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Corey's avatar

I have been living in Mexico for ten years (American expatriate). Un-vaxxed and never tested. You have considerably more individual freedom here than in the United States. The main reason for that is lack of government. The central government is weak, and the state and local governments barely function at all. The roads are more-or-less paved, and if you call 911 a fire truck eventually shows up, but other than that the government doesn't do much. There's just no money. And there is no greater threat to personal liberty than a well-funded government.

There were no vaccine mandates here in Mexico, that I know of. I think some of the universities required vaccinations to return to classes, but those students that opted out could simply continue their studies remotely / on-line. There certainly was none of the coercion here like there was in the United States. I also did not see nearly the level of panic here that I saw in the United States. And there was never any question of the government forcibly vaccinating people. The government is far too poor and weak for that, and the Mexican people would not go for it anyway. The Mexicans do not trust their government or their institutions to begin with, except for possibly the navy (which has a good reputation). The government's approach seems to be to leave health policies up to the individual states, make the vaccine available if people want it, and get on with life. I rarely hear anyone discussing covid or talking about vaccines. It's just not part of the daily dialogue. I did drive past a vaccination site this past Saturday and saw there was a large group of people queued up to get jabbed. And there a few advertisements here and there bleating, "Vacunate! Para ella!" (get vaccinated! for her!) showing a young person with a grandmother. So Mexico is definitely on-board with the covid/vax scam but the campaign seems to be in low gear, at least compared to the United States. Good luck.

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shibumi's avatar

The "get vaxxinated for the elderly" is a STRONG motivation here. I know a number of people who keep getting boosted so they don't infect their elderly parent.

Here's the catch: if your elderly parent is vaxxed, they can still catch and spread c0vid. If YOU are vaxxed, you can still catch and spread c0vid. If you are unvaxxed, you can still catch and spread c0vid. So the benefit of vaxxing is what again?

Oh yea. "It wasn't as bad."

Riiiight.

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Paul Lowery's avatar

The vaxx is an excellent opportunity to die of adverse reaction for your health.

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The Word Herder's avatar

It's not a "vaxx." Just sayin. :)

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The Word Herder's avatar

How exactly does one "catch or spread" a bioweapon or 5G pulses? Okay, you could BREATHE a bioweapon, or get one in your water, maybe, or eat it in tainted food, etc. but...

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shibumi's avatar

I simply meant that I believe that c0vid19 was engineered in a lab, probably for nefarious purposes. That would mean it's a bioweapon.

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The Word Herder's avatar

The thing won't take me back to my comment, but I agree with you on that! Sorry if I misunderstood you. SARS COV II is patented. In my mind, there NO other reason for that unless it's Gain-of-Function. Maybe it's meant to be kind of mild, unless it's "activated" by EMF's, like 5G... this is something dancing through my brain, I don't know. But if they'd loosed a really bad bio-weapon on us, it might have tipped us off too soon... I know they've put a lot of planning into this... Anyway, cheers.

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rjt's avatar

There is some evidence for spike protein shedding,I don't have the references now.

Why would you invent a bioweapon which was not capable of spreading by shedding?

I haven't figured out how to generate 5G pulses yet, but there are sufficient from the cell towers that I have not worried about autogeneration.

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shibumi's avatar

Two part bioweapon: covid and the vaxx.

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The Word Herder's avatar

And the third, EMF's.

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The Word Herder's avatar

It seems the EMF's, not just 5G, but any EMF, causes the metals in the jabs to sort of "assemble" and when they do, it somehow makes them sort of shred the insides of the blood vessels... Nice, eh? I have no knowledge of "autogeneration," but EMF's alone can feel like a case of the flu... There's also something causing a lot of weird clotting, long bits of white, plastic-looking substance pulled out of the blood vessels of corpses... Pretty freakin hideous.

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UK refugee's avatar

Yes family super important and multigenerational living the norm. Certainly the kinniving way to do it there.

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Becoming the Rainbow's avatar

I live in Ensenada, Baja California. Like you, Corey, my impression is that people just aren't making Covid a super big deal here. Masks are no longer required anywhere. It used to be that you had to mask up to enter businesses. Machine temperature checks and hand sanitizer were everywhere. The government must have changed the risk assessment because that stuff is going away. Nobody here asks my vaxx status and I don't think I'd get hit with a tidalwave of judgement if they knew I was unvaxxed.

