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CriticalThought's avatar

The fact that we, as a society, have devolved into lemmings in a few months, listening to a octogenarian scam artist bureaucrat change the goalposts as often has he changes his depends, is really baffling to me.

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G Harkness's avatar

Yep, that's the MOST concerning issue. And I would really like to know (seriously) what makes the difference between those lemmings and people (like many of us here) who were afraid for about a NY minute and figured out that this is NO way to live and we're NOT going to do it.

I kept thinking "How long are people going to put up with this crap" back in the beginning when so little was known.....and the answer is still one I am having difficulty with. How CAN people care so little for their lives? I mean REAL life, with meaning and purpose and quality, not living under the bed, hiding from those scary germs.

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Maria Romana's avatar

Agreed. I remember telling my kids back in March of 2020 that there was no way people would put up with "lockdown" for more than a couple weeks. I so vastly overestimated my fellow Americans, it was truly depressing. Finding communities like this has re-established my belief in mankind, but still, what is it that separates us? Why are so many so easily fooled and led, even at risk of their own and their children's lives? I don't understand this, and I don't think I'm so different or special; I just don't walk through life with blinders on.

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CMCM's avatar

As horrible as all the covid theater is, I have to say what surprised me most was how so many people just lay right down for this and didn't fight back. Australia and Canada have also shocked me. I've often pondered why I didn't buy in to any of it from the very beginning. Maybe because I've always been a realist who questioned everything and looked at all sides of things. With Covid, almost immediately I felt that things didn't add up, what I saw/observed/read didn't comport with what "they" were trying to make us believe. So for me, it shifted from the virus to trying to figure out what the purpose was behind it, why on earth this game was being played with us all.

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Cheryl's avatar

It's not all of us! What I am seeing and experiencing is horrible - the public health policy decisions have been driven by public opinion polls. Whose opinions? Certainly not any rational persons...HELP

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CMCM's avatar

Glad to hear that.....are you Australia or Canada? How much of the population is opposed to all that is going on?

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Cheryl's avatar

I am in Canada. Most people I know donтАЩt believe in all the restrictions but have been quite compliant. It has gotten so bad that as of today, unvaccinated people over the age of 12 are no longer able to travel by train or planeтАж there are protests about once a month in the major cities but there is never any media coverage so it doesnтАЩt gain traction.

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Rachel's avatar

I am in a group here in my little city - about 150 or 200 of us, and we are organizing for how to push back, and how to get the word out to as many of those who can be reached as we can. I am hopeful that there are similar groups all across the western world, which is where this crackdown on us seems to be concentrated, that are trying to figure out in little groups how to reach people. Someone in the group posted this video related to it, and a good reminder to try not to become to frustrated with those who still seem hypnotised:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KQ1dmHi9QZ6b/

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Testpattern's avatar

Here is a little good news from my town. The unjabbed daughter of a friend is a med student at the local state university. A new rule this autumn was, she had to pay for and take 3 PCR tests per week to attend classes. This was prohibitively expensive (and, of course, unfair). So, her mom organized a petition that many of us signed on to, and the Dean of the Medical School agreed to change the policy to one free PCR test per week. I know, I know, it is still discriminatory and unscientific to require the unjabbed to take the test -- but it is a kind of victory and my friend's daughter can continue her studies (at least for now). I was pessimistic that the university would listen to our complaints. The result really gave me hope that our protests might be effective.

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norstadt's avatar

The purpose of COVID policy in 2020 was to get Trump out of office. Most D's can't fathom that because they see their team as the good guys. Some I's and R's also got taken by the media circus. In 2021 the purpose seems to be continued political control and slowing down the economy for climate goals.

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Rob D's avatar

And to willingly and quite literally give up the ONLY THING that we truly own in our existence on this earth: Our Body. WOW. I'll never get over it. Ever.

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Shy Boy's avatar

Once you've already given up your soul, handing over your body is no big deal.

