Some are actually OK with it - that's how brainwashed they are. It's nothing new, children have been sacrificed to the 'greater good' throughout history... by the insane.
But that parent gets social points for that, see, so it's all good. This is what happens when narcissists are continually rewarded. I consider parents like this to be the Munchausen by Proxy types. It's all for social credit and attention, when you boil it down.
I agree. I know many here in the Bay Area that do it for social point. The medical personnel I know has been utterly brainwashed it’s ok to sacrifice yourself and your children. When they should be focusing on primo non nocere
He’s otherwise normal. But in medicine and this brainwashed to ‘think of the herd before children’. It’s insane. I said sorry bro this is against the oath you took. I think he started to think about this. I made the argument it’s never ok to sacrifice children for the benefit of adults. Never. Ever. Acceptable. Immoral.
I find comments like this very encouraging. I bought into a lot of it too at first, then spent a few weeks feeling like my worldview was disintegrating. Very disorienting.
I always thought my wife's vaccines concerns were crazy but she was right all along. Fortunately she and my son did not get it. Now we probably have to move but it's a no-brainer to do it.
Good for you! It's not always easy to change one's perspective, especially when you've put something in your body. I'm so glad you're protecting your son. 💕
You are not alone in. And I will add that those who I know who did it and regretted it and will do it no more... massive respect. Also, you married well.
My wife was years ahead of this vaccine madness as well. I really never paid much attention until this craziness took over and I committed myself to research. I’ve always known she was smart, just didn’t realize how smart. I’m a lucky man.
I hope my spouse will arrive at your conclusion too! I think it’s wonderful you are open. I swear I will never say told you so just welcome to the dark side 😂
You must have good mental flexibility, to overcome all the cognitive dissonance most people are experiencing right now who were in your position. Good for you.
I saw through things early on in the pandemic, largely because the actions did fit with the notion of public health from a holistic point of view, and I had a lot of time to research during lock downs.
But I’m still reeling from the disintegration of my worldview, so I can definitely relate. Nothing is as it seemed, trust is shattered… definitely very disorienting and I think I’m still grieving (still in anger stage I think!).
I'm sorry. 😟 I was redpilled some years ago & still nearly fell for their lies initially. Even people with more training in healthcare than I fell for it hook, line & sinker.
My doctor was super based before Covid. After Covid he’s a total nut job banning unvaccinated from his practice and refusing to discuss concerns about the vaccine. Doctors seem to be especially vulnerable to misinformation about the vax … they still think it’s safe and effective.
Shaman, he must be "a total nut job" because of his cognitive dissonance. How can he admit that he was wrong? He won't be able to live with himself if he admits it and can't live with himself if he doesn't admit it.
I feel lucky that back in '84 or so, a Harvard Health doctor left me to die to avoid hurting his bonus by running a cbc. I had septicemia & my cash-paid dentist saved my life.
A cbc test would have shown critically elevated white count, but would have cost the hmo a few hundred $$. At the time, HMOs paid bonuses to Drs based on *not* running diagnostic tests.
My symptoms were severe & blatant. The extreme weight loss alone (20+% in a matter of a few weeks. I looked like a skeleton) was enough to kill. Dr told me it was all in my head & sent me to counseling. Counselor took one look at me & blanched.
You'd better believe it. WWI & II and beyond. The ruling class has been controlling the population by deception for over a thousand years- http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html
(Don't be deterred by the sunspot stuff, it's not new age wuwu, he covers the charge field theory on his science site- http://milesmathis.com/index.html
All those government officials who pushed this thing, not to mention the Pharma executives, need to go to jail for this. Totally unacceptable. Criminal negligence at the very least. More like willful criminal conduct.
People need to watch Glenn Beck’s recent revelations on the Blaze if havent get. Showing how Fauci and co were responsible, how they manipulated everything to cover their butts, and then make money off the mRNA jabs they half owned by pushing the jabs. Not all new, but some of it was, and he brought together a lot of disparate info from diff sources (drastic, Dr David Martin, Whitney Webb).
i always preferred the idea of public caning. it would make good half-time entertainment. sell raffle tickets for the privilege of swinging the cane or submit your representative to swing it. this might sting a bit:
I hear u. I didn’t want it at all but got one pfizer before I quit my job and told them to eff off. I knew it was bad. My livelihood was threatened. I found a different way. I’m detoxing too.
But those mRNA microlipids cross the blood brain barrier as well as the gametes. So then I'd have to worry about my immune systems attacking them as foreign, basically forever, or I so I think I understand it.
That’s exactly my concern with the vaccines: how long does the “risk” of the shots last? People act like it’s a one time risk, like sky diving. But I think of it as as 24/7/365 risk.
The risk continues until our death. N long term studies - because most vaccine side effects occur shortly after innoculation?? Bunk!! No one knows long term risk of an experimental gene therapy.
I think it is amazing that you sorted it to know what the POTENTIAL consequences are. I wonder how you came to where you are now. What changed your mind finally?
Many did. As a physician I got vaccinated as early as possible in the hopes that doing so would help reduce transmission. Even though they don’t the vast majority of the health care system still supports vaccine mandates.
But not to fear! CMS is here!.... to mandate every employee of long term care nursing facilities, hospitals, dialysis centers, all vendors that work with these entities and all health care providers who have privileges at CMS funded entities or who have patients who use them.
The narrative SHOULD be unravelling, but it is NOT. There are answers to all of the facts --on the ready, and they may not make sense, but they are enough for people who need to continue to believe. I argue with people all the time, and it's literally like they've been drugged. They "don't care" that it doesn't work when they were assured it would, they don't mind that they have to take a 3rd shot in less than a year, they don't care that the data is being withheld, or about VAERS or anything you can throw at them.
It was never about facts. They picked their side and they're sticking to it. And the media is right there to back them up. The CDC keeps announcing they have new data which proves the narrative and it's the unicorn juice they all desperately need.
It's called Mass Formation. 30% are True Believers, 40% sort-of go along (flock effect, or like a school of fish), and then the last 30% are us: we know exactly what's going on. We need to convince that 40 % and get them on our side. You cannot reason nor present facts to the True Believers. They will never change. The people who burned witches way back? well, they were True Believers and went to their grave thinking they did the right thing!
My neighbor has a pHD in Pharmacology and works in big pharma. He's a true believer in every sense of the word. He knows the minute risk in kids but he's getting his littles vaxxed. Even if you can make a strong case for the individual risk benefit not being favorable, he pivots to the greater good, and the social contract we have with society. The expectation is that you are willing to roll the dice to protect the most vulnerable, and that any small impact in the risk of transmission. That a 1:4000 risk of a server adverse event is just the tax you pay to be a good citizen.
Maybe it's the Mama Bear coming out in me, but I'm not sacrificing my children for a "social contract." My duty as a mother is to protect them. I don't understand why on earth someone would have that philosophy and I don't know of many mothers who would share that viewpoint either. On top of it, the "most vulnerable" are CHILDREN who have their whole lives in front of them, not the elderly. What's wrong with your neighbor??? Weirdo.
The Social Contract was rendered null and void due to bad faith on one party's fault (the government) long ago. You are by no means under any obligation to abide by what you thought the contractual terms were.
Yes, and live in $1 million+ homes which "equal housing opportunity" allowed any to buy, and send their children to a $40,000 per year private school that proudly proclaims that it does not discriminate by race or several other "protected classes." 🙂
And that's the weakest argument of all--the common good. Getting vaxxed doesn't help anyone, not your mom, grandma, the old man next door. Society gets no benefit from any of this--that's the virtue signaling appeal--it works.
It's so sad that they are ignoring what seems obvious to us and is.
I don't think the risk is that minute in the younger population - the number of adverse events that have been reported is very concerning if you consider that approximately 1% of adverse events are reported to VAERS. No similarly-touted agents would have been allowed continued administration in the past with this number of reports of likely harm. In addition, most children have almost zero risk of dying or being seriously affected from COVID anyway. Why jab them?
Beyond that, I think you can make a very strong argument against anyone being protected by the COVID jabs, either receiving them personally or by their contacts being jabbed. The jabs don't prevent infection or transmission, and I doubt any agent against COVID ever will.
I don’t know. Not even death changes their minds. I blame the media. It singlehandedly perpetuates these lies and blacks out facts across all channels and outlets. That’s powerful.
There is no counter-argument with the 30% that are under the spell of mass formation. None at all. Not even the death of their child or even their own death will break the spell. In the final stage of mass formation, all semblance of 'self' is erased. There is no individual, only the collective, and your sacrifices for the collective good only strengthen the social bonds you have formed with the collective. To destroy that bond would be akin to suicide. The narrative that binds this collective in solidarity no longer needs any basis in reality. The more ludicrous the narrative, the stronger the bond. Humanity teeters on the edge of an abyss.
While I do agree that the media (includes quite a few entities) is complicit and culpable, I don't give those hypnotized by the media any pass at all. Their choice to not be critical thinkers. Weak and dizzy all over.
Yes but think about living this ordinary life and months and months go by with the same false message— and literally no counter-message. Especially for young people. That’s hard to see at all and even tougher to navigate. I’ve even had to check in with myself and ask, “am I crazy?”
Close relatives made the case to me for the vax: 1) it's for the common good, 2) "we'll be so sad not to be able to see you unless you get the vax". In other words, 1) judging the unvaxxed as selfish and evil, and 2) emotional blackmail. One of my reactions to 1) is that the pro-vax premise is all wrong. If you assume the vax is completely safe and protects others, then it could be in the common interest for all to get it. But if it is not safe and/or only protects the one who gets it, there is no public health benefit. In fact, if adverse effects are widespread, it's bad for the common good because then a lot of people will be sick or dead. Since we don't know the long-term effects of the injections, you can't claim it is for the greater good since many people could end up harmed by it in the long run. That is a kind of practical argument. In addition, there are philosophical arguments, e.g. the individual is taking on risk by getting the jab and therefore it should be only an individual choice with no mandates/coercion/guilt-tripping to get them to do it.
There is also the problem of "survivorship bias." A group of enthusiasts in a risky venture, say, rock climbing, might discuss the dangers of the sport. "But all of us here have been doing it for years with no major problems!" observes one, validly enough. Too easily forgotten are those who fell and died or otherwise taken out of the game. To the collective mind, it's just the same as if the unfortunates had never existed.
There are a lot people who received the jab who are not true believers but they also don't want to admit they were duped for various reasons. I think most will come around to our side over time.
Not to mention censorship... people think they're smart, "doing their own research," but when Google censors the search results, or when FB/Tuatter/IG ban posts and posters, it reinforces "the official narrative."
I agree, it may be unraveling for some, but a majority are propagandized. They've been propagandized with fear, lie repetition and narcissistic goodies of being one of the "good people". I think for these people, it will take a life experience to wake them up out of this. The life experience might be the death or vaccine injury of a loved one as the original dose of vaccine fades and more people take boosters, increasing their risk of side effects. It may be the institution of more totalitarianism in their country that wakes up the feeling that something is not right.
There are whisper numbers of the boosters wearing off faster than the 2 does regimen. Maybe the further unravelling will be when the booster frequency is 4 months, and then three.
I am in Singapore. My Mother-in-law, total unquestioning believer of the powers that be, took the booster as soon as it was offered in early Oct. 1 month later, she has covid (past the initial 14 day period after each jab when the immune system is still dealing with the shot). They're not letting people into the hospitals unless you're about to knock off, ambulance blaring etc, so she has to do 'recovery' at home with no meds.
So (1) - her booster only lasted 1 mth in terms of infection protection. Moderate symptoms, she is perfectly healthy, early 70's with zero underlying medical issues. (2) 10+% of all the vexed hospital cases are boosted. Overall about 20% of the population has been boosted so it's a pretty quick climb up for the boosted hospital cases. (3) Singapore is similiar to Israel, in that most of the jabs are Pfizer... maybe 2% were using the Chinese vax and another 5% Moderna. My best guess is that Delta+ has found a target rich environment where most of the immune systems it's encountering is pfizer-vexed one, so has mutated to take full advantage of it.
I know people like that. Regardless of the serious effects that surely they can see happening. Yet, they seem to be blind to that. They drink up the narrative from the government and the lamestream media like it’s elixir
There are (according to some skeptics) lies in history, several of them even within (very long) living memory, that are fabrications, whoppers or deceptions on a massive scale. Deception of the masses, at times enforced by threats of loss of employment or in some cases even prison or worse, is an ancient problem.
Now, they actually have video of election officials destroying all of the voting equipment and votes from the 2020 election in Delaware County, Pa, ...while stating their intentions on the video that they intend do so before any of it can be examined. Let's see if the cult can get past it's own eyes and ears on this one.
Sadly I fear you're right. I've thought so many times that "this is it, the evidence that lays bare all the lies", and no matter how much the data, facts, truth, evidence (whatever you want to refer to it as) undermine the official narrative, those in the cult simply dig their heels in even more. I think it will take something so massive and undeniable, that it quite literally collapses the whole house of cards before their very eyes. Until then, or until we each reach the hill we're ready to die on, we must hold on as best we can and resist. I do see a bit of hope however in the "middling majority" who were hoping until now that their compliance would buy them normalcy, and who are slowly waking up to the fact that it hasn't yielded the desired return to normal. Some of them have drawn their line at jabbing their kids, and I do see a glimmer of light in that.
Gullible, credulous nature in (probably) the majority of humans has existed since the dawn of civilization. It has been much used for purposes both noble and base, whether by the first tribal leader or witch doctor, to priests and ministers, and now refined by psychology research, into tools of mass manipulation, whether by military for war, by corporations for market share, or by governments for manipulation and control.
