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Better question: where is the evidence from spring 2020 that a vaccine was needed?

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sigh, indeed.

this was always a political exigency to "do something" about a crisis whose fear mongering got way out of control and never about science or sound practice.

the evidence was always against anything to do with mRNA vaccines, rushed vaccine programs, and the very idea of trying to vaccinate during a pandemic.

right up until 2020, everyone knew these were bad ideas.

but like so many other examples, this knowledge was not only abandoned but inverted and passed off as desperate societal need.

this has been a derangement ne plus ultra.

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More than that, it’s about covering up senicide and the massive hospital protocol failures - especially in NYC but elsewhere too.

Covid Case definition won’t change substantially anytime soon, because it would reveal that tens of thousands of people died from human interventions & decisions, not from a *novel* respiratory virus that was allegedly way deadlier than flu.

Very sad.

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The senicide happened in Madrid, Milan, Paris, London, Brussels, Stockholm, Montreal, etc. as well as multiple urban centers in 15 US states and DC.

Anyone writing about this needs to understand the details of how these deaths were manufactured. Several hundred thousand elderly were killed in all locales combined. All of these locations harmonized their medical procedures via WHO mandates. The individuals at the top of the pyramid knew what they were doing.

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It's ironic (or design) that the very people they claimed to be aiding and helping were the ones they were injuring. And the campaign continues. On Twitter one of the latest ads for the Covid vaccine is Grandpa should get it so he doesn't have to see his kids virtually. You know because the vaccine stops transmission and infection, right?

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I’m a grandmother and I never stopped seeing my grandchildren. I used the data from Sweden to prove to myself and others, my grandbabies weren’t vectors of disease. I’m still amazed that grandparents saw their grandchildren in this light.

I have a distant relative whose own father won’t see her because she’s not vaccinated. He’s in his 80’s and I’m guessing he wont see her again. The brainwashing done to our Vietnam vets is peak banana republic.

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One of the first studies to come out was how the disease rarely traveled from children to adult. That if anything, it traveled from adult to child, and since kids were so adept at handling it via their immune system it didn't even register.

One of the arguments throughout this pandemic (after the mantra "follow the science" was that if you don't mask, vaccinate. social distance, lockdown, you are killing grandma. I asked honestly. What is more selfish, to not wear a mask/vacc/distance/lockdown for .14% of the population who could die from Covid, or to demand the rest of the population do these measures for them that clearly do not work.

I was told, adamantly, that I was the one who was selfish.

I do find it interesting that the same group that invokes "follow the science" quickly devolves into moral judgements meant to make you feel guilty.

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Thank you for saying so, I have so often felt like the whole world simply went bonkers.

re "Grandbabies as vectors of disease"-- to my mind no one has expressed the nuttiness better than Dr. Flurm Googly Bean

https://drflurmgooglybean.substack.com/p/dirty-elmo-part-1

https://drflurmgooglybean.substack.com/p/dirty-elmo-part-2

Made me laugh, in a sad way.

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And the rest were just following orders.

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True, this whole fiasco has been planned for decades.

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I remember reading somewhere on here that one of the biggest causes of all of this was to call it novel

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The demand for vaccines was one part FEAR and one part the promise of returning to normal, i.e., no masking, ending the lockdowns, opening the economy and returning kids to school.

Oldest tricks in the book....

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2020 was an election year....

the big fish fry.

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It's not a coincidence that covid theater kicked off immediately after the failure of impeachment theater.

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Covid was triggered in September 2019 in response to the global liquidity crisis. They had been preparing this for quite a while.

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Yep! The perfect cover for throwing trillions of dollars into the system to paper over the problems (again)

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The Covid panic started in late January 2020, the week of Chinese New Year. As the situation developed, my wife wondered if she'd already had it. She had had a strange kind of flu or cold in November/December of 2019....about 3 weeks of feeling "off"....tired, achy, coughing. Not so bad to go to the doctor, because pre-covid it wasn't unusual to have a "touch of the flu" in the winter.

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Yep....my son and girlfriend got sick at university in the fall of 2019...doctors couldn't figure it out back then but threw what they knew at it...HCQ and zinc and even ivermectin. His girlfriend has asthma and she got some nebulizer treatments with some sort of steroid mix in it. They were sick, but recovered just fine within a couple of weeks.