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Peregrine's avatar

Mark my words: there will come a time when your unvaxxxed status will deem you a very wise person.

And an alive human.

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Peregrine's avatar

I live in a similar country, but the gubmint did institute lockdowns, curfews, and forced vaxxxes for anyone going to ANY public space, like a grocery store. The only exception was a 3-day PCR which costs $85 here. $85 to go shop for food!

That said, they have recently done away with mandates, and nobody is getting vaxxxxed or boosted. There are supposedly millions of doses that expire in October.

We are not vaxxxed and want to visit, and eventually move back to my lifetime home state of FL. I am a US citizen so the Feebs vaxxx mandate exempts me. My wife is not vaxxxxed. Based on numerous unvaxxxed friends and family who have successfully traveled to the states since the mandate we will give a trip a try.

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Flo's avatar

They have vax or testing mandates for entry into some European countries such as Portugal but nobody there gives a shit, nothing is ever checked. Same in Italy, we all got tested but nobody at the airport checked anything.

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Flo's avatar

The German government was well funded since about 1960 due to high taxes and a strong economy. Personal freedom was very good until recently. The government pretty much left me alone throughout the first 40 years of my life, besides a mandate for kids to go to school for exactly 10 years, which I agree with. Parents could choose between state or private schools of many different varieties, lots of choices. No vaccine mandates existed at all until a measles shot mandate a few years ago. I always had good experiences with local government when I needed passports, driver license or some other document. The police was usually rather nice and not scary at all, everyone called them "friend and helper in green" (green uniforms), punishments were usually quite benign, you really had to fuck up badly and be a repeat offender to go to jail at all. I got caught with drugs repeatedly and charges were always dropped because of "no public interest to pursue an individual user". They basically just confiscated my stash and that was it, no entry into my criminal records. German government wasn't perfect but it worked well enough and left its citizens alone besides tax collection.

I am saying this because the funding doesn't seem the issue. People in Denmark and Finland are extremely happy with their governments and those governments are the best funded governments on earth. It is governments going crazy that is the problem.

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UK refugee's avatar

This mirrors almost exactly my experience in the UK. I didn't even care to vote for 40 years, feeling I could affect my life better by spending the deliberation and voting time on myself, my career, etc. Voter apathy was real and increasing... maybe that was one of the contributing factors in all this?! It'd be terrible if we suffered just because the media and government wanted more attention.

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The Word Herder's avatar

I am deeply suspicious of anyone who does or feels they should be able to trust the government-- ANY government. Those two words simply do not belong together.

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I am not your Other's avatar

Thanks for the info. They’re going to have to seal the reverse border crossing.

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Datagal's avatar

Like!

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libertate's avatar

Jalisco has a jab mandate to enter restaurants, bars, etc. but the last time I was in Chapala a few months ago it was not at all enforced. Not sure if it is still in effect.

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UK refugee's avatar

I went all over Mexico March April...

Yucatan

(Cancun etc.) Mask Nazis, shouted at at reception and restaurant. Poolside athletics all masked. Chin strapping picked up on instantly.

Tulum, more chilled, shops had a word but no shouting, hotel didn't enforce in reception, but did at restaurants, chin strapped was adequate. Temp check at 5star hotel restaurant.

Mexico City outdoor almost 95%+ compliance, they loved masks there.

Chihuahua, pretty laid back. Walmart entry got a temp check.

Chapala (Guadalajara) - not even locals wearing masks in seven eleven. Felt refreshing.

California Baja Sur. Mixed, fairly relaxed.

So the jabs might not go mandatory there, but masks ARE and NO Exceptions. In the UK I never wore a mask anywhere except trip to my transplant outpatients, cos I didn't want to scare the scared and wasn't worth the battle.

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libertate's avatar

I have family in Ajijic and although most restaurants insisted on the ridiculous "mask up while walking to your table" nonsense, the only true covidian fanatics were the leftist gringos that have infested the place.

Chapala was the best. Had a killer seafood molcajete and not a mask in sight.

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