i am just a kitten and not a big important member of SAGE like miss christina, but if you guys fall for a “10 day circuit breaker” after the way “two weeks to flatten the curve” worked out, cats are literally going to go teach racoons how to open tuna cans for us.
having staff as gullible as humans would just be too embarrassing.
I'm getting real tired of this "circuit breaker" analogy. First off, it's bullshit. You don't shut down and restart an entire country like flipping a switch. Second, I'm an electrician and I can tell you one does not simply shut off a circuit without very careful consideration of what impact it will have.
You best believe that the NHS have considered the impact of another 10-day circuit break with the utmost care and consideration; and they are just dying to see the desired result come to fruition.
At what point do we all understand that getting Covid, even the original version not the lightweight version Omicron, does not have people dropping dead in the street?
Let's not forget the fake Chinese propaganda videos from March 2020 of government actors falling down instantly next to other government actors in bunny suits on the street, but still putting their hands out to break their fall.
In the NBA, if a player is quarantined due to a positive "test", he'll not be able to return to action until he has two consecutive negative tests taken within 24 hours of each other AND he clears a CARDIAC SCREENING.
Of course, I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorists. So, I'm sure I'm reading far more into this than is warranted.
I was thinking earlier around both your original post and this. There’s been a couple of premier league and European football matches cancelled due to outbreaks in teams and the reporting is “oh no, last thing they wanted was to have to reschedule a game, busy time over Christmas blah blah”, not “I hope these guys are going’s to be ok, what with the new super variant that’s going around “. Then on the other hand, there was another one that went off clutching his chest last weekend and the reaction is “terrible to see I hope he’s going to be ok” and then move on and talk about the game, rather than “wtf is going on here this is getting to be way more than a coincidence now”. When Christian Erickson collapsed in the euros it was all they talked about for a couple of days. It just strikes me as odd and may be more to do with it being sports reporting than anything, but they seem to accept that getting covid isn’t necessary a big deal, and ignore what’s actually quite a big deal regarding the health of the players. It’s happening in the lower leagues too.
Interesting article here about Sergio Aquero, written before he announced his retirement today
The doctor says one thing I thought all along, even with Erickson. At this level, they’re some of the most tested athletes there are, there’s no way an underlying heart condition could get through all of that. He was only at Barcelona for 6 months and would have undergone a barrage of tests before signing.
Contrast with road cycling, which is a hell of a tough sport on the heart, and I’ve not heard of anything in that sport except 1 guy possibly, and one who had to retire after getting covid, so pretty even there
I’m with you yes. it’s the machine feeding itself again though. We have to have sports reports between 6am and 8 am at 25 minutes past the hour Monday to Friday. In the first lockdown I’d laugh out loud listening to the sports slot on the morning news talking about how there was no sport. Anywhere. In the world. But hey, we have a schedule
The response I inevitably get is that if we had not (insert your own favourite useless strategy: masked up, got jabbed, locked down, etc) then we WOULD see things so much worse. Impossible to argue, even with the excellent comparative studies that we have seen recently. Because the fear mongering has done its job.
"sheer numbers will outweigh severity". That's academic logic for you. "This illness doesn't make you sick but it infects so many people that we need to lock down!" Not only is that moronic on its face, but it actually prevents natural immunization. How dumb do you have to be to buy this crap?
Whatever happened to having a cold and just eating some broth and drinking some water? I mean, mild symptoms of anything never warranted a trip to the emergency room did it? Now we go rushing to the hospital if we have a headache and a runny nose? WOW.
I am pretty sure it can happen. My last cold was when my 6-month old grandson dribbled on me....and now he's a sophomore in college. I am having a hard time getting too excited over Covid, despite all the efforts of the scare-mongers (and all the stories about people who were "so healthy" and died anyway!
Well, that's something each person has to work out for himself. For gawd's sake don't give anyone the idea that THEY can decide whether YOU are healthy or not... next thing you know, they'll be making the declaration FOR you.
That is exactly what doctors do. You go to the doc for one thing and they measure 20 other and want to prescribe you at least a few rounds of antibiotics. I thought this was american way, but it turns out docs in Europe do it too now. Dad just told me that the yearly bloodwork they have now, should be done twice yearly, at their cost of course. No thanks. I will decide when I am sick. PS all the statistics they handle are just that - they do not talk about you but about the average person. Neither of us is.
I've just "remembered" a cold. Nasty head cold for a few days after 2 years of nothing since mild Covid March 2020. I've taken 2 negative LFT's to pacify a few people who assume it must be The Virus. I remind them that other viruses are available!
I've heard that 6% die of those hospitalised for a common cold - unusual I know, but happens. We normally cope well with the common cold (a coronavirus) but when we don't it's more serious than Covid.
And whatever you do, don't take any of that awful poison Ivermectin! We want you near death when you show back up here, so we can hook you up to a vent for $20K/day for the three months until you die.
I heard it while watching the Texas Global Covid Summit supposedly from Dr Ryan Cole, but I also read in RFK Jr.'s Fauci book that it's what nurses call remdesivir, so I don't know who coined it originally.
