This is great. It supports a perfectly reasonable "dry tinder" sort of theory where the places that got blitzed before there was a vaccine now have solid herd immunity.
If that's true we have a second controlled experiment on the horizon: places that built up herd immunity the hard way (NY, Boston) versus the less urban places that have a higher prevalence of vaccination-based immunity. Will the vaxxed-only keep getting sick while the herd immunity places don't, is what is on my mind.
This is what I think happened in Bay Area. Nasty "flu season" on the record late 2019, this would have been one of the first outbreak locals due to constant travel to/from Wuhan. I think Covid just ripped through early.
Of course the San Franciscans continue to tell themselves it's because they're more sophisticated. Joke's on them at the end of the day of course, as they will mask up for years, lock down for every variant and take the booster 6-pack to no actual benefit.
We have bloodwork from Mid December 2019 showing roughly 2% of people on the west coast had antibodies already. That was four months before we did anything at all to slow the curve, and we didn't even notice the virus in the middle of flu season.
Per the CDC's recently changed definition of "vaccine," there is no vaccine-based immunity because vaccines no longer confer immunity; they merely confer "protection." Given that the CDC's recently changed definition of herd immunity only refers to immunity via vaccination, there can't be herd immunity either.
This was also observed in Scandinavia with severe flu seasons preceeding fewer Covid deaths, and the inverse. This answers the "but...but Norway!" argument, for example.
Oh, I should mention that vit D is very safe......taking 10,000IU per day for.two weeks at first to elevate levels is key....do your own homework, plenty of studies can be found
Dr McCullough said on Joe Rohan’s podcast that the best thing you can do is disinfect your nasal passages every day with 2 tsp of betadine mixed with 6oz of water. Use a nasal syringe to snort it up your nose as you spray it in your nostrils and then spit it out through your mouth. You could also use other disinfectants - you’ll need to listen to the podcast.
Also, Peter has referenced the studies with mouthwash. When my wife had COVID in August Peter and I spoke multiple times and he told me to buy yellow listerine and yellow dial soap. Using both to lower viral load. Although my wife was sick with covid I never got COVID. We are both 53 and in good health. High vit d levels>50. My wife tested positive on Thursday and then exactly 7 days later tested negative.
Shower with it.....antiseptic qualities....my grandparents used this soap and it is nostalgic for me but it really dries out the skin....essentially everything my grandparents used can help LOL
I've had the original 2 jabs, but no booster. As long as I'm asymptomatic I have no desire whatsoever to be tested or to have a booster. Even though I'm over 60 there are enough therapeutics that I'm not worried about dying, and I'm healthy enough I don't worry much about hospitalization, either. But then, I live in a red state and am retired, so I'm not getting bludgeoned every day by vaccine fascists...
But Biden thinks that this winter we will all die from it. He must not have read the news that this is a mild variant. Well, he might be scared because he has been jabbed !
I read that, I read an interview with a nurse who stated that the BigOnes did get saline injections. If it ever comes to forced injection I will insist to be jabbed with whatever one of them gets, there on the scene, from the same bottle !
One variable may be Vitamin D. It was a warmer Autumn than usual throughout all of New England but was more so in southern New England. So people in southern New England were likely outside more than people in northern New England until very recently. That means people in southern New England received more Vitamin D from sunshine and were also indoors less which would also decrease transmission.Of course this variance in Vitamin D and being indoors more during colder times is what drives seasonality.
I honestly think the Vitamin D thing is oversold, especially as a supplement. People have lived at northern latitudes forever and have adapted to this fact by eating cold water fish in the winter. Low Vitamin D usually means you haven't gotten enough sun during the spring/summer/fall and/or you don't have enough cholesterol in your diet. Also the healthy Vitamin D ranges were upped significantly about ten years ago and they never look at active, only storage.
You may be right. I think when people ate more in tune with the seasons people ate more cold water fish but thats less so now and while the D recommendations were upped I think a lot of people don't pay attention to.that type of thing and many people still have a D deficiency. However like a lot of things it can be oversold. CBD being one example. I took 5 to 6000 IU D3 a day for close to 20 years and attributed it to my never having a flu but I stopped for a few years and still didn't get a flu so who knows. I started taking 5 to 6000 IU a day again when corona came around as a precaution and because many recommend it. I live in a northern climate and it's hard to get much sun in the winter.
A confounding variable might also be the number of people who supplement with D (and other vitamins and minerals). Is it even possible to know such a thing?
