I'd agree, but even with freedom, swedes took the vaccines at about the same rate as other western countries. I was bummed they didn't go their own way on vaxxes, too.
True. But I think they had more "exposure". Thereby perhaps giving them the benefit of avoiding some of the deleterious effects of the vaccine AND acquiring natural immunity before taking the jabs.
PLUS. The young were more of a firewall there...conferring Herd Immunity quicker to the entire population.
So many questions...so much shitty data. Who knows, right?
So many things to consider.
I don't think we definitively know the answer to either of those questions.
The only thing I wouldn't consider speculation (based on what I've seen so far) is that jabs, on a net basis, do not help natural immunity to any covid strain long term. And they appear to be deleterious to the overall "fitness" of your immune system.
All things equal; I think a lot of it has to do with timing, i.e., when did you get infected and how much time elapsed before getting vaxxed...or vice versa. And of course how many jabs did a person take.
I do think it's somewhat safe to speculate that you're immune system needs time in order to "heal"; whether it was assaulted by an infection or the jabs.
I'm unjabbed in Canada, which has been challenging to say the least. I was illness free until October 2022 (not even a cold) when I came down with a nasty bout of covid that knocked me down for 2 weeks. It took a month before I felt back to normal. All of my jabbed friends and family have had multiple colds, flu, and covid during this same time period. Based on my personal experience, I still believe that the jabs are poison, covid is a bioweapon, and they are intent on killing most of us off. I enjoy reading this kind of analysis and all of the comments (often the best part of the substack) but it will be hard to convince me otherwise.
I don't disagree with anything your saying except; I'm not as firm on the bioweapon aspect...yet.
But I do highly suspect they are trying to destroy natural immunity in general. Which makes a person a slave because they have to keep getting the poison antidote in order stave off the next infection for a few months. And then more "antidotes" for every other type of virus, etc. that people become more susceptible to because of taking the original poison.
However, I do think there could be a culling based on some of the new infertility data that's coming out. That could be more efficient than a bioweapon. And potentially have longer term implications.
I think they threw the kitchen sink at it and we're going to find out a lot of really bad adverse effects that could "mimic" a bioweapon.
My experience with covid was similar but I had Delta. About a 3 week process for me. 3 days of denial. 5 -7 days completely incapacitated. They rest of the time just exhausted.
Many props to you for staying strong. I had to do something similar as a business owner because I defied all the mandates and orders at a significant expense.
Is their early natural immunity helping to reduce the non-infection-related deaths that are raising ACM (and are presumably jab related) in other countries?
Also it seems that many are arguing the following:
1. Swedes for some reason got early natural immunity because they didn't have lockdowns even though lockdowns don't work
2. The other countries which never really locked down somehow didn't manage to get the same early natural immunity that Sweden got even though they also didn't lockdown
Even if there were some lockdowns, most argue that lockdowns don't work so why would only the Swedes have natural immunity?
Seems to me that to accept bad cat's theory of early immunity for Swedes, then we either have to accept the premise that lockdowns work to some extent and the only reason Swedes had early natural immunity while these other citizens didn't is because their measures did prevent exposure to the virus which means that their measures must have differed enough from Sweden's to prevent them from getting the same natural immunity Swedes managed to get.
Is there evidence to support the contention that Swedes had natural immunity while citizens of these other nations didn't?
You're right, there is a comflict of ideas here. Without looking up data, I seem to recall 2020 as Sweden had comparable cases/deaths to other countries regardless of lockdown and mask policies.
Personally, I think a hard lockdown (e.g. australia or china style) can reduce cases in the short term, but virus gonna virus and infections will catchup eventually. The lockdowns most countries did weren't hard enough to make much difference in the virus (but hard enough to screw lots of other things up).
Even if swedes had more natural immunity early, I don't see how that could effect vaccine-driven non-infectious deaths
If the same groups that are extra vulnerable to Covid are also more vulnerable to long and short term side-effects, then the fact most of our highly vulnerable dying off during 2020/2021 would naturally mean that there are fewer left who are vulnerable to the shots' side-effects.
Whereas in nations that prolonged and spread out the time of the spreading of the virus via lockdowns and such, therefore also spreading out the dying off of vulnerable groups, there is a more numerous group of injection-vulnerable people left leading to the rise in ACM.
