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SimulationCommander's avatar

i don’t think so and the reason requires a quick diversion into how to calculate real risk per individual. foremost, we know one thing with 100% certainty:

those who are boosted for longer than 21 days were once boosted for fewer than 21 days.

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This also leads to a fake 100% VE, because everybody who didn't get through the worry window is counted as unvaxxed. Therefore, only the people who DO get through the worry window are counted as vaxxed -- and there's your fake 100% VE.

el gato malo's avatar

the magnitude of that issue was really laid out in alberta when they inadvertently posted the data that let you calculate it. (they rapidly pulled it)

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/alberta-gets-caught-palming-cards

lymond's avatar

I saved a copy of the Alberta report before they removed it from the web. The charts on the last page really tell the story.

https://gofile.io/d/w8PEZh

Ron Mexico's avatar

Downloaded and filed for future arguments.

Sathanas Juggernaut's avatar

FLAWLESS VICTORY. Except we're all gonna die. Probably.

Space Hamster Boo's avatar

I bet someone got a deep basement office after letting that one slip.

SimulationCommander's avatar

Exactly. Without this insane version of vaccinated (which we got from the pharma companies!!!), the data would be even worse!

David A's avatar

Is it not 14 days post jab 2 from the original two part series most all “vaccinated” took?

TNK's avatar

Yes and Norman Fenton's graphs show this 14-day effect on mortality well. There is a large miraculous spike in "unvaxed" mortality immediately after vax programs ramp. Probably due to those poor unvaxed sods jumping off bridges as they realize that the vaxed are going to live much more fruitful and virus-free lives. That or possibly the fact that vaxed folks having serious AE's shortly after jabbing are added to unvaxed for the first two weeks.

SimulationCommander's avatar

Which is exactly what the data was showing until it disappeared.

TNK's avatar

I'm sure it was just a glitch

Joel Smalley's avatar

No glitch. They cooked the books. And most likely didn't even understand what they'd done even though it was so obviously flawed. https://metatron.substack.com/p/cooking-the-books-ons-style

YYR's avatar

You're far.too charitable, Joel. These bastards know exactly what they're doing.

YYR's avatar

Serious AEs? LOL. Death is about as serious as AEs get.

David A's avatar

The US having just under plus two million (above expected) on disability certainly should warrant some consideration. (Covers all of 2020, 2021, and 2022.) So yes disability numbers need a like breakdown into vaccinated verses unvaxed after the vaccination programs began. (Lets keep it simple, vaccination is day one of first shot)

So it is very difficult to see an easy reason for the unvaxed to suddenly experience increased disability. Between excess disability, excess death, and excess early retirement, no wonder unemployment numbers remain low.

Happiness: AViewpoint!'s avatar

Yes hardly Bayesian in its interpretation .

RD's avatar

I’m glad my parents (82,81 in better than average health for their age) stopped at 3 shots - “I’m no lab rat”

Pauline C's avatar

Came to learning late - vaxd + 1booster. Stopped watching/listening to MSM news altogether + found wonderful sources via twitter. Helluva relief to have discouraged family from getting the bivalent shot.

John Cave's avatar

I’m in the same boat. Candidly I do still worry about possible slower onset harms. My Mom seemed unusually confused on an issue recently but I’m more sensitive to these things now so might just be me overreacting. A lot of this is just really hard to contemplate. The “Pandemic” has truly been an awakening but more like from a dream to a nightmare.

HarryE's avatar

There are protocols for vaccine spike protein clearance. Who knows if they really work but may be worth a shot (heh)

Pauline C's avatar

Agree John. Awakening to a v grim reality.

Also concerned but what can i/we do now. What's done is done. Time will tell. Have noted wide variation in vaxed family friends. Tragic.The Ethical Skeptic offers reliable albeit v unsettling analysis re implications of the rollout.

ES's avatar

Wish my dad learned. He's on shot 6. No joke. He already had MS, so his docs at UCSF convinced him to continue to get it. Now he's fighting stage 4 prostate cancer. Very aggressive. Considering he kept getting checked even throughout the pandemic and was fine until Oct (the last booster), well...smh

jdb's avatar

Wondering if you have any thoughts or response to Ron Unz's pushback against our side's claims that all cause mortality has been going up because of the vaccine. The Unglossed Substack published a piece on it yesterday, and was significantly (not totally) in agreement with Unz's reading of the data. I don't understand how there is such a huge divergence in how the data is interpreted.