I'm in SoCal, and I sunbathe moderately from late winter through spring and summer into early fall, supplementing in late fall through winter.
I'm a born and bred L.A. woman who moved to Upstate NY 16 years ago. Within a few years, my Vit D levels sunk enough to need supplements. Help w my mood in winter, too. However, my husband and I still got a fairly yucky case of Covid this last Jan. So...who knows? My SIL dropped off what I dubbed a "leper basket" with azithromycin, zinc, quercetin, and a couple of tubes of Ivermectin (the actual horse paste.) She included a a bottle of a nice, Portuguese red but I stupidly opened it before my taste was back 100%. Pfft!
inevitably, someone will likely object “but it all would have been worse had there been no vaccines!”
If that were true, then why was 2021...with mass vaccinations and less virulent viral variants...worse than 2020?
I can't remember the name, but I saw an interview of a health department official from Vermont who basically admitted Vermont was paying the price for suppressing the virus last year.
I do IT work for a number of schools. Had one admin person say they wondered if schools hadn’t locked down in spring 2020 if things wouldn’t be better.
And for banning the early treatments. If you let a common cold run amok, you will end up with bronchitis or pneumonia too. I know someone who ended up being sick for 4 weeks after going to the doctor with a cold too though LOL
Malone casually mentioned Delta as being more virulent the other day, though I'm not sure what his opinion is based on. By coincidence, I was just revisiting the CDC's odd declaration that Delta has more severe outcomes at the end of July, based on studies from Singapore, Canada, and Scotland. The Canada one actually did have an interesting signal for more hospitalizations from Delta than Alpha. That was based on cases in the late spring... but by July it was impossible to sort the effect of the elderly losing infection efficacy en masse from what Delta's true nature really was.
Right, but the flip-side is that the initially observed "low" CFR was an artifact/illusion from the elderly not being in the infection pool at first (whereas Alpha had less of a front-loaded discount). Alpha and Delta were playing against two different teams; when the elderly came back on the field Delta started racking up HRs again, but we'll never really know how it would have scored without the vax / without suppressed treatments / without renewed use of ventilators in the US etc...
The number of confounding factors in any estimate now are huge. The most vulnerable have, by now, been removed from the population either by death or recovery. Ongoing CFR estimates are less comparable.
Right, they are essentially incomparable. The point is that plugging a lower virulence variable into any back-of-the-napkin equation to prove that the vaccines didn't reduce severe outcomes is potentially flawed; Delta might in fact have had a higher virulence.
It is interesting that if you compare the onslaught of injections with the Delta wave, you get a pretty good match. You may have to offset your curves a week or so. Look at Kostoff, RN et al: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.toxrep.2021.08.010 for an analysis of injection deaths, particularly Table A1.
Less virulent? Isn't delta (2021) considered far worse than alpha (2020)?
It's not surprising that the alpha-trained, experimental, narrow, leaky shots (they don't deserve the "v" moniker) don't work well against delta and other recent variants.
Why would you bring data and facts into the conversation, gato? You know the magical nature of the vaccines are their ability to function through unwavering belief that things would have been worse without them.
Obviously something is going on - just wish someone would take a serious run at it on the main stage. This is all getting tiring and having two living senior parents I do worry (none of us victims for sure but anyways)
Of course, this is perhaps the precise reason the CDC and others refuse to track natural immunity, a.k.a. SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan 2019 survivors. It would allow this kind of calculation to show the futility of the mRNA treatment regimens.
Feeling a little conspiratorial here but if those who had COVID and built a natural immunity were forced to take the injection it would be impossible to determine efficacy of said injection.
I'm from Massachusetts (Cape Cod) - maybe my observations would add something useful. I believe it's as you say - acquired immunity.
Most restrictions are all but gone- state offices still require a mask, but everything else appears to be voluntary and/or the discretion of local counties and towns. I think kids are still forced to wear them in at least some schools. For the most part, everywhere you go there are no restrictions at all, apart from sometimes a sign asking unvaxxed people to wear a mask, but nobody really cares or pays any attention to it. This is virtually all stores, banks, libraries and restaurants. Of course, I have not submitted to the shots, but I go most everywhere freely and though I guess (from the stats) most people are vaxxed, hardly anyone seems worried about it anymore. Some people still wear masks when they don't have to, but they're a minority now.
It was a busy tourist season this year, with lots of people from everywhere mixing quite freely. Even 2020- the height of the lockdowns- tourists were here and we were all mixing pretty casually, shaking hands and all that.
