The scary thing is: I think most of them actually agree.
The right person says something to them and it's automatically true. Forever and ever, amen.
We all fall prey to that way of thinking. I think many of us who were against lockdowns, mandates, & masking and who didn't for one minute think the vaccines were either safe or effective had just already been burnt one too many times before by "authority figures."
You learn to look for the person who is an actual authority. Who has boots on the ground and isn't trying to sell you something? Who is arguing from reason, rather than mandating by force and obfuscating the facts? What are the actual authorities doing and saying?
There is no argument... we have known for a long time that these "vaccines" do not prevent anything. However, the Tweet on top by David Zwieg is about the court's decision that the government was suppressing free speech. The fact is that government should not suppress free speech - perod -irrespective of whether what is said is true or not.
How many videos of public health officials stating that the shots do not prevent infection or transmission, and how many papers published in medical journals with evidence of the same will it take for the media and politicians to stop calling that fact misinformation?
They developed a pattern in Europe. There are reports of one batch distributed there that were obviously placebos because the people who received those shots did not have the excess deaths seen in the people who got the other batches.
Remember breakthrough infections! Good times! They were as rare as hen's teeth. I laughed my ass off when the rare breakthrough infections started immediately, because even Big Harma never said it would stop infections. See, if people just listened to Big Harma they would have known the truth.
And the powers that be said so since the beginning. While Trump was still in office (and I was still completely ignorant) the whole thing sounded a lot like the flu “vaccine.”
Correct. The vaccines were never shown to prevent infection or transmission and that is was reflected in the FDA Q&A web pages. The idea that they ever were shown to work for this purpose for any variant, even the original, is demonstrably false. No discrimination against the unvaccinated was ever justified. Details here:
Personally, boasting neither penis nor balls, but bearing a womb and in menapause, I shall choose to identify as - misterinformation. I will not tolerate the sexism of such New York So-With-The-Times offensive language...
(Rather fun emulating their linguistic gibberish...)
That's not it, really, I think. People's lives were destroyed by everything to do with this Plague Era management. To accept that it was all for nought is a pretty big abyss to contemplate. It's no surprise they'll fight against it with everything they have. The truth invalidates their entire social class.
"It's no surprise they'll fight against it with everything they have."
And therein lies the irony.
They think that, if they come clean - "Sorry, guys. We really messed this response up. We're smart and humble and will work to figure out how could do better next time." - that we'll be less likely to do their bidding The Next Time.
Whereas, we mostly think that they could just acknowledge their mistakes - "If you MFers can't just drop the mask and admit you were wrong." - we might be more sympathatic.
This is primal gut rage. The educated class hates to be found out as stupid and gullible. From their end it boils down to "why didn't all those loathsome people die?"
And the degree of damage they did--I don't think any mea culpas can reasonably be expected to be accepted with gracious understanding.
Do you think I can ever be made to forgive them, with the damage I believe they did to a very beloved friend, and that they coerced, mandated or persuaded other people extremely precious to me, in a younger demographic, to take the vax whose risks outweigh any purported benefit? If I had an incineration laser I'd use it and let the cosmos decide later if I'd been a little over-impetuous.
I'm not asking you to forgive them. I'm suggesting that, if they would like to be respected for their opinions again, they need to stop pretending they were right all along. I believe my exact phrasing was, "- we might be more sympathetic."
Nah, the people pushing the lies and the NORMIE "believers" who empowered themselves to make the INTELLIGENT "non-believers" lives miserable all deserve the rope.
These people wanted all the "non-believers" thrown in camps and/or dead.
I'm glad you called this out, Great Gato. I was taken by it immediately, and actually took time to write to Mr. Shear (co-author of the story) asking him why he--or the Times--were incredulous at facts....
The sad thing is that this shouldn't even be dependent on (hyper-) political messaging; if people had even a basic understanding of how vaccines work, they'd understand that 100% prevention of transmission is impossible. But the nuance of statistics doesn't make for a punchy sound bite - and can you imagine Ice Cream Joe trying to babble out an explanation of R-zero or false positives?
"they'd understand that 100% prevention of transmission is impossible."
I don't think reasonable people expected 100% prophylaxis.
But at least some efficacy should have been the minimal requirment for mandates, for driving job losses (either by refusing the vax or their company not surviving the economic downturn), divisive language against the skeptical, and especially censorship.
It's hard to justify censorship under almost any circumstances but, if you are going to smother every dissenting voice, you should sure be closer to Correct than our BigPublicHealth betters are.