It's interesting, but many of the largest "healthcare" systems in the US don't even want to *see* you in the hospital if you have or believe you have COVID. For example John Muir out of California (I believe the largest in the state) is not seeing COVID-possible patients and we're 2 years into this nonsense!!!
Pretty dumb, I think. Does anyone have a count of how many people per day/week/year contract and live through the common cold? Yeah, I didn't think so. THAT is how we need to be looking at this O-Moron virus.
Totally right. Many people do, and a neglected cold can become bronchitis or pneumonia and many people die every year from it. Common colds can be coronaviruses and I think we can now list this one as a common cold, too, and stop the masquerade. I like your renaming. OMoron !
I think that most people who have a cold can determine when it has gotten out of hand and is turning into bronchitis or pneumonia. We're really not so stupid.
Exactly. I've had lung issues my whole life and I know when it's time to get some help. But now, I would rather stick my head in a bucket of Vicks than go get "help" in one of these chopping blocks posing as doctor's offices/hospitals.
I had an interesting experience a few months ago. The nurse there was trying to scare me saying that I could have lost my life cycling up to the docs and that I had to call my wife to take me to the hospital. Which I did, while being a little cynical as I actually felt quite fine while the nurse was trying very hard to panic me. At hospital nurses there were saying 'you're fine, this is nothing to worry about'. Eventually seen by a great nurse who told the doctor to go away and who listened to me and then said 'you're fine' and there's nothing wrong with you and gave me a 'terrain theory' way of dealing with the issue and explanation. I wonder what would have happened if I'd let the Salvation Army style nurse at the docs rooms get me admitted.
I live in Florida but listen to a classical radio station from London. The Brits are so weird with their NHS. All through 2020 I hear ads telling sick Brits to "stay home, protect the NHS". Bizarre when you consider its the UK taxpayers who fund the NHS. If you can't use it when you are sick, when can you?!!! The population seemed to have obeyed as there was an uptick in heart attacks, stillborns, etc.
Yes, that really is a special degree of dumbness. Hell I almost was one and saved myself at the last minute. I honestly looked around me one day during my postdoc and said, "holy shit - I hate these people. I loathe their big fish in tiny useless ponds mentalities. I despise their desire to obtain tenure at any cost so they can sit on their asses the rest of their lives and wallow in self-adulation. I hate these institutions and their money-grubbing for grants." Left and got a job in finance.
Logistically, how would this work? Everything stops? Everything? No food deliveries can be done, no babies can be born, no work of any kind can be done outside the home, no one can go to the store to buy food, no one at SAGE can go hump their mistresses?
If these screaming Mimis want to stay home and starve themselves of food and human interactions, do it. The rest of us are going to live our lives.
I'd rather decide for myself my level of risk and get sick and die than live in the dystopian hellscape people like this *witch* are eagerly trying to create. Let those who aren't scared live their lives and those that are scared hide in their homes. I don't have anything against someone who wants to lock themselves down, but I'll be darned if I'm going to let someone who is scared decide what my risk is for anything. I've had enough.
Obviously no greater threat than the incredibly mild Omicron variant infecting us all and developing population wide, long lasting, robust immunity. That will flatten the curve for booster jabs and who can live with that tragic outcome?
You mean this is new? Again 10 days to flatten the curve? I thought that was 20 months ago? LOL how many times are they going to flatten the curve? And from what? A sickness no one knows they got? A common cold? An asymptomatic sickness? A chimera?
If the demand for hospital beds is going to rise, how about arranging for the supply of hospital beds to increase? Of course, that would mean that you couldn’t fire medical staff for refusing the jab. But, maybe you shouldn’t do that anyway. Just sayin’.
For non-UK readers: “Independent SAGE” is a self-appointed agitation group that indulges in out-doing the zaniness of the government. With the Rotund Albino Charlatan in charge, that is no small task.
The language is so reminiscent of scam artistry, even apart from the pseudoscientific foundations. The use of jargon that is ridiculous and unnecessary ("circuit-breaker" as opposed to what other kind of lockdown? they've always sold it this way), the combination of firm promises that appeal to shared values (just 10 days, it's to protect Christmas, it's to protect the NHS) ... but not without with huge asterisks (reassess at Christmas), reflecting the belief of the scammer (a well-founded one!) that they are going to piss people off when they reveal the swindle. "I TOLD you in the fine print that I was scamming you".
BTW, why are they so obsessed with doing it now? Is there really some kind of ultra-precise model that gives us such an exact prediction? No. Measurement error, problems with model specification, endless ways to correct for heteroskedasticity and non-linearity that produce different results, etc. -- and to say nothing of the fact that throughout the world there were huge death spikes in the midst of harsh lockdowns, such as in Canada, Chile, Peru, Colombia, and the UK for that matter. (I am a PhD candidate finishing my diss. in, let's say to protect my identity, applied social statistics; no one takes this kind of Potemkin Village science seriously. Yes, we all see it in journals, but everyone knows that it is bogus).