The only person I know who's had any flu/covid or whatever this year was fully vaxxed. I believe there are a lot of vaxxed people who have some regrets. But, regrets or not, most vaxxed people I've encountered do not seem worried about the vax status of others.
Take my observations for whatever they're worth. I'm speaking only from what I've seen myself and what other people around here have told me.
We were just in Boston last Saturday for a college tour (yes, Northeastern had one, physically!) We were required to wear a mask indoors (yep, makes me crabbier than a wet cat.) Driving around Boston we saw a lot of folks walking outside on the sidewalks in masks in the flipping rain! Drove through Worcester, same thing. However, who am I to complain since we have Heil Hochul mandating masks indoors again?! GRRR!
I don't go to the cities, but doesn't surprise me that they're like that. One of the reasons I stay away from them. I can only speak for what I've seen around here. I do know some Covidians who wear masks all the time, and I see others around. I don't see all that many these days though. Since so many of the restrictions lifted, even the Covidians have gotten accustomed to being in places where most people aren't wearing masks and they seem to be alright with it.
I think a lot of people never got fully caught up in the hysteria- they adapt to what most people around them are doing. When that changes, they adapt just as easily.
Last week I was in a busy breakfast restaurant. Hardly anyone was wearing masks, and everyone was sitting close together, laughing and talking. There was only one guy I saw who put a mask on whenever he got up from his table. But if he was really fearful, he'd never have gone to such a place, right?
As for me, I just don't go anywhere that requires a mask unless I really have to go there. And then I'm crabby, just like you were at the college tour.
Yes, the one thing these numbers don't tell you is that this is happening DESPITE a majority of people in these states being incredibly cautious. It's not like spring break in Florida (or even Provincetown in July).
Speaking of P-Town this summer, I was out to lunch while on the Cape just after the 4th of July with two old friends and they were both telling me that the vaccine would 100 % prevent transmission, etc. but then one of them drops that her friend has a big family reunion on the Cape the week of the 4th (all adults vaccinated) and they went to Provincetown for one day to just stroll around/shop and almost all of them got Covid. So it wasn't just the people at the bars even last summer.
of course they do, just yesterday I've read that in my country unvaccinated person died in ambulance after waiting for 8 hours for test result, no need for hospitalization anymore. person had symptoms of a heart attack, but now ambulance workers , at least some of them, follow strict protocol - first test, then aid, if negative of course. if positive you are very likely to get quarantine instead of help. scary times
This is great. It supports a perfectly reasonable "dry tinder" sort of theory where the places that got blitzed before there was a vaccine now have solid herd immunity.
If that's true we have a second controlled experiment on the horizon: places that built up herd immunity the hard way (NY, Boston) versus the less urban places that have a higher prevalence of vaccination-based immunity. Will the vaxxed-only keep getting sick while the herd immunity places don't, is what is on my mind.
You can see this clearly in play when you look at NYC by region:
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary
TL;DR If you had a bad spring 2020, your winter 2020 was muted. If you dodged the bullet in spring 2020, you got hit hard in winter 2020.
Yes I agree. The fat emperor talked about this last year with bad flu in 2019 showed less death from the vid in 2020.
This is what I think happened in Bay Area. Nasty "flu season" on the record late 2019, this would have been one of the first outbreak locals due to constant travel to/from Wuhan. I think Covid just ripped through early.
Of course the San Franciscans continue to tell themselves it's because they're more sophisticated. Joke's on them at the end of the day of course, as they will mask up for years, lock down for every variant and take the booster 6-pack to no actual benefit.
We have bloodwork from Mid December 2019 showing roughly 2% of people on the west coast had antibodies already. That was four months before we did anything at all to slow the curve, and we didn't even notice the virus in the middle of flu season.
Well having a real-time human shit map is the hallmark of a sophisticated society
Per the CDC's recently changed definition of "vaccine," there is no vaccine-based immunity because vaccines no longer confer immunity; they merely confer "protection." Given that the CDC's recently changed definition of herd immunity only refers to immunity via vaccination, there can't be herd immunity either.
This was also observed in Scandinavia with severe flu seasons preceeding fewer Covid deaths, and the inverse. This answers the "but...but Norway!" argument, for example.
Some people are terrified of hospitals. Remdesvier, ventilators, administrators wanting money.
I'm going to bo like Amish... no testing, no hospitals...
I'll take my chances than be with evil folks
Zinc, vit d, vit C and quercetin everyday......vit D above 30 = no hosp and no death.......