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This is exactly why I was skeptical immediately. The establishment had been trying to take out Trump for years, and the reporting on the covid was immediately and thoroughly political. Whatever Trump did was wrong. Whatever he said was wrong and crazy. If Trump said, hmm....light kills the virus, maybe we can use that....the press would scream that Trump told people to eat light bulbs !! OBVIOUSLY none of that was scientific or medical.

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Yep. If Trump says it's dangerous, the Democrats said to go hang out in Chinatown. If Trump said it was no big deal, the Democrats shut down society.

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You might recall Trump saying early on that New York city and its environs seemed to be a hot spot and perhaps we should try to isolate or quarantine the area. Cuomo, when asked about this said he didn't even know what that means. Later of course Gina Raimondo, governor or RI tried to do that very thing, having her state police stop cars with NY license plates. So it was incomprehensible gibberish when Trump said it.

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Heavy sigh, this isn’t just dreadful, it seems criminal

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It is criminal.

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There was no crisis. Provide evidence for that statement.

There was no pandemic anywhere either. How do you make this

assertion? Where is your evidence for this?

Nor was this “derangement”, this was a calculated, orchestrated operation.

How much have you looked into this and how much historical knowledge do you bring to this?

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Indeed, the WHO changed the definition of pandemic to accommodate covid.

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if you have proof there was a pandemic provide it

rules of debate require your proof, not the cat's

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Maybe Allen is saying there was an illness, just not worthy of pandemic status.

The pandemic was democrat governors butchering their elderly. That’s the price of free medical care (Medicaid) to illegal aliens, dead elderly Americans.

State budgets running huge deficits, bailed out by the taxpayer. Stealing the labor of those yet born. We used to call them Russian serfs, now we call them Americans.

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There was no pandemic.

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the pandemic was created by the useless PCR testing. Thats why they pushed constant testing, to get the numbers way up. In reality, no pandemic existed like you say. This government lies about everything, see Ukraine, "Global warming", and now the "budget crisis". the best thing that could happen to the USA is for the government to shut down indefintly.

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1 piece of evidence is that research as well as anecdote has shown that covid was circulating in 2019 at least as early as September and probably earlier. It wasn't a problem until it was made famous when the MSM blared the headlines.

I don't have a link handy but one piece of research I refer to is when people who were vaccinated against measles started to get a measles like rash. Upon biopsy, the tissue sample tested negative for measles (Sept. 2019). Later, the same tissue sample tested positive for covid.

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Perhaps I am reading your second comment incorrectly. It appears to me that you are saying that there is/was a crisis and pandemic. Further, that you are asking for proof to substantiate that these did not exist.

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I can at least address "derangement"

Derangement is defined as: Disorder of the intellect or reason; insanity.

You can be deranged and still act in a calculated fashion. And the derangement can be something experienced by a large population of people.

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The psychology of the vaccine effort is really connected to Fauci and his merry band of group thinkers. The stage had been set by the mythology around smallpox and herd immunity. IOW the only way to herd immunity was to have a vaccine. Lurking in the wings has been the military anxious to have at hand the ability to create a counter to a future biologic pathogen in some conflict; the mRNA platform was to be that miracle tool.

The rise of SARS-2 was going to be Fauci's gift after long service and many failed pandemics when the "right" conditions of virulence and suitably high death rate. His crowd could see this coming and we had a "get-it-done" President who acted. The panic merchants were ecstatic, finally their day had come.

We may never know why the spike protein was chosen. Could they have picked some other protein? We remain unsure whether the lipids do what was intended. Perhaps as Dr Cole insists immunity is much more complex than looking at antibodies.

The data you have presented seem to support the point that if anything the vaccines were pointless. Hope the next Congress can get the NIH to even consider such a notion.

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I have to come to the conclusion that vaccines are always pointless.

Much too long to go into here, but vaccines didn't save us from smallpox, or polio, or measles or anything else. (you can make a pretty good case for the tetanus vaccine)

Vaccines came after we beat all those diseases and most others, through engineering.

It was sanitation and clean water that stopped all those scourges in their tracks.

The other thing that happened is we started working out what was a proper diet, refrigeration and modern supply chains ensured that most people (in western societies) got an adequate diet and people started growing stronger every generation.

(that may well have stopped now and turned around and that's because of ubiquitous glyphosate poisoning and vaccine overdose)

I would stop the lot.

Yes, all of them.