Timothy Williams's avatar

I would also like EGM's take on Unz' hypothesis, which is that excess deaths are explainable by obesity. He asserts that Iceland, France and Sweden have negative excess mortality despite being highly vaccinated, thus exonerating the vaccines, and concludes that in England and US, excess mortality is due to higher obesity causing greater vulnerability to Covid sequelae.

Unz' full article:

https://www.unz.com/runz/obesity-and-the-end-of-the-vaxxing-debate/

Gato, your thoughts?

Bobby's avatar

To say that obesity combined with covid is causing excess mortality is quite a stretch. Unz claims that "Since we know that the severity of the Covid illness is heavily influenced by obesity, this strongly reinforces our conclusion that Covid infections were the main driving factor in these mortality differences.". No it does not strongly reinforce. Excess mortality exists for people who have been vaccinated who did not die "with Covid", so how can this be blamed on Covid infections? And if the vaccinated did die with Covid, then obviously the vax did not work! Further, it could well be that just as Covid affects the more obese worse than those who are not obese, then perhaps the jabs, which cause the creation of many Covid spike proteins may also affect the obese worse. We have had obesity problems for many years without this sudden onset of excess mortality. So I don't buy the idea that suddenly people are dying because they are obese and got Covid.

Russ Wolfinger's avatar

Apologies for arriving late to the party.

There appears to be a straightforward refutation to Unz's analysis. He makes a big deal comparing mortality in 2022 to 2020, and since there are no strong excess deaths in this comparison, the vaccines are exonerated.

However, focusing on the US, the real comparison of interest is *2021* versus 2020. The two major vax campaigns in the US occurred in early and mid-late 2021, and both were followed by large spikes in excess deaths a few months later. These spikes are commonly associated with the Delta and Omicron waves.

Relatively little vaccination occurred in 2022 in the US. Unz's time comparison windows are too large, and he does not appear to consider short-term vax impacts within months, instead of years.

This can be verified using his own preferred HMD dashboard https://mpidr.shinyapps.io/stmortality/ by setting US to be the country, 2022 or 2021 to be the Target Year, and 2020 to be the only Reference Year.

Agent 1-4-9's avatar

I was also going to weigh in with the same question, having just read Unz. I hope gato responds. I'm going to pose this question to eugyppius as well. At any rate, it's good to see that our side is open minded enough to look at alternative answers, rather than dismissing them as Unz has done.

Joshu's Dog's avatar

You can also add Bulgaria as an outlier with low vax rates but high excess mortality.

Do we have to fit one trend to the entire planet to prove the case though? There are national contexts to public health too. In the case of the French I can imagine them drastically overreporting vaccination levels (authoritarian state/restive population), and in the case of both France and Sweden, you'll see a pull-forward effect of immigrants dying earlier due to low vitamin D and then refusing the vaccine, both will skew the stats. Can't speak to Iceland.

smokegetsinyoureyes's avatar

I haven’t read the article yet, but I’m thinking, as gato and others have said, if people could just get their hands on the raw data well that’d help a lot! I often hear on Dr Campbell’s videos on this topic, that there has been a big increase in deaths at home. Surely there is data on these individuals’ overall health that could be looked at. Like ok how bout their vax status how bout any comorbidities how bout age SES etc etc etc.

Preaching to the choir I know.

zuFpM5*M's avatar

We can be sure the variance wasn't an effect of different batches being distributed to different countries. After all, a big ethical company like pfizer wouldn't have certain batches of mRNA injections reserved for special, important people like their employees....would they?

https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/status/1607609256521633798

Sathanas Juggernaut's avatar

You.only need recall how the Rittenhouse videos illicit two completely different reactions;

1) an active shooter firing into a crowd

2) a clear cut example of self defence as a man is attacked while running away

Musiliac's avatar

Strikes me as a plausible counter-hypothesis for the cause of excess mortality in particular regions. The fact, if it is a fact, that there are many highly vaxxed countries without excess mortality would appear fatal for the hypothesis that vaccines are to blame. Unz's alternative hypothesis appears to line up well with the international data.

Musiliac's avatar

Though, obesity and excess mortality would be found to be coincident also if it were the case that obese people are much more vulnerable to certain fatal adverse events from the vax. That strikes me as theoretically plausible. But it doesn't seem to align with the cases of vaccine related deaths that I've seen.

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Timothy Williams's avatar

I think you put your finger on it. Unz’ case rests entirely upon this one set of data, whereas the case for mRNA toxicity draws from many sources. Unz’ data should be questioned. Frankly, I am surprised none of the Jabs Bad greats have answered him yet, because Unz’ platform is large, and a lot of people are watching for a reply.

