Excellent points. It's entirely possible Sweden got less toxic batches, but I'm leaning towards Baddo Cato's hypothesis that wide spread pre-vax exposure to the vid somehow firewalled the pop. But even in Sweden, all cause has increased somewhat, just not by very much.
Excellent points. It's entirely possible Sweden got less toxic batches, but I'm leaning towards Baddo Cato's hypothesis that wide spread pre-vax exposure to the vid somehow firewalled the pop. But even in Sweden, all cause has increased somewhat, just not by very much.
Also, we didn't give Spikevax to people under 31 due to the risk of myo/pericarditis. The receommended interval is 4-7 weeks between first and second dose, and a minimum of a four-month interval to the first booster, and another four months for any further booster.
Note: boosters are generally only recommended to those particularly vulnerable, though they are available on demand.
Our idiots-in-chief are trying to drum up some Covid panic, to little effect other than tired mockery so far.
I blame him. I blame him for 50 years of corruption, plagiarism, misogyny, child sniffing, POC hurting policy making, and other forms of fuckery. Now heтАЩs just capping it off in a big way.
I agree with you, but how much of him left is there to blame?
My Great Aunt Jean suffered a stroke about a decade before she passed, and it was like her slate had been wiped clean. She was a great spirit and energy before this happened, and after...that same spirit existed, but not with any memories attached to it.
Biden is like a beach in Texas where a lot of sand gets eroded each day. I'm not saying that there doesn't need to be any accountability for him, but biden is for the most part, a meat sack without volitional will (you could argue this beforehand as well due to his plagiarism)
I think this is what makes him the perfect antidote to trump. You can argue Trump isa lot of things, but one thing he is not...is absent. And if we are going to be intellectually consistent, should also be scrutinized for his sexist behavior as well. Not sure about "child sniffing" in Trump's case, but he did at least appear with Epstein...unless those photos were faked.
If it were up to me, the last people who should be in office who think running for office is a good idea. But I am talking about the ideal world that I want to live in where one of the few choices you don't get to make is whether or not you should serve the state.
Biden has always been a dim bulb and rambled on nonsensically. They called it тАЬloquaciousтАЭ back when I was a reporter. But, alas, heтАЩs a useful idiot. Oh, and donтАЩt forget the rape charge. I believe her
I agree with your sentiment to an extent. Thing is, he knows heтАЩs lying cheating and steamy to us and from us. He knows heтАЩs serving other than the American public. He knows. Always has.
Why would Sweden has move pre-vax exposure than the other Scandanavian countries given that bad cat claims that none of them had strict lockdowns and that in any case, lockdowns don't work even if they did?
I know in June 2020 that Norway said that they would not lock down in the future though they did have a spring lockdown mostly in Oslo. However Denmark, which is one of the comparisons here, actually implemented vaccine passports so I don't think bad cat is right about the level of strictness being fairly equal in these countries. My understanding is that Finland was somewhere between Denmark and Norway in restrictions. Here's more about the removal of vaccine passports in Denmark:
If bad cat's theory on pre-vax exposure is correct, it would suggest that lockdowns work to some extent or at least some type of border closure does. The way to have tested this would have been to check antibodies to see if there really was a difference in pre-vax exposure among these populations. Another comparison would be with states which locked down and with states that didn't. A good one to check would be South Dakota.
It's possible that the pre-vax exposure was the same for all the countries but Sweden's population were more susceptible to covid than neighboring countries because Sweden had a very light flu year in 2019 which could have spared their at risk population more so than Norway ergo having more deaths in 2020. I have heard that Sweden put the covid patients in nursing homes so that could have raised the death rate there in 2020. As for why their excess death rate is lower now, you raise a great point. It would also be good to know what vaccines and in what proportion are being used by these nations.
"I have heard that Sweden put the covid patients in nursing homes so that could have raised the death rate there in 2020."
Other way around: Covid hit nursing homes first, before the regs and protocols for basic hygiene were more rigorously enforced (make that properly enforced).
Once in place, deaths started to level out. Also, winter vomiting disease, flu and some other seasonal infections virtually flatlined due to improved hygiene.
While that is done, it is "only" for issues that are domestically volatile (race & crime, migration & crime, cost of non-european migration, practical concrete effects of feminist/LGBWTFBBQ+ doctrine, et cetera); Covid and vaccines aren't one of those.
That pride you allude to is true, but the leaders would simply lie outright instead. A lie reported as truth and later revealed would have zero effect on the message, as long as state media supports the lie. Committing actual fraud re: data collection would be actionable and a career-ending move.
Excellent points. It's entirely possible Sweden got less toxic batches, but I'm leaning towards Baddo Cato's hypothesis that wide spread pre-vax exposure to the vid somehow firewalled the pop. But even in Sweden, all cause has increased somewhat, just not by very much.
I think that Sweden gave more time (6 weeks) between jab doses than other countries (3 weeks for US), which may have reduced SAEs.
Also, we didn't give Spikevax to people under 31 due to the risk of myo/pericarditis. The receommended interval is 4-7 weeks between first and second dose, and a minimum of a four-month interval to the first booster, and another four months for any further booster.