You can't browbeat people, they get defensive. So to explain my booster skepticism (I did get vaccinated last spring, regretfully) I've tried to formulate a non-confrontational, simple list of inarguable facts:
1. Vaccines don't keep you from getting infected.
2. Vaccines don't keep you from transmitting infection (the head of the CDC said so).
3. Vaccines do provide some protection against severe symptoms and death.
4. The CDC has acknowledged they have no evidence of a previously infected person becoming reinfected and infectious.
Based on these basic facts, one has to question why the unvaccinated are being demonized, and why there is increasing pressure to be vaccinated or get boosters.
Vaccinations protects the person vaccinated against severe disease, and does not protect anyone else. Therefore, vaccination should be voluntary. People can decide for themselves about the risks and benefits.
Absolutely. I just say (and I stole it from someone I heard say it), "Where there is risk there has to be choice." But even that can trigger people! We have a whole group of people "out there" that think that there's no way that medicine could ever be risky! It's uncanny! I can die if I take a whole bottle of baby aspirin! This is so frustrating sometimes.
These people have become convinced that Covid carries a lot of risk and vaccines carry none. But messing with our immune systems always has a lot of risk. Maybe one silver lining is people will see that...but only after some pretty bad outcomes.
It's the word "safe". It's a disgusting word for regulators to use since it literally does not mean safe. Safe means there is no risk. Safe as used by regulators is a function of risk.
For quite awhile now the uber left has been obsessed with safety. They remove equipment on school playgrounds because kids might get hurt. Universities create "safe rooms". Safe safe safe, it's all about being safe.
Well the convo I had with a md was acknowledging basically no risk to kids and young healthy folks. Argument was everyone has to take vax to protect the weak, unvaced or to help recover the economy.
But that's what doesn't make sense. Getting vaccinated doesn't keep you from getting infected or from spreading the infection. So what good is it, aside from keeping you out of the hospital maybe? It does nothing to protect others.
An argument could even be made that vaccinated people, because their symptoms are not as severe, might not stay home if they get sick but rather go out and about and spread it around.
My Dr got the Pfizer and refused the J&J on religious grounds. She asked me if I'd gotten the vax yet, and I said "No and I don't intend to get it." She at least has known me long enough to not push it any farther. A few ago I refused statins too. She just said "If you change your mind, let me know."
I think it was Taleb in one of his books, probably "Black Swan", that made an interesting point: there's a difference between risk and uncertainty. In (say) investing or insurance underwriting, it's often easy to predict a risk. But it's uncertainty that is the joker in the deck, the unknown unknowns that sometimes blindside the best-laid plan. Applied to the COVID-19 pandemic, for example, by now we know with quite high confidence the risks of death by age group from the virus. It's pretty low. But for "uncertainty" the biggest would probably be the unknown long-term side effects of the vaxxes.
It's nearly impossible to see all of this madness over almost 2 years and not know in our gut (for those of us who can still reason and think) that there *has* to be another agenda behind all of this. There just has to be. These monsters can't *all* be just plain stupid. Or can they? I've felt from 2-week-in last year that something just wasn't right. I still have the same feeling. The shots don't work. But they must be doing something? Finding out what they (the shots) are really doing, to me, is the question. Maybe that's why (to my knowledge anyway) there still isn't an accurate and truthful list of the ingredients anywhere? Could it be that if the right people actually saw what is in these things there would be a public outcry or revolt? Ok. I'll shut up now. I need to go get another booster. ;-) (Oh and sorry for your shot remorse man. A lot of people really thought they were doing the right thing at the time, for themselves or their family)
Almost certainly another agenda, but like you I cant nail it down. It could be as simple as $ or as evil as a population cull. But, everyone (Medical field) knows you cannot stop upper respiratory viruses with a vaccine; mutates too fast and in a bad direction. They also know the very real risks (ie, Marek's disease in chickens) of a leaky vaccine. Scary times when you cannot figure out angle.
I know this is a stretch, but in trying to reconcile what’s behind this, my thoughts go to the Eddie Murphy movie “Trading Places”. The rich old guys make a 1$ bet and completely destroy one guy’s life and make another one’s wealthy. I envision Soros and Gates having a conversation that started something like this….. “I bet you 1$ I can make more money than you next year.” Next thing you know the whole world is upside down.
I am aware of this and agree with premise. Problem with these theories is the breadth of cooperation required to see the end play out. Run this through game theory and the path is way too complex with 7billion minds to guarantee a pre-defined end. I would be easier to convince that this is kind of a trial run to see where the bugs are.
Swine flu was a trial run. SARS 1 was a trial run. There were many others too. Lots of little tests and setup moves. They're playing a long game. Have a look at the patent record!
This is what scares me. That this is a trial run, and the next "pandemic" will be a disease that's scary enough to bring all of us recalcitrant anti-vaxxers into line.
I wanted to make a list that was as objectively neutral as possible, so as not to trigger any defensive reactions, because defensiveness turns off critical thinking. Early on I bought fully into the official line, and then gradually changed my mind based on observation of reality versus messaging.
I just started reading Roitt's essential immunology, and wrote a quick intro on it.
I think we need to change the message:
from: Vaccines provide some protection against severe symptoms and death
to: Antibodies provide some protection against severe symptoms and death
I realise this is pedantic, but hear me out: the immune system does not leap to producing antibodies when infected. There are so many layers and processes involved before it even thinks about generating antibodies. Antibodies are not immunity. "Immunity waning" is actually "antibodies waning", which is what they are meant to do when you are no longer infected with spike proteins post-vaccination, or covid virions post-infection. It's a good thing, not a bad thing!
The entire message re: vaccines and "protection" is completely wrong.
Stoichastic, and RTR... As someone diagnosed with a rare supposedly-autoimmune disease over a decade ago, I've done a lot of reading about the immune system. There's nothing like having a mysterious chronic disease to make one skeptical of the modern medical establishment.
You're absolutely correct about the distinction between immunity and antibodies. Most people only understand the immune system at the bumper sticker (or meme) level: antibodies. Never mind the innate immune system. Biological organisms are an incredibly intricate system of interconnected feedback mechanisms, of which the immune system is one of the most complex parts. That's why, normally, testing a new vaccine or other pharmaceutical is supposed to take years, because there can be unintended long-term consequences.
It's very unfortunate that the whole Covid panic, due to a number of perfect storm factors, has enabled some amazing profitability for pharmaceutical companies, who've pretty much captured government anyway, so we're going to see this kind of fast rollout of all kinds of stuff in the near future. They're already talking about an mRNA vaccine for Lyme disease (something else I have direct Intimate experience with.)
I had no prior exposure to immunology, but even at a cursory glance the system blows me away. Just amazing. And so capable, despite what we are being sold now.
Love the profile name btw, those lil water bears are marvels.
I know what you mean. My dealings with Lyme and the political and horrible decisions and directives of the CDC were my hard lessons. Also, my last vaccination put me in the hospital.
What has perplexed me for a while is why is the vaccine induced immune response - which we can assume is real on some level - is not inducing an adaptive response in B and T cells? Why is the immune response not longer lasting even once the antibodies fade? It is either not inducing an adaptive response or the target antigens have mutated. If the latter, a booster will have almost no effect.
RTR - another pet hypothesis I have is that the vaccine-induced antibodies generated against the small part of the spike only involve a few B cells and their eventual memory cells. Even vaccines that are just to toxins (like tetanus) probably provoke a broader range of B cells, and therefore even pruning of B cells down the road doesn't take all the important memory cells out of commission.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong - but have we EVER had a vaccine that elicits such a narrow range of matching B cells? Often people compare vaccines to natural infection and note the smaller range of antibody response, but this spike-tiny-section - isn't it the tiniest thing we've ever made a vaccine for?
Never. Not that I know off. We have no idea what this does. How the lipid coating interacts with our cells, or the small change in amino acids for the mRNA. Nobody really knows. Heck they don’t even know why some folks get myocarditis. Safe my ass
RTR - One hypothesis is that the vaccine does not provoke cell-mediated (T cell) immune response and memory cells, and that these ultimately are more important in long-term immunity than the vaccine-illicited imbalanced B cell humoral (antibody) response.
Ahha - but what if it is? What if the immune system does not get a chance to do its thing?
What if these people who survive with a booster would not survive without it because of whatever reason, so we force everyone to boost regardless??
There's one of 2 possibilities:
1. the vaccine does not in fact work, as you suggest
2. the immune system does work, the B and T cell adaptive response IS there, and it does what it needs BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE ANYWAY.
I think #2 is true. It's just that now we have started down this road, nobody is allowed to die of covid, so we force (potentially unnecessary) antibody production every 6 months instead of letting the immune system do its thing.
The evidence for my hypothesis is mentioned in the article I wrote - despite being not-fully vaccinated, 98.7% of people in Singapore experience mild or asymptomatic symptoms.
Do you know how many die there, non-fully vaccinated? 0.9 per 100,000. That's a CFR of 0.0009% ffs.
So, for you this whole thing is capitalist Pharma and Fauci, et al taking advantage of a growing fem culture (scared all the time) to make a bunch of cash. And the medical outcome may end up in the same spot whether or not we did anything as a society....as long as vacc not toxic somehow?
I think Fauci (administration) wanted to play god, or at least finance people playing god. It worked, they got what they were looking for: GoF was a roaring success.
Pharma want to play god (I heal you, or keep you alive at least).
The key was politicians wanting to play god - you do what i say when i say.
More than any of these three, politicians want power, they revel in it, they are psychopaths.
The money is a by-product, IMO, and it's crony capitalism, IMO, not capitalism as it could /should exist / operate. It's corrupted, but perhaps that is true of all human systems.
It doesn't matter how much salary Queensland politicians make, if they can go to one of the 2 restaurants in parliament in Qld and nobody checks they are vaccinated, but every other restaurant in the state does, and excludes unvaccinated people. Power. Elitism. That IMO is the underlying, subconscious motivation.
Otherwise, yes, what you have written is how I see it. The feminisation of society is repugnant to me, but very useful to people who wish to wield power.
"Pharma want to play god (I heal you, or keep you alive at least)"
Naw, I think for them it's all about the money. Of course power and money are all interconnected. I read in an immunological journal once a corporate pharma official actually saying, *in so many words*, they could cure MS today, but that would turn off a very profitable stream of continuous income.
I'm no fan of silver bullet theories — the idea that there's only one cause or cure for something (of course there are exceptions). No doubt there are many factors, of which profit is a huge one.
Leaving a side the issue of side effects, what worries me is the effects of the vaccine on the long term evolution of the virus population-wide, a la Geert Vanden Bossche.
Indeed, which is why testing for antibodies as a way of proving your status is just playing the game by their rules which aren't even based on sound science.
If I can get enough of a handle on immunology after reading a single chapter of a book, to know antibodies are not immunity, how could an immunologist with a degree and years experience working in it not know this?
Which is exactly the point one begins to sense something very dark is going on. I don't like going down such rabbit holes but at some point you do start to wonder because it is so obviously unscientific. For me a big clincher was the idea that natural immunity was somehow proposed to be inferior to vaccine immunity and that was BEFORE I even did some research on the immune system!
It's only the latest in a very long series of claims by the Left, sometimes that become enforceable by law. All peoples are equal; there are no measurable group differences. Any claims of differing disease risk, norms of behavior or other traits, are "racist," despite whatever scientific evidence is offered. Women are interchangeable with men; if you question this (in employment settings for example) you will be penalized by the government. The very concept that many differences are innate is anathema to these ideologues. All human beings are exactly the same, raw material that can be shaped to fit chosen goals.
"People" get pregnant, implying that men can get knocked up (this gem from the WHO earlier this year). A baby's sex is a multiple-choice question the parent can have the physician assign when the birth certificate is filled out (AMA).
Some people have a vested interest in staying silent. A lot of the population has been brainwashed into what amounts to a religion. And you can't argue religion with anybody
Agree with you completely! But it does calm the Covidians down if you can provide “proof” your immune system works. Nothing like a little digital picture to stand in for the invisible workings of someone else’s body.
EXACTLY "Antibodies provide some protection against severe symptoms and death" the vaccine may or may not initiate any level of protection, and duration is also extremely variable...the bottom line is, that each individual based on many factors will respond in their own way (The response of an 80 year old, will certainly be different than a 8 year old) furthermore, the real kicker has always been, what is the T-Cells and B-Cells and other already innate immunity responses. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has spoken and written in depth on this subject, here is an interesting piece: https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-unforgivable-sin. (the video is no longer available for some reason where he went into T-Cell/ B-cell ect. ).
In the very early days when I started digging around, I will never forget running across a statement by Tal Zaks (ya know the guy who was chief scientist brought on by Moderna who started selling off 1 million dollars of stock weekly until he reached about 60 million, then announced he was leaving Moderna before the "mRNA vaccines for SARS-CoV-2" even rolled out) he admitted that the focus would likely need to on T-Cell hinting that the current formula wasn't getting the response that would ultimately be needed. Look at the date: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns
Great post. That last paragraph verifies vacc is not inducing a long term adaptive immunity response; antibodies decline - body forgets about spike - people get sick - need booster to get more antibodies. What a great racket unless too many boosters kill the paying customer.
Like a good parasite it would seem they have managed to keep many hosts alive and suffering, which is just the ticket of course. The real rebels are the injured who shout out a giant fuck you and kill themselves. Sorry for this black hearted comment but I cannot abide what is happening.
Granted, this is way too conspiracy theory and anti-science to even think of adding to your list, I just mention it here coz I am all excited about finally getting a handle on the immune system and how it operates.
Good work. Keep reading to the parts about CD8+ (Cytotoxic) T-cells, memory phenotype. This is where the long-term heavy immunity rubber meets the road. Antibodies are batting cleanup.
