As the Statistics are Unreliable goblin, I must speak 👺. The COVID-19 official data even in advanced nations are at best shaky. If you dare speak of backwards corrupt areas of the globe, well let's just say that medical care, the testing, the standards are bit more lax. The single best proof I've found of this is to look at the wild var…
As the Statistics are Unreliable goblin, I must speak 👺. The COVID-19 official data even in advanced nations are at best shaky. If you dare speak of backwards corrupt areas of the globe, well let's just say that medical care, the testing, the standards are bit more lax. The single best proof I've found of this is to look at the wild variance in per-capita statistics from various countries:
A student at Western Ontario University was recently arrested 5 times for ‘non-conformance.’ Being unvaccinated and not wearing a mask to class. Completely non violent protest. The last time removed from class as they carried out his non protesting body by arms and legs as his classmates said nothing. Expelled and can’t go back for 5 years. An engineering student, likely smarter than the majority of his class. Welcome to Canada. Bien venue.
Well, apparently we have a lot of old, sick, and obese people. No shocker there. But covid clearly takes greater advantage of them than most illnesses.
I don't disagree that there's been plenty of fear mongering with this thing. But it's still a very real pandemic, much worse than the flu, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater doesn't solve anything.
By "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" do you mean, stopping all mandatory testing of people without symptoms? If not, what do you mean?
Because I can tell you what hasn't solved this: all the measures those of us here are railing about. Arguably, in fact, they have exacerbated it,creating more mental health issues, weight gain, and health problems among our youth.
Trust me, I don't want people to die. I want to protect the most vulnerable. I don't think being old, sick, or obese makes anybody's death less tragic. I'm just quite certain that by focusing on lunacy-- vaccinating and masking children, mandating healthy young employees to get vaccinated, in some countries now threatening the unvaxxed with future fines or prison time-- we are actually missing the trees for the forest. None of these measures appears to have any impact on the people most at risk for covid, although they may in the future when all of the most vulnerable people have already perished in a prior wave. Do we really want to get to THAT future?
What I mean is that many now seem to be inferring there is no real pandemic, if we would just stop testing so much. They are throwing out the pandemic (the baby) with the bathwater (the testing).
I think there's a happy medium between that and fear mongering the hell out of people, along with useless mandates that do nothing to protect the vulnerable, as you point out.
Case numbers are not the important thing, but it's not just case numbers that reflect what's happening with the pandemic.
Thanks for explaining! I guess my only disagreement is that I'm of the opinion that we should no longer be treating this a pandemic. I can see how my original post made it seem like I was dismissive that people are actually still getting sick from covid and I appreciate you speaking up. I have a tendency to make offensive jokes that you legitimately called me on.
Oh you're good! I was more referring to the overall discourse and direction lately it seems to have gone on this blog.
As far as treating it like a pandemic...I think it is what it is, and until it behaves more like the flu and doesn't put so much strain on our hospital systems, we have to deal with that reality. But I agree that we can't keep treating it the same way we did the first few months. That was an overreaction - but unfortunately, I don't think we can just dismiss it now.
As the Statistics are Unreliable goblin, I must speak 👺. The COVID-19 official data even in advanced nations are at best shaky. If you dare speak of backwards corrupt areas of the globe, well let's just say that medical care, the testing, the standards are bit more lax. The single best proof I've found of this is to look at the wild variance in per-capita statistics from various countries:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Exactly! We could be doing as well as Africa if we stopped all this mandatory testing. I mean, college campuses? Are we crazy?
A student at Western Ontario University was recently arrested 5 times for ‘non-conformance.’ Being unvaccinated and not wearing a mask to class. Completely non violent protest. The last time removed from class as they carried out his non protesting body by arms and legs as his classmates said nothing. Expelled and can’t go back for 5 years. An engineering student, likely smarter than the majority of his class. Welcome to Canada. Bien venue.
Yeah, no. People really are dying from covid. All cause mortality matches covid surges: https://www.usmortality.com/
Only if they're old, very sick or obese.
The vast, identifiable majority have been at functionally zero risk from Day 1
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/mocking-coronamania.
Well, apparently we have a lot of old, sick, and obese people. No shocker there. But covid clearly takes greater advantage of them than most illnesses.
I don't disagree that there's been plenty of fear mongering with this thing. But it's still a very real pandemic, much worse than the flu, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater doesn't solve anything.
By "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" do you mean, stopping all mandatory testing of people without symptoms? If not, what do you mean?
Because I can tell you what hasn't solved this: all the measures those of us here are railing about. Arguably, in fact, they have exacerbated it,creating more mental health issues, weight gain, and health problems among our youth.
Trust me, I don't want people to die. I want to protect the most vulnerable. I don't think being old, sick, or obese makes anybody's death less tragic. I'm just quite certain that by focusing on lunacy-- vaccinating and masking children, mandating healthy young employees to get vaccinated, in some countries now threatening the unvaxxed with future fines or prison time-- we are actually missing the trees for the forest. None of these measures appears to have any impact on the people most at risk for covid, although they may in the future when all of the most vulnerable people have already perished in a prior wave. Do we really want to get to THAT future?
What I mean is that many now seem to be inferring there is no real pandemic, if we would just stop testing so much. They are throwing out the pandemic (the baby) with the bathwater (the testing).
I think there's a happy medium between that and fear mongering the hell out of people, along with useless mandates that do nothing to protect the vulnerable, as you point out.
Case numbers are not the important thing, but it's not just case numbers that reflect what's happening with the pandemic.
Thanks for explaining! I guess my only disagreement is that I'm of the opinion that we should no longer be treating this a pandemic. I can see how my original post made it seem like I was dismissive that people are actually still getting sick from covid and I appreciate you speaking up. I have a tendency to make offensive jokes that you legitimately called me on.
Oh you're good! I was more referring to the overall discourse and direction lately it seems to have gone on this blog.
As far as treating it like a pandemic...I think it is what it is, and until it behaves more like the flu and doesn't put so much strain on our hospital systems, we have to deal with that reality. But I agree that we can't keep treating it the same way we did the first few months. That was an overreaction - but unfortunately, I don't think we can just dismiss it now.
Imagine all the money the govts are saving on pensions, health insurance & govt benefits for oldsters who are no longer with us.
And that should be considered under motive.
I'm with you. All data is suspect ~ I just try to make educated inferences from relative comparisons.