So, why? Because if there's no disaster and there's no restrictions, they likely lose their last shred of credibility.
Why right now? Because when they say it's working and must be extended through New Year's, they'll make everybody absolutely miserable, and the normal holiday suicides will quadruple, and the demon-beings that run this shit-show will have everything they wanted for Christmas...
Exactly. While everyone is miserable they go to the Cayman Islands on vacation, the whole beach to themselves because no one dares to travel, they can stay 3 or 4 weeks now and they will surely use the public's money to do that
Great analysis. They are doing exactly what every school board shrieking banshee did right before the school year started. Demanding the continuation of every possible restriction because they were worried that when the children returned to school, that there would be no cold-pocalypse, and all their past abuses would be exposed as completely unnecessary.
Here's a question: if there had never been variants Alpha through whatever came before OMyGodCron -- if this version were the initial novel virus -- would anyone have even noticed that there *was* a novel virus circulating? A virus that causes serious disease in virtually no one? Why would we have even been looking? We wouldn't. Yet because it appears after two years of neurotic panic attacks, it's going to destroy civilization as we know it.
This is quite a curve, or perhaps we should call it a plateau as it's been pretty constant since inception by the High Priest guru of all gurus, Neil Ferguson. And he has gotten everything right so far (am I right?) with the amateur model he obviously created on his kitchen table after a bottle of red in the company of his lover (who complied with all travel restrictions in perambulating her self across London to elope). Like the poisoned dwarf, Fauci, why does anyone with 2 brain cells or more, bother with these people? It's equivalent question is "What is the meaning of life....?"
This is happening now in CA! The “Karen’s” are out telling people to put on their masks while vaccine-injured Newsom is on vacation (after declaring an emergency)....I’m going to go crazy! I have to get out of CA!
Deep East Texas. Pine woods. Land prices have gone up a lot of late as folks flee Houston, Dallas, and California. But they started out rather low. Angelina County, Houston County, Trinity County. Good rainfall. Lots of bugs though.
Things are changing pretty fast. Any realtor can help you.
Ah yes Southeast Texas….will be going through Angelina Co. at New Year, to visit family. I’m from NORTH East Texas but don’t live there any more. Thanks! That is beautiful country.
Fellow Commiefornia deplorable here too. Born and raised. NOT the state I remember as a kitten. I so need to find a red state that embraces free-thinking, flag-waving, gun-toting free-thinkers!
Imagine being in America and saying: avoid your family through Christmas to save the NIH and/or CDC, and about 35% of the country will gleefully sign-on. U.K. is just several paces further down the socialist path where nothing short of a full civil collapse will rock them hard enough to extract themselves from collective ruin. The Anglosphere looking pretty pathetic right now. The Chinese are enjoying this spectacle. #NotOneShot
There are a few people I like as individuals, but I don't like humans as a species. Mostly primitive barbaric psychopaths in suits followed by dimwitted multitudes. I am a good and reliable tuna can opener and wisely ask my cats for their opinions to avoid making dumb mistakes in life.
I am sure cats and dogs think we are absolutely hopeless stupid. I am also sure they are way smarter than most humans. Just look at the face of a dog who wants a treat.
I am so grateful that we've had so many Phd's, Professors and people "smarter than us" to tell us what we needed to do over the last 2 years. Just imagine how much worse it would have been without them... ;-)
I'm so grateful that we have so many PhDs and professors and people "smarter than me" who have come out to explain the numbers and data to us and put themselves on the line. I greatly appreciate them all. 👍
I posted a few covid math memes the other day... The absolute best one imo is where anon proves covid travels at 99.7% the speed of light due to time dilation. What is 10 days in our time to something that travels so fast?
I'm joining the fray. I was just Deeply Concerned on the sidelines but now I'm 'this little authoritarian'. It must be the meow mix, or the toxoplasmosis..
But she is a professor and proven to be booksmart! Class let’s assume that there is a crisis and a wonderful opportunity for virtue signaling and career advancement.
I want to see the forest, but there are so many trees in the way.
The democratic West is being eviscerated to the advantage of tyrants. Lock down our societies over a disease that South African health workers affirm to be mild?
If this professor were a lighthouse, she would be a beacon announcing “here is the land of suicidal delusion and murderous mendacity.”
And the wrecks pile up on the rocks nonetheless.
People still go there.
They won’t stop until they have reduced the west to impotence and irrelevancy. Then what will stop the new power lords?
The worst part of sinking is the slow pace of the disaster.
People on the Titanic would have envied those who died in a sudden train wreck.
See Jordan Peterson clip on Utube of him answering JRE question on gain (of function) of benefit on slow pace of noose tightening: don't realize the lost rights if meted out slowly.
And he dresses the part, too! Didn't I see him in a lab coat inspecting a test tube? Didn't I recently see a photo of him dressed as a police officer? LOL!
Well, it is only 10 days and not 14 days like the original flatten the curve so instead of (14*10) days it should only be (10*10) days to circuit break. Phew, I was worried this might last > 100 days.