Oh, I should mention that vit D is very safe......taking 10,000IU per day for.two weeks at first to elevate levels is key....do your own homework, plenty of studies can be found
Dr McCullough said on Joe Rohan’s podcast that the best thing you can do is disinfect your nasal passages every day with 2 tsp of betadine mixed with 6oz of water. Use a nasal syringe to snort it up your nose as you spray it in your nostrils and then spit it out through your mouth. You could also use other disinfectants - you’ll need to listen to the podcast.
Also, Peter has referenced the studies with mouthwash. When my wife had COVID in August Peter and I spoke multiple times and he told me to buy yellow listerine and yellow dial soap. Using both to lower viral load. Although my wife was sick with covid I never got COVID. We are both 53 and in good health. High vit d levels>50. My wife tested positive on Thursday and then exactly 7 days later tested negative.
What are you suppose to do with the yellow Dial soap?
Shower with it.....antiseptic qualities....my grandparents used this soap and it is nostalgic for me but it really dries out the skin....essentially everything my grandparents used can help LOL
Gargling with plain Listetine works too.
As does Scotch.
Thanks Eric... I am taking 1sr 3... will try to find Quercetin. You might be drafted to run cdc some day!
Amazon sells a Zinc Vit C quercetin combo by Eagleshine Vitamins
You all are so kind... thank you very much. Both of you, and all who have helped ignorant people like me thru this nightmare.
Vitamin Shoppe, GNC, and online. It's a zinc ionophore
God bless you.
I can't always figure out all these formats. So many I have not thanked.
My normal way to get out messages: make a t shirt. Very ugly. Characters are horribly aligned. But quick and dirty.
Next one
NUREMBERG.
or
Don't take Covid Kill Shot.
Going to go to Walgreens rx, do my Fred Sanford imitation
I never was socialized.
My Dad took me to Rome Zoo whenI was 5...
The old Italian at entrance, started to get all emotional:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING HIM HOME
I've had the original 2 jabs, but no booster. As long as I'm asymptomatic I have no desire whatsoever to be tested or to have a booster. Even though I'm over 60 there are enough therapeutics that I'm not worried about dying, and I'm healthy enough I don't worry much about hospitalization, either. But then, I live in a red state and am retired, so I'm not getting bludgeoned every day by vaccine fascists...
God bless you. I hope the best for you and your family
But Biden thinks that this winter we will all die from it. He must not have read the news that this is a mild variant. Well, he might be scared because he has been jabbed !
Someone just let me know Biden did not get his icecream cone today. Maybe that is it
Saline looks *just* like a vaccine on camera.
I read that, I read an interview with a nurse who stated that the BigOnes did get saline injections. If it ever comes to forced injection I will insist to be jabbed with whatever one of them gets, there on the scene, from the same bottle !
Next step... learn which freaken arm you were silupposed to have gotten kill shot
Or not... NWO oversees covid kill shot to its lackeys, I mean leaders of once sovereign nations
One variable may be Vitamin D. It was a warmer Autumn than usual throughout all of New England but was more so in southern New England. So people in southern New England were likely outside more than people in northern New England until very recently. That means people in southern New England received more Vitamin D from sunshine and were also indoors less which would also decrease transmission.Of course this variance in Vitamin D and being indoors more during colder times is what drives seasonality.
This far north (MA) it gets more and more difficult to produce Vitamin D even if outdoors all day long.
It becomes quite minimal by the end of October or so. Doesn't ramp up again until spring.
Minimal by the end of October sounds good to me. I'm way up in northern Maine and its minimal by late September.
I honestly think the Vitamin D thing is oversold, especially as a supplement. People have lived at northern latitudes forever and have adapted to this fact by eating cold water fish in the winter. Low Vitamin D usually means you haven't gotten enough sun during the spring/summer/fall and/or you don't have enough cholesterol in your diet. Also the healthy Vitamin D ranges were upped significantly about ten years ago and they never look at active, only storage.
You may be right. I think when people ate more in tune with the seasons people ate more cold water fish but thats less so now and while the D recommendations were upped I think a lot of people don't pay attention to.that type of thing and many people still have a D deficiency. However like a lot of things it can be oversold. CBD being one example. I took 5 to 6000 IU D3 a day for close to 20 years and attributed it to my never having a flu but I stopped for a few years and still didn't get a flu so who knows. I started taking 5 to 6000 IU a day again when corona came around as a precaution and because many recommend it. I live in a northern climate and it's hard to get much sun in the winter.
A confounding variable might also be the number of people who supplement with D (and other vitamins and minerals). Is it even possible to know such a thing?