Throw them in the bin of history, along with leeches and bloodletting

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No leeches? They seemed somewhat : )

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Think of the lack of logic it takes to take a leaky vaccine with over a 1,000 side effects that's at best 30% effective (for a short amount of time) for a disease that has a survivability rate of 99.8%!

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Honest question: do we judge flu shot efficacy by whether it “prevents infection” for a few months? No -- it’s about whether it prevents sickness, hosp, death for the entire season.

Not sure why the same criteria aren’t applied to covid

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Then it shouldn’t be called a vaccine. It’s all been a lie, all of it, our entire NIH, CDC, FDA, should be thrown away, razed to the ground, everyone fired, even the mailrooms.

Read Turtle All the Way Down, these institutions totally corrupt, since polio. Not one vaccine has had a placebo group. A real placebo. To use a real placebo (sugar or other harmless substance,) would be to expose their malfeasance and utter catastrophic damage to our bodies and our children’s bodies.

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I force myself to call it an Injection. It's not a vaccine. I should also mention saying this outloud to a Jabbed person sends them into a tizzy. It's quite amusing to watch them being faced with something resembling reality.

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The narrative had to be maintained in order to cover up the biggest OOP's in history and too many hands in the "cookie jar".

And no one of leadership with the spine to call out this madness (with the exception of DeSantis).

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It was never applied to flu shots either. They're pretty much worthless.

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There's also been fairly open acknowledgement that there are years when the strains in the flu shot are mismatched: don't protect against the dominant circulating strains. Not so for the covid shots, so far.

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We will now!

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Indeed - after all that ‘curve flattening’, vaccination should have been unnecessary.

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May I suggest, "vaccination was unnecessary", might more accurately address the reality.

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They literally took credit for spring 2020 (lockdowns) and spring 2021 (vax).

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Imagine what would happen if people realized what really killed all those people in NYC hospitals. Yikes.

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yes, the word Midazolam should be on everybody's lips in every conversation around these themes.

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Oh but the models! Remember. The baying jackals of the media every single day at the pressers. All the while the modeler was trysting with his paramour. The virus never needed the “vaccines “. Therapeutics would have likely worked on many. How sad and disgraceful.

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it was the vaccines that needed the virus. Just look for Peter Dasack's speech were he said that they needed the hype and the money would follow.

This was planned meticulously by people who think they are much smarter than they are.

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But without the vaccine tens of billions of grandmas would have died!

And since that didn't happen, the vaccine was necessary!

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six gorillian granmas

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There is none.

Anybody that believed there was a "virus" after the POS George Floyd riots is a fool.

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I dunno why there were riots, Floyd was classified as a covid death.

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A vaccine was only needed for BigPharma and Governments ;)

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Jessica: Please see my answer about why we never needed the vaccines. two things I proved on Jan 11, 2021 and Jan 15, 2021 made then superfluous.

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Jessicva! I just realized, I mentioned reaching herd immunity without a single person fully-vaccinated (but showed no proof) in part2 of the final showdown with Jay. Here is Part 1 in case you were interested: https://drreidsheftall.substack.com/p/jay-vs-me-the-final-showdown-part

If you watch the first few minutes, You'll learn more about me and Jay.

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You tube took both videos down but I can send you screenshots from a video from the 24th of Jan, 2021 that mentions it as common knowledge which it was to my followers. They asked questions that showed they knew the vax wasn't blocking transmission. Actually, I discussed this with Jay Bhattacharya recently and even showed him how I did it (because he and others said I couldn't have figured it out that fast but I did, with calculus and some other things. Here are those link (I explain it at the end of part 2 and the beginning of part 3). : Part 2: https://drreidsheftall.substack.com/p/jay-vs-me-the-final-showdown-part-075

Part 3: https://drreidsheftall.substack.com/p/jay-vs-me-the-final-showdown-part-ece

The one proving we reached herd immunity on Jan. 11, 2021 was taken down, but again, I showed the proof to Jay. This is not the right one but we talk about it here a little about half way through. I'll finf the timely one later and post it to you. I have a patient now. : https://drreidsheftall.substack.com/p/jay-v-me-part-13

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It’s been too long to remain astonished. Hell is empty, the demons are all here.