Noël King's avatar

So although male mortality is higher than female mortality with the jabs, aren’t there a lot more reports of adverse events by women post-jab than there are by men? In other words, are more women being non-fatally injured but more men are dying after getting jabbed?

John Cave's avatar

What will it take to make people (who believed/followed the narrative) voice their anger about all this?! Serious question. Is this information simply still not getting through the firewall? If so we need to find a way to open some ports.

SimulationCommander's avatar

Many people will have to be personally affected before they wake up.

John Cave's avatar

Revising my reply - direct impact does seem to be fairly effective although I'm surprised that many affected this way still won't consider the possibility.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

This should have a billion likes.

100% accurate

Duchess's avatar

I think we are all open to ideas of how to get through to everyday people who listen only to the mainstream narrative. Anyone?

Rosemary B's avatar

I have no ideas.

At present, I have to keep my mouth shut or I will be double banned from the grand kids.

This whole revolting situation makes me feel like slugging people

Duchess's avatar

I feel like destorying every piece of glass I can put my hands on.

The only thing that makes me feel any better is to put little notes in books and in the grocery storre with little snippets of information on it with the reference.

I don't think it does any good cause I think you cannot use data against belief, but it helps me feel better. Every library book I return, and I have a bunch of paperbacks I put in the little free libraries. Occasionally when I am feeling extremely obstreperous, I'll let it fall to the floor on the grocery store...I am now thinking of writing fake letters and tearing them...to say Dear Lucille, there is something you should know, it will explain why everyone is so sick all the time....leave the substack addres...tear it, drop it.

Datagal's avatar

I like your idea. Reminds me of the leaflet campaigns during the Revolutionary War.

Another idea is “fake cell yell”. Act like you are speaking to a friend on your cell phone and talk loud enough for strangers to hear. Say things like : “I didn’t believe it before, but now I’m convinced the vaccines are killing people. Especially the boosters!” ...”I know! She got that booster and died the same day!”... “I’m not getting any more shots”... “Oh good- glad you won’t.”

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Quite clever--people (as I well know) often enough drop their grocery lists in the aisle. You can never know whom you might reach.

Michele's avatar

I love the fake letters idea!

At the height of masking madness I was putting flyers with links in all the free newspaper boxes, in the papers.

You are inspiring me to do an updated version of this.

Rosemary B's avatar

excellent idea. Wow

Thanks for the encouragement. Good thing you do not live close by, we could be quite a bold pair ripping about town spreading the gospel of truth

John Cave's avatar

Interesting and creative. I think you’re getting at the core issue with your data overcoming belief comment. Explains why those in power pushed so hard to set beliefs early on that serve their agenda.

Ms. P's avatar

Ha ha...I love it!

Pamela's avatar

Rosemary, Me Too! This Christmas was especially hard as I felt seething underlying hostility from close family members that seemed to be mad that “we” our household members were never sick. They all took the injection and have been sick repeatedly. They know what I sent them early on and how to protect themselves, but I was told to STOP sending anymore information.

Did I fell like slugging them, not really even though I am very mad… but I certainly felt like they wanted to slug me.

Rosemary B's avatar

okay maybe more like throwing things.

Hubbs and I spent Christmas with my 99 year old dad.

He did question a few times, why we were not with our kids and grands.

Their actions are destroying relationships

John E's avatar

Can’t post a picture, or I’d give you the “kids” ONS data for myocarditis. It’s NOT pretty!

Jon Cutchins's avatar

I don't know about everyday people. I have decided however to take a run at my congressman.

A little background, Rep. Clyde was first elected in 2020. He was a small business owner who was persecuted by the IRS and beat them and decided to go to congress to fight for the little guy, at least as best as I know his story. He was one of 'the 20' who fought for concessions for the Freedom Caucus in the House. So, I have a fair bit of hope that he will decide to be a voice for us. When Steve Kirsch posted about the VAERS safety signals at the beginning of the week I wrote Rep Clyde about them asking him to exercise some congressional oversight to save the lives and health of his constituents. Posted below is the first response from his staff and my second letter. I would appreciate any advice or opinions on how to proceed. Thanks.

https://comfortwithtruth.substack.com/p/response-from-congressman-andrew

Rosemary B's avatar

Well, if Mr Clyde had an honest care about his constituents, he would have, on behalf of the individuals he represents, with his vast expertise for which he was elected, done some real investigating on his own. This is a nice sugary reply from Mr Clyde.

I think your reply note back to him sounds persistent for a valid clear minded answer instead of mushy pass the buck kind of words.

The swamp is deep.

Jon Cutchins's avatar

Thanks. I have a tendency to be plain and blunt which has advantages and drawbacks, so i usually seek feedback to make sure I am not too blunt.

