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Thanks for making my point for me. Prisons, jails, and orphanages all demonstrate my point that persistent bullying is caused or prevented at the institutional level. "Bullying occurs regularly", explains the psychologist Peter Gray, "when people who have no political power and are ruled in top-down fashion by others are required by law or economic necessity to remain in that setting."

Quote source, not the same link as in my comment above: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/freedom-to-learn/201005/school-bullying-a-tragic-cost-of-undemocratic-schools

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Personal experience informs my opinion. I've been to all three places in my 78 years. Authority can remove a bully from a population of potential victims but all that happens is the second bully in line steps up. What stops a bully is a victim stepping up and clocking the bully, consequences be damned. Generally the consequences are delivered by the authority in charge. Ask me how I know.

It seems your knowledge comes from an education superior to mine. Good on ya. You wantm to know how it really works get down in the mud and rassle with the hogs.

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Again, your lived experience in those places only helps demonstrate Peter Gray's point and my point about what happens in those places. I don't claim to have had "an education superior to yours"—I got plenty of bullying in government schools—but unlike you, I don't let despair keep me from acknowledging the success of the Sudbury experiment.

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