. Since by now in most populations an unvaccinated person is much more likely to have multiple contacts with vaccinated people than unvaccinated, probability dictates they are at higher risk of infection from vaccinated.
Is there any hard evidence for shedding and that it's an actual risk for the unvaxxed? There's lots of anecdotal claims but I've yet to see any actual hard evidence it's a real threat. Plus it's not contagious and can't cause replication, unlike the actual concept of "shedding" from those vaccinated with a live virus vaccine.
Taking in small quantities of spikes from vaxxed people likely does have some very small risk. It's comparable to taking up any other toxin in a miniscule quantity that our bodies routinely clear. We aren't turning our cells into spike factories (like the vaxxed) nor are we having viral replication (like the infected). So it's inherently self limiting.
We need to keep some perspective here or we risk ending up like those in hazmat suits paralyzed in fear of the virus. Yes, don't take an experimental novel genetic therapy for a virus with a minimal risk. But also don't live in fear of those who did based on some theoretical possibility of shedding with no hard proof.
REad the released Pfizer trial data. Not only do they shed, even Pfizer doesn't know what they shed, but they were warned to keep apart from spouses.
I'll take a look but we'll need to do better than some oblique reference to a document with tens of thousands of pages. Some of the comments on our side look awfully close to the hysteria coming from the covidians.
"Shedding" has historically been defined as a risk to the immunocompromised in close proximity to those who took a live virus vaccine. The concern was that they could catch the virus from the vaccinated person. The virus would then replicate in the immunocompromised individual and endanger their health.
There is no virus here and nothing is live, therefore it is not "shedding" in the classic sense. There is nothing to catch. We are talking about the potential incidental exposure to a toxic protein in miniscule quantities. If you aren't sharing bodily fluids, the risk is almost certainly zero. Even if you are, the risk is very small as the spike doesn't multiply (unlike in the vaxxed or infected). This is pretty straight-forward, our bodies have methods to clear toxins. The problem is when the toxins are increasing faster than we can clear them (e.g. when they are multiplying or continuous high level exposure), not from some miniscule incidental contact.
People just love to have something to fear I guess, the science on this isn't complicated. We have enough problems without inventing new ones.
Agree.
I think you have misunderstood. The risk from vaccinated people has nothing to do with the vaccine per se, it is because vaccinated people are 5 or 6 time more likely to be infected, and thus there is a level of infection in the vaccinated - and thus possible transmission - not present in unvaccinated. Since by now in most populations an unvaccinated person is much more likely to have multiple contacts with vaccinated people than unvaccinated, probability dictates they are at higher risk of infection from vaccinated.