Maybe never. People find it very hard to pivot from a narrative that they are deeply vested in, even when all the evidence is pointing in the opposite direction.
It has and will have a lot to do with shame... that is definitely one thing that makes it so difficult to admitting the truth. The emperor was naked all along
Well, combine the garden variety shame with the fact that some made this part if their "I am superior to Trump, Trump supporters, other Republicans, religious fanatics, antivaxxers, and other science doubters (because everyone knows how little doubt and dissent have ever factored into True Science) and openly and proudly accepting this shot proves that superiority".
I'm an atheist, genderqueer, pansexual, and a true left wing progressive (which is why I am not a Democrat), and truth be told,there are many things I likely will never see eye to eye with with many on some of these more right wing substacks.
But I have never believed at any point that censorship of views opposing my own was acceptable in any way. And I have never tied any of my positions to a sense of superiority and identity to the point where being wrong about something becomes impossible to admit without massive psychological unravelling. At no point do I look down on people who have opposing views. Because on the real stuff, the big stuff, like not being mandated to submit to medical procedures or the right to speak unpopular opinions or take non-mainstream positions, we currently are in the same camp. I hope we stay that way (it wasn't so long ago it was right wingers arguing with me about the virtues of censorship of "dangerous and unacceptable" views, and the "right" of "private companies" and public platforms to control conversations/coerce medical exams or procedures however they want, civil right or communications laws bedamned--its not a right or left "thing", there are people who want their opponents silenced across the board independent of party, race or creed).
When you combine your difference of opinion (and corresponding actions) with another person or group with a personal identity of complete superiority, you paint yourself into a corner if it turns out you're wrong. For some vaxxed, the vaxxes being a failure means Trump/antivaxxers/anti-science "wins", which isn't remotely what that means, but that's how they chose to frame the issue. A serious mistake on many levels.
This is an astute analysis and something IтАЩve struggled to articulate for myself as IтАЩve experienced this bizarre shift. Thankfully my views are not my identity so I can swing around as needed. ItтАЩs been very enlightening and liberating to find I have much in common with people I originally didnтАЩt think I did. We donтАЩt all have to perfectly align on every issue. In fact, letтАЩs keep the politicians on their toes and instead of being goaded, goad them into siding with the people and not big business.
But they don't even consider anything not from CNN etc "evidence". It's dismissed off hand. Maybe deep down some of them wonder, I can't know that. All I see is that most people live in lala land, and there's a large cross section between them and people who have believed all the other stuff the MSM and politicians have been lying about, too. (which is putting it mildly. They created a total fantasy world, where the least important things are always news and demand attention and money, and vice versa)
And yet that stupidly high sunk cost is exactly WHY people should be walking away from it! It may seem silly to the person involved to walk away from something they've invested so much in, but it's actually the right decision. It's like consistently losing at cards but you keep putting your savings in anyway, hopeful that you're on the right track and you'll pull through, but entirely aware that you won't have a house, savings or a wife at the end of the game!
Of course, you have to be pragmatic enough to even contemplate this concept, which most of these happily vaxxed-and-dying people are not. Hence we have people treading the paths they're treading. But you and I already know this, PolarNinja ;-)
@JMJ- just had a friend announce on FB that she, elderly and boosted, and her husband, also elderly and boosted, now have Covid but PRAISE JESUS! the boosters are keeping their symptoms kind of mild. I wanted to tell her they probably would have had the same kind of mild symptoms without the shots but her daughter is a RN and, as we know, they KNOW it all (the snark coming because my own brother who has a MSN said I'm so wrong and dangerous and deadly for not having the shots. Uh huh. Forget the fact that the shots nearly killed my husband. His own son sent me a nasty fb message when HIS 5 shotted yr old got it and gave it to the rest of the family. Like WHAT? That's MY fault? You live 500 miles away from me AND YOU SHOT THE KID UP! But I digress). I actually have RN friends who have been fired for refusing to take it so not all are delusional.
The top tier тАЬcelebrities, politicians & elites got saline but hopefully many of the rest below that got the real thing & are panicking but really, they double down. I donтАЩt think IтАЩve heard a single story about any of them that browbeat us to follow their lead have regret & said so. That doesnтАЩt mean there might not be many who refused more after the 2nd or 3rd dose, but theyтАЩll never admit it
I get it. Just wondering when all the celebrities that proudly showed off their bandaged arms suddenly realize the truth.
Maybe never. People find it very hard to pivot from a narrative that they are deeply vested in, even when all the evidence is pointing in the opposite direction.
Yup. Those who got their children jabbed are in especially deep.
The children who die here, and elsewhere in the OT are of course redeemed by the future sacrificial act of Christ.