“Tegnell’s underlying argument is that Covid-19 isn’t going away any time soon, meaning sudden, severe lockdowns will ultimately prove ineffective in addressing the longer-term threat.”
It was clear from the outset to anyone rational that this virus would be with us for a long time and that any efforts to address it would need to be sustainable.
But lockdowns and school closures aren’t sustainable. They are so destructive that that they could only ever be very short-term measures which, for this virus, are useless and ephemeral.
Tragically, catastrophically and heroically, Tegnell was almost alone in defending Reason against the global tidal wave of irrational Covid hysteria.
Oh right is that why every GP surgery in the country will be closed for five days over Christmas. They must not be too worried anyone will get ill over Christmas. Oh wait, hang on, Chrissie is saying we are all going to die soon despite the fact deaths from covid are dropping like a stone. But let’s not let the facts get in the way. Let’s continue to use scaremongering tactics to what? God only knows. My step son and his scared wife have just cancelled our outing Christmas Eve. It was just to pizza express. They are scared. Of what, I have no idea. And there begins the end of every hospitality venue in the UK. Well done Boris, SAGE, Chrissie you have decimated small businesses and the hospitality industry. There won’t be a lot left by the time your done. Have a great Christmas Chrissie.
I've lost a lot of respect for humans during this (and it was thin enough to begin with). If today I was magically given the choice between having to be part of this species or be a cat and have to lick my rear end daily, well...
The hardest part about 10 days to flatten the curve is the first 20 months.
I'm getting real tired of this "circuit breaker" analogy. First off, it's bullshit. You don't shut down and restart an entire country like flipping a switch. Second, I'm an electrician and I can tell you one does not simply shut off a circuit without very careful consideration of what impact it will have.
Having spent over 40 years in the design/build/construction profession…I love what you said! 😉🔥
She's just complaining because the data points in her spreadsheet aren't agreeing with her on Twitter like they used to.
I hope my son can apprentice with you in seven years. You are brilliant.
You best believe that the NHS have considered the impact of another 10-day circuit break with the utmost care and consideration; and they are just dying to see the desired result come to fruition.
They know the effect. They go to parties, the proles get sick and die.
It’s moved on from last year’s ‘fire-break’ which didn’t work.
genius statement
Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us 126 times…never mind.
oh. hahahahahahaha!
At what point do we all understand that getting Covid, even the original version not the lightweight version Omicron, does not have people dropping dead in the street?
Maybe all that dropping in the street was people in covid vaccine trials.
Let's not forget the fake Chinese propaganda videos from March 2020 of government actors falling down instantly next to other government actors in bunny suits on the street, but still putting their hands out to break their fall.
The 'dead' people breaking their falls would have been hilarious if I didn't know what came next.
In March 2020 there have been fake videos that people were literally collapsing out of nowhere. Thanks to vaccines, this is now real!
Now THAT makes sense...dropping like well-conditioned young athletes on soccer fields.
In the NBA, if a player is quarantined due to a positive "test", he'll not be able to return to action until he has two consecutive negative tests taken within 24 hours of each other AND he clears a CARDIAC SCREENING.
Of course, I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorists. So, I'm sure I'm reading far more into this than is warranted.
I was thinking earlier around both your original post and this. There’s been a couple of premier league and European football matches cancelled due to outbreaks in teams and the reporting is “oh no, last thing they wanted was to have to reschedule a game, busy time over Christmas blah blah”, not “I hope these guys are going’s to be ok, what with the new super variant that’s going around “. Then on the other hand, there was another one that went off clutching his chest last weekend and the reaction is “terrible to see I hope he’s going to be ok” and then move on and talk about the game, rather than “wtf is going on here this is getting to be way more than a coincidence now”. When Christian Erickson collapsed in the euros it was all they talked about for a couple of days. It just strikes me as odd and may be more to do with it being sports reporting than anything, but they seem to accept that getting covid isn’t necessary a big deal, and ignore what’s actually quite a big deal regarding the health of the players. It’s happening in the lower leagues too.
Interesting article here about Sergio Aquero, written before he announced his retirement today
https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2021/11/02/61813aecca474150748b460c.html
The doctor says one thing I thought all along, even with Erickson. At this level, they’re some of the most tested athletes there are, there’s no way an underlying heart condition could get through all of that. He was only at Barcelona for 6 months and would have undergone a barrage of tests before signing.
Contrast with road cycling, which is a hell of a tough sport on the heart, and I’ve not heard of anything in that sport except 1 guy possibly, and one who had to retire after getting covid, so pretty even there
The announcers have been leaned on. They'd probably love to start talking about it. But you know, jobs...
I’m with you yes. it’s the machine feeding itself again though. We have to have sports reports between 6am and 8 am at 25 minutes past the hour Monday to Friday. In the first lockdown I’d laugh out loud listening to the sports slot on the morning news talking about how there was no sport. Anywhere. In the world. But hey, we have a schedule
The response I inevitably get is that if we had not (insert your own favourite useless strategy: masked up, got jabbed, locked down, etc) then we WOULD see things so much worse. Impossible to argue, even with the excellent comparative studies that we have seen recently. Because the fear mongering has done its job.