Every once in a while I read a vax skeptical substacker say "the tide is turning." But is it? I don't think the people who supported the Covid narrative will ever change their minds. I don't think they can.
Pantaloons combusted, indeed! Fortunately, Covid is merely just a nasty flu, not the killer the mis-and-mal treatments turned it into. The real killer is the Great Reset/Big Pharma/government cabal orchestrating the scam. Time to illustrate graphically to them what it means to try to herd cats!
The newsrooms of America are now filled with people who have a narrative they want believed rather than the truth. I have a good friend who worked at a major daily. They fought with editors daily to tell the truth vs a fake narrative. Alas, they no longer work there. This person covered major stories, front page articles and even appeared on national TV news to discuss. NY Times, Washington Post, MSM and all national city daily's are filled with the mind numb idiots now - whatever the marching orders are from the national Dems they act on it like the myrmidons they are.
I saw a California prison study from the omicron wave that purported to show that vaccination had a barely statistically significant reduction in transmission rates on direct contacts. I’m sure the data was massaged to get there since it was throwing out data from the vast majority of the prison population.but the study itself seemed sound. But at least it was data.
I think that when these people claim “prevent”, they mean it might have prevented a single case of transmission in a single instance. For example, a study that shows a reduction in secondary attack rates from 39% to 38% “prevents” 1% of potential transmissions.
The best form of disinformation is when the MSM all agree to never report on something that doesn’t fit their narrative.
I don't think they even have to agree. They all just act as one. Like the Borg
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is controlled by the same relatively few people.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XVJivdiC4hWB/
The scary thing is: I think most of them actually agree.
The right person says something to them and it's automatically true. Forever and ever, amen.
We all fall prey to that way of thinking. I think many of us who were against lockdowns, mandates, & masking and who didn't for one minute think the vaccines were either safe or effective had just already been burnt one too many times before by "authority figures."
You learn to look for the person who is an actual authority. Who has boots on the ground and isn't trying to sell you something? Who is arguing from reason, rather than mandating by force and obfuscating the facts? What are the actual authorities doing and saying?
There is actually quite a lot of coordination going on. https://www.racket.news/p/report-on-the-censorship-industrial-74b
Like Balaji’s “school of fish” analogy
They don't even know which lies they are supposed to be supporting anymore.
Bunk from The Wire: “Makes me sick, mothafucker how far we done fell”
We didn't fall. We was pushed!
Some of us did harai-goshi when pushed. :)
if it's not found in The Wire, you probably don't need it.
Oh, indeed...
(whistling ‘The Farmer in the Dell’)
Omar's coming to visit
Apropos of nothing - I enjoyed a line from ‘Treme’ said to the same actor by his wife - ‘You’ve gotta get a *job* job, Antoine!’.
There is no argument... we have known for a long time that these "vaccines" do not prevent anything. However, the Tweet on top by David Zwieg is about the court's decision that the government was suppressing free speech. The fact is that government should not suppress free speech - perod -irrespective of whether what is said is true or not.
Now, I take issue with your first statement. I posit that the 'vaccines' prevent good health. Or health period.
Agree... correction accepted.
Hah hah!
How many videos of public health officials stating that the shots do not prevent infection or transmission, and how many papers published in medical journals with evidence of the same will it take for the media and politicians to stop calling that fact misinformation?
"A man may imagine things that are false, but he can only understand things that are true."
Sir Isaac Newton
They never did stop transmission. It's weird to me that people can believe otherwise. It's amazing how ineffective they were from the beginning.
They were amazingly effective.
Fast kill, slow kill, placebo.
Wash, rinse, repeat at every round of "boosters" in order to not develop a pattern.
They developed a pattern in Europe. There are reports of one batch distributed there that were obviously placebos because the people who received those shots did not have the excess deaths seen in the people who got the other batches.
I remember this Slovenian nurse saying the vials were labeled "1, 2, and 3" as to who got what. LOL
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WEnEy0jEjhDJ/
Remember breakthrough infections! Good times! They were as rare as hen's teeth. I laughed my ass off when the rare breakthrough infections started immediately, because even Big Harma never said it would stop infections. See, if people just listened to Big Harma they would have known the truth.
And the powers that be said so since the beginning. While Trump was still in office (and I was still completely ignorant) the whole thing sounded a lot like the flu “vaccine.”