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I reviewed all cause mortality statistics in the UK and segmented them by age, vaccine status and month. The short answer: Covid vaccines were associated with lower mortality for between 1-9 months (depending on age group) and have been associated with excess death EVERY SINGLE MONTH THEREAFTER FOR EVERY SINGLE AGE GROUP! And the data only goes through May '22. I can't imagine how bad the past six months have been. Anyone who wants to see my paper and the source data can view it here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16JUXjd9FZilQczcm3pHzZIW-Fe-aeI1_?usp=share_link

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i saw similar issues and i think this point has come to be quite well validated.

it seems consistent with some early efficacy (back during delta) but the outright serotype jump to omicron being an escape variant that become highly vaccine advantaged as it evolved to take advantage of antigenic fixation by leaky vaccine.

the sudden surge in infections and bad outcomes in the vaxxed was stark.

it really is a shame they stopped reporting that UK data. it was a REALLY useful dataset.

i'm sure it was just a coincidence that they terminated it right as the risk rates for the vaxxed started to explode...

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/covid-is-becoming-increasingly-vaccine

the chart with overlay by variant here is highly provocative.

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‘it was a REALLY useful dataset.’ That’s why they dropped it. They said some people were using the data to make the ‘wrong’ claims.

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I remember seeing a disclaimer like that on a dat set that showed that triple vaccinated people in their 40’s were getting 4x more than unvaccinated. The statements said something along the lines of “anti vaxxers are mischaracterizing this data.”

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I also tracked the UK data and saw the same thing, some efficacy at first but it dropped even before omicron.

I haven't done much research but I can easily state that the shots are useless: the death-from-covid numbers in Canada have increased every year starting 2020 and including 2022. If the shots prevented anything, that shouldn't be happening.

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Here’s what blows my mind. I’m not a scientist. I’m a business guy. I wrote the paper in the link last weekend. It literally only took me 2-3 hours to crunch the data and then a few hours to write it up. Why in the hell aren’t scientists around the world crunching this data and publishing papers?

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They are brain washed or frightened or morally bankrupt, (craven, really) or taking the Covid Bucks.

Take your pick.

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All the above

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Is your livelihood based on funding from these sources? To many of these people,corruption is endemic to their economic well-being...so screw humanity.

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I wish it were even this benign; as a scientist myself, let me say that my observations are closer to a large sub-set of the community being 100% ideology > truth. There a a lot of leftist scientists that know full well that they're liars; and are completely at peace with that b/c it's in service to their religion of globalist green one world government agendas.

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I left my field when I was 6 months pregnant with my son...almost 27 years ago.

I tell you, upon watching the scientific community slide down the slippery slope, I have NO hesitancy when people ( like today) ask me what I do..." I teach Martial Arts in my own rural school"

It's honest and I'm helping people. Research is often " Did thst hurt? Ok, try to get out of it..."

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As always, "Follow the money!"

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Their funding prohibits it. Seriously, all that money from 'altruistic billionaires' comes with strings attached. They are told that their hiring, procedures and training must all reflect a certain worldview or the feeding trough, I mean funding, is removed for breach of contract. Likely, there is no one left in many departments who could challenge this crap, the game was rigged previous to this.

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I had my students calculate the IFR and CFR as a demonstration of the math we would be using at the start of each class over the past two years and you could see the pupils dialate when they caught on

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That was a great way to show them the light!

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And a crafty way to stay off the school admin’s radar 😊

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Pandata.org is one group that's been analyzing data all along. There are likely many others.

Maybe getting it published is the hard part.

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I'm sure there are those that see what's happened, are aware of the data but out of self preservation, won't admit to anything. That in addition to all the other replies to your post.

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I am an ignoramus when it comes to statistics. However, I have quite a bit of anecdotal evidence, including personal, that the vaccines are worthless and in some cases fatal. We have been had, Big Time, money and power/control being the motives. Resist! Refuse! To comply is to facilitate fascist totalitarianism.

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By the way, I recall that Pfizer’s own clinical study showed that six months after vaccination more vaxxed than unvaxxed had died. (I believe 21 had died vs 17 unvaxxed.). Do you have a link to that report and page? I can’t seem to find it.

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go to this link:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1

At the top right, there is a menu; click on 'supplementary material' and make sure you download the supplementary appendix as well. The supplementary material is just the download link.

When this was first published, there was a good discussion on the website; I copied it but I can't find those comments online at the moment. If you see comments, let me know please.

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Did you take into consideration the trick that you are only counted as vaxxed 14 days after the second jab so all the short term harms/deaths are falsely classified as being amongst the unvaxxed (including diagnoses of covid during that time)?