Perhaps the natural immunity of the Swedes from frequent exposure allowed their bodies to neutralize the spike proteins from the jabs more effectively, so the spike proteins could not do as much damage throughout the body, thus reducing post-vaxx mortality.
And I live in middle Sweden; most of the nation is further North.
It's been so cold some days, I've been forced to chisel the hen house open due to the frozen chicken shit acting like cement!
Not to mention that several ching-chong chinese made hinges have simply cracked from the cold - give me good swedish iron instead of this fucking chop suey sludge the racially insensitive expletives produce!
Anyways, it's been cold enough to store them vials outdoors, is what I'm saying.
Doesn't Canada have large groups of indigenous people living in arctic or sub-arctic areas (not to mention Alaska in the US)?
Comparing say Florida, Texas, California with Yukon, Nunavut and Iqaluit, with an eye to age and general health among the looked-at demographic might yield something.
If we can find a dane willing to try and compare danes in Nord-Jylland in Denmark with danish inuit in Greenland, that too might show something.
Not to mention that Africa seems to have said "Covid? Covid-Schmoevid! If it isn't as bad as ebola, it doesn't count!", "vaccines" or no.
Tin-foil hat time:
What if there's some kind of genetically sensitive component to the spike or other part of the vaccine, which increases the risk of adverse effects short and long-term, dependent on how much of the genetic markers required for activation is present in the recipient?
“Punishing” Sweden for their high-profile bucking of the lockdown mania by sending them “bad” (i.e. inert) vaxxes?
Ironically the reason the ACM/ED is better in Sweden is due to MORE freedom.
Think about that. Looking after yourself and analyzing your own risk/benefit profile actually works!
Who da thunk?!
I'd agree, but even with freedom, swedes took the vaccines at about the same rate as other western countries. I was bummed they didn't go their own way on vaxxes, too.
True. But I think they had more "exposure". Thereby perhaps giving them the benefit of avoiding some of the deleterious effects of the vaccine AND acquiring natural immunity before taking the jabs.
PLUS. The young were more of a firewall there...conferring Herd Immunity quicker to the entire population.
Filtering potency if you will for the vulnerable
I thought that adverse effects were worse if you took the jab after being covid infected?
I also thought you can't have natural immunity after the jab?
So many questions...so much shitty data. Who knows, right?
So many things to consider.
I don't think we definitively know the answer to either of those questions.
The only thing I wouldn't consider speculation (based on what I've seen so far) is that jabs, on a net basis, do not help natural immunity to any covid strain long term. And they appear to be deleterious to the overall "fitness" of your immune system.
All things equal; I think a lot of it has to do with timing, i.e., when did you get infected and how much time elapsed before getting vaxxed...or vice versa. And of course how many jabs did a person take.
I do think it's somewhat safe to speculate that you're immune system needs time in order to "heal"; whether it was assaulted by an infection or the jabs.
But there is sooo much more to it imo.
I'm unjabbed in Canada, which has been challenging to say the least. I was illness free until October 2022 (not even a cold) when I came down with a nasty bout of covid that knocked me down for 2 weeks. It took a month before I felt back to normal. All of my jabbed friends and family have had multiple colds, flu, and covid during this same time period. Based on my personal experience, I still believe that the jabs are poison, covid is a bioweapon, and they are intent on killing most of us off. I enjoy reading this kind of analysis and all of the comments (often the best part of the substack) but it will be hard to convince me otherwise.
I don't disagree with anything your saying except; I'm not as firm on the bioweapon aspect...yet.
But I do highly suspect they are trying to destroy natural immunity in general. Which makes a person a slave because they have to keep getting the poison antidote in order stave off the next infection for a few months. And then more "antidotes" for every other type of virus, etc. that people become more susceptible to because of taking the original poison.
However, I do think there could be a culling based on some of the new infertility data that's coming out. That could be more efficient than a bioweapon. And potentially have longer term implications.
I think they threw the kitchen sink at it and we're going to find out a lot of really bad adverse effects that could "mimic" a bioweapon.
My experience with covid was similar but I had Delta. About a 3 week process for me. 3 days of denial. 5 -7 days completely incapacitated. They rest of the time just exhausted.
