Thank God there are people (cats) such as you with explanatory skills willing to engage the data and be transparent enough to invite other experts to participate in your discussions and share data etc. In a sane world wouldn’t we have, like a weekly covid round table panel once a week and it would be on tv and the best scientists, experts, and reporters and cats could share their best thinking and their best questions in transparent fashion, publicly? Kind of the opposite of the way public health information is being handled. Keep up your important work and thank you.
3) Apparently all patients are asked whether or not they received the #CV19 vax, no matter what issue it is that brought them into the ER.
If the patient received the vax less than 14 days prior, they are recorded as "Un-Vaxxed"
4) The story the nurses are being given, is that this is done because the vax takes 14 days to start working. The FT ER nurse my wife talked to last night has a different theory:
5) It has been her observation that most patients coming in with what appears to be vaccine injuries are coming in within 72 hours of receiving the jab. By recording these patients as "Un-Vaxxed" they can do a few things:
6)
- one, they can claim those vax injuries are a result of Covid & not the shot
- two, they can bury the vaccine injury
- three, they get to claim there's a "pandemic of the unvaccinated"
Gato. You may have seen but if not Ethical Skeptic has gone in this direction. He found this signal, or alluded to it in his way. He has been silent for weeks but he may pick up for you.
Do you know how Israel counts people during the first 13 days after the first dose? The reason I am asking is because if there is a proven negative VE after the first dose, and this is the group that is counted as "unv-d" as is the case in the U.S. and I believe also in Canada, then it's a very interesting statistical circumstance.
Right, that's the fully v-d. Between the 14 days of the first dose and the 14 after the second dose people are considered partially v-d, according to the CDC. But prior to 14 days after the first or only dose, they are still considered unv-d.
I believe that anyone who isn't double-vaxxed + 13 days is considered unvaxxed in Israel. In a week or so, the unvaxxed may include double-vaxxed who haven't had the booster.
@RanIsraeli on twitter might be a good source of data.
There is a curious plateau in New York’s hospitalization data in the late winter and spring correlated to vaccination rollout. Some people said it was because vulnerable people were eligible first so they came to vax sites which became super spreader events but this was never studied in the interest of pushing vaccines. Anyways it is here https://forward.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary-region
vaxx percent among nys blacks and latino's is very low 14% and 21% two doses.
for what it is worth nys deaths decoupled from hosp and cases and has been very low since the horror of spring 2020. will watch now that aoc and here crew are wanderng around sans mask at the met.
Worth looking SE Asia - Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand, the Philippines, to a lesser extent Indonesia. The first 3 particularly were fine before vaccination started. May just be chance but is suspicious. Viet Nam are vaccinating huge numbers so they should be seeing considerable adverse events.
The complete undoing of the protective effect of being a country that's part of Oceania immediately following vax rollout is highly suspect. So many of them who avoided 2020 cases exploded in 2021.
i googled uk...... started vaxxing (two dose mostly azn) jan 2021, 7 day smoothed spike deaths ~25 Jan 2021, steady decline of 7 day deaths through late aug when i see slight uptick may be season surge beginning. by 14 aug uk at 60% two dose and 70% one dose..... slope leveled off late june.
may be azn does not adversely affect immune system? may be moderna with larger dosing better than pfizer with their in at fda.
I saw this tweet yesterday from Gal G. She claims Dominica vaccinated with AZ beginning in Feb 2021 and reaching a peak in April. Then in August the received 5.5 million doses of Pfizer. There was no increase in death for AZ, but a prominent spike in August with Pfizer.
i did same eye ball for texas, their steepest vaccine uptake was mar to apr 2021. their 7 day smoothed death rate declined (enjoyed the season, from winter surge not seen in 2020) that period.
troubling is tx summer surge, looks to be same death amplitude, a bit later and we are not on the down side enough.
see no difference in deaths with a 49% two dose and 58% one dose.
Excellent stuff, as always, gato. Thanks for the analysis.
A further confounding factor relates to those who already had natural immunity and were subsequently vaccinated. With a primed immune system they would (theoretically) be at lower risk for infection during a period of relative immune suppression from a covid vaccine. Now, that is completely theoretical, but I would love to see data on this. If there is merit to my thesis, then the vaccines are actually causing more morbidity and mortality than the data suggest. In such a case, prior illness would be masking this window of susceptibility and lowering the numbers artificially.
Anecdotally, I have seen several patients get covid between doses but none who had prior documented infection.
Where does it say in that study there was a negative VE in the seven days after first dose?