Correct. The vaccines were never shown to prevent infection or transmission and that is was reflected in the FDA Q&A web pages. The idea that they ever were shown to work for this purpose for any variant, even the original, is demonstrably false. No discrimination against the unvaccinated was ever justified. Details here:
https://howtosee2020.com/discrimination
Reboonked!
Remember, they stopped calling the TRUTH misinformation and disinformation.
Now it's MALinformation which means HURTFUL information.
That's one smart, de-pantalooned dissembler!
Personally, boasting neither penis nor balls, but bearing a womb and in menapause, I shall choose to identify as - misterinformation. I will not tolerate the sexism of such New York So-With-The-Times offensive language...
(Rather fun emulating their linguistic gibberish...)
“Media outlets?” You spelled “clowns” wrong. But you’re only a kitten, so it’s easily overlooked.
Media outlets, much like sewage outlets, pollute the environment with toxic waste.
so funny. What a bunch of cry kittens, errrr babies.
All of them are babies.
I am quite pleased with the S. C rulings. I have no more room for bull sh7t
That's not it, really, I think. People's lives were destroyed by everything to do with this Plague Era management. To accept that it was all for nought is a pretty big abyss to contemplate. It's no surprise they'll fight against it with everything they have. The truth invalidates their entire social class.
"It's no surprise they'll fight against it with everything they have."
And therein lies the irony.
They think that, if they come clean - "Sorry, guys. We really messed this response up. We're smart and humble and will work to figure out how could do better next time." - that we'll be less likely to do their bidding The Next Time.
Whereas, we mostly think that they could just acknowledge their mistakes - "If you MFers can't just drop the mask and admit you were wrong." - we might be more sympathatic.
I think you're incorrect in both assessments.
This is primal gut rage. The educated class hates to be found out as stupid and gullible. From their end it boils down to "why didn't all those loathsome people die?"
And the degree of damage they did--I don't think any mea culpas can reasonably be expected to be accepted with gracious understanding.
Do you think I can ever be made to forgive them, with the damage I believe they did to a very beloved friend, and that they coerced, mandated or persuaded other people extremely precious to me, in a younger demographic, to take the vax whose risks outweigh any purported benefit? If I had an incineration laser I'd use it and let the cosmos decide later if I'd been a little over-impetuous.
I'm not asking you to forgive them. I'm suggesting that, if they would like to be respected for their opinions again, they need to stop pretending they were right all along. I believe my exact phrasing was, "- we might be more sympathetic."
Nothing more, nothing less.
They don't want to be respected. They want to be not wrong. They will fight to the death to find any way to demonstrate they were right.
PS: You want to be more sympathetic you got all the rights to handle yourself any way you choose. I ain't in your "we."
Aaaaaaannndddd... We disagree on what?
Except for that Shoot First-Evaluate My Impetuousness Later thing.
Like the man said, “I’m not Jesus Christ and I don’t have Alzheimer’s- so I can’t forgive and I can’t forget.”
Nailed it.
PS: I'd just change it to *won't.*
Nah, the people pushing the lies and the NORMIE "believers" who empowered themselves to make the INTELLIGENT "non-believers" lives miserable all deserve the rope.
These people wanted all the "non-believers" thrown in camps and/or dead.
Just waiting for the lights to go out...
I'm glad you called this out, Great Gato. I was taken by it immediately, and actually took time to write to Mr. Shear (co-author of the story) asking him why he--or the Times--were incredulous at facts....
The sad thing is that this shouldn't even be dependent on (hyper-) political messaging; if people had even a basic understanding of how vaccines work, they'd understand that 100% prevention of transmission is impossible. But the nuance of statistics doesn't make for a punchy sound bite - and can you imagine Ice Cream Joe trying to babble out an explanation of R-zero or false positives?
"they'd understand that 100% prevention of transmission is impossible."
I don't think reasonable people expected 100% prophylaxis.
But at least some efficacy should have been the minimal requirment for mandates, for driving job losses (either by refusing the vax or their company not surviving the economic downturn), divisive language against the skeptical, and especially censorship.
It's hard to justify censorship under almost any circumstances but, if you are going to smother every dissenting voice, you should sure be closer to Correct than our BigPublicHealth betters are.
Given that we are injecting a drug into healthy people, I argue that safety has to be even more important than for other drugs, vioxx notwithstanding.
Anybody that fell for the promise of "two jabs to get back to normal" was a retard.
Just do the OPPOSITE of whatever Jews say if you want to live longer and/or make more money. EASY.
"Just do the OPPOSITE of whatever Jews say"
I'll just