We always have Florida...
"sheer numbers will outweigh severity". That's academic logic for you. "This illness doesn't make you sick but it infects so many people that we need to lock down!" Not only is that moronic on its face, but it actually prevents natural immunization. How dumb do you have to be to buy this crap?
Whatever happened to having a cold and just eating some broth and drinking some water? I mean, mild symptoms of anything never warranted a trip to the emergency room did it? Now we go rushing to the hospital if we have a headache and a runny nose? WOW.
Remember when they said viruses could not be treated with drugs and to stay home, drink liquids and rest???
I sure do!
This happens when people are no longer used to having the least bit of anything ! They forgot how it is to have a cold for goodness sakes.
I am pretty sure it can happen. My last cold was when my 6-month old grandson dribbled on me....and now he's a sophomore in college. I am having a hard time getting too excited over Covid, despite all the efforts of the scare-mongers (and all the stories about people who were "so healthy" and died anyway!
At all depends on the definition of healthy. Some people say taking less than 10 pills a day is healthy !
Well, that's something each person has to work out for himself. For gawd's sake don't give anyone the idea that THEY can decide whether YOU are healthy or not... next thing you know, they'll be making the declaration FOR you.
That is exactly what doctors do. You go to the doc for one thing and they measure 20 other and want to prescribe you at least a few rounds of antibiotics. I thought this was american way, but it turns out docs in Europe do it too now. Dad just told me that the yearly bloodwork they have now, should be done twice yearly, at their cost of course. No thanks. I will decide when I am sick. PS all the statistics they handle are just that - they do not talk about you but about the average person. Neither of us is.
I've just "remembered" a cold. Nasty head cold for a few days after 2 years of nothing since mild Covid March 2020. I've taken 2 negative LFT's to pacify a few people who assume it must be The Virus. I remind them that other viruses are available!
Yeah! And a cold can make you really, really sick. People are just nuts.
I've heard that 6% die of those hospitalised for a common cold - unusual I know, but happens. We normally cope well with the common cold (a coronavirus) but when we don't it's more serious than Covid.
Now you run to the hospital, and if you have covid they tell you to go home and eat some broth and drink plenty of water.........
And whatever you do, don't take any of that awful poison Ivermectin! We want you near death when you show back up here, so we can hook you up to a vent for $20K/day for the three months until you die.
You forgot to add the run!deathisnear drug and the $39k hospitals get for each person they put on a vent. 😒
Ha! That's a good one; had not heard it before.
"the run!deathisnear drug"
I heard it while watching the Texas Global Covid Summit supposedly from Dr Ryan Cole, but I also read in RFK Jr.'s Fauci book that it's what nurses call remdesivir, so I don't know who coined it originally.
It's interesting, but many of the largest "healthcare" systems in the US don't even want to *see* you in the hospital if you have or believe you have COVID. For example John Muir out of California (I believe the largest in the state) is not seeing COVID-possible patients and we're 2 years into this nonsense!!!
I so wanna tell them about bubble wrap. It can even protect from a virus if wrapped around the face.
Tightly, and permanently. :-)
Glued to the face with duct tape, on all sides and around the neck. If you leave it there for about 5 minutes you will never ever get covid
And if they can't put you on a ventilator, send you home until they can.
Yes, that was what I was thinking myself.
Pretty dumb, I think. Does anyone have a count of how many people per day/week/year contract and live through the common cold? Yeah, I didn't think so. THAT is how we need to be looking at this O-Moron virus.
Totally right. Many people do, and a neglected cold can become bronchitis or pneumonia and many people die every year from it. Common colds can be coronaviruses and I think we can now list this one as a common cold, too, and stop the masquerade. I like your renaming. OMoron !
I think that most people who have a cold can determine when it has gotten out of hand and is turning into bronchitis or pneumonia. We're really not so stupid.
Exactly. I've had lung issues my whole life and I know when it's time to get some help. But now, I would rather stick my head in a bucket of Vicks than go get "help" in one of these chopping blocks posing as doctor's offices/hospitals.
List items to add: Bucket of Vicks 😹
hahahaha
"Bucket of Vicks".... This is a keeper! 😂
I had an interesting experience a few months ago. The nurse there was trying to scare me saying that I could have lost my life cycling up to the docs and that I had to call my wife to take me to the hospital. Which I did, while being a little cynical as I actually felt quite fine while the nurse was trying very hard to panic me. At hospital nurses there were saying 'you're fine, this is nothing to worry about'. Eventually seen by a great nurse who told the doctor to go away and who listened to me and then said 'you're fine' and there's nothing wrong with you and gave me a 'terrain theory' way of dealing with the issue and explanation. I wonder what would have happened if I'd let the Salvation Army style nurse at the docs rooms get me admitted.
...love your dark humor...