All I read is 'no effect in LTCF and 17% in HCW'. I'm no data analyst or statistician in fact I'm almost innumerate let me hasten to say. But just asking for clarity?
And what about those figures for covid: 488 in LTCF and 5,663 in HCW I think it was, in the unvaccinated but only 57 and 52 in the vaccinated? Did I read that right?
It would help me a lot to get clarification on this. If I"m clear then I can spread the word. If I attempt to do it when unsure of my ground I prejudice my chances and in fact spread the wrong message.
Hi ! I and my wife (PhD molecular cell biologi) have noticed the same big short term effect in over 10 countries where infection fatality rate (IFR) has increased on average very roughly 100 % or more when massvaccination has begun or accelerated. The number of infections has increased rapidly as well but not as fast as IFR. We have extremele interesing examples in Israel July 30 - Aug 8 when half a million 60+ received booster jabs, and Vietnam starting July 28 when massvaccinaion began in Hanoi. We have an immunology theory of imbalance which might explain why especially the risk group of elderly are vulnerable IF THEY HAVE A LATENT COVID-19 INFECTION when they are vaccinated or get infected within a few days. Interestingly there was published an Israeli study about the booster Sept 15 in NEJM. But they "forgot" all the deaths. More about that inmy BMJ "rapid response" https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2297/rapid-responses
"The number of infections has increased rapidly as well but not as fast as IFR." No I meant not as nearly as fast as number of deaths that increased from 1-2 per day per weekly average to about 17 per day per weekly average during July 30 - Aug 26.
Hi, I wish to point you in the direction of some promising data:
In Slovenia (about 50% population "fully vaccinated"), we entered a new "wave" of infections at the end of the July. Not a record breaking wave so far like in Israel or Iceland but a clear one nonetheless.
A week ago, the goverment decided to mandate a Covid passport scheme quite similar to Israel, for basically everything, including work. Starting from last Wednesday you can't even fill up your car at a gas station if you arent't vaccinated or had a (paid) test!
So the blatant point of it all, as all tests are not free anymore as well, is pushing the vaccination rate higher as that is politically desirable, and to some degree they have succeded ... for a week. Before these extreme measures (before the week starting 13th September), you had, for about two running months, about 5-6k vaxx doses (1st + 2nd) administered daily, i.e. total stagnation and little interest from the general population.
Then some people got scared of their impending social exclusion and these restrictive "measures" drove the vaxx rate to about 15k doses daily (rolling 7-day average on 19th September). And BOOM, yesterday, daily deaths went up by 4x as well! It's quite uncanny.
I have an anecdotal story of my father in law. He received his first moderna shot and developed covid 5 days later. 10 days after that, his fever broke for good. 12 days after first shot, he became more weak and lethargic. On day 14 he had a heart attack on the way to the hospital and died before getting to the hospital. This all happened in the last month during the "peak" here in NC.
Prayers to your family. I wonder if your father-in-law is categorized as part of the 98% "un-vaccinated" since he never reached 2 weeks beyond his 2nd Moderna shot.
When a vaccine death occurs, the patient exhibits COVID like symptoms, when they use a 40 cycle PCR test to confirm COVID they of course find it, and its treated as a COVID death. If this occurs within 14 days of getting vaccinated, its considered an unvaccinated COVID death.
Thank God there are people (cats) such as you with explanatory skills willing to engage the data and be transparent enough to invite other experts to participate in your discussions and share data etc. In a sane world wouldn’t we have, like a weekly covid round table panel once a week and it would be on tv and the best scientists, experts, and reporters and cats could share their best thinking and their best questions in transparent fashion, publicly? Kind of the opposite of the way public health information is being handled. Keep up your important work and thank you.
Tweets like these make me wonder if it's vax injury:
https://twitter.com/AxelSavage4/status/1437624425281511429
https://twitter.com/Zieleds/status/1437752904811646981
@AxelSavage4
Sep 13
3) Apparently all patients are asked whether or not they received the #CV19 vax, no matter what issue it is that brought them into the ER.
If the patient received the vax less than 14 days prior, they are recorded as "Un-Vaxxed"
4) The story the nurses are being given, is that this is done because the vax takes 14 days to start working. The FT ER nurse my wife talked to last night has a different theory:
5) It has been her observation that most patients coming in with what appears to be vaccine injuries are coming in within 72 hours of receiving the jab. By recording these patients as "Un-Vaxxed" they can do a few things:
6)
- one, they can claim those vax injuries are a result of Covid & not the shot
- two, they can bury the vaccine injury
- three, they get to claim there's a "pandemic of the unvaccinated"
This is exactly what is happening.