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Testpattern's avatar

I keep wondering what the future of society will look like. If the bad vax side effects are widespread and if ADE sets in and the vaxxed suffer massive harms and death due to the jabs, that will be catastrophic for society. But if that doesn't happen, and if someone waved a magic wand and Covid disappeared 100% right now, there are still major damages done to trust in public institutions, relations between workers and employers, and interpersonal relations among friends, family, etc. In other words, even if the worst case apocalyptic scenario does not play out, and the best case scenario does play out, there is still irreparable harm done in our society. Or, if not "irreparable", it will take a long time to repair. Think of the harm done to kids during these years by social distancing, masking, closed schools, etc. This experience may define that generation - in a bad way.

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TexBat's avatar

+ willing to sacrifice our children

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Fr0hickey's avatar

I wonder if Fauci has any vaccinated grandchildren.

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Tigerkatze's avatar

With saline

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Stephen Simac's avatar

"Alton Ochsner, a professor of surgery at Tulane Medical School and founder of the Ochsner Clinic in New Orleans, gave the [Cutter polio] vaccine to his grandson Eugene Davis, Offit wrote. The child died May 4." despite warnings that the lab had not attenuated the virus. and monkeys were being paralyzed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/14/cutter-polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/

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John Goode's avatar

The mass of people take their cues from mainstream media. They have no independent thought and just absorb whatever message the idiot box is telling them. Think Pravda or Izvestia in the Soviet Union. Do you think most Russians in the 1920s thought Bolshevism was working well? It didn't matter though because the official mass media was telling them that kulaks and wreckers were damaging their country. Today - just substitute in the "unvaxxed."

So unless and until the big corporate media is nationalized, broken up, or otherwise brought under control, we will still have these propaganda outlets pushing this virus narrative and the masses of people will buy it.

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G Harkness's avatar

The worst of it is NPR. They take their line DIRECTLY from what they're told to say. And people consider them to be a "trusted" source. Disclaimer: though I don't watch ABC, CNN etc., I do listen to at least 30 minutes of NPR every day to find out what the next "big" thing is (that I can know is what the government wants us to believe).

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MLL's avatar

NPR is the worst but look at their sponsors... The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, for example. All media is captured by big pharma, too.

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John Goode's avatar

Yeah, all those Foundations & NGOs are part of the corrupt deep state. Charity can happen on an individual basis. But institutionalized charity is not a thing. It is just a front. A cover. A dodge. A hustle. Ford Foundation. Carnegie Foundation. Do you think the founders really cared about "the people"? And even if they did, do you think those who run them now care?

Repeat after me: Large organizations do not care about you. They are just that - organizations. They do not love. They do not hate. They do not feel. The people who run them will do whatever they think is in their interests. The trick is to try to align the leader's interests with the broad interests of society. Currently that is definitely not the case with the leaders of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Or the leaders of NPR. Or Pfizer, for that matter.

Related:

https://www.sgtreport.com/2021/11/belarus-leader-alexander-lukashenko-defends-shutting-down-liquidating-scum-globalist-ngos/

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G Harkness's avatar

I have never thought that these organizations had any component of "caring." I always just thought of them as a way for very wealthy people to legally avoid certain taxes. And while doing so, manage to do something that is in the best interest of the owners. :-)

But then again, I never thought that any of them SHOULD do anything "for the people," or that they owed "the people" anything. I just think they should do what they say they are doing, instead of saying one thing and doing another.

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Alfred's avatar

They're a bunch of grifters, sucking dollars in and then using said dollars towards their social agenda. And since they're seen as oh-so-virtuous they can get away with all sorts of chicanery without consequence.

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IvyRose's avatar

yeah, like murder of millions...

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Stephen Simac's avatar

Their wealth is shielded from taxes, so actually they do owe 'the people', just as "not for profit" public hospitals do. Unfortunately they aren't held to account.