Note: boosters are generally only recommended to those particularly vulnerable, though they are available on demand.
Our idiots-in-chief are trying to drum up some Covid panic, to little effect other than tired mockery so far.
Hard to blame Biden for anything, at this point I think he views the world like Jim Carrey did in the Truman Show.
I blame him. I blame him for 50 years of corruption, plagiarism, misogyny, child sniffing, POC hurting policy making, and other forms of fuckery. Now heтАЩs just capping it off in a big way.
I agree with you, but how much of him left is there to blame?
My Great Aunt Jean suffered a stroke about a decade before she passed, and it was like her slate had been wiped clean. She was a great spirit and energy before this happened, and after...that same spirit existed, but not with any memories attached to it.
Biden is like a beach in Texas where a lot of sand gets eroded each day. I'm not saying that there doesn't need to be any accountability for him, but biden is for the most part, a meat sack without volitional will (you could argue this beforehand as well due to his plagiarism)
I think this is what makes him the perfect antidote to trump. You can argue Trump isa lot of things, but one thing he is not...is absent. And if we are going to be intellectually consistent, should also be scrutinized for his sexist behavior as well. Not sure about "child sniffing" in Trump's case, but he did at least appear with Epstein...unless those photos were faked.
If it were up to me, the last people who should be in office who think running for office is a good idea. But I am talking about the ideal world that I want to live in where one of the few choices you don't get to make is whether or not you should serve the state.
Also the plagiarism has been happening for the past 40 years and the lying
Biden has always been a dim bulb and rambled on nonsensically. They called it тАЬloquaciousтАЭ back when I was a reporter. But, alas, heтАЩs a useful idiot. Oh, and donтАЩt forget the rape charge. I believe her
I bet your Aunt Jean was a wonderful person. IтАЩm sorry that happened to her.
I agree with your sentiment to an extent. Thing is, he knows heтАЩs lying cheating and steamy to us and from us. He knows heтАЩs serving other than the American public. He knows. Always has.
You nailed it!
Yes! Shout it from the mountain Boots!
The U.K. had 3 months between first and second doses and has excess mortality.
Canada too
Why would Sweden has move pre-vax exposure than the other Scandanavian countries given that bad cat claims that none of them had strict lockdowns and that in any case, lockdowns don't work even if they did?
I know in June 2020 that Norway said that they would not lock down in the future though they did have a spring lockdown mostly in Oslo. However Denmark, which is one of the comparisons here, actually implemented vaccine passports so I don't think bad cat is right about the level of strictness being fairly equal in these countries. My understanding is that Finland was somewhere between Denmark and Norway in restrictions. Here's more about the removal of vaccine passports in Denmark:
https://www.traveloffpath.com/denmark-to-remove-mandatory-vaccine-passports-and-masks/
If bad cat's theory on pre-vax exposure is correct, it would suggest that lockdowns work to some extent or at least some type of border closure does. The way to have tested this would have been to check antibodies to see if there really was a difference in pre-vax exposure among these populations. Another comparison would be with states which locked down and with states that didn't. A good one to check would be South Dakota.
It's possible that the pre-vax exposure was the same for all the countries but Sweden's population were more susceptible to covid than neighboring countries because Sweden had a very light flu year in 2019 which could have spared their at risk population more so than Norway ergo having more deaths in 2020. I have heard that Sweden put the covid patients in nursing homes so that could have raised the death rate there in 2020. As for why their excess death rate is lower now, you raise a great point. It would also be good to know what vaccines and in what proportion are being used by these nations.
"I have heard that Sweden put the covid patients in nursing homes so that could have raised the death rate there in 2020."
Other way around: Covid hit nursing homes first, before the regs and protocols for basic hygiene were more rigorously enforced (make that properly enforced).
Once in place, deaths started to level out. Also, winter vomiting disease, flu and some other seasonal infections virtually flatlined due to improved hygiene.
Could Sweden be cheating with its stats? They have been massaging and hiding various stats since about 2005.
While that is done, it is "only" for issues that are domestically volatile (race & crime, migration & crime, cost of non-european migration, practical concrete effects of feminist/LGBWTFBBQ+ doctrine, et cetera); Covid and vaccines aren't one of those.
How do you know? If they are willing to cheat in one area... etc.
These stats give them a reason to feel proud about Sweden being "right" and 'better" which they seem to crave.
That pride you allude to is true, but the leaders would simply lie outright instead. A lie reported as truth and later revealed would have zero effect on the message, as long as state media supports the lie. Committing actual fraud re: data collection would be actionable and a career-ending move.
Part of it is the pull-forward effect masking the immune suppression of the vax in a partially immunized population.
Part of it is the quality of the vax batches: not all of them are associated with many deaths, only some.
Let's not forget that the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control is located in Sweden. It's NO coincidence.
How many deteriorated vax batches would you expect to end up in Sweden? Close to NONE.
Same as in the US: some states (not so mysteriously) have far fewer vax-related adverse events...