Gato. You may have seen but if not Ethical Skeptic has gone in this direction. He found this signal, or alluded to it in his way. He has been silent for weeks but he may pick up for you.
we're friends and stay in touch.
gato, tes has not updated his web page in weeks either..... sort of worried??
He's very intermittent, his day job can keep him extremely busy.
That's what my optimistic side told me. "He's busy strategizing worldly affairs!" At least it's what I hope.
Do you know how Israel counts people during the first 13 days after the first dose? The reason I am asking is because if there is a proven negative VE after the first dose, and this is the group that is counted as "unv-d" as is the case in the U.S. and I believe also in Canada, then it's a very interesting statistical circumstance.
About definitions: https://tessa.substack.com/p/unvaxxed
pretty sure almost everyone is using dose 2 +7 days as the start of "fully vaccinated."
it's a gigantic data manipulation
How could you distinguish vaccine injury/deaths from COVID deaths with these definitions? And there are medical people claiming fraud is occurring.
Medicine is completely weaponized for political revenge.
2 weeks after final dose (per CDC) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html
Right, that's the fully v-d. Between the 14 days of the first dose and the 14 after the second dose people are considered partially v-d, according to the CDC. But prior to 14 days after the first or only dose, they are still considered unv-d.
Thank you (and also for your magnificent work)!
I believe that anyone who isn't double-vaxxed + 13 days is considered unvaxxed in Israel. In a week or so, the unvaxxed may include double-vaxxed who haven't had the booster.
@RanIsraeli on twitter might be a good source of data.
Thank you!
There is a curious plateau in New York’s hospitalization data in the late winter and spring correlated to vaccination rollout. Some people said it was because vulnerable people were eligible first so they came to vax sites which became super spreader events but this was never studied in the interest of pushing vaccines. Anyways it is here https://forward.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary-region
vaxx percent among nys blacks and latino's is very low 14% and 21% two doses.
for what it is worth nys deaths decoupled from hosp and cases and has been very low since the horror of spring 2020. will watch now that aoc and here crew are wanderng around sans mask at the met.
The masks don't help.
i am confused; are you talking about total mortality or about covid deaths here?
why not look at the long list of countries that had nearly no covid mortality until...
Mathew Crawford suggests that the vaccines are directly killing people:
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/estimating-vaccine-induced-mortality
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/estimating-vaccine-induced-mortality-e07
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/probable-misclassification-of-vaccine
There’s this. The link to the FB post is still there. https://thedcpatriot.com/facebook-post-accidentally-reveals-more-people-are-being-killed-by-the-vaccine-than-the-media-is-letting-on/
Worth looking SE Asia - Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand, the Philippines, to a lesser extent Indonesia. The first 3 particularly were fine before vaccination started. May just be chance but is suspicious. Viet Nam are vaccinating huge numbers so they should be seeing considerable adverse events.
The complete undoing of the protective effect of being a country that's part of Oceania immediately following vax rollout is highly suspect. So many of them who avoided 2020 cases exploded in 2021.
i googled uk...... started vaxxing (two dose mostly azn) jan 2021, 7 day smoothed spike deaths ~25 Jan 2021, steady decline of 7 day deaths through late aug when i see slight uptick may be season surge beginning. by 14 aug uk at 60% two dose and 70% one dose..... slope leveled off late june.
may be azn does not adversely affect immune system? may be moderna with larger dosing better than pfizer with their in at fda.
i did florida; the steepest vaxx uptake was mar - apr. they are 55% two dose and 65 one dose.
fl deaths went down usual in spring, but summer surge is later, a lot more cases and deaths much higher amplitude than 2020 summer surge.
just looking at vaxx i see no improvement with the vaxx campaign. may be huger penetration of virus which may be a vaxx effect???
ivermectin has less derogatory information on it than vaxxes......
I saw this tweet yesterday from Gal G. She claims Dominica vaccinated with AZ beginning in Feb 2021 and reaching a peak in April. Then in August the received 5.5 million doses of Pfizer. There was no increase in death for AZ, but a prominent spike in August with Pfizer.
https://twitter.com/GalG____/status/1438148277271207938?s=19
i did same eye ball for texas, their steepest vaccine uptake was mar to apr 2021. their 7 day smoothed death rate declined (enjoyed the season, from winter surge not seen in 2020) that period.
troubling is tx summer surge, looks to be same death amplitude, a bit later and we are not on the down side enough.
see no difference in deaths with a 49% two dose and 58% one dose.
presume old frail are not hesitant.....