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G Harkness's avatar

I hear what you are saying and I donтАЩt necessarily disagree, but I do a whole lot better when I live my life as though no one owes me anything. :-)

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G Harkness's avatar

Oh, I know. That's why I listen to them. Have to keep up with what the opposition is doing. Otherwise we won't know.

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John Goode's avatar

Yep, NPR and PBS are bad. But the fact that CNN & MSNBC spew the same line just goes to show that the latter are not really "private."

Imagine if in 2024 we could vote for the head of NPR. i.e., if the actual editor-in-chief of NPR was on the ballot right beside Biden and whomever. And he/she had to campaign about whether to allow more dissenting views on NPR.

Imagine the same thing for CNN & MSNBC.

Now that's what I call real democracy. Couldn't be worse than what we have now.

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Shy Boy's avatar

Wrong way out. Let the Mockingbird media die with its remaining dupes. Younger people don't notice TV talking heads or newspaper pundits anyway. "News" was always a lie, anyway. We'll be fine without it. The information marketplace will sort it out.

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G Harkness's avatar

Yeah, I don't disagree. It's just that I don't have a TV so I don't watch any of those others (and wouldn't if I could). I listen to NPR in my car.

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Stephen Simac's avatar

National Pharmaceutical Radio

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Annie Today and Tomorrow's avatar

I believe getting out in the streets with "boycott the lying media " signage may be the way forward. ЁЯдФ

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SomeChick's avatar

Yes. To think I used to listen to NPR all the time in the car. Now when I turn it on, all I hear in the news segments is vaccine propaganda.

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RegretLeft's avatar

If ONLY we could get to a Soviet-citizen level of cynicism and awareness! In Russian Pravda = News and Izvestia = Truth (or other way round) For decades the going joke in the USSR was "There's no news in "The Truth" and no truth in "The News"

At least CNN viewership is plummeting - it's a start.

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John Goode's avatar

Yep. Western propaganda is so much better because it hides itself under the cloak of "private" companies. Plus our material conditions - at least for the moment - are so much better than in the Soviet Union that people are relatively content and don't question the propaganda. #BreadAndCircuses works!

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Testpattern's avatar

I had hoped that the living memory of totalitarianism and the fake media during communist times would "innoculate" eastern Europeans from the Covid hysteria. Given that some eastern European countries do have relatively lower jab rates, maybe that is the case to a degree. But then, other formerly communist countries like Latvia and Slovakia are going nuts with their lockdowns and other rules.

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Testpattern's avatar

I don't know much about the history of communism. But there are two perspectives I've heard on what you mention. On the one hand, many people were persuaded by the propaganda and loved Stalin. There are old people who still remember Stalin fondly. On the other hand, many people knew those newspapers were full of lies and became very cynical about the leadership and the communist system.

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Abner Knight's avatar

No! Not even close. This is the end of the scam that stared in the 70s with nutrition and the American diet. And by end I mean of the of the scam and many of us.

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IvyRose's avatar

yes, the end of many people around the world, but it's due to the global warming/climate change...

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IvyRose's avatar

of course those nasty moronic variants are causing it too

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Abner Knight's avatar

don't forget racism...

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JB64's avatar

I continue to be baffled as well.

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JB64's avatar

I'm visiting in Cambridge, MA, home to M.I.T. and Harvard, and presumably some of the greatest minds in the world, and yet I'm witnessing almost everyone wearing masks indoors, outdoors, in cars, etc. It's hard to comprehend that seemingly nobody questions the "science" behind the idiotic "stand up, mask up" rule in restaurants and bars. I was just turned away from a Catholic church because I refused to put on a mask. Last night I walked away from a local brewery because I needed a mask to walk five steps to the bar, where I was allowed to remove my mask. It's pure insanity, and it's alarming to witness people complying with these absurd rules, especially in a city where science and critical thinking are supposed to abound. I can only hope this is just a phenomenon of big cities and that we, the non-lemmings, outnumber the lemmings.