It has and will have a lot to do with shame... that is definitely one thing that makes it so difficult to admitting the truth. The emperor was naked all along
https://changeandevolve.substack.com/p/the-emperors-new-clothes?s=w
Well, combine the garden variety shame with the fact that some made this part if their "I am superior to Trump, Trump supporters, other Republicans, religious fanatics, antivaxxers, and other science doubters (because everyone knows how little doubt and dissent have ever factored into True Science) and openly and proudly accepting this shot proves that superiority".
I'm an atheist, genderqueer, pansexual, and a true left wing progressive (which is why I am not a Democrat), and truth be told,there are many things I likely will never see eye to eye with with many on some of these more right wing substacks.
But I have never believed at any point that censorship of views opposing my own was acceptable in any way. And I have never tied any of my positions to a sense of superiority and identity to the point where being wrong about something becomes impossible to admit without massive psychological unravelling. At no point do I look down on people who have opposing views. Because on the real stuff, the big stuff, like not being mandated to submit to medical procedures or the right to speak unpopular opinions or take non-mainstream positions, we currently are in the same camp. I hope we stay that way (it wasn't so long ago it was right wingers arguing with me about the virtues of censorship of "dangerous and unacceptable" views, and the "right" of "private companies" and public platforms to control conversations/coerce medical exams or procedures however they want, civil right or communications laws bedamned--its not a right or left "thing", there are people who want their opponents silenced across the board independent of party, race or creed).
When you combine your difference of opinion (and corresponding actions) with another person or group with a personal identity of complete superiority, you paint yourself into a corner if it turns out you're wrong. For some vaxxed, the vaxxes being a failure means Trump/antivaxxers/anti-science "wins", which isn't remotely what that means, but that's how they chose to frame the issue. A serious mistake on many levels.
This is an astute analysis and something IтАЩve struggled to articulate for myself as IтАЩve experienced this bizarre shift. Thankfully my views are not my identity so I can swing around as needed. ItтАЩs been very enlightening and liberating to find I have much in common with people I originally didnтАЩt think I did. We donтАЩt all have to perfectly align on every issue. In fact, letтАЩs keep the politicians on their toes and instead of being goaded, goad them into siding with the people and not big business.
God bless you for understanding and for wanting equal rights for all. I appreciate that in a person.
+1 This! Well said! Thank you.
But they don't even consider anything not from CNN etc "evidence". It's dismissed off hand. Maybe deep down some of them wonder, I can't know that. All I see is that most people live in lala land, and there's a large cross section between them and people who have believed all the other stuff the MSM and politicians have been lying about, too. (which is putting it mildly. They created a total fantasy world, where the least important things are always news and demand attention and money, and vice versa)
Yep.
And yet that stupidly high sunk cost is exactly WHY people should be walking away from it! It may seem silly to the person involved to walk away from something they've invested so much in, but it's actually the right decision. It's like consistently losing at cards but you keep putting your savings in anyway, hopeful that you're on the right track and you'll pull through, but entirely aware that you won't have a house, savings or a wife at the end of the game!
Of course, you have to be pragmatic enough to even contemplate this concept, which most of these happily vaxxed-and-dying people are not. Hence we have people treading the paths they're treading. But you and I already know this, PolarNinja ;-)
@JMJ- just had a friend announce on FB that she, elderly and boosted, and her husband, also elderly and boosted, now have Covid but PRAISE JESUS! the boosters are keeping their symptoms kind of mild. I wanted to tell her they probably would have had the same kind of mild symptoms without the shots but her daughter is a RN and, as we know, they KNOW it all (the snark coming because my own brother who has a MSN said I'm so wrong and dangerous and deadly for not having the shots. Uh huh. Forget the fact that the shots nearly killed my husband. His own son sent me a nasty fb message when HIS 5 shotted yr old got it and gave it to the rest of the family. Like WHAT? That's MY fault? You live 500 miles away from me AND YOU SHOT THE KID UP! But I digress). I actually have RN friends who have been fired for refusing to take it so not all are delusional.
The top tier тАЬcelebrities, politicians & elites got saline but hopefully many of the rest below that got the real thing & are panicking but really, they double down. I donтАЩt think IтАЩve heard a single story about any of them that browbeat us to follow their lead have regret & said so. That doesnтАЩt mean there might not be many who refused more after the 2nd or 3rd dose, but theyтАЩll never admit it
Or they got saline and flat out lied.
Yes!! Like Mariah Carey on TV. So obvious!
? Pray tell!
ThereтАЩs a video out there somewhere. Somebody zoomed in on the fake needle.
I agree.
They didn't get' Shit'. Most of them , I believe. They think they are above us like WEF does!!
Agreed. I don't think very many "elites" actually took the vaccine.