I live in Florida but listen to a classical radio station from London. The Brits are so weird with their NHS. All through 2020 I hear ads telling sick Brits to "stay home, protect the NHS". Bizarre when you consider its the UK taxpayers who fund the NHS. If you can't use it when you are sick, when can you?!!! The population seemed to have obeyed as there was an uptick in heart attacks, stillborns, etc.
The NHS is no longer fit for purpose.
How dumb do you have to be? I don't know, but it appears that some people are turning it into a competition.
ha!
Professor-level dumb
Yes, that really is a special degree of dumbness. Hell I almost was one and saved myself at the last minute. I honestly looked around me one day during my postdoc and said, "holy shit - I hate these people. I loathe their big fish in tiny useless ponds mentalities. I despise their desire to obtain tenure at any cost so they can sit on their asses the rest of their lives and wallow in self-adulation. I hate these institutions and their money-grubbing for grants." Left and got a job in finance.
You'd be surprised !
I guess the common cold is of world ending concern then, due to "sheer numbers."
yep...MORONIC = OMICRON!
These guys are insane.
Logistically, how would this work? Everything stops? Everything? No food deliveries can be done, no babies can be born, no work of any kind can be done outside the home, no one can go to the store to buy food, no one at SAGE can go hump their mistresses?
If these screaming Mimis want to stay home and starve themselves of food and human interactions, do it. The rest of us are going to live our lives.
I'd rather decide for myself my level of risk and get sick and die than live in the dystopian hellscape people like this *witch* are eagerly trying to create. Let those who aren't scared live their lives and those that are scared hide in their homes. I don't have anything against someone who wants to lock themselves down, but I'll be darned if I'm going to let someone who is scared decide what my risk is for anything. I've had enough.
Hear hear!
“…no one at SAGE can go hump their mistresses…” Love it!
Hey Cats - In native south Asian languages “Pagel” actually means “Mad” as in mentally deranged so this Prof Stupid is certainly living up to her name
Her full name is actually Christina Bahut Pagal-Hai.
I need to invent an internet button that skips anything that starts with “Professor”
😂
"cats are literally going to go teach racoons how to open tuna cans for us"
LMDAO
Right?!! I can just envision that too! :)
Mmm hmm. Is it my imagination or is she saying "If you are good little boys and girls, we will allow you to have Christmas"?
Guess what the next step is?
"Well, we tried to tell you, but now we're forced to cancel Christmas."
💯💯💯
Obviously no greater threat than the incredibly mild Omicron variant infecting us all and developing population wide, long lasting, robust immunity. That will flatten the curve for booster jabs and who can live with that tragic outcome?
anyone that uses the term "circuit breaker" ( dec 2021) is not a serious person.
You mean this is new? Again 10 days to flatten the curve? I thought that was 20 months ago? LOL how many times are they going to flatten the curve? And from what? A sickness no one knows they got? A common cold? An asymptomatic sickness? A chimera?
And the "it doesn't matter how mild it is, this is an emergency" crap is just mind-bogglingly stupid. Dunning-Krueger is a thing.
I can only imagine what this 2 year "curve" would look like on a graph. lol
This response is EVERYTHING.
I. Can’t. Stop. Laughing. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
TsWife I am so glad I got you the best medicine ever !
If the demand for hospital beds is going to rise, how about arranging for the supply of hospital beds to increase? Of course, that would mean that you couldn’t fire medical staff for refusing the jab. But, maybe you shouldn’t do that anyway. Just sayin’.
For non-UK readers: “Independent SAGE” is a self-appointed agitation group that indulges in out-doing the zaniness of the government. With the Rotund Albino Charlatan in charge, that is no small task.
Kinda like The Babylon Bee?
An like the BB, I can no longer tell the real ones from the wind-ups.
C'mon its only a 10 day circuit breaker. Its not like we've tried anything like this before.
The language is so reminiscent of scam artistry, even apart from the pseudoscientific foundations. The use of jargon that is ridiculous and unnecessary ("circuit-breaker" as opposed to what other kind of lockdown? they've always sold it this way), the combination of firm promises that appeal to shared values (just 10 days, it's to protect Christmas, it's to protect the NHS) ... but not without with huge asterisks (reassess at Christmas), reflecting the belief of the scammer (a well-founded one!) that they are going to piss people off when they reveal the swindle. "I TOLD you in the fine print that I was scamming you".
BTW, why are they so obsessed with doing it now? Is there really some kind of ultra-precise model that gives us such an exact prediction? No. Measurement error, problems with model specification, endless ways to correct for heteroskedasticity and non-linearity that produce different results, etc. -- and to say nothing of the fact that throughout the world there were huge death spikes in the midst of harsh lockdowns, such as in Canada, Chile, Peru, Colombia, and the UK for that matter. (I am a PhD candidate finishing my diss. in, let's say to protect my identity, applied social statistics; no one takes this kind of Potemkin Village science seriously. Yes, we all see it in journals, but everyone knows that it is bogus).
So, why? Because if there's no disaster and there's no restrictions, they likely lose their last shred of credibility.
Why right now? Because when they say it's working and must be extended through New Year's, they'll make everybody absolutely miserable, and the normal holiday suicides will quadruple, and the demon-beings that run this shit-show will have everything they wanted for Christmas...