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Pthalocyanine's avatar

they simply Cannot Be Wrong. there is no end point to this, for the Intelligentsia.

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brian kennedy's avatar

Nassim Taleb has coined a term for this. тАЬIYIтАЭ (intelligent, yet idiot)

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Markus Allen's avatar

Fuck Nassim Taleb and his "fragile" magic math: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVRfBhy5vGI

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Markus Allen's avatar

Someone posted this tweet to respond to Taleb's nonsense: https://twitter.com/eleufski/status/1464734773092491281 Funny... crickets chirpin'. Taleb is a technocratic tool.

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SomeChick's avatar

Nope. It's all about "The Science". No room for debate with "The Science". The Science is always right and there is only ONE Science.

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Rob D's avatar

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE! Too many people have been complying to take part in "society". NO. I, like yourself, will NOT participate. If a business requires ANYTHING but my hard earned money for the "privilege" of doing business with them I tell them flat out that I will NEVER be back. Ef em.

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Ed's avatar

woke ivy.....

not what they were.

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The Great Santini's avatar

Deep Blue Zone up there. Probably people in the labs at MIT making fun of this, but donтАЩt want to get hammered by the management, so performative BS continues.

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SomeChick's avatar

Yep, I live in the fair city you describe. Due to my medical history, I declined injection and then did my own non-NPR/mainstream news or medicine research. I sought a medical exemption at a Harvard-affiliated hospital and was denied by my new, young, afraid-to-lose-his-job PCP.

It amazes me to see how many people including college students - and Boston is chock full of colleges/universities - are wearing masks outside. Yes, sometimes you forget to take it off when you exit a building or it's easier to just leave it on if you're going to another indoor establishment (yet much more difficult to breathe) but it seems people still fear getting "it" outside. I've been tempted to stop people while outside on a beautiful sunny fall day and ask them why, why, why are you wearing a mask? Sigh. The restaurant/bar rules are just silly. I cannot visit my former neighborhood watering hole as only fully injected folks are allowed. Whatever "fully V'd" means this week.

It is indeed alarming. Most highly educated people around here prefer to comply, have no interest in doing their own research, and accept everything the TV or radio/NPR or NYT says as gospel truth. Anything that is not firmly "pro-V" or inline with the accepted narrative is the work of "conspiracy theorists". If you don't willingly line up for injections X3, even with valid medical conditions, you are branded an "anti-vaxxer" - a fate worse than death, apparently. Lemmings indeed, waiting for Dr. F to tell them what is allowed for Thanksgiving while pointing their terrified fingers at folks like me.

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JB64's avatar

Thanks for sharing, SomeChick. After being here for just a few days, the feeling of intense pressure to conform is almost palpable. The sheeple rule this town. I head back to Illinois today, and despite King (aka Gov) Pritzker's never ending mask mandates and emergency orders, many establishments are just ignoring them or not enforcing them. Good luck, and consider moving to NH!

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Ed's avatar

i live in free america.... aka new hampshire.

i do not intend to spend a dime in bean town long as i can hold out!

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MLL's avatar

And extremely arrogant. Don't expect them to admit any wrongdoing or errors.

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Laurence Flynn's avatar

Don't know why anyone is baffled. The global population is being "nudged" and they are now basically unconsciously hypnotized. This is the result of decades of applied behavioral psychology research that has now been weaponized. All mainstream media outlets have been institutionally captured and are being used as the vehicle for this psychological assault on humanity. We are living Huxley's "Final Revolution".

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Jestre's avatar

To be honest, this is not eye opening. On average, people tend towards the easiest route. Complying is always easier if you don't discount future losses due to compliance.

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Montaigne's avatar

It seems to me that many are seeing through TonyтАЩs scam.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1135841/trust-in-medical-advice-fauci-by-party-id/

Some of us saw through this con artist early on. Others took longer. It seems clear though that his reputation is not what it once was, and that independents and Republicans do not trust him.

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