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Cheryl Palen's avatar

What do you suggest to those who do NOT want the vaccine, but the heads of these agencies , slurping up all this mis-information, are now mandating it for them to come to work. My kid just got this news today. She's healthy and in her early 30s. She's in tears and angry. It's a behavioral health facility for children. Haven't had any issues with kids or adults. Medical and Religious waivers offered with 2x week testing. Antibody tests not accepted. I told her to quit and find something else, but I think all places like this are going to be following suit. Suggestions? Thanks!

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Ed's avatar

never [again] vote for a democrat.....

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PhilH's avatar

I’ve had allergenic reactions to vaccines in the past. Wait and see is a non-contentious response.

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Cheryl Palen's avatar

And lucky for you because you did you can now claim medical exemption from this one if your work place required it!

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Ron Carlin's avatar

I think I might go with the nocebo defence. Still to do the research. Mentally, I have a psychiatric phobia against all medication, I believe all medical intervention is harmful (nocebo effect). Like the placebo effect, the mind over body can have a major impact. So in my case, I know the vaccine is going to kill me (ok, that may be irrational, but I can't convince my mind of that). So, I'm going to try and get a psychiatrist to give me a Nocebo Certificate of Exemption on the basis that the vaccine will do me more harm than good.

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Ed's avatar

1. i submitted to the vaxx, i am over 70 and in general good health. my risk reward said: NO!

2. but my living arrangement is such 'karen' would be more dangerous than the vaxx side effects

3. i am old enough the long term neuro risks are not an issue.

4. i do do flu each year bc #2 i am used to it.

i am prone not to submit to covidiots

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carrots's avatar

Look up Peggy Hall and her website. She had some good options to try with resources. Good luck to your daughter

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Cheryl Palen's avatar

Thank you! She is so angry and upset-one of their most tireless workers with the biggest heart for these throw-away kids. Thank you!

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KatLee's avatar

If more people walk away from this nonsense, it will have to stop. Or at least be limited. It’s interesting that Walmart chooses to mandate vax to management but not frontline. A revolt amongst the proles who do their bidding would not work well for stockholders, I suppose.

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Cheryl Palen's avatar

I thought we lived in a free country and were able to make our own choices. Especially about things like this.

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Mike Sweeten's avatar

She's certainly not alone. I suggest doing some serious research on the vaccine. It's not really as scary or foreign to the normal working of the immune system as one might conjure up. Yesterday I conceded to the J&J because my manic collectivist elite older brother would not stop harassing me, and his rhetoric was getting increasingly aggressive. I saw it eventually becoming a choice between the vaccine and a relationship with he and his family. He's normally a really smart and thoughtful guy, but covid somehow became his kryptonite. She should hold out as long as she can, but may have to concede to the manic majority on this one. There will be more worthy hills for freedom loving individualists to die on. I hope that doesn't prove to be terribly naive.

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Cheryl Palen's avatar

I am concerned (and she is more than I) that it will negatively impact her cycle and possibly chances of having children. There are so many things about this experimental shot we do not know.

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Mike Sweeten's avatar

That fear might be unfounded, especially for the J&J. The good thing about not fearing the virus and holding out on the vaccine is it allows more time to see if those concerns are valid. It's telling that Alex Berenson has gotten away from the side effect angle and has changed focus to the decreasing efficacy. Good news for those fearing the vaccine. Bad for those fearing the virus.

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Cheryl Palen's avatar

Thanks! And great points!

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