Exactly. While everyone is miserable they go to the Cayman Islands on vacation, the whole beach to themselves because no one dares to travel, they can stay 3 or 4 weeks now and they will surely use the public's money to do that
They want a longer Christmas holiday ? Probably paid by taxpayers ? They want to be alone in the resort they booked ? Just a few ideas
Great analysis. They are doing exactly what every school board shrieking banshee did right before the school year started. Demanding the continuation of every possible restriction because they were worried that when the children returned to school, that there would be no cold-pocalypse, and all their past abuses would be exposed as completely unnecessary.
"heteroskedasticity" - love it when I learn a new word. Thanks!
Here's a question: if there had never been variants Alpha through whatever came before OMyGodCron -- if this version were the initial novel virus -- would anyone have even noticed that there *was* a novel virus circulating? A virus that causes serious disease in virtually no one? Why would we have even been looking? We wouldn't. Yet because it appears after two years of neurotic panic attacks, it's going to destroy civilization as we know it.
when does the tarring and feathering begin? these people need to be made examples of
This is quite a curve, or perhaps we should call it a plateau as it's been pretty constant since inception by the High Priest guru of all gurus, Neil Ferguson. And he has gotten everything right so far (am I right?) with the amateur model he obviously created on his kitchen table after a bottle of red in the company of his lover (who complied with all travel restrictions in perambulating her self across London to elope). Like the poisoned dwarf, Fauci, why does anyone with 2 brain cells or more, bother with these people? It's equivalent question is "What is the meaning of life....?"
Oh! Oh! I know this one! 42!
This is really TOO FUNNY 😂
This is happening now in CA! The “Karen’s” are out telling people to put on their masks while vaccine-injured Newsom is on vacation (after declaring an emergency)....I’m going to go crazy! I have to get out of CA!
There’s a nice 14 acre parcel for sale just up the county road from where I live… Texas still has room. Especially for deplorables.
... wear the label ‘deplorable’ as a badge of honor! 💕🐱💕
Where in Texas?
Deep East Texas. Pine woods. Land prices have gone up a lot of late as folks flee Houston, Dallas, and California. But they started out rather low. Angelina County, Houston County, Trinity County. Good rainfall. Lots of bugs though.
Things are changing pretty fast. Any realtor can help you.
Ah yes Southeast Texas….will be going through Angelina Co. at New Year, to visit family. I’m from NORTH East Texas but don’t live there any more. Thanks! That is beautiful country.
I live on my grandparent’s old homestead in a national forest. Night sky this time of year is awesome—with owl and coyote serenades.
Texas Wants You Back!
You and your firearms.
Yeah, where? (I'm Texan by birth and by where I live now, but it's getting pretty crowded here in this city.)
Fellow Commiefornia deplorable here too. Born and raised. NOT the state I remember as a kitten. I so need to find a red state that embraces free-thinking, flag-waving, gun-toting free-thinkers!
The only thing that got flattened is the human spirit.
Imagine being in America and saying: avoid your family through Christmas to save the NIH and/or CDC, and about 35% of the country will gleefully sign-on. U.K. is just several paces further down the socialist path where nothing short of a full civil collapse will rock them hard enough to extract themselves from collective ruin. The Anglosphere looking pretty pathetic right now. The Chinese are enjoying this spectacle. #NotOneShot
There are a few people I like as individuals, but I don't like humans as a species. Mostly primitive barbaric psychopaths in suits followed by dimwitted multitudes. I am a good and reliable tuna can opener and wisely ask my cats for their opinions to avoid making dumb mistakes in life.
I am sure cats and dogs think we are absolutely hopeless stupid. I am also sure they are way smarter than most humans. Just look at the face of a dog who wants a treat.
I agree. It's the look of pure calm intelligence that we only rarely see in human faces.
If only human faces could be so readable LOL
My cats convince me on many mornings to just make a blanket fort for them and read substack
Have any of you read "The Real Anthony Fauci" yet?
Yep, everyone should read it!
I'm 2/3 of the way through. I had to put it down for awhile because I was feeling murderous.
Yes, only in Chapter 2 though - 258 pages in! As I've posted before, prepare to be angry, VERY angry.
"Have any of you read "The Real Anthony Fauci" yet?"
Still waiting for my copy. Not sure what's going on TBH.
waiting also
I am so grateful that we've had so many Phd's, Professors and people "smarter than us" to tell us what we needed to do over the last 2 years. Just imagine how much worse it would have been without them... ;-)
I'm so grateful that we have so many PhDs and professors and people "smarter than me" who have come out to explain the numbers and data to us and put themselves on the line. I greatly appreciate them all. 👍
A couple more months and "just two weeks" will have morphed into "just two years." :)
I've long been saying "Two weeks to flatten the curve. Two years to flatten the country." 'Twas always the goal.
I posted a few covid math memes the other day... The absolute best one imo is where anon proves covid travels at 99.7% the speed of light due to time dilation. What is 10 days in our time to something that travels so fast?