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This is such an important point! I personally know of cases where a younger, very healthy individual who would likely have had NO problem with Covid, took the vax on mandate, and died within the two week magic window, and was labeled an "unvaccinated" Covid death.

That was a Spike Protien death, or a Covid casualty via immune system disregulation caused by the shot.

Either way I'm 99.99% positive their death was directly related to, or frankly caused by the injection.

All of those deaths are tabulated as "unvaccinated." We need them in the Covid Vaccine Adverse Events category--

Death. It's top right on FDA's list from the original EUA meeting for Pfizer.

Everyone should bloody notice that warning and think about the wickedness of the program rolled out on Humanity.

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Last year my grandfather went to the hospital at the very end stages of his battle with cancer. He was too sick to be vaxxed, so when he caught covid IN THE HOSPITAL, he was marked as an unvaxxed covid death.

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That’s why all cause mortality is the stat to look at. Pretty much every death, especially in unvaxxed, was labeled a COVID death.

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For sure. All of Covid, the entire Plandemonium, is a giant datacrime. Watch Dr Dunce Birx stand at podium and state we are taking a very liberal approach to counting deaths.

"So I think in this country, we have taken a very liberal approach to mortality . . ."

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Watching any of that crap from 2020 get my blood pressure up. It is so obvious how disingenuous those Drs. were.

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🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

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The good news with UK data is that they don’t play that trick. They clearly label how many shots the person got and when. The trick they play is what @el gato malo pointed out: As soon as the data starts showing bad outcomes they come up with an excuse to stop publishing it. Same thing happened with case counts. By March ‘22 it was sickeningly obvious that vaxxed with getting COVID 2x-4x more than unvaxxed so UKSA stopped showing the granular data. They’re crafty, but they’re not downright criminals like the CDC and FDA back here in the US.

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Are you sure? When I was looking at the UK data a year or two ago, it was clearly labeling vaccinated as being 2 weeks after the second shot.

The Alberta CA data that was posted briefly to the web showed a huge amount of cases and deaths in the first couple of weeks after a shot.

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Looks like they adjust based on time from the specimen date.

From the surveillance reports:

Not vaccinated

Received one dose (1 to 20 days before specimen date)

Received one dose, ≥21 days before specimen date

Second dose ≥14 days before specimen date

Third dose ≥14 days before specimen

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Not only that but post injection cohorts were tested up to CT28 vs uninjected up to 40-43 so as to game the numbers even more to purport the abject lie of the pandemic of the uninjected.

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Where was this happening? I worked in a USA med lab up until Oct '21 (fired for vax noncompliance) and all of our EUA PCR assays had very high Cts on a variety of RNA targets. The 'lack of standardization' amongst the various platforms was the excuse we gave for not reporting a 'postive w/ a Ct of 40' (contamination, inert fragment, etc) vs a 'positive Ct of 8 (screaming hot). This certainly bumped our positivity rate upwards significantly, yet close to zero doctors were wanting that quantitative test number. Interesting, eh? I'm especially disappointed with the infectious disease docs, whom I previously held in high regard.

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@Barney Rubble I remember that the different CTs were a big deal. Do you happen to have a link to any good articles about that?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=a_Vy6fgaBPE&t=269&app=desktop

Fauci admits if you use a cycle of 35, it's worthless. 40 cycles is 32x MORE powerful than 35.

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Probably have to use Wayback to find it.

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Looking. CDC memory-holed that info apparently. Berenson tweeted it Apr 29 2021. This was the subject of some debate in a Mathew Crawford Substack where the story had been conflated incorrectly by commenters that it was done in the trials. That was not true and it was done after EUA to prop up the injection efficacy.

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Yep! That right there gives you a fake 100% VE, because only the people who get through the worry window count as unvaxxed -- catch covid on day 39 and you count as unvaxxed!

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I think this also drives home the point of adenovirus vs. mRNA (and associated 'quality' of reporting in the regions which used each respective 'vaccine'). Below is a quite nice paper which purports some non-specific benefits for the adenovirus vaccine, but none for the mRNA (again, neglecting any 'embellished' reporting for the latter!).

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489

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Thanks

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Are you discounting seasonal drop in activity, and the most susceptible already culled, which coincided with vaccine roll-out in UK, as contributing to lower mortality?

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No. I tried to eliminate any variables or confounders that could be subject to debate. I simply measured: 1. Is someone a alive or dead for any given month, 2. Did they receive one or more COVID jabs, 3. How old are they. Even with just this data, the evidence is pretty damning for the vaccines.