I'm in SoCal, and I sunbathe moderately from late winter through spring and summer into early fall, supplementing in late fall through winter.
The sun angle is the same, and inadequate for vitamin D production after the equinox.
That explains why laying in the sun for twice as long in September than in July still results in a lighter tan.
Yup...
I still walk around with t shirt off now, shorts, and spend a lot more time outside.
I just don't want to make women last after My 61 year old body
I take breaks from this horror
I'm taking vit D... no thanks to cdc.
Those bad boy doctors told me to!
I'm a born and bred L.A. woman who moved to Upstate NY 16 years ago. Within a few years, my Vit D levels sunk enough to need supplements. Help w my mood in winter, too. However, my husband and I still got a fairly yucky case of Covid this last Jan. So...who knows? My SIL dropped off what I dubbed a "leper basket" with azithromycin, zinc, quercetin, and a couple of tubes of Ivermectin (the actual horse paste.) She included a a bottle of a nice, Portuguese red but I stupidly opened it before my taste was back 100%. Pfft!
God bless you, thanks for more items!
Once I went far upstare NY ... Malone, X country race
inevitably, someone will likely object “but it all would have been worse had there been no vaccines!”
If that were true, then why was 2021...with mass vaccinations and less virulent viral variants...worse than 2020?
I can't remember the name, but I saw an interview of a health department official from Vermont who basically admitted Vermont was paying the price for suppressing the virus last year.
I do IT work for a number of schools. Had one admin person say they wondered if schools hadn’t locked down in spring 2020 if things wouldn’t be better.
And for banning the early treatments. If you let a common cold run amok, you will end up with bronchitis or pneumonia too. I know someone who ended up being sick for 4 weeks after going to the doctor with a cold too though LOL
Malone casually mentioned Delta as being more virulent the other day, though I'm not sure what his opinion is based on. By coincidence, I was just revisiting the CDC's odd declaration that Delta has more severe outcomes at the end of July, based on studies from Singapore, Canada, and Scotland. The Canada one actually did have an interesting signal for more hospitalizations from Delta than Alpha. That was based on cases in the late spring... but by July it was impossible to sort the effect of the elderly losing infection efficacy en masse from what Delta's true nature really was.
The CFR for Delta was lower than Alpha, even though it climbed over the summer as the jabs failed.
Right, but the flip-side is that the initially observed "low" CFR was an artifact/illusion from the elderly not being in the infection pool at first (whereas Alpha had less of a front-loaded discount). Alpha and Delta were playing against two different teams; when the elderly came back on the field Delta started racking up HRs again, but we'll never really know how it would have scored without the vax / without suppressed treatments / without renewed use of ventilators in the US etc...
The number of confounding factors in any estimate now are huge. The most vulnerable have, by now, been removed from the population either by death or recovery. Ongoing CFR estimates are less comparable.
Right, they are essentially incomparable. The point is that plugging a lower virulence variable into any back-of-the-napkin equation to prove that the vaccines didn't reduce severe outcomes is potentially flawed; Delta might in fact have had a higher virulence.
It is interesting that if you compare the onslaught of injections with the Delta wave, you get a pretty good match. You may have to offset your curves a week or so. Look at Kostoff, RN et al: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.toxrep.2021.08.010 for an analysis of injection deaths, particularly Table A1.
Oh don’t forget only unvaxxed died in 2021 🤪😜🤓🧐🤨
Has no bearing on all cause deaths.
Less virulent? Isn't delta (2021) considered far worse than alpha (2020)?
It's not surprising that the alpha-trained, experimental, narrow, leaky shots (they don't deserve the "v" moniker) don't work well against delta and other recent variants.
PHE/UKHSA stopped reporting the CFR for Delta mid-summer...but it was still half the CFR for Alpha.
Look at the case curve for the pandemic versus the death curve.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom
Why would you bring data and facts into the conversation, gato? You know the magical nature of the vaccines are their ability to function through unwavering belief that things would have been worse without them.
SUCH helpful analysis, Gato . . . thank you!
Obviously something is going on - just wish someone would take a serious run at it on the main stage. This is all getting tiring and having two living senior parents I do worry (none of us victims for sure but anyways)
Of course, this is perhaps the precise reason the CDC and others refuse to track natural immunity, a.k.a. SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan 2019 survivors. It would allow this kind of calculation to show the futility of the mRNA treatment regimens.
Feeling a little conspiratorial here but if those who had COVID and built a natural immunity were forced to take the injection it would be impossible to determine efficacy of said injection.