Your article on Pfizer is eye opening, for anyone who still held them able to do something right
I wouldn't trust them to water my plants
Became a subscriber. "vaccine enthusiast" is "antivzx" payback ❣️
I'm joining the fray. I was just Deeply Concerned on the sidelines but now I'm 'this little authoritarian'. It must be the meow mix, or the toxoplasmosis..
But she is a professor and proven to be booksmart! Class let’s assume that there is a crisis and a wonderful opportunity for virtue signaling and career advancement.
What then would be the best course of action?
Don't be so sure about the booksmart part. Academia isn't what it used to be. Affirmative action in action.
I want to see the forest, but there are so many trees in the way.
The democratic West is being eviscerated to the advantage of tyrants. Lock down our societies over a disease that South African health workers affirm to be mild?
If this professor were a lighthouse, she would be a beacon announcing “here is the land of suicidal delusion and murderous mendacity.”
And the wrecks pile up on the rocks nonetheless.
People still go there.
They won’t stop until they have reduced the west to impotence and irrelevancy. Then what will stop the new power lords?
The worst part of sinking is the slow pace of the disaster.
People on the Titanic would have envied those who died in a sudden train wreck.
Pick your lifeboat.
See Jordan Peterson clip on Utube of him answering JRE question on gain (of function) of benefit on slow pace of noose tightening: don't realize the lost rights if meted out slowly.
Yesterday's moron was a PhD. Today's moron is a professor. I can hardly *wait* to see who outdoes them tomorrow!
Prime Minister seems to outdo most people on most days
And he dresses the part, too! Didn't I see him in a lab coat inspecting a test tube? Didn't I recently see a photo of him dressed as a police officer? LOL!
Rofl
Well, it is only 10 days and not 14 days like the original flatten the curve so instead of (14*10) days it should only be (10*10) days to circuit break. Phew, I was worried this might last > 100 days.
I'm just pissing my pants over Omicron
No other circus has ever pulled this trick
Nothing short of tribunals for people like this or we faith will never be restored for Public Health talking heads.
That or we're past that point and we're headed for actual totalitarianism and it doesn't matter anymore anyway.
Riiiiiiight
Truth: Humans be the staff to most little gatos. That might explainerize a few things.
i'm calling for an indefinite end to egoflation that has proven beyond transitory for team "ignore reality" everyone enjoy your Holidays
"I'm so excited... that I just can't hide it.. we're are all gonna die of omicron and they will like it. Yeah. Yeah." - New Anthony Fauci song.
Please don't make the man sing
HA. He can whistle a tune as he shuffles off to jail.
My vote for Person of the Year is Anders Tegnell.
“Tegnell’s underlying argument is that Covid-19 isn’t going away any time soon, meaning sudden, severe lockdowns will ultimately prove ineffective in addressing the longer-term threat.”
It was clear from the outset to anyone rational that this virus would be with us for a long time and that any efforts to address it would need to be sustainable.
But lockdowns and school closures aren’t sustainable. They are so destructive that that they could only ever be very short-term measures which, for this virus, are useless and ephemeral.
Tragically, catastrophically and heroically, Tegnell was almost alone in defending Reason against the global tidal wave of irrational Covid hysteria.
As he observed, early on:
‘The world went mad with lockdowns’.
Let’s hope the world does not go mad again.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/world-went-mad-imposing-covid-19-lockdowns-says-swedish-epidemiologist/story-0QsmZAhZ4uYaC7elcYnThP_amp.html
The goal of unreasonable measures is to set up ruination to take-over-for-your-safety.
Trouble is, there is absolutely NOTHING that is "independent" about "Independent Sage"
Oh right is that why every GP surgery in the country will be closed for five days over Christmas. They must not be too worried anyone will get ill over Christmas. Oh wait, hang on, Chrissie is saying we are all going to die soon despite the fact deaths from covid are dropping like a stone. But let’s not let the facts get in the way. Let’s continue to use scaremongering tactics to what? God only knows. My step son and his scared wife have just cancelled our outing Christmas Eve. It was just to pizza express. They are scared. Of what, I have no idea. And there begins the end of every hospitality venue in the UK. Well done Boris, SAGE, Chrissie you have decimated small businesses and the hospitality industry. There won’t be a lot left by the time your done. Have a great Christmas Chrissie.
Prof. Christina Pagel is an intellectual idiot.
I've lost a lot of respect for humans during this (and it was thin enough to begin with). If today I was magically given the choice between having to be part of this species or be a cat and have to lick my rear end daily, well...
With you on the humans failure, but we've always self-destructed. This is just another example of self-predatory extinction.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Pagel needs to exit stage left....enough already....
'10 day Circuit Breaker' ? Completely stupid. One word for Prof. Pagel: 'SWEDEN' !!!!!
"How about 'no' you crazy dutch bastard." (British Bitch)
Stupid people love to show off on Twitter?
I love the "teaching raccoons to open tuna cans"!! Do they have raccoons in the UK? Because if they don't, they better find a substitute quick.
I think they have badgers