Excellent stuff, as always, gato. Thanks for the analysis.
A further confounding factor relates to those who already had natural immunity and were subsequently vaccinated. With a primed immune system they would (theoretically) be at lower risk for infection during a period of relative immune suppression from a covid vaccine. Now, that is completely theoretical, but I would love to see data on this. If there is merit to my thesis, then the vaccines are actually causing more morbidity and mortality than the data suggest. In such a case, prior illness would be masking this window of susceptibility and lowering the numbers artificially.
Anecdotally, I have seen several patients get covid between doses but none who had prior documented infection.
Any thoughts?
Where does it say in that study there was a negative VE in the seven days after first dose?
All I read is 'no effect in LTCF and 17% in HCW'. I'm no data analyst or statistician in fact I'm almost innumerate let me hasten to say. But just asking for clarity?
And what about those figures for covid: 488 in LTCF and 5,663 in HCW I think it was, in the unvaccinated but only 57 and 52 in the vaccinated? Did I read that right?
It would help me a lot to get clarification on this. If I"m clear then I can spread the word. If I attempt to do it when unsure of my ground I prejudice my chances and in fact spread the wrong message.
Hi ! I and my wife (PhD molecular cell biologi) have noticed the same big short term effect in over 10 countries where infection fatality rate (IFR) has increased on average very roughly 100 % or more when massvaccination has begun or accelerated. The number of infections has increased rapidly as well but not as fast as IFR. We have extremele interesing examples in Israel July 30 - Aug 8 when half a million 60+ received booster jabs, and Vietnam starting July 28 when massvaccinaion began in Hanoi. We have an immunology theory of imbalance which might explain why especially the risk group of elderly are vulnerable IF THEY HAVE A LATENT COVID-19 INFECTION when they are vaccinated or get infected within a few days. Interestingly there was published an Israeli study about the booster Sept 15 in NEJM. But they "forgot" all the deaths. More about that inmy BMJ "rapid response" https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2297/rapid-responses
"The number of infections has increased rapidly as well but not as fast as IFR." No I meant not as nearly as fast as number of deaths that increased from 1-2 per day per weekly average to about 17 per day per weekly average during July 30 - Aug 26.
Hi, I wish to point you in the direction of some promising data:
In Slovenia (about 50% population "fully vaccinated"), we entered a new "wave" of infections at the end of the July. Not a record breaking wave so far like in Israel or Iceland but a clear one nonetheless.
A week ago, the goverment decided to mandate a Covid passport scheme quite similar to Israel, for basically everything, including work. Starting from last Wednesday you can't even fill up your car at a gas station if you arent't vaccinated or had a (paid) test!
So the blatant point of it all, as all tests are not free anymore as well, is pushing the vaccination rate higher as that is politically desirable, and to some degree they have succeded ... for a week. Before these extreme measures (before the week starting 13th September), you had, for about two running months, about 5-6k vaxx doses (1st + 2nd) administered daily, i.e. total stagnation and little interest from the general population.
Then some people got scared of their impending social exclusion and these restrictive "measures" drove the vaxx rate to about 15k doses daily (rolling 7-day average on 19th September). And BOOM, yesterday, daily deaths went up by 4x as well! It's quite uncanny.
I hastily put together a low-quality picture to summarize the situation: https://imgur.com/a/VcNMyT8
I predict that since the vaxx drive is losing steam, deaths will soon fall, faster than a fall in cases would suggest.
Source of overlaid graphs is our national Covid tracker. Run by a vaxxer NGO with data from the government: https://covid-19.sledilnik.org/en/stats
I have an anecdotal story of my father in law. He received his first moderna shot and developed covid 5 days later. 10 days after that, his fever broke for good. 12 days after first shot, he became more weak and lethargic. On day 14 he had a heart attack on the way to the hospital and died before getting to the hospital. This all happened in the last month during the "peak" here in NC.
So sorry to hear about your dad.
I'm really sorry about your dad.
*12 days from symptom onset, not first shot.
Prayers to your family. I wonder if your father-in-law is categorized as part of the 98% "un-vaccinated" since he never reached 2 weeks beyond his 2nd Moderna shot.
I don't know for certain but I had read that that was the standard policy for those deaths.
So you’re saying we’re chumming the water? I’ll see myself out.
I'll play you out!
The vaccines are killing people.
When a vaccine death occurs, the patient exhibits COVID like symptoms, when they use a 40 cycle PCR test to confirm COVID they of course find it, and its treated as a COVID death. If this occurs within 14 days of getting vaccinated, its considered an unvaccinated COVID death.