Not conspiracy at all. The push to vaccinate to the 100% mark is totally to destroy the potential control group, the cohort of natural immune.
And the never- infected healthy.
Especially those under the age of 20. Gotta get the kids.
Agreed. Thank you for this #TruthBeTold comment.
6th Circuit Dissolves 5th Circuit Stay in OSHA Mandate Case
https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/386-Order-Granting-Govts-Mtn-to-Dissolve-Admin-Stay.pdf
A good read would lead one to conclude that the judges have no clue of who it is that is spreading Covid.
The number infected at 97 percent fully vaccinated Cornell University is now over 1,500.
https://covid.cornell.edu/testing/dashboard/
Our own little "Gibraltar" experiment and going just about as good. ROTFLMAO.
I'm from Massachusetts (Cape Cod) - maybe my observations would add something useful. I believe it's as you say - acquired immunity.
Most restrictions are all but gone- state offices still require a mask, but everything else appears to be voluntary and/or the discretion of local counties and towns. I think kids are still forced to wear them in at least some schools. For the most part, everywhere you go there are no restrictions at all, apart from sometimes a sign asking unvaxxed people to wear a mask, but nobody really cares or pays any attention to it. This is virtually all stores, banks, libraries and restaurants. Of course, I have not submitted to the shots, but I go most everywhere freely and though I guess (from the stats) most people are vaxxed, hardly anyone seems worried about it anymore. Some people still wear masks when they don't have to, but they're a minority now.
It was a busy tourist season this year, with lots of people from everywhere mixing quite freely. Even 2020- the height of the lockdowns- tourists were here and we were all mixing pretty casually, shaking hands and all that.
The only person I know who's had any flu/covid or whatever this year was fully vaxxed. I believe there are a lot of vaxxed people who have some regrets. But, regrets or not, most vaxxed people I've encountered do not seem worried about the vax status of others.
Take my observations for whatever they're worth. I'm speaking only from what I've seen myself and what other people around here have told me.
We were just in Boston last Saturday for a college tour (yes, Northeastern had one, physically!) We were required to wear a mask indoors (yep, makes me crabbier than a wet cat.) Driving around Boston we saw a lot of folks walking outside on the sidewalks in masks in the flipping rain! Drove through Worcester, same thing. However, who am I to complain since we have Heil Hochul mandating masks indoors again?! GRRR!
I don't go to the cities, but doesn't surprise me that they're like that. One of the reasons I stay away from them. I can only speak for what I've seen around here. I do know some Covidians who wear masks all the time, and I see others around. I don't see all that many these days though. Since so many of the restrictions lifted, even the Covidians have gotten accustomed to being in places where most people aren't wearing masks and they seem to be alright with it.
I think a lot of people never got fully caught up in the hysteria- they adapt to what most people around them are doing. When that changes, they adapt just as easily.
Last week I was in a busy breakfast restaurant. Hardly anyone was wearing masks, and everyone was sitting close together, laughing and talking. There was only one guy I saw who put a mask on whenever he got up from his table. But if he was really fearful, he'd never have gone to such a place, right?
As for me, I just don't go anywhere that requires a mask unless I really have to go there. And then I'm crabby, just like you were at the college tour.
Reminder: the vax pimps NEVER claimed that their poisons would reduce severity and death.
I live in Connecticut (southern CT) and these people are still very serious about only socializing outside
Yes, the one thing these numbers don't tell you is that this is happening DESPITE a majority of people in these states being incredibly cautious. It's not like spring break in Florida (or even Provincetown in July).
Speaking of P-Town this summer, I was out to lunch while on the Cape just after the 4th of July with two old friends and they were both telling me that the vaccine would 100 % prevent transmission, etc. but then one of them drops that her friend has a big family reunion on the Cape the week of the 4th (all adults vaccinated) and they went to Provincetown for one day to just stroll around/shop and almost all of them got Covid. So it wasn't just the people at the bars even last summer.
of course they do, just yesterday I've read that in my country unvaccinated person died in ambulance after waiting for 8 hours for test result, no need for hospitalization anymore. person had symptoms of a heart attack, but now ambulance workers , at least some of them, follow strict protocol - first test, then aid, if negative of course. if positive you are very likely to get quarantine instead of help. scary times
Are Omicron cases going to start rising due to a definition change? https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/increase-in-cases-or-definition-fiddling
This seems to support the dry tinder hypothesis discussed a year ago regarding Sweden and its neighbors.