Yeah, the 13th edition was published in 2017, and is the latest. As is usual with primary textbooks, a new edition is pushed out every 3-5 years at a minimum, usually with very minor changes. I just picked up a used copy of the 12th edition, 2011, for $14.
That's generally the route I've taken. It also happens to be the most honest route I can think of. Sex sells. Death sells. Fear sells. Honesty doesn't sell.
Tardigrade - what do you say when they try to tell you the unvaxxed are filling up the hospitals and keeping their grandma from getting her knee replacement?
I tell them to look at UK, Israel, and more accurate data OUTSIDE the USA. Then, I ask them if they know that partially-vaxxed in the USA are counted as unvaxxed until after 2 weeks post-dose 2. Honestly, NOTHING will change their minds. They WANT to feel safe and these jabs are the perfect concoction to live their dreamy existence. Listen, I'm at home trying to convince my 19 y.o. to stop blaming her 17 y.o. brother (high school) for her cold. He had a mild cold last week but neither her dad (53) nor I (57) got sick. So, let's focus on "your immune system". She's the one never wanting to take vit D3, vit C, etc. And the one who compulsively wears a mask everywhere she goes even where not enforced (church). Sigh... I can't seem to reach her. The level of indoctrination is deep and strong here in Oregon. Yikes.
It used to be that if someone got a cold or a flu or whatnot, they got it because, hey, that's life! (Even if they became sick after hanging out with a sick friend or co-worker, there wasn't a silly blame game.) Now people act as though contagiousness is some sort of unpardonable sin. The whole propaganda circus has infantilized some of us to a whole new level.
Oh, and anytime someone does something fun, like go to the beach or attend a conference, they trip over themselves to PROMISE that they took all the precautions "necessary," blah, blah, blah. It's like they feel guilty for having a freaking pulse. It's getting so tiring.
I remember my 99 year old grandmother telling me she never got colds etc. because she figured her immune system had experienced everything out there in her 99 years and she had immunity to every possible virus!
I don't know. That's one of those things that is confrontational because the truth of the matter is impossible to prove for the average person. I never said my argument was perfect :-)
it's good though. ;-) My friend says he'd be willing to sign a waiver to give up his ICU bed if he got COVID, if only they would keep the needles away from him.
Our local TV station carried a report of a doc saying all the local ICUs were filled, elective surgeries cancelled. His hospital had 10% ICU capacity. Hospital down the road had 40% capacity. He was pushing the state lie get vaxxed. Ugh. Here’s the link: https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization
No argument is perfect, and since people are different, what works for one might not work for others. Swapping ideas on arguments and testing them out to see what works is nonetheless useful.
"3. Vaccines do provide some protection against severe symptoms and death."
Although it appears to be waning by the day, with perhaps a negative effect in the end (which means it will INCREASE your symptoms and likelihood of death)
The story of Canada is making it hard for me to remain optimistic that the narrative will fall apart.
I know FAR too many people who said, "Oh well, I don't think I need it, but I'll just get the jab so I can go on with my life." They gave up and gave in. When the narrative shifted from, "the vaccine will end the pandemic" to "the vaccine will prevent severe illness," they said, "oh well, the experts know best." The vaccine is now mandated for restaurants, health care facilities, nursing homes, gyms, movie theatres, museums, etc. These same people who told me months ago that they would oppose mandates are now saying, "well, it's not so bad, and we can't fight this anyway," so they faithfully downloaded their obedience pass and glibly comply with all the mandates.
We are a nation of cowards. Those who do oppose the covid mandates are rapidly cancelled, silenced, and bullied out of the public discourse. The booster is now available and the sheep are all lining up for it. I could point the lies out to them all day, but they do not really care. For them, the path of least resistance is always preferable. It's impossible to imagine our idiotic leadership changing course because even those who claim to be opposed to them obey them without question.
I hope America will fully awaken and show us the way out, but Canada may never wake up. Our national anthem is now an ironic joke. We are no longer "the true north strong and free," we are now the duped north weak and enslaved, and absolutely NOBODY is standing on guard for us.
I am in Ontario. There IS a resistance here. On Sunday there was a convoy of 100 cars going from Peterborough and other places to Kingston for a rally in support of a restaurant that allows us to eat inside. I met a freedom fighter who has accumulated around $1 million in fines! There are also a couple of restaurants in Peterborough who are not complying. Also small protests every week. I feel more hopeful that eventually the truth will win. You are right that most Canadians are folding because "I want to see my grandkids" or "I want to travel."
However, things are happening below the surface. If the narrative falls apart in the US we may be able to free ourselves here as well.
Gato malo -- I really appreciate what you are doing! I forward your emails in an attempt to educate ppl.
I like the term “freedom fighters”. Will counter with this whenever someone calls me anti-vaxxer or anti-masker. I will educate them that we are fighting for YOUR freedom too!!
I'm still holding the line myself, but it's hard not to despair when those in my circle who I used to consider pillars have capitulated. But you are right. There is hope! The truth is on our side, and the lies can't be concealed forever.
I was listening to an interview with Canadians Kate Wand and Julius Ruechel. They theorized that Canadians perceive themselves as subjects rather than citizens, and as a result, they are more compliant. It's an interesting thought.
You are so correct, we are a nation of sheeple indeed! Easily coerced and manipulated. I used to joke how easy it would be for Canada to be a dictatorship régime, little did I know that it would be in my lifetime. The only hope left is US, and I pray that they will overthrow this narrative and liberate us from the tyranny.
Totally agree with your comments. I too, hope the United States show us the way out. At least many states are fighting the mandatory shots and lawsuits are flying everywhere. Not one of our provinces or territories has taken any such steps. We were lucky to get our flag up from half mast in time for Rembrance Day.
I don't know, I don't see the Narrative cracking in the least. Millions of people are still fanatically committed to the vaccine story. They can't wait to get boosters and get their kids vaccinated. And the problem is that those millions of people are concentrated in the upper reaches of society where all the power is maintained.
I sure hope so. It's like I tell people often: I know of no one *personally* who have died of strictly "covid". But I do know 6 people personally who's lives will never be the same from the shots. If I know that many, I can only imagine how many others are out there like me. Cue the Climate Emergency! lol. Love your stuff el gato. Thanks!
Gato - our pediatricians' office and several other places in town are refusing to order COVID-19 antibody tests. They say the tests don't prove anything and as such, they won't order one. I was irate, because my son's basketball team will accept antibodies as a way for him to opt out of twice/week testing. Seems to me they are tripling down on their cray-cray position.
Find a doctor (MD) who practices functional and/or naturopathic medine. They don't always take insurance (because insurance dictates how they can practice) but it's worth paying out of pocket for a doctor who isn't captured by the CDC and pharma.
Thanks. I thought I had Covid early on and had an antibody test done a month ago. This explains why it might not have shown and that there might be a more accurate test.
I don’t know where you are, but in most US states, there are independent labs that will test all kinds of things without a doctor’s order. www.anylabtestnow.com and https://www.t-detect.com/
There are also a couple that have the option of having their “independent physician” determine whether an antibody test is right for you (I would assume the questions are basically “Have you had a positive Covid test?” and “Has it been long enough since your positive test that an antibody test would actually show anything?” https://www.questdiagnostics.com/patients/get-tested/conditions/infectious-disease/covid-19/antibody
The down side is that none of these appear to be insurance covered. But I’d willingly fork out the $100-$150-ish to prevent my kid from having to be swabbed with potentially cancer-inducing tests twice a week.
Hold the line Susanna. There are more than just "antibodies" testing... go for T-Detect test. Get a ped doc that will order a titer for more than just antibodies. MORE than a decade ago, I got into a military base hospital externship via proof of a Hep B titer... I had two Hep B vax two decades ago, needed a "third shot" to complete series... I didn't do it, so in order to be accepted I offered a "Hep B titer" to show that I was still immune (without getting the third shot) #TruthBeTold they let me in based on that blood titer test.
i can't remember where i read it, but there are 30% hard core covidians, 40% in the middle just going along with whatever the dominant narrative, and 30% that will not comply. so, the 30% covidians do represent millions. but, as you say it's that middle 40%, which won't voice any opinions but will suddenly change their behaviors to fit in with the dominant narrative, that matters.
For example, in Latvia, and this is the LAW now, you can't work outside of your home if you are unvaccinated. Only remote work for the dirty jews. Good luck finding a job or keeping one. It's be vaxxed or starve, but it's still voluntary.
You people are way too good-hearted and too hopeful and you still hold illusions about fairness, good prevailing, and democracy.
oh, this will not be won by "democracy" this will be won by non-compliance and people rising up.
the problem with small, highly centralized countries like latvia, is they have unified control structures. the US really does not. will be easier for states to rebel.
people are in the streets and striking in italy, france, the netehrlands, and austria is exploding.
the police and the army have said they will not stand with the government.
focusing only on black pill depression is how you lose.
Because we are seeing all the lies since June and we also see that nothing happens. And they are coming after our arms anyway. That is why some of us find very difficult to remain optmisitic.
A nascent tyranny is much happier with a population of compliant sheep. They can be herded, vaccinated, sheared and as needed, penned or slaughtered. Much, indeed I'd say most, of the "free" world meets that description and has for generations. While the USA is far down that road to dystopia too, unlike most nations, we still have a large fraction of the population where the sheep are more like mountain goats and are well-armed. Some of them may yet be subdued; but many of them are willing to fight and die for their freedoms. In either case, it will be extremely costly for the Wolf trying to lasso them.
Yes, I’m in Sydney. People are protesting. In Melbourne last week. They estimated upwards of 50,000 people in front of the parliament. (Even though lame stream media said there were only a 1000 or so
I live in Canada and our mainstream news never mentions or shows any of the wonderful protests taking place in Australia. Also, ever since the numbers for covid dramatically dropped in India they are never on our news. But the news was delighted to air all stories from India when their numbers were high. Now it doesn't fit their narrative. Thank God for alternative media and substacks like this. Otherwise we would never get the real truth.
Even within blue states in the US, the inclination to comply vs. rebel is extremely variable. I live in Maryland, which is at the state level deep blue, and our politics is dominated by the devolutionary psychopathy of Baltimore and the virtue preening of the affluent close-in DC suburbs. But I live on the rural Eastern Shore, and out here we have been exercising "Irish Democracy" since a year ago March. I fly out of a Class Delta airport in Talbot Co. that is forced by the FAA to post signs mandating masks on the property. I haven't seen a mask on the place ever, with the exception of a party of timid-looking females that were waiting to be escorted out to a charter jet.
You like people giving you false sense of hope because then you don’t have to take any responsibility for what’s happening. Plus you don’t have to change your ways and no need to face the reality.
I think focusing on wishful thinking is how you lose.
It is depressive, there’s no way around it. It does not mean I’m going to take it laying down while doing nothing.
Your riots mean nothing in face of economic collapse and a tyrannical government.
You surprise me with your optimism. You write about it all all the time and know very well what these governments have done and keep on doing. But, you still cling to an idea that riots will stop this madness. Maybe that’s exactly what powers that be want. A class war.
It’s a fucking global takeover. Riots mean fuck all.
I’m not sure why so many people seem determined to be clinging to their illusory hope of it ending or people actually putting an end to it.
I pray to God that you're right, Gato!! Here in Oregon, the masses are in trance over the eternal mandates (masking and jabs). Parents happily lining up their kiddos for the injections. UGH!
My husband has a friend who lives in Bend, Oregon. Although officially the coronavirus rules are all in place, in practice, he said they are much looser there. I mention this because maybe this is a sign that some sanity is returning bit by bit. (For example, people aren't wearing masks outside and his wife was recently hospitalized. Despite having front doors guarded by National Guard, they never once asked the friend for vaccine proof. He was able to visit his wife without a problem.)
Asensible - sadly, I might be with you on this one. I think, perhaps what is ACTUALLY happening is that those of us that have been skeptical all along are seeing more and more data that is supporting the reasonableness of us being skeptical. We are finding more and more confirmation to validate our original cautious take.
But the other side? They were never skeptical, and logic is not part of their decision-making. ugh. frustrating.
We're soon going to be at a point where everybody will personally know somebody vaxx-injured. The cognitive dissonance will be deafening, and many will reach for alternative explanations. Have yours ready!
Their numbers may be culled in coming years. This is both good and bad. Bad in the sense that a lot of talented people will have needlessly died. Good in the sense that a lot of useless people, very much a drain on society in terms of what they give back to society, will also be removed from the rolls. To the extent the "vaxx" is deadly, it will effectively be Darwinian selection against blind faith in Big Government. That may be a very long term positive for our species.
LOL. Great thread. So happy I found a Cat with a bad attitude because laughs are needed right now. It's hard to walk around and see sheep everywhere and know that their immune system is a ticking time bomb. It makes me sad.
I believed them because people, hundreds of thousands of them all over the world, were getting the shots and no one seemed to be keeling over -- it really seemed to be safe. Then I started hearing about future prion diseases, spike proteins zipping thru the veins instead of staying in the shoulders, Guillain-Barré syndrome, even hints of Parkinson's. I immediately started researching -- I got everything suggested to counteract the jab. Pine needle tea. Chaga Mushroom Tea. NAC. I was already on the FLCCC prophylactic protocol. I am old -- way past my life expectancy,, but I exercise, yoga, tai chi, and feel (mentally) as young as I did decades ago, so ::shrug:: whatever will be, will be; but it's the children, our children and grandchildren, and the powerful enticing and sometimes forcing them to take the jab, even if they've had covid. Ignore natural immunity? Now this is the stab to my heart for the young ones. I haven't even mentioned the reaction of so many young men with the pericarditis and the myocarditis or the heart attacks and strokes of the older people.