Integrity and Karma's avatar

Be blunt! I'm a woman with not nearly enough filter and less tact than I'd like. I appreciate honestly.

Integrity and Karma's avatar

With respect Ms Rosemary... we didn't elect Clyde for his medical nor Healthcare expertise. He has none. We of the 9th elected him to help get the Fed govt the HELL OFF OUR BACKS.

As he,at that writing time,was in the middle of being one of The Six standing against the Swamp/McCarthy... I'd say the return note was decent enough.

He'll deliver, or we'll be asking pointed questions.

Integrity and Karma's avatar

The Ninth is the Best Ga district! Howdy neighbor!

Jon Cutchins's avatar

Howdy! Any thoughts on Mr Clyde? Our state 'conservatives' have been such a disappointment If we could get one to do his job I would feel a lot better.

Integrity and Karma's avatar

PS- I cleared my Gettr and FB of MTG. Uuuuuugh.

Jon Cutchins's avatar

I tried hard to like Greene. Sometimes she was believable. I dunno, are all Georgia Republicans plants? Sure seems like it.

Integrity and Karma's avatar

I kinda like Clyde,but admit to having deeply etched cynicism about politicians etc. I distinctly like that he's not Woke,and on the Freedom Caucus. From what I've seen the last few years, his fight ( and win) against the IRS may have branded him in The People's favor. I respect that he wasn't willing to say " Why, we in DC will tell you what you must do regarding the shots!",and I think he'll be there for the showdown that's brewing regarding them once the dam breaks and there's definitive proof of fraud against his citizens.

Libs deluge his Twitter, so he must be over the target.

I'll say he's a big improvement over 'Every two years' "I'm going to Windstream ,just you wait n see!!" Collins.

Habersham County isn't as hick as folks think, but neither do we cotton to Globalist agenda.

Glad to see another 9er on the 'Stacks... its about the only place logic can be found. - I&K

Jon Cutchins's avatar

There's things to like about Clyde. I have high hopes for him if we can put a little steel in his spine.

I have a fairly good track record of being persuasive. We will see. Hey since you are from his district would it be asking too much to ask you to tell Clyde how you feel about this? If it is a big request, no hard feelings, no judgment. But maybe the 'hey we are getting letters Gainesville, letters from out in Habersham, all over the place, this is turning into a big deal' effect could get him moving?

Markker's avatar

You won't do it online. If anything has a fact check on it, they will believe them. I took pics of dead and injured kids from one website, about 50 pages with multiple deaths, names, what happened after jab, up to the high school receptionist. No envelope, she started looking. I hoped they'd end up in staff room and open up conversation at the very least. Most adults will already have had 3 by now, older ones anyway. We have to concentrate on younger ones. They could end up being orphaned. Meryl Nass posted a video of school board man on zoom meeting, even though 1 child already died after jab, he was very pleased to announce the school was to take up government booster incentive scheme which gives each student $75 voucher if they agree to get it. Not only that, but the school will receive $2,000 for participating in the scheme! Iam from UK and there have been no overt bribes, just stick and carrot as far as I know. If it is possible to converse with people, I think knowing about DoD in control and sham trials etc., no safety at all as these are not pharmaceutical products could wake them up. Bailiwick News and Due Diligence and Art have all details.

ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Finally--finally, I say!--dared to bring up topic yester eve with daughter in UK (I am in US)--best I could get from her was 'we have no intention of doing that' --making my grandchildren take vax. The parents took AstraZeneca early on. And "Daddy has Covid, Mama had it a week ago" said my 11 year old granddaughter last August.

Of course I thought then (but didn't say), "But they took a vax against it, didn't they?"

Didn't want to go therem either in the conversation last night--any discussion far too delicate. Just getting the 'don't do this to my grandchildren' was as far as I dared go. Need I mention that these our offspring are not without minds: SIL Oxford AB, AM, DPhil, daughter Oxford MPhil . And in their mid-40's--so not coming from the super-woke university era.

Markker's avatar

I think the majority of people just cannot contemplate their own government coluding to harm them; that only happens far away with nasty dictators, doesn't it? I'm not uni educated or understand all the letters, but I believe it's Doctorates and Masters in philosophy, which definition says is the systematic study of general and fundamental questions. I have learned so much these past 2 years, about how the world really works, banking, central banks, allopathic medicine, wars, learned many new words, terms like colour revolution, false flags, coup D'Etat, controlled opposition. Idecided apart from the 3 Rs, they don't teach anything you should know. I think they do possibly realise that they were misled but don't want to admit it. By the way, the HPV one has damaged many too. I have read Disolving Illusions, T he Poison Needle, read many articles. On YT under AD Amazing Discoveries 371, Immunity, etc. brilliant lecture you should watch and maybe send to your daughter. He mentions Brit doc who was smeared and made out to be a crook because he thought there was a problem with MMR jabs, rightly so. I wish I knew what I now know about safety and efficacy of vaccines but mainly how unecessary they are for good health. In fact, they are the opposite.

Steve's avatar

I hear my WI Senator Ron Johnson discuss this very topic with just a tad less specificity nearly every week. He gets zero traction I’m afraid.

Quadriped's avatar

Another great article- thank you again. There is the data of especially toxic batches of Covaxx- aka "hot batches" that might need to be accounted for as well. See "Midwestern Doctor's" article from yesterday.

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/we-now-have-definitive-proof-pfizer

NaplesD's avatar

I am really hoping that you will engage Brian Mowrey (Unglossed). His critique of your conclusions, if addressed would be very illuminating to the unwashed.

The Wiltster's avatar

So, this all means that dogs and cats are cohabitating on Jabs Bad Island?

Welcome!

Duchess's avatar

2016. This means that Bayer and BioNTech have been working on livestock and companion animal mRNA vaccines for over six years…

Logic predicts that they will soon have livestock and companion mRNA vaccine and RNA therapeutics on the market.

Bobby's avatar

Thank you for all the hard work. What a shame this has happened. And how shameful of the politicians and health agencies that are now nothing but arms of the paid off politicians and drug companies. Truly shameful. I had the hardest time accepting that they really don't give a damn how many die. But now I fully know that.

Damien McKenna's avatar

Isn't it a known issue that before women go through menopause (mid-late 40's) that their average risk for heart problems is lower than men, but after menopause this balances off to about the same? Might that have some reason why women's higher mortality numbers went up in the 50+ age brackets?

Liberty1's avatar

The ONS data assumes patients are telling the truth about their vaccination status. I have heard credible people confess that they lie to medical professionals when asked their vaccine status.

Wild Bill's avatar

One can, of course, just look at ACM without regard to vax status. This shows the overall sum of any benefits of the vax, along with deaths caused by the vax. Basically, how many more/less people died this year (with vax) than last (without)? These are the data that the insurance companies are using and from what I've seen ACM goes up about 40% in healthy people in the age range ~25-50, post-vax. That is hard to argue, if indeed it is true; and I'm not privy to the underlying data and 'analysis,' but it does appear that... "Houston, we have a problem."

(Remember that these data are normally quite stable, varying a few percent year by year. A 40% increase is something like 10-sigma, less than a one-in-one-billion chance of happening randomly. In other words, something had to cause this.)

kapock's avatar

It’s never mentioned, but one more bad outcome of vax mandates is that we don’t know, and will never fully know, who actually got the shots.

I’m not the dyed-in-the-fur libertarian that gato and some others here are, but it’s in the nature of coercion that it leads to attempts at evasion, and the mandates have done their part in ushering in this new age of obscurity, where basic facts are shrouded in darkness.

Nevertheless, on the broadest level, the fact that actual vax rates are lower than the official rates obviously implies they may be even more dangerous.

Wild Bill's avatar

Correct. We won't likely ever know the entire truth of this, but we don't need to. We know enough that we can see the way forward. That's all we need.

Elliott Middleton's avatar

About the 21 day window: is it true ONS considers the subject unvaccinated in that window?

I did some work with this data while ago and basically came up with Denmark's recommendation that no one <50 get a vax, but had to put a big Norman Fenton caveat in that I wasn't sure about the 21 day window, which would have degraded the vax efficacy.

cheers

https://elliottmiddleton.substack.com/p/vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-deaths

Angus Black's avatar

If you really want to see stark contrast, try modelling “lost years of reasonable, healthy life”. There are actuarial tables for life and reputable estimates of end-of-life misery so it can be done. Given that those who died of COVID averaged in their 80s and those who died of “suddenly” were 30 (just a guess, that)...

Steve's avatar

Isn’t this the time to start screaming at the top of our lungs?

I continually see Twitter messages from Biden( I do not follow him) telling everyone to get their CV19 boosters. I mean, this is a government who wants us dead. What am I missing?

Brian Dixon's avatar

ASMR data? Ooh, I feel so tingly and relaxed. 😌

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASMR

Ludwig Von Rothbard's avatar

Another great piece - please keep them coming as this info is not to be found elsewhere although the WSJ has an opinion writer who is getting around to asking questions asked here last year vis a vis excess deaths, shots promoting susceptibility to new variants etc...