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"did covid vaccines prevent covid deaths in the US?"

Strictly speaking...absolutely, unequivocally, YES.

Every person killed by the vaccines is a person who now cannot die from contracting the virus.

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With a large enough first strike, we can win the war on death FOREVER!

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That’s a very morbid way of turning lemons into lemonade. ;)

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Alternatively covid19 was rebranded flu and the 'first wave' was just mass murder by way of misused ventilators, midazolam, remdesivir and medical neglect.

Subsequent deaths being all of the above plus a toxic 'warp speed' injection.

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Yes, in Canada many seniors died of neglect early in 2020 because the workers just abandoned the care homes as covid hit. The army had to be called in in Quebec. It was a tragedy and disaster that isn't discussed much.

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I remember reading a first hand account of a guy in a COVID ward in Australia who tried to summon a nurse and she screamed, “Shut that door...you’re a bio hazard” at him.

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And yet . . . how are used paper masks treated? As a biohazard requiring special bins and treatment? Or are they discarded willy-nilly, EVEN BY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THEM, just like any other kind of trash? When I cut myself at work the biohazard kit came out, I could not just slap a bandaid on it and go back to what I was doing, oh no, the bloody paper towel could not be thrown in the trash bin, but had to be handled WITH GLOVES and put in a specially marked container, before I could go back to work. And that was for a minor cut! Because, you know, blood and body fluids are DANGEROUS.

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Here many states mandated an outbreak in every nursing home.

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This is factual yet this seems to be a topic avoided by skeptics who are trapped in some version of the covid narrative. Once it is understood that the entirety of the covid story is an intel operation and the resulting “covid deaths” are just as you described all the discussions about covid minutiae become absurd. Most substackers do not know the history or context of “pandemics” and the Security State so keep eddying round and round in these superfluous discussions.

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I predict, eventually, the ambulance chasers will not be able to resist the potential money that could be made here from massive class actions. Politics has, so far, prevented this from happening, but it like putting a rat in a cage with a chocolate bar- it won't go uneaten for very long no matter how much voltage you put through the collar.

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The Bad Guys will just move from unlicensing doctors to debarring lawyers.

FBI was running Twitter, the Fed agenda will not be stopped.

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I dislike American litigiousness as much as the next guy, but lawyers definitely serve a purpose. The ordinary checks and balances have been wiped out for vaccines with their liability protections, so we need major class action fraud lawsuits.

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i doubt it very much.

ambulance chasers are not in to taking risks.

they do not want to invest into something new.

they will only how up after someone else will have established the road to go.

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Not one person who didn’t get the vax, regrets that decision. Compare that number to those with buyer’s remorse☠️

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while true, this is also a bit of a tautology, no?

anyone who did not get the vaxx and regretted it could easily go get it.

but no one can unget it.

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Good slogans and memes make you think, really good ones make you start doing the calculations and logic

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Not really, because someone who refused the vax, then got Covid, might regret it.

I refused the vax, did get Covid in August 2021, did NOT regret my decision, however, and still don't.

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That is the point isn’t it. Injecting some untested, experimental brew into your body is a one-way endeavour. Not to be taken lightly. Rats exhibit neophobia to novel substances. A wait and see approach paid off with covid shots.

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I’m against the vax but this logic is a bit flawed: people who could potentially regret not getting the vax are the ones on the death bed from covid and it’s too late then. And for people who say it’s just rebranded flu - maybe, but it is a different type of flu with quite a few distinct symptoms (personal experience), and potentially a bio weapon

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This is so true. I'm curious as to how many people, if surveyed, would indicate that they regret taking the DIRT.

And that number would reflect people who know 1% of what we (folks on these Stacks') now know.

Could you imagine how many it would be if people had seen the evidence/data we've seen/followed?

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After a good walk spoiled we were 4 at dinner. 3 poisoned, me. not. Pretty good representation 75/25. To their utter shock through discussion of travel plans it developed that I had resisted. 1/3 said immediately "I wish I had not gotten it". I'd bet among a much larger sample that number would be closer to 50%. The strange thing was how any of these 3 close friends didn't know. One of them was close enough that I had been explicit with him prior to the shots being available for his age group. I am quite sure his wife was a driving factor due to MIL in dementia care.

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At least they didn't want you in a camp. Amazing what a year will change.

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