Many props to you for staying strong. I had to do something similar as a business owner because I defied all the mandates and orders at a significant expense.
Is their early natural immunity helping to reduce the non-infection-related deaths that are raising ACM (and are presumably jab related) in other countries?
That doesn't make much sense does it?
Also it seems that many are arguing the following:
1. Swedes for some reason got early natural immunity because they didn't have lockdowns even though lockdowns don't work
2. The other countries which never really locked down somehow didn't manage to get the same early natural immunity that Sweden got even though they also didn't lockdown
Even if there were some lockdowns, most argue that lockdowns don't work so why would only the Swedes have natural immunity?
Seems to me that to accept bad cat's theory of early immunity for Swedes, then we either have to accept the premise that lockdowns work to some extent and the only reason Swedes had early natural immunity while these other citizens didn't is because their measures did prevent exposure to the virus which means that their measures must have differed enough from Sweden's to prevent them from getting the same natural immunity Swedes managed to get.
Is there evidence to support the contention that Swedes had natural immunity while citizens of these other nations didn't?
You're right, there is a comflict of ideas here. Without looking up data, I seem to recall 2020 as Sweden had comparable cases/deaths to other countries regardless of lockdown and mask policies.
Personally, I think a hard lockdown (e.g. australia or china style) can reduce cases in the short term, but virus gonna virus and infections will catchup eventually. The lockdowns most countries did weren't hard enough to make much difference in the virus (but hard enough to screw lots of other things up).
Even if swedes had more natural immunity early, I don't see how that could effect vaccine-driven non-infectious deaths
If the same groups that are extra vulnerable to Covid are also more vulnerable to long and short term side-effects, then the fact most of our highly vulnerable dying off during 2020/2021 would naturally mean that there are fewer left who are vulnerable to the shots' side-effects.
Whereas in nations that prolonged and spread out the time of the spreading of the virus via lockdowns and such, therefore also spreading out the dying off of vulnerable groups, there is a more numerous group of injection-vulnerable people left leading to the rise in ACM.
Maybe?
Damn good question
That’s a sin against big Harma
Yeah but money talks.
Eventually even governments won't be able to hide that data.
Perhaps the natural immunity of the Swedes from frequent exposure allowed their bodies to neutralize the spike proteins from the jabs more effectively, so the spike proteins could not do as much damage throughout the body, thus reducing post-vaxx mortality.
This needs to be pursued imo.
Question is how?
Interesting
Inert; because they couldn't keep them sub zero in Sweden... of all places!
-22C/-7F here this morning.
And I live in middle Sweden; most of the nation is further North.
It's been so cold some days, I've been forced to chisel the hen house open due to the frozen chicken shit acting like cement!
Not to mention that several ching-chong chinese made hinges have simply cracked from the cold - give me good swedish iron instead of this fucking chop suey sludge the racially insensitive expletives produce!
Anyways, it's been cold enough to store them vials outdoors, is what I'm saying.
You know: one confounder is that Nordic people are robust by nature...rather FORCED by nature.
Seriously that is a confounder
Doesn't Canada have large groups of indigenous people living in arctic or sub-arctic areas (not to mention Alaska in the US)?
Comparing say Florida, Texas, California with Yukon, Nunavut and Iqaluit, with an eye to age and general health among the looked-at demographic might yield something.
If we can find a dane willing to try and compare danes in Nord-Jylland in Denmark with danish inuit in Greenland, that too might show something.
Not to mention that Africa seems to have said "Covid? Covid-Schmoevid! If it isn't as bad as ebola, it doesn't count!", "vaccines" or no.
Tin-foil hat time:
What if there's some kind of genetically sensitive component to the spike or other part of the vaccine, which increases the risk of adverse effects short and long-term, dependent on how much of the genetic markers required for activation is present in the recipient?
An injectable Holocaust, so to speak.
I don't think that's tinfoil at all.
And yes of course Nordic people are more robust. The species started culling the further north you went after "temperant" zones.
😳
In my movie plot brain- some rogue scientist saw the dangers and placed the vials in the microwave secretly beforehand to make them safe :)
Love it!
We should have a summit so we can write a sci-fi novel about all this covid crap.
By punished do you mean rewarded?
In these days when evil is good and bitter is sweet, yes, punishment is a reward.