I think we are all excited and ready for the release of COVIDIA the board game ( a cross between Life and Scategories?) where you get to choose certain starting points but you can never go back... categories include unvaxxed, unvaccinated-exposed-but-seronegative, unvaccinated-naturally-infected, partially-vaxxed, fully vaxxed, naturally-infected-with-added-vax, partially-vaxxed-injured, fully-vaxxed-injured, and so on...
Coming soon: COVIDIA the game booster pack with all new categories: boosted, fully vaxxed-unboosted.
In the near future: COVIDIA Super Booster Pack, new and improved categories: monoboosted, duoboosted, triboosted, quatroboosted...
We are suffering from "Battered Nation Syndrome." Incarceration and forced biological experiments and we take it. See if any of these nuggets fit the situation:
They're definitely in a tough spot. How do you convince people to get a shot while simultaneously telling those who have gotten that same shot that they are not protected?
They dont use logic, they use trauma. Many people are in a hive mind, and literally have handed over their agency. Their trigger words are safe and effective when coming from the authority. The state is a classic narcissistic abuser.
That's so true. My daughter sees her cardiologist every few years for a congenital issue. While there I asked his opinion of the vaxx for kids. Just out of curiosity (I am NOT vaxxed and NOT vaxxing my kids). He says "oh they are safe and effective." I was floored. Like just verbatim slogans.
2020 - I think they must know at this point that the already jabbed are the easier prey. Many of those dopes will just keep lining up in perpetuity. They've practically convinced themselves it's like taking a vitamin or something.
For those of that have been long hold-outs? For us nothing but punishments of varying levels are coming.
Yes, I think so too. After they max out the jabs, people are primed to take the new pills endlessly. Voila! Perpetual revenue stream from virtually everyone.
But they aren't even good at that. How could you not be better at this? With some of this information and seeing what they've done I'm moving more away from the conspiracy to that they just dumb as shit!!
My theory is generally always somewhere in the middle. There are conspirators. And there are useful idiots. And there well-meaning people inflicted with myopia.
My message to those who have assumed control (Mainly using self-appointed emergency powers). Often assuming and using fear, you created the atmosphere of urgency to coerce many to accept the vaccine, for the good of the majority.
However, despite the best use of 'Nudge/Propaganda and censorship', slowly but surely the alternative view has spread through the population in most countries.
Little things like allowing the vaccines to be used under politically motivated emergency licensing, with the pharmaceutical companies being protected from legal action, are a huge civil rights issue.
More recently nations bringing in apartheid based on segregation based on enforced medical procedures, has further established the devide between self-appointed pseudo-governments and democratic rights.
In 1930s Germany, it didn't end well. Eventually the same will be true again.
At least in the 1930 the entire world didn't jump off the deep end simultaneously. There were many people to fight and rein in the evil doers. Nowadays, I have to wonder if there is any major group with power to overwhelm them.
No ruling oligarchy ever was (nor, probably ever will be) free of internal factions. The Soviet Union's many purges are a good example. So to answer your question, with speculation: Yes, there are or will almost certainly be groups that will fight amongst themselves. This will lead to unpredictable changes, or a collapse, of the current systems. Alas, the tiny folk (the vast majority of the population) must invariably suffer collateral damage.
Germany was fine in the 1930s (except certain, er, unfavored parts of society). Now the 1940s... 🤔 I concede the point, that it began in 1930s (or even earlier, e.g. the defeat of WW I, or whatever reference point an historian might choose.)
Back during 2020 and the death numbers were being broadcast daily, the logic was that people with Covid and died were recorded as having died of Covid not merely having died with Covid. Remember? Reading the UK PHE data linked to in the above article this quote is under the data regarding deaths “Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.”
This same line of thinking was shunned during 2020 when they wanted Covid death numbers to be as scary as possible. Now it’s encouraged to minimize the number of vaccinated deaths. ? Am I seeing it right? If not please assist.
the other scary thing is that now we have people on both sides - myself included, to my deep sorrow and sadness- some weird satisfaction when we learn of a person who died because it fits their narrative.
Example: Friend, 57 male, dropped dead from a massive heart attack late Oct. We just found out. "Was he vaxxed?" is not really something we feel we can ask but I assumed he was because they asked donations be made to National Public Radio and he didn't have a real funeral. Dropped dead, talking to wife one minute and dead the next. I am sorry he died but to be honest I popped that arrow in my quiver to use.
But both sides do it. A person "fit" person is hospitalized with the covid and the smug Pro Shots person is all "well, if they would have vaxxed...."
I just hate we are gaining in smugness over untimely deaths. Those em-effers foisting this b.s. on us are the sickest of us all.
There have been more than a few very strange obituaries the last few months where I live. YOUNG men mostly (20s, 30s, 40s mostly) , described as "dying unexpectedly" or "suddenly". No mention of vaxes or covid or any kind of illness at all, but I have to wonder about it. I've lived here for 34 years and have never seen anything like this.
Yes, I fear the divide in the US can never be healed. How could there be any trust after this? And yes, the powers that be should be damned to you know where.
Absolutely agree. I notice it in myself too. I started deleting contacts who vax their kids and virtue signaling it on SM as too far gone to reach, then I stopped because I thought it might be useful to keep track of what happens. Yuck. I do not want any of these kids to have bad results!! But more than that I don’t want my children to be victimized. That is my basest instinct. So bring on the shitshow ASAP before it’s our turn to squirm. I’ll repent later.
It means that this person, whose obituary "joked" about how he attended numerous "Catholic" schools throughout his life, whose now-passed mother was a old-school Catholic, a man who had a storied career in photojournalism and many friends through his community and family had a 4 hour "visitation" at a funeral home. There was no actual funeral or mention of prayer service or any kind of formal send off that we were able to learn of from others who may know more or in the obit. That is odd to me and others of this group of friends who knew him.
2020 was about Trump. But they made some of the most egotistical people on the planet into heroes and television / Tipton celebrities. They've been trying to shut it off for almost the entire year but everytime they try to change topic, the new celebrity class does whatever they can to keep themselves relevant. The old celebrity class is powerless and pathetic at this point. They need a new crisis that will forcibly change the news cycle but the crisis needs to be on par with the virus hysteria. Either a foreign war where they can control a narrative or a new great depression where they cede control in the short term? Not sure what will be enough to reset this thing.
Gato. I tend to agree with Al. I still see too many people believing the lies, going for their boosters, and willing to inoculate their children. They have bought the worse lie of all; if they don't do as they are told, they will die of covid... But I certainly hope you are right, and everything will start falling.
I have a friend like that. Her grandkids 5 and 8 just hit vaxxed. She talks about avoiding maskless stores and church which has a mix. Most of my friends are getting the booster. Sigh.
My son's employer insists that management employees must take the jab because they need to be "leaders" in the fight against covid. I have a recurring fantasy that I find where upper management lives and force them, Clockwork Orange style, to watch the Frontline doctors videos.
Oh, and their reasoning for *not* mandating the jab for hourly employees is because they, the company, are afraid that so many of them would quit rather than take the jab that it would greatly harm the business.
So...the company is more concerned with their business' health than with the general welfare, IF the jabs work. And if the jabs DON'T work...then WTF are they mandating it for the salaried employees??
Absolute shit for brains and shit for integrity at the top echelon of that company.
They've only suspended it, pending the litigation. They can still reinstate it later. And an employer can impose its own mandate if it so chooses, even if OSHA and every other governmental agency don't issue the directives.
The problem is with sh*theads who seem to occupy, disproportionately, the top spots at much of corporate America.
I’ve a general understanding of clinical trials. There is NO way I would ever get injected with an experimental drug with zero long term data….for a “virus” with a 99% survival rate. That’s insane. Period. Full stop.
I saw this whole covid thing as a hoax by March 20, 2020. And watching all this mess unfold has been so frustrating, with me warning people of everything that has come to pass. And it's still happening, and people STILL don't believe me. Just insane. I guess what I underestimated was how easy it was to brainwash most people. THanks, kitteh, you do a great job of documenting all this!!
I did fall for that line. But now I am here, and I am awake, and I am mad.
Wait to see how mad parents are when they see what happens to their children
Welcome. We don’t discriminate. We don’t blame people that believe them and hoped for a better future.
What about the malicious? I'm keen to discriminate there.
I wish the magic worked only when they said the magic words "lockdown the unvaccinated." or something like that. The rest are welcomed back home.
Some are actually OK with it - that's how brainwashed they are. It's nothing new, children have been sacrificed to the 'greater good' throughout history... by the insane.
Yes. I was told it’s ok to sacrifice children for ‘the greater good’. A parent said that. I was floored.
But that parent gets social points for that, see, so it's all good. This is what happens when narcissists are continually rewarded. I consider parents like this to be the Munchausen by Proxy types. It's all for social credit and attention, when you boil it down.
I agree. I know many here in the Bay Area that do it for social point. The medical personnel I know has been utterly brainwashed it’s ok to sacrifice yourself and your children. When they should be focusing on primo non nocere
This is why I left the Bay area in August, 2020. I saw a lot of the writing on the wall and boy am I glad to be hiding out in a leafy suburb ATM.
good point. sad point. horrific.
No words 😶
😳😖
And P.S. that 'parent' is a psychopath...
He’s otherwise normal. But in medicine and this brainwashed to ‘think of the herd before children’. It’s insane. I said sorry bro this is against the oath you took. I think he started to think about this. I made the argument it’s never ok to sacrifice children for the benefit of adults. Never. Ever. Acceptable. Immoral.
My gawd. Could anyone have foreseen this level of brainwashing coming? Not I. And I have been reading about mind control programs for 20 years.
I hope your argument wakes him up!
Mom. Put your clothes back on for goodness sakes.
Sacrifices of children to Moloch for influence, wealth, and power were a big thing in Jericho before a certain tribe came and knocked the city down.
You can't make a vaccine omelet without breaking a few kiddie eggs.
still so heartbreaking. A generation of people with heart problems
its too late by then
I find comments like this very encouraging. I bought into a lot of it too at first, then spent a few weeks feeling like my worldview was disintegrating. Very disorienting.
I always thought my wife's vaccines concerns were crazy but she was right all along. Fortunately she and my son did not get it. Now we probably have to move but it's a no-brainer to do it.
Good for you! It's not always easy to change one's perspective, especially when you've put something in your body. I'm so glad you're protecting your son. 💕
You are not alone in. And I will add that those who I know who did it and regretted it and will do it no more... massive respect. Also, you married well.
My wife was years ahead of this vaccine madness as well. I really never paid much attention until this craziness took over and I committed myself to research. I’ve always known she was smart, just didn’t realize how smart. I’m a lucky man.
I hope my spouse will arrive at your conclusion too! I think it’s wonderful you are open. I swear I will never say told you so just welcome to the dark side 😂
I'll pray for your husband unless you object.
Thank you. I do not object. I’m spiritual and otherwise truly tolerant and would never judge or scoff at such a kind offer.
You must have good mental flexibility, to overcome all the cognitive dissonance most people are experiencing right now who were in your position. Good for you.
You in CA?
I saw through things early on in the pandemic, largely because the actions did fit with the notion of public health from a holistic point of view, and I had a lot of time to research during lock downs.
But I’m still reeling from the disintegration of my worldview, so I can definitely relate. Nothing is as it seemed, trust is shattered… definitely very disorienting and I think I’m still grieving (still in anger stage I think!).
I knew this was a SCAM from Day 1. I have the e-mails and essays to prove it.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/vaxx-promoters-resemble-timeshare
I'm sorry. 😟 I was redpilled some years ago & still nearly fell for their lies initially. Even people with more training in healthcare than I fell for it hook, line & sinker.
A bitter pill to swallow ...
My doctor was super based before Covid. After Covid he’s a total nut job banning unvaccinated from his practice and refusing to discuss concerns about the vaccine. Doctors seem to be especially vulnerable to misinformation about the vax … they still think it’s safe and effective.
Shaman, he must be "a total nut job" because of his cognitive dissonance. How can he admit that he was wrong? He won't be able to live with himself if he admits it and can't live with himself if he doesn't admit it.
Does the dose of MSM propaganda sustain him?
u should be...do not trust ever again what they have to say.
And don't trust what they've been saying for decades! This didn't just start in 2020. Too many people think exactly that.
History, nutrition, medicine, Science!, and on and on. It's all riddled with lies. Open your minds folks, and swallow those red pills.
I feel lucky that back in '84 or so, a Harvard Health doctor left me to die to avoid hurting his bonus by running a cbc. I had septicemia & my cash-paid dentist saved my life.
Wow. I hope that’s an only in America thing (I’m Australian). Though Australia has been betraying me a lot lately
What do you mean by running a cbc?
A cbc test would have shown critically elevated white count, but would have cost the hmo a few hundred $$. At the time, HMOs paid bonuses to Drs based on *not* running diagnostic tests.
My symptoms were severe & blatant. The extreme weight loss alone (20+% in a matter of a few weeks. I looked like a skeleton) was enough to kill. Dr told me it was all in my head & sent me to counseling. Counselor took one look at me & blanched.
Complete blood count test? Everything is coded and billed, down to boxes of tissue, bottles of water, and cotton swabs.
Ugh
Absolutely-Amen
Sometimes it’s too much all at once, I think. Baby steps! We need people to keep a hold of their sanity lol
"Say can I have some of your purple berries [Iodine tablets]?
Yes I've been eating them for six or seven weeks now. Haven't got sick once.
Probably keep us both alive."
-- "Wooden Ships" by bunch of 60s hippies. Song is an allegory of a post-nuclear war existence.
You'd better believe it. WWI & II and beyond. The ruling class has been controlling the population by deception for over a thousand years- http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html
(Don't be deterred by the sunspot stuff, it's not new age wuwu, he covers the charge field theory on his science site- http://milesmathis.com/index.html
All those government officials who pushed this thing, not to mention the Pharma executives, need to go to jail for this. Totally unacceptable. Criminal negligence at the very least. More like willful criminal conduct.
People need to watch Glenn Beck’s recent revelations on the Blaze if havent get. Showing how Fauci and co were responsible, how they manipulated everything to cover their butts, and then make money off the mRNA jabs they half owned by pushing the jabs. Not all new, but some of it was, and he brought together a lot of disparate info from diff sources (drastic, Dr David Martin, Whitney Webb).
i always preferred the idea of public caning. it would make good half-time entertainment. sell raffle tickets for the privilege of swinging the cane or submit your representative to swing it. this might sting a bit:
https://66.media.tumblr.com/aaa4630da676ac2dc96116e4176d0a1c/28556b85ff2fe271-f0/s2048x3072/8ed7d70c426e50f9a81148cd583b854d53b24ae2.jpg
I'm glad you survived.
Yeah so far. I'm planning on a strict anti-cancer diet for the next 5 years or so. At least I didn't get the mRNA
I hear u. I didn’t want it at all but got one pfizer before I quit my job and told them to eff off. I knew it was bad. My livelihood was threatened. I found a different way. I’m detoxing too.
What’s the best detox!
I've heard ozone therapy and intravenous vitamin C.
Keto?
yes. keto, 16:8 intermittent, hot and cold shocks, etc.
Hopefully it's mostly saturated fat - no toxic seed oils. And little olive and avocado (due to the massive corruption/adulteration with seed oils).
You can get pure but certain brands only
Maybe add a course of black seed oil or NAC for good measure?
Yes. Low carb/keto and
Fasting. Read about autophagy.
What did you get? I doubt the dna is any better.
Cancer wise it is probably not as that Examiner op ed discussed: https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/28/applying-brakes-on-warp-speed-covid-19-vaccination/
But those mRNA microlipids cross the blood brain barrier as well as the gametes. So then I'd have to worry about my immune systems attacking them as foreign, basically forever, or I so I think I understand it.
That’s exactly my concern with the vaccines: how long does the “risk” of the shots last? People act like it’s a one time risk, like sky diving. But I think of it as as 24/7/365 risk.
The risk continues until our death. N long term studies - because most vaccine side effects occur shortly after innoculation?? Bunk!! No one knows long term risk of an experimental gene therapy.
Exactly. Forever I don’t know, depends when you stop producing the spike protein and then whether you have developed autoimmunity from it.
Thanks for the link, that’s the first time I’ve seen a MSM post an article truthfully explaining the shots
I think it is amazing that you sorted it to know what the POTENTIAL consequences are. I wonder how you came to where you are now. What changed your mind finally?
There are several docs who have put out guides on what to take to detox the shots.
Can you link us on those? Not that I got the shot, but I have friends who did.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...well...uhhh...you better not fool me again!
I think that should be "Pfool me"
Many did. As a physician I got vaccinated as early as possible in the hopes that doing so would help reduce transmission. Even though they don’t the vast majority of the health care system still supports vaccine mandates.
But not to fear! CMS is here!.... to mandate every employee of long term care nursing facilities, hospitals, dialysis centers, all vendors that work with these entities and all health care providers who have privileges at CMS funded entities or who have patients who use them.
Did you also buy a timeshare?
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/vaxx-promoters-resemble-timeshare
You are totally forgiven, Eric.
Good for you! We've all been there.
Welcome back, Eric. Hold the line.
As you rightfully should !
The narrative SHOULD be unravelling, but it is NOT. There are answers to all of the facts --on the ready, and they may not make sense, but they are enough for people who need to continue to believe. I argue with people all the time, and it's literally like they've been drugged. They "don't care" that it doesn't work when they were assured it would, they don't mind that they have to take a 3rd shot in less than a year, they don't care that the data is being withheld, or about VAERS or anything you can throw at them.
It was never about facts. They picked their side and they're sticking to it. And the media is right there to back them up. The CDC keeps announcing they have new data which proves the narrative and it's the unicorn juice they all desperately need.
It's called Mass Formation. 30% are True Believers, 40% sort-of go along (flock effect, or like a school of fish), and then the last 30% are us: we know exactly what's going on. We need to convince that 40 % and get them on our side. You cannot reason nor present facts to the True Believers. They will never change. The people who burned witches way back? well, they were True Believers and went to their grave thinking they did the right thing!
My neighbor has a pHD in Pharmacology and works in big pharma. He's a true believer in every sense of the word. He knows the minute risk in kids but he's getting his littles vaxxed. Even if you can make a strong case for the individual risk benefit not being favorable, he pivots to the greater good, and the social contract we have with society. The expectation is that you are willing to roll the dice to protect the most vulnerable, and that any small impact in the risk of transmission. That a 1:4000 risk of a server adverse event is just the tax you pay to be a good citizen.
Maybe it's the Mama Bear coming out in me, but I'm not sacrificing my children for a "social contract." My duty as a mother is to protect them. I don't understand why on earth someone would have that philosophy and I don't know of many mothers who would share that viewpoint either. On top of it, the "most vulnerable" are CHILDREN who have their whole lives in front of them, not the elderly. What's wrong with your neighbor??? Weirdo.
I was called selfish. No I think a 79 year old who demands kids to take such risk is selfish.
How about he just admit he's scared and stop the feel good BS?
You are not alone, Mama Bear! It'd be a cold day in hell before I'd stick any untested poison in my kiddos' arms. Greater good, my azz!!!
The Social Contract was rendered null and void due to bad faith on one party's fault (the government) long ago. You are by no means under any obligation to abide by what you thought the contractual terms were.
These same NIMBYs preach about diversity and equality but would never let an immigrant family move in with them.
Yes, and live in $1 million+ homes which "equal housing opportunity" allowed any to buy, and send their children to a $40,000 per year private school that proudly proclaims that it does not discriminate by race or several other "protected classes." 🙂
Sounds like a regular Ms Baerbock 😆
Well, there's a cultural reference I don't get. Who is that?
She was running for chancellor in Germany. Green Party.
And that's the weakest argument of all--the common good. Getting vaxxed doesn't help anyone, not your mom, grandma, the old man next door. Society gets no benefit from any of this--that's the virtue signaling appeal--it works.
It's so sad that they are ignoring what seems obvious to us and is.
I don't think the risk is that minute in the younger population - the number of adverse events that have been reported is very concerning if you consider that approximately 1% of adverse events are reported to VAERS. No similarly-touted agents would have been allowed continued administration in the past with this number of reports of likely harm. In addition, most children have almost zero risk of dying or being seriously affected from COVID anyway. Why jab them?
Beyond that, I think you can make a very strong argument against anyone being protected by the COVID jabs, either receiving them personally or by their contacts being jabbed. The jabs don't prevent infection or transmission, and I doubt any agent against COVID ever will.
I believe he was referring to the minute risk to kids from COVID, not the shots.
Upon re-reading it, I believe you are correct. Thank you for noting that.
I got the same. No argument against was accepted. Social contract or else. What’s the smartest way to counter this with their mindset.
Ask if their version of a 'social contract' includes sacrificing kids for no goddamned reason.
I don’t know. Not even death changes their minds. I blame the media. It singlehandedly perpetuates these lies and blacks out facts across all channels and outlets. That’s powerful.
There is no counter-argument with the 30% that are under the spell of mass formation. None at all. Not even the death of their child or even their own death will break the spell. In the final stage of mass formation, all semblance of 'self' is erased. There is no individual, only the collective, and your sacrifices for the collective good only strengthen the social bonds you have formed with the collective. To destroy that bond would be akin to suicide. The narrative that binds this collective in solidarity no longer needs any basis in reality. The more ludicrous the narrative, the stronger the bond. Humanity teeters on the edge of an abyss.
While I do agree that the media (includes quite a few entities) is complicit and culpable, I don't give those hypnotized by the media any pass at all. Their choice to not be critical thinkers. Weak and dizzy all over.
Yes but think about living this ordinary life and months and months go by with the same false message— and literally no counter-message. Especially for young people. That’s hard to see at all and even tougher to navigate. I’ve even had to check in with myself and ask, “am I crazy?”
Close relatives made the case to me for the vax: 1) it's for the common good, 2) "we'll be so sad not to be able to see you unless you get the vax". In other words, 1) judging the unvaxxed as selfish and evil, and 2) emotional blackmail. One of my reactions to 1) is that the pro-vax premise is all wrong. If you assume the vax is completely safe and protects others, then it could be in the common interest for all to get it. But if it is not safe and/or only protects the one who gets it, there is no public health benefit. In fact, if adverse effects are widespread, it's bad for the common good because then a lot of people will be sick or dead. Since we don't know the long-term effects of the injections, you can't claim it is for the greater good since many people could end up harmed by it in the long run. That is a kind of practical argument. In addition, there are philosophical arguments, e.g. the individual is taking on risk by getting the jab and therefore it should be only an individual choice with no mandates/coercion/guilt-tripping to get them to do it.
My BIL is a pharmacist as well. He's not getting it. Not giving to his love, obviously. There is hope.
He's right: if he's willing to remove himself and his offspring from the gene pool, then that IS truly for the greater good.
There is also the problem of "survivorship bias." A group of enthusiasts in a risky venture, say, rock climbing, might discuss the dangers of the sport. "But all of us here have been doing it for years with no major problems!" observes one, validly enough. Too easily forgotten are those who fell and died or otherwise taken out of the game. To the collective mind, it's just the same as if the unfortunates had never existed.
There are a lot people who received the jab who are not true believers but they also don't want to admit they were duped for various reasons. I think most will come around to our side over time.
Yes!
"us" :)
Not to mention censorship... people think they're smart, "doing their own research," but when Google censors the search results, or when FB/Tuatter/IG ban posts and posters, it reinforces "the official narrative."
We TRULY are living in 1984.
sadly, this is my experience with people who have been jabbed, including one of my sisters. Covidians are a really faithful bunch.
I agree, it may be unraveling for some, but a majority are propagandized. They've been propagandized with fear, lie repetition and narcissistic goodies of being one of the "good people". I think for these people, it will take a life experience to wake them up out of this. The life experience might be the death or vaccine injury of a loved one as the original dose of vaccine fades and more people take boosters, increasing their risk of side effects. It may be the institution of more totalitarianism in their country that wakes up the feeling that something is not right.
There are whisper numbers of the boosters wearing off faster than the 2 does regimen. Maybe the further unravelling will be when the booster frequency is 4 months, and then three.
I am in Singapore. My Mother-in-law, total unquestioning believer of the powers that be, took the booster as soon as it was offered in early Oct. 1 month later, she has covid (past the initial 14 day period after each jab when the immune system is still dealing with the shot). They're not letting people into the hospitals unless you're about to knock off, ambulance blaring etc, so she has to do 'recovery' at home with no meds.
So (1) - her booster only lasted 1 mth in terms of infection protection. Moderate symptoms, she is perfectly healthy, early 70's with zero underlying medical issues. (2) 10+% of all the vexed hospital cases are boosted. Overall about 20% of the population has been boosted so it's a pretty quick climb up for the boosted hospital cases. (3) Singapore is similiar to Israel, in that most of the jabs are Pfizer... maybe 2% were using the Chinese vax and another 5% Moderna. My best guess is that Delta+ has found a target rich environment where most of the immune systems it's encountering is pfizer-vexed one, so has mutated to take full advantage of it.
Yes, that looks to be the case so far.
You can't fool *all* the people all the time, but you can fool a large percentage of them.
I know people like that. Regardless of the serious effects that surely they can see happening. Yet, they seem to be blind to that. They drink up the narrative from the government and the lamestream media like it’s elixir
Just like Russiagate. Generally the same people too. Facts all over the place now, they refuse to look.
There are (according to some skeptics) lies in history, several of them even within (very long) living memory, that are fabrications, whoppers or deceptions on a massive scale. Deception of the masses, at times enforced by threats of loss of employment or in some cases even prison or worse, is an ancient problem.
Now, they actually have video of election officials destroying all of the voting equipment and votes from the 2020 election in Delaware County, Pa, ...while stating their intentions on the video that they intend do so before any of it can be examined. Let's see if the cult can get past it's own eyes and ears on this one.
Sadly I fear you're right. I've thought so many times that "this is it, the evidence that lays bare all the lies", and no matter how much the data, facts, truth, evidence (whatever you want to refer to it as) undermine the official narrative, those in the cult simply dig their heels in even more. I think it will take something so massive and undeniable, that it quite literally collapses the whole house of cards before their very eyes. Until then, or until we each reach the hill we're ready to die on, we must hold on as best we can and resist. I do see a bit of hope however in the "middling majority" who were hoping until now that their compliance would buy them normalcy, and who are slowly waking up to the fact that it hasn't yielded the desired return to normal. Some of them have drawn their line at jabbing their kids, and I do see a glimmer of light in that.
What's worrisome is when what is left of the cult becomes a mob looking for scapegoats.
This is my experience too…
Gullible, credulous nature in (probably) the majority of humans has existed since the dawn of civilization. It has been much used for purposes both noble and base, whether by the first tribal leader or witch doctor, to priests and ministers, and now refined by psychology research, into tools of mass manipulation, whether by military for war, by corporations for market share, or by governments for manipulation and control.
You can't browbeat people, they get defensive. So to explain my booster skepticism (I did get vaccinated last spring, regretfully) I've tried to formulate a non-confrontational, simple list of inarguable facts:
1. Vaccines don't keep you from getting infected.
2. Vaccines don't keep you from transmitting infection (the head of the CDC said so).
3. Vaccines do provide some protection against severe symptoms and death.
4. The CDC has acknowledged they have no evidence of a previously infected person becoming reinfected and infectious.
Based on these basic facts, one has to question why the unvaccinated are being demonized, and why there is increasing pressure to be vaccinated or get boosters.
Vaccinations protects the person vaccinated against severe disease, and does not protect anyone else. Therefore, vaccination should be voluntary. People can decide for themselves about the risks and benefits.
5. Outside of a few high risk groups, Covid isn't even dangerous.
Not necessary for my argument. My argument is that vaccination should be voluntary. The dangerousness of covid is one of those trigger issues.
Absolutely. I just say (and I stole it from someone I heard say it), "Where there is risk there has to be choice." But even that can trigger people! We have a whole group of people "out there" that think that there's no way that medicine could ever be risky! It's uncanny! I can die if I take a whole bottle of baby aspirin! This is so frustrating sometimes.
These people have become convinced that Covid carries a lot of risk and vaccines carry none. But messing with our immune systems always has a lot of risk. Maybe one silver lining is people will see that...but only after some pretty bad outcomes.
It's the word "safe". It's a disgusting word for regulators to use since it literally does not mean safe. Safe means there is no risk. Safe as used by regulators is a function of risk.
For quite awhile now the uber left has been obsessed with safety. They remove equipment on school playgrounds because kids might get hurt. Universities create "safe rooms". Safe safe safe, it's all about being safe.
Well the convo I had with a md was acknowledging basically no risk to kids and young healthy folks. Argument was everyone has to take vax to protect the weak, unvaced or to help recover the economy.
But that's what doesn't make sense. Getting vaccinated doesn't keep you from getting infected or from spreading the infection. So what good is it, aside from keeping you out of the hospital maybe? It does nothing to protect others.
An argument could even be made that vaccinated people, because their symptoms are not as severe, might not stay home if they get sick but rather go out and about and spread it around.
My Dr got the Pfizer and refused the J&J on religious grounds. She asked me if I'd gotten the vax yet, and I said "No and I don't intend to get it." She at least has known me long enough to not push it any farther. A few ago I refused statins too. She just said "If you change your mind, let me know."
I think it was Taleb in one of his books, probably "Black Swan", that made an interesting point: there's a difference between risk and uncertainty. In (say) investing or insurance underwriting, it's often easy to predict a risk. But it's uncertainty that is the joker in the deck, the unknown unknowns that sometimes blindside the best-laid plan. Applied to the COVID-19 pandemic, for example, by now we know with quite high confidence the risks of death by age group from the virus. It's pretty low. But for "uncertainty" the biggest would probably be the unknown long-term side effects of the vaxxes.
And of those high risk groups, they have to be on their way out already for it to kill them.
It's nearly impossible to see all of this madness over almost 2 years and not know in our gut (for those of us who can still reason and think) that there *has* to be another agenda behind all of this. There just has to be. These monsters can't *all* be just plain stupid. Or can they? I've felt from 2-week-in last year that something just wasn't right. I still have the same feeling. The shots don't work. But they must be doing something? Finding out what they (the shots) are really doing, to me, is the question. Maybe that's why (to my knowledge anyway) there still isn't an accurate and truthful list of the ingredients anywhere? Could it be that if the right people actually saw what is in these things there would be a public outcry or revolt? Ok. I'll shut up now. I need to go get another booster. ;-) (Oh and sorry for your shot remorse man. A lot of people really thought they were doing the right thing at the time, for themselves or their family)
Almost certainly another agenda, but like you I cant nail it down. It could be as simple as $ or as evil as a population cull. But, everyone (Medical field) knows you cannot stop upper respiratory viruses with a vaccine; mutates too fast and in a bad direction. They also know the very real risks (ie, Marek's disease in chickens) of a leaky vaccine. Scary times when you cannot figure out angle.
Sadly most doctors don’t know this.
I know this is a stretch, but in trying to reconcile what’s behind this, my thoughts go to the Eddie Murphy movie “Trading Places”. The rich old guys make a 1$ bet and completely destroy one guy’s life and make another one’s wealthy. I envision Soros and Gates having a conversation that started something like this….. “I bet you 1$ I can make more money than you next year.” Next thing you know the whole world is upside down.
I am aware of this and agree with premise. Problem with these theories is the breadth of cooperation required to see the end play out. Run this through game theory and the path is way too complex with 7billion minds to guarantee a pre-defined end. I would be easier to convince that this is kind of a trial run to see where the bugs are.
Swine flu was a trial run. SARS 1 was a trial run. There were many others too. Lots of little tests and setup moves. They're playing a long game. Have a look at the patent record!
https://thedissedent.page/2021/11/14/dr-david-martin-exposes-the-the-great-reset-and-covid19-vaccines-agenda/
yes. the viruses are the catalyst for a much larger agenda.
This is what scares me. That this is a trial run, and the next "pandemic" will be a disease that's scary enough to bring all of us recalcitrant anti-vaxxers into line.
Read Dr Suzanne Humpries book for help on the next illness (it'll be an old one)
I wanted to make a list that was as objectively neutral as possible, so as not to trigger any defensive reactions, because defensiveness turns off critical thinking. Early on I bought fully into the official line, and then gradually changed my mind based on observation of reality versus messaging.
I just started reading Roitt's essential immunology, and wrote a quick intro on it.
I think we need to change the message:
from: Vaccines provide some protection against severe symptoms and death
to: Antibodies provide some protection against severe symptoms and death
I realise this is pedantic, but hear me out: the immune system does not leap to producing antibodies when infected. There are so many layers and processes involved before it even thinks about generating antibodies. Antibodies are not immunity. "Immunity waning" is actually "antibodies waning", which is what they are meant to do when you are no longer infected with spike proteins post-vaccination, or covid virions post-infection. It's a good thing, not a bad thing!
The entire message re: vaccines and "protection" is completely wrong.
Stoichastic, and RTR... As someone diagnosed with a rare supposedly-autoimmune disease over a decade ago, I've done a lot of reading about the immune system. There's nothing like having a mysterious chronic disease to make one skeptical of the modern medical establishment.
You're absolutely correct about the distinction between immunity and antibodies. Most people only understand the immune system at the bumper sticker (or meme) level: antibodies. Never mind the innate immune system. Biological organisms are an incredibly intricate system of interconnected feedback mechanisms, of which the immune system is one of the most complex parts. That's why, normally, testing a new vaccine or other pharmaceutical is supposed to take years, because there can be unintended long-term consequences.
It's very unfortunate that the whole Covid panic, due to a number of perfect storm factors, has enabled some amazing profitability for pharmaceutical companies, who've pretty much captured government anyway, so we're going to see this kind of fast rollout of all kinds of stuff in the near future. They're already talking about an mRNA vaccine for Lyme disease (something else I have direct Intimate experience with.)
I had no prior exposure to immunology, but even at a cursory glance the system blows me away. Just amazing. And so capable, despite what we are being sold now.
Love the profile name btw, those lil water bears are marvels.
I know what you mean. My dealings with Lyme and the political and horrible decisions and directives of the CDC were my hard lessons. Also, my last vaccination put me in the hospital.
What has perplexed me for a while is why is the vaccine induced immune response - which we can assume is real on some level - is not inducing an adaptive response in B and T cells? Why is the immune response not longer lasting even once the antibodies fade? It is either not inducing an adaptive response or the target antigens have mutated. If the latter, a booster will have almost no effect.
RTR - another pet hypothesis I have is that the vaccine-induced antibodies generated against the small part of the spike only involve a few B cells and their eventual memory cells. Even vaccines that are just to toxins (like tetanus) probably provoke a broader range of B cells, and therefore even pruning of B cells down the road doesn't take all the important memory cells out of commission.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong - but have we EVER had a vaccine that elicits such a narrow range of matching B cells? Often people compare vaccines to natural infection and note the smaller range of antibody response, but this spike-tiny-section - isn't it the tiniest thing we've ever made a vaccine for?
Never. Not that I know off. We have no idea what this does. How the lipid coating interacts with our cells, or the small change in amino acids for the mRNA. Nobody really knows. Heck they don’t even know why some folks get myocarditis. Safe my ass
I am glad that the injections are so useless, our skepticism is so obviously justified.
RTR - One hypothesis is that the vaccine does not provoke cell-mediated (T cell) immune response and memory cells, and that these ultimately are more important in long-term immunity than the vaccine-illicited imbalanced B cell humoral (antibody) response.
Ahha - but what if it is? What if the immune system does not get a chance to do its thing?
What if these people who survive with a booster would not survive without it because of whatever reason, so we force everyone to boost regardless??
There's one of 2 possibilities:
1. the vaccine does not in fact work, as you suggest
2. the immune system does work, the B and T cell adaptive response IS there, and it does what it needs BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE ANYWAY.
I think #2 is true. It's just that now we have started down this road, nobody is allowed to die of covid, so we force (potentially unnecessary) antibody production every 6 months instead of letting the immune system do its thing.
The evidence for my hypothesis is mentioned in the article I wrote - despite being not-fully vaccinated, 98.7% of people in Singapore experience mild or asymptomatic symptoms.
Do you know how many die there, non-fully vaccinated? 0.9 per 100,000. That's a CFR of 0.0009% ffs.
So, for you this whole thing is capitalist Pharma and Fauci, et al taking advantage of a growing fem culture (scared all the time) to make a bunch of cash. And the medical outcome may end up in the same spot whether or not we did anything as a society....as long as vacc not toxic somehow?
Never let a good crisis to go waste.
I think Fauci (administration) wanted to play god, or at least finance people playing god. It worked, they got what they were looking for: GoF was a roaring success.
Pharma want to play god (I heal you, or keep you alive at least).
The key was politicians wanting to play god - you do what i say when i say.
More than any of these three, politicians want power, they revel in it, they are psychopaths.
The money is a by-product, IMO, and it's crony capitalism, IMO, not capitalism as it could /should exist / operate. It's corrupted, but perhaps that is true of all human systems.
It doesn't matter how much salary Queensland politicians make, if they can go to one of the 2 restaurants in parliament in Qld and nobody checks they are vaccinated, but every other restaurant in the state does, and excludes unvaccinated people. Power. Elitism. That IMO is the underlying, subconscious motivation.
Otherwise, yes, what you have written is how I see it. The feminisation of society is repugnant to me, but very useful to people who wish to wield power.
"feminisation of society"
This XX water bear doesn't even want to know...
"Pharma want to play god (I heal you, or keep you alive at least)"
Naw, I think for them it's all about the money. Of course power and money are all interconnected. I read in an immunological journal once a corporate pharma official actually saying, *in so many words*, they could cure MS today, but that would turn off a very profitable stream of continuous income.
Relates to CMCM's comment above about "safe spaces".
Seems to be mostly the male of the species speaking up now.
There's the hope that women will galvanize to protect their children.
I'm no fan of silver bullet theories — the idea that there's only one cause or cure for something (of course there are exceptions). No doubt there are many factors, of which profit is a huge one.
Leaving a side the issue of side effects, what worries me is the effects of the vaccine on the long term evolution of the virus population-wide, a la Geert Vanden Bossche.
Indeed, which is why testing for antibodies as a way of proving your status is just playing the game by their rules which aren't even based on sound science.
100%
If I can get enough of a handle on immunology after reading a single chapter of a book, to know antibodies are not immunity, how could an immunologist with a degree and years experience working in it not know this?
Or if they know, say nothing, stay silent?
Which is exactly the point one begins to sense something very dark is going on. I don't like going down such rabbit holes but at some point you do start to wonder because it is so obviously unscientific. For me a big clincher was the idea that natural immunity was somehow proposed to be inferior to vaccine immunity and that was BEFORE I even did some research on the immune system!
yeah that claim is nuts. and i have seen it made often.
It's only the latest in a very long series of claims by the Left, sometimes that become enforceable by law. All peoples are equal; there are no measurable group differences. Any claims of differing disease risk, norms of behavior or other traits, are "racist," despite whatever scientific evidence is offered. Women are interchangeable with men; if you question this (in employment settings for example) you will be penalized by the government. The very concept that many differences are innate is anathema to these ideologues. All human beings are exactly the same, raw material that can be shaped to fit chosen goals.
"People" get pregnant, implying that men can get knocked up (this gem from the WHO earlier this year). A baby's sex is a multiple-choice question the parent can have the physician assign when the birth certificate is filled out (AMA).
this is an interesting and disturbing insight.
That was my point of no return wake up call. It took me a while, but I got there.
Some people have a vested interest in staying silent. A lot of the population has been brainwashed into what amounts to a religion. And you can't argue religion with anybody
Agree with you completely! But it does calm the Covidians down if you can provide “proof” your immune system works. Nothing like a little digital picture to stand in for the invisible workings of someone else’s body.
EXACTLY "Antibodies provide some protection against severe symptoms and death" the vaccine may or may not initiate any level of protection, and duration is also extremely variable...the bottom line is, that each individual based on many factors will respond in their own way (The response of an 80 year old, will certainly be different than a 8 year old) furthermore, the real kicker has always been, what is the T-Cells and B-Cells and other already innate immunity responses. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has spoken and written in depth on this subject, here is an interesting piece: https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-unforgivable-sin. (the video is no longer available for some reason where he went into T-Cell/ B-cell ect. ).
In the very early days when I started digging around, I will never forget running across a statement by Tal Zaks (ya know the guy who was chief scientist brought on by Moderna who started selling off 1 million dollars of stock weekly until he reached about 60 million, then announced he was leaving Moderna before the "mRNA vaccines for SARS-CoV-2" even rolled out) he admitted that the focus would likely need to on T-Cell hinting that the current formula wasn't getting the response that would ultimately be needed. Look at the date: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns
Great post. That last paragraph verifies vacc is not inducing a long term adaptive immunity response; antibodies decline - body forgets about spike - people get sick - need booster to get more antibodies. What a great racket unless too many boosters kill the paying customer.
Like a good parasite it would seem they have managed to keep many hosts alive and suffering, which is just the ticket of course. The real rebels are the injured who shout out a giant fuck you and kill themselves. Sorry for this black hearted comment but I cannot abide what is happening.
Granted, this is way too conspiracy theory and anti-science to even think of adding to your list, I just mention it here coz I am all excited about finally getting a handle on the immune system and how it operates.
Good work. Keep reading to the parts about CD8+ (Cytotoxic) T-cells, memory phenotype. This is where the long-term heavy immunity rubber meets the road. Antibodies are batting cleanup.
Which edition should I get?
I think the latest is edition 13? i just grabbed which ever one was in the store.
Yeah, the 13th edition was published in 2017, and is the latest. As is usual with primary textbooks, a new edition is pushed out every 3-5 years at a minimum, usually with very minor changes. I just picked up a used copy of the 12th edition, 2011, for $14.
Nice.
That's generally the route I've taken. It also happens to be the most honest route I can think of. Sex sells. Death sells. Fear sells. Honesty doesn't sell.
Tardigrade - what do you say when they try to tell you the unvaxxed are filling up the hospitals and keeping their grandma from getting her knee replacement?
I tell them to look at UK, Israel, and more accurate data OUTSIDE the USA. Then, I ask them if they know that partially-vaxxed in the USA are counted as unvaxxed until after 2 weeks post-dose 2. Honestly, NOTHING will change their minds. They WANT to feel safe and these jabs are the perfect concoction to live their dreamy existence. Listen, I'm at home trying to convince my 19 y.o. to stop blaming her 17 y.o. brother (high school) for her cold. He had a mild cold last week but neither her dad (53) nor I (57) got sick. So, let's focus on "your immune system". She's the one never wanting to take vit D3, vit C, etc. And the one who compulsively wears a mask everywhere she goes even where not enforced (church). Sigh... I can't seem to reach her. The level of indoctrination is deep and strong here in Oregon. Yikes.
It used to be that if someone got a cold or a flu or whatnot, they got it because, hey, that's life! (Even if they became sick after hanging out with a sick friend or co-worker, there wasn't a silly blame game.) Now people act as though contagiousness is some sort of unpardonable sin. The whole propaganda circus has infantilized some of us to a whole new level.
This is a really scary development to me. It could lead to all kinds of trouble.
Sophia, I’m seeing this to. It’s now shameful to get sick. Like you did something wrong, as in immoral. Like eating in a restaurant.
Oh, and anytime someone does something fun, like go to the beach or attend a conference, they trip over themselves to PROMISE that they took all the precautions "necessary," blah, blah, blah. It's like they feel guilty for having a freaking pulse. It's getting so tiring.
I remember my 99 year old grandmother telling me she never got colds etc. because she figured her immune system had experienced everything out there in her 99 years and she had immunity to every possible virus!
I don't know. That's one of those things that is confrontational because the truth of the matter is impossible to prove for the average person. I never said my argument was perfect :-)
it's good though. ;-) My friend says he'd be willing to sign a waiver to give up his ICU bed if he got COVID, if only they would keep the needles away from him.
Our local TV station carried a report of a doc saying all the local ICUs were filled, elective surgeries cancelled. His hospital had 10% ICU capacity. Hospital down the road had 40% capacity. He was pushing the state lie get vaxxed. Ugh. Here’s the link: https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization
Bad Cat told us about this.
No argument is perfect, and since people are different, what works for one might not work for others. Swapping ideas on arguments and testing them out to see what works is nonetheless useful.
"3. Vaccines do provide some protection against severe symptoms and death."
Although it appears to be waning by the day, with perhaps a negative effect in the end (which means it will INCREASE your symptoms and likelihood of death)
Yeah, it's really been protecting people. Lol. Please.
The story of Canada is making it hard for me to remain optimistic that the narrative will fall apart.
I know FAR too many people who said, "Oh well, I don't think I need it, but I'll just get the jab so I can go on with my life." They gave up and gave in. When the narrative shifted from, "the vaccine will end the pandemic" to "the vaccine will prevent severe illness," they said, "oh well, the experts know best." The vaccine is now mandated for restaurants, health care facilities, nursing homes, gyms, movie theatres, museums, etc. These same people who told me months ago that they would oppose mandates are now saying, "well, it's not so bad, and we can't fight this anyway," so they faithfully downloaded their obedience pass and glibly comply with all the mandates.
We are a nation of cowards. Those who do oppose the covid mandates are rapidly cancelled, silenced, and bullied out of the public discourse. The booster is now available and the sheep are all lining up for it. I could point the lies out to them all day, but they do not really care. For them, the path of least resistance is always preferable. It's impossible to imagine our idiotic leadership changing course because even those who claim to be opposed to them obey them without question.
I hope America will fully awaken and show us the way out, but Canada may never wake up. Our national anthem is now an ironic joke. We are no longer "the true north strong and free," we are now the duped north weak and enslaved, and absolutely NOBODY is standing on guard for us.
I am in Ontario. There IS a resistance here. On Sunday there was a convoy of 100 cars going from Peterborough and other places to Kingston for a rally in support of a restaurant that allows us to eat inside. I met a freedom fighter who has accumulated around $1 million in fines! There are also a couple of restaurants in Peterborough who are not complying. Also small protests every week. I feel more hopeful that eventually the truth will win. You are right that most Canadians are folding because "I want to see my grandkids" or "I want to travel."
However, things are happening below the surface. If the narrative falls apart in the US we may be able to free ourselves here as well.
Gato malo -- I really appreciate what you are doing! I forward your emails in an attempt to educate ppl.
I like the term “freedom fighters”. Will counter with this whenever someone calls me anti-vaxxer or anti-masker. I will educate them that we are fighting for YOUR freedom too!!
I'm still holding the line myself, but it's hard not to despair when those in my circle who I used to consider pillars have capitulated. But you are right. There is hope! The truth is on our side, and the lies can't be concealed forever.
I was listening to an interview with Canadians Kate Wand and Julius Ruechel. They theorized that Canadians perceive themselves as subjects rather than citizens, and as a result, they are more compliant. It's an interesting thought.
You are so correct, we are a nation of sheeple indeed! Easily coerced and manipulated. I used to joke how easy it would be for Canada to be a dictatorship régime, little did I know that it would be in my lifetime. The only hope left is US, and I pray that they will overthrow this narrative and liberate us from the tyranny.
Totally agree with your comments. I too, hope the United States show us the way out. At least many states are fighting the mandatory shots and lawsuits are flying everywhere. Not one of our provinces or territories has taken any such steps. We were lucky to get our flag up from half mast in time for Rembrance Day.
I don't know, I don't see the Narrative cracking in the least. Millions of people are still fanatically committed to the vaccine story. They can't wait to get boosters and get their kids vaccinated. And the problem is that those millions of people are concentrated in the upper reaches of society where all the power is maintained.
you'll never change the media companies or the 25% of panicked zealots with data and outcomes, but this is losing the middle badly.
too many see their own experience diverging from narrative.
this is about to be a 70 on 30 fight, and once it is, the covidians will fold and hide because that's what crybullies do.
what seems like virtue signaling now will become signaling of stupidity and having been on the wrong side.
that's the thing most are optimizing.
it's all about social proof to them, not science, and that will unravel.
this is going to start falling apart rapidly now.
watch.
I sure hope so. It's like I tell people often: I know of no one *personally* who have died of strictly "covid". But I do know 6 people personally who's lives will never be the same from the shots. If I know that many, I can only imagine how many others are out there like me. Cue the Climate Emergency! lol. Love your stuff el gato. Thanks!
Gato - our pediatricians' office and several other places in town are refusing to order COVID-19 antibody tests. They say the tests don't prove anything and as such, they won't order one. I was irate, because my son's basketball team will accept antibodies as a way for him to opt out of twice/week testing. Seems to me they are tripling down on their cray-cray position.
Find a doctor (MD) who practices functional and/or naturopathic medine. They don't always take insurance (because insurance dictates how they can practice) but it's worth paying out of pocket for a doctor who isn't captured by the CDC and pharma.
My Primary Care doctor refused to order one. I found a new doctor.
You can go to Lab Corp and order your own. Just pay out-of-pocket.
MR - nope. Lab Corp refuses to test anyone under 18 for COVID-19 antibodies. All part of their game.
So sorry to hear that.
Me, too. As a grandmother -- makes me furious/sad!
First time hearing this and I'm astounded. So sorry. This is such a set-up for continued lying.
What about this - https://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-authorizes-cell-test-game-changer-covid-19/story?id=76318248 and the test https://www.t-detect.com/
Thanks. I thought I had Covid early on and had an antibody test done a month ago. This explains why it might not have shown and that there might be a more accurate test.
For anyone living along Colorado’s Front Range, ABO Mobile Lab is private and cooperative.
I don’t know where you are, but in most US states, there are independent labs that will test all kinds of things without a doctor’s order. www.anylabtestnow.com and https://www.t-detect.com/
There are also a couple that have the option of having their “independent physician” determine whether an antibody test is right for you (I would assume the questions are basically “Have you had a positive Covid test?” and “Has it been long enough since your positive test that an antibody test would actually show anything?” https://www.questdiagnostics.com/patients/get-tested/conditions/infectious-disease/covid-19/antibody
https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/individuals/antibody-test
And in select states, https://www.hy-vee.com/my-pharmacy/services/covid-19-testing#rapidAntibodySection
The down side is that none of these appear to be insurance covered. But I’d willingly fork out the $100-$150-ish to prevent my kid from having to be swabbed with potentially cancer-inducing tests twice a week.
Hold the line Susanna. There are more than just "antibodies" testing... go for T-Detect test. Get a ped doc that will order a titer for more than just antibodies. MORE than a decade ago, I got into a military base hospital externship via proof of a Hep B titer... I had two Hep B vax two decades ago, needed a "third shot" to complete series... I didn't do it, so in order to be accepted I offered a "Hep B titer" to show that I was still immune (without getting the third shot) #TruthBeTold they let me in based on that blood titer test.
I did that to avoid my son getting a bunch of shots to get into college. He had had the first shots (and was damaged by one). He was deemed immune.
i can't remember where i read it, but there are 30% hard core covidians, 40% in the middle just going along with whatever the dominant narrative, and 30% that will not comply. so, the 30% covidians do represent millions. but, as you say it's that middle 40%, which won't voice any opinions but will suddenly change their behaviors to fit in with the dominant narrative, that matters.
You probably saw or read Dr. Mattias Desmet's analysis of mass formation as these are the percentages he gives.
I hope and pray you're right - like I pray every day for this.
They won't fold and hide!
It's not virtue signaling or social proof.
For example, in Latvia, and this is the LAW now, you can't work outside of your home if you are unvaccinated. Only remote work for the dirty jews. Good luck finding a job or keeping one. It's be vaxxed or starve, but it's still voluntary.
You people are way too good-hearted and too hopeful and you still hold illusions about fairness, good prevailing, and democracy.
oh, this will not be won by "democracy" this will be won by non-compliance and people rising up.
the problem with small, highly centralized countries like latvia, is they have unified control structures. the US really does not. will be easier for states to rebel.
people are in the streets and striking in italy, france, the netehrlands, and austria is exploding.
the police and the army have said they will not stand with the government.
focusing only on black pill depression is how you lose.
not sure why so many seem determined to do this.
Because we are seeing all the lies since June and we also see that nothing happens. And they are coming after our arms anyway. That is why some of us find very difficult to remain optmisitic.
“Comply or die” would be a nice slogan they could use.
It is depressing. It’s just what the situation is.
I doubt that riots will amount to anything concrete.
Sometimes life just does you in and that’s that.
There’s not a country to bail to as well. That’s fucked.
A nascent tyranny is much happier with a population of compliant sheep. They can be herded, vaccinated, sheared and as needed, penned or slaughtered. Much, indeed I'd say most, of the "free" world meets that description and has for generations. While the USA is far down that road to dystopia too, unlike most nations, we still have a large fraction of the population where the sheep are more like mountain goats and are well-armed. Some of them may yet be subdued; but many of them are willing to fight and die for their freedoms. In either case, it will be extremely costly for the Wolf trying to lasso them.
Yes, I’m in Sydney. People are protesting. In Melbourne last week. They estimated upwards of 50,000 people in front of the parliament. (Even though lame stream media said there were only a 1000 or so
I live in Canada and our mainstream news never mentions or shows any of the wonderful protests taking place in Australia. Also, ever since the numbers for covid dramatically dropped in India they are never on our news. But the news was delighted to air all stories from India when their numbers were high. Now it doesn't fit their narrative. Thank God for alternative media and substacks like this. Otherwise we would never get the real truth.
They don't want people to know that in India they tamped down covid with IVM.
Even within blue states in the US, the inclination to comply vs. rebel is extremely variable. I live in Maryland, which is at the state level deep blue, and our politics is dominated by the devolutionary psychopathy of Baltimore and the virtue preening of the affluent close-in DC suburbs. But I live on the rural Eastern Shore, and out here we have been exercising "Irish Democracy" since a year ago March. I fly out of a Class Delta airport in Talbot Co. that is forced by the FAA to post signs mandating masks on the property. I haven't seen a mask on the place ever, with the exception of a party of timid-looking females that were waiting to be escorted out to a charter jet.
thank you
You are absolutely right. Thank-you so much for your posts. They really brighten my day and keep me going forward.
You like people giving you false sense of hope because then you don’t have to take any responsibility for what’s happening. Plus you don’t have to change your ways and no need to face the reality.
+ It’s kind of hard to not focus on the black pill when your government cuts off any means of earning a living if you remain unvaccinated.
I’d like to see you remain cheery eyed and hopeful with a family in a situation like that.
It’s vac or die. That’s pretty depressing if you’re facing it.
If you’re just being a passive observer from a safe position - then, yeah, you’re not sure why someone is focusing on black pill depression.
I think focusing on wishful thinking is how you lose.
It is depressive, there’s no way around it. It does not mean I’m going to take it laying down while doing nothing.
Your riots mean nothing in face of economic collapse and a tyrannical government.
You surprise me with your optimism. You write about it all all the time and know very well what these governments have done and keep on doing. But, you still cling to an idea that riots will stop this madness. Maybe that’s exactly what powers that be want. A class war.
It’s a fucking global takeover. Riots mean fuck all.
I’m not sure why so many people seem determined to be clinging to their illusory hope of it ending or people actually putting an end to it.
Of course it's a global takeover. I thought that was obvious. Covid is merely the vehicle in an attempt to make this a reality.
I pray to God that you're right, Gato!! Here in Oregon, the masses are in trance over the eternal mandates (masking and jabs). Parents happily lining up their kiddos for the injections. UGH!
My husband has a friend who lives in Bend, Oregon. Although officially the coronavirus rules are all in place, in practice, he said they are much looser there. I mention this because maybe this is a sign that some sanity is returning bit by bit. (For example, people aren't wearing masks outside and his wife was recently hospitalized. Despite having front doors guarded by National Guard, they never once asked the friend for vaccine proof. He was able to visit his wife without a problem.)
crybullies. did you coin that term, you wise and naughty kitten?
Asensible - sadly, I might be with you on this one. I think, perhaps what is ACTUALLY happening is that those of us that have been skeptical all along are seeing more and more data that is supporting the reasonableness of us being skeptical. We are finding more and more confirmation to validate our original cautious take.
But the other side? They were never skeptical, and logic is not part of their decision-making. ugh. frustrating.
We're soon going to be at a point where everybody will personally know somebody vaxx-injured. The cognitive dissonance will be deafening, and many will reach for alternative explanations. Have yours ready!
Their numbers may be culled in coming years. This is both good and bad. Bad in the sense that a lot of talented people will have needlessly died. Good in the sense that a lot of useless people, very much a drain on society in terms of what they give back to society, will also be removed from the rolls. To the extent the "vaxx" is deadly, it will effectively be Darwinian selection against blind faith in Big Government. That may be a very long term positive for our species.
LOL. Great thread. So happy I found a Cat with a bad attitude because laughs are needed right now. It's hard to walk around and see sheep everywhere and know that their immune system is a ticking time bomb. It makes me sad.
It’s heartbreaking because they are beloved people.
I believed them because people, hundreds of thousands of them all over the world, were getting the shots and no one seemed to be keeling over -- it really seemed to be safe. Then I started hearing about future prion diseases, spike proteins zipping thru the veins instead of staying in the shoulders, Guillain-Barré syndrome, even hints of Parkinson's. I immediately started researching -- I got everything suggested to counteract the jab. Pine needle tea. Chaga Mushroom Tea. NAC. I was already on the FLCCC prophylactic protocol. I am old -- way past my life expectancy,, but I exercise, yoga, tai chi, and feel (mentally) as young as I did decades ago, so ::shrug:: whatever will be, will be; but it's the children, our children and grandchildren, and the powerful enticing and sometimes forcing them to take the jab, even if they've had covid. Ignore natural immunity? Now this is the stab to my heart for the young ones. I haven't even mentioned the reaction of so many young men with the pericarditis and the myocarditis or the heart attacks and strokes of the older people.
We are in evil times. We really are.
I think we are all excited and ready for the release of COVIDIA the board game ( a cross between Life and Scategories?) where you get to choose certain starting points but you can never go back... categories include unvaxxed, unvaccinated-exposed-but-seronegative, unvaccinated-naturally-infected, partially-vaxxed, fully vaxxed, naturally-infected-with-added-vax, partially-vaxxed-injured, fully-vaxxed-injured, and so on...
Coming soon: COVIDIA the game booster pack with all new categories: boosted, fully vaxxed-unboosted.
In the near future: COVIDIA Super Booster Pack, new and improved categories: monoboosted, duoboosted, triboosted, quatroboosted...
Wait, I think we're living that board game.
Quatroboosted literally made me LOL. Like Fast and the Furious: COVID Drift.
😅😅😄
We are suffering from "Battered Nation Syndrome." Incarceration and forced biological experiments and we take it. See if any of these nuggets fit the situation:
"Look at what you made me do!"
"It's all your fault!"
"You are so much like...."
"If you treated me with more respect...."
"If you didn't react that way...."
"Because you don't listen to me, I had to...."
"Your words hurt me so....
"You wont take me seriously so...."
"You brought this on yourself...."
"You’re just being sensitive...."
We're suffering from Battered Planet Syndrome.
They're definitely in a tough spot. How do you convince people to get a shot while simultaneously telling those who have gotten that same shot that they are not protected?
They dont use logic, they use trauma. Many people are in a hive mind, and literally have handed over their agency. Their trigger words are safe and effective when coming from the authority. The state is a classic narcissistic abuser.
Adam - "handed over their agency". Excellent point and all too true.
That's so true. My daughter sees her cardiologist every few years for a congenital issue. While there I asked his opinion of the vaxx for kids. Just out of curiosity (I am NOT vaxxed and NOT vaxxing my kids). He says "oh they are safe and effective." I was floored. Like just verbatim slogans.
2020 - I think they must know at this point that the already jabbed are the easier prey. Many of those dopes will just keep lining up in perpetuity. They've practically convinced themselves it's like taking a vitamin or something.
For those of that have been long hold-outs? For us nothing but punishments of varying levels are coming.
One thing is for sure: there is still alot of money to be made.
You mean IVM with some additional filler so they can patent it?
It’s a poor copy. Much less effective from a bio chemical standpoint.
https://youtu.be/ufy2AweXRkc
Yes, I think so too. After they max out the jabs, people are primed to take the new pills endlessly. Voila! Perpetual revenue stream from virtually everyone.
But they aren't even good at that. How could you not be better at this? With some of this information and seeing what they've done I'm moving more away from the conspiracy to that they just dumb as shit!!
My theory is generally always somewhere in the middle. There are conspirators. And there are useful idiots. And there well-meaning people inflicted with myopia.
My message to those who have assumed control (Mainly using self-appointed emergency powers). Often assuming and using fear, you created the atmosphere of urgency to coerce many to accept the vaccine, for the good of the majority.
However, despite the best use of 'Nudge/Propaganda and censorship', slowly but surely the alternative view has spread through the population in most countries.
Little things like allowing the vaccines to be used under politically motivated emergency licensing, with the pharmaceutical companies being protected from legal action, are a huge civil rights issue.
More recently nations bringing in apartheid based on segregation based on enforced medical procedures, has further established the devide between self-appointed pseudo-governments and democratic rights.
In 1930s Germany, it didn't end well. Eventually the same will be true again.
At least in the 1930 the entire world didn't jump off the deep end simultaneously. There were many people to fight and rein in the evil doers. Nowadays, I have to wonder if there is any major group with power to overwhelm them.
No ruling oligarchy ever was (nor, probably ever will be) free of internal factions. The Soviet Union's many purges are a good example. So to answer your question, with speculation: Yes, there are or will almost certainly be groups that will fight amongst themselves. This will lead to unpredictable changes, or a collapse, of the current systems. Alas, the tiny folk (the vast majority of the population) must invariably suffer collateral damage.
Agreed....that does appear to be the case historically and it is increasingly true now. The powerless are the ones who suffer most.
Germany was fine in the 1930s (except certain, er, unfavored parts of society). Now the 1940s... 🤔 I concede the point, that it began in 1930s (or even earlier, e.g. the defeat of WW I, or whatever reference point an historian might choose.)
Is it me (my brain) am I missing something?
Back during 2020 and the death numbers were being broadcast daily, the logic was that people with Covid and died were recorded as having died of Covid not merely having died with Covid. Remember? Reading the UK PHE data linked to in the above article this quote is under the data regarding deaths “Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.”
This same line of thinking was shunned during 2020 when they wanted Covid death numbers to be as scary as possible. Now it’s encouraged to minimize the number of vaccinated deaths. ? Am I seeing it right? If not please assist.
the other scary thing is that now we have people on both sides - myself included, to my deep sorrow and sadness- some weird satisfaction when we learn of a person who died because it fits their narrative.
Example: Friend, 57 male, dropped dead from a massive heart attack late Oct. We just found out. "Was he vaxxed?" is not really something we feel we can ask but I assumed he was because they asked donations be made to National Public Radio and he didn't have a real funeral. Dropped dead, talking to wife one minute and dead the next. I am sorry he died but to be honest I popped that arrow in my quiver to use.
But both sides do it. A person "fit" person is hospitalized with the covid and the smug Pro Shots person is all "well, if they would have vaxxed...."
I just hate we are gaining in smugness over untimely deaths. Those em-effers foisting this b.s. on us are the sickest of us all.
There have been more than a few very strange obituaries the last few months where I live. YOUNG men mostly (20s, 30s, 40s mostly) , described as "dying unexpectedly" or "suddenly". No mention of vaxes or covid or any kind of illness at all, but I have to wonder about it. I've lived here for 34 years and have never seen anything like this.
Yes, I fear the divide in the US can never be healed. How could there be any trust after this? And yes, the powers that be should be damned to you know where.
Absolutely agree. I notice it in myself too. I started deleting contacts who vax their kids and virtue signaling it on SM as too far gone to reach, then I stopped because I thought it might be useful to keep track of what happens. Yuck. I do not want any of these kids to have bad results!! But more than that I don’t want my children to be victimized. That is my basest instinct. So bring on the shitshow ASAP before it’s our turn to squirm. I’ll repent later.
Didn't have a real funeral? What does that mean?
It means that this person, whose obituary "joked" about how he attended numerous "Catholic" schools throughout his life, whose now-passed mother was a old-school Catholic, a man who had a storied career in photojournalism and many friends through his community and family had a 4 hour "visitation" at a funeral home. There was no actual funeral or mention of prayer service or any kind of formal send off that we were able to learn of from others who may know more or in the obit. That is odd to me and others of this group of friends who knew him.
That's very odd indeed.
2020 was about Trump. But they made some of the most egotistical people on the planet into heroes and television / Tipton celebrities. They've been trying to shut it off for almost the entire year but everytime they try to change topic, the new celebrity class does whatever they can to keep themselves relevant. The old celebrity class is powerless and pathetic at this point. They need a new crisis that will forcibly change the news cycle but the crisis needs to be on par with the virus hysteria. Either a foreign war where they can control a narrative or a new great depression where they cede control in the short term? Not sure what will be enough to reset this thing.
Gato. I tend to agree with Al. I still see too many people believing the lies, going for their boosters, and willing to inoculate their children. They have bought the worse lie of all; if they don't do as they are told, they will die of covid... But I certainly hope you are right, and everything will start falling.
I have a friend like that. Her grandkids 5 and 8 just hit vaxxed. She talks about avoiding maskless stores and church which has a mix. Most of my friends are getting the booster. Sigh.
The narrative may even unravel *completely*...but will that change corporate America's desire to fire anyone who doesn't submit to the jab?
I know *my* son's job is in peril, he with a young child and a wife.
Andrew - I'm optimistic on this one. I think the mandates ARE unraveling. I really do. I hope your son can hold out long enough.
Here's his company's corporate edict:
The hourly employees who travel the most and have the most contact with the outside world: exempt from the jab
The salaried employees who have far more limited contact with the outside world: must get the jab
All in the name of (cough-cough) health.
My son's employer insists that management employees must take the jab because they need to be "leaders" in the fight against covid. I have a recurring fantasy that I find where upper management lives and force them, Clockwork Orange style, to watch the Frontline doctors videos.
They would probably watch with their fingers in their ears and eyes tightly closed while saying "la la la la la".
Oh, and their reasoning for *not* mandating the jab for hourly employees is because they, the company, are afraid that so many of them would quit rather than take the jab that it would greatly harm the business.
So...the company is more concerned with their business' health than with the general welfare, IF the jabs work. And if the jabs DON'T work...then WTF are they mandating it for the salaried employees??
Absolute shit for brains and shit for integrity at the top echelon of that company.
OSHA backed off the mandates and said they will abide by the court's decision. So if an employer says you have to be vaxxed, it is incorrect.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/582022-osha-suspends-enforcement-of-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-for-businesses
They've only suspended it, pending the litigation. They can still reinstate it later. And an employer can impose its own mandate if it so chooses, even if OSHA and every other governmental agency don't issue the directives.
The problem is with sh*theads who seem to occupy, disproportionately, the top spots at much of corporate America.
They are....can I say this.....gutless pussies.
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Our Governor just came out with this - https://youtu.be/PGOcMTFCBrk
Smart guy. He can fill any vacancies, save $$ in years of training, gets seasoned LEOs, can be very picky and engenders loyalty in new recruits.
Love this! This is what needs to happen, too. Like minds need to band together.
Mine too.
I’ve a general understanding of clinical trials. There is NO way I would ever get injected with an experimental drug with zero long term data….for a “virus” with a 99% survival rate. That’s insane. Period. Full stop.
I saw this whole covid thing as a hoax by March 20, 2020. And watching all this mess unfold has been so frustrating, with me warning people of everything that has come to pass. And it's still happening, and people STILL don't believe me. Just insane. I guess what I underestimated was how easy it was to brainwash most people. THanks, kitteh, you do a great job of documenting all this!!
Re: brainwashing. I've taken to saying that for most people, "the brainwashing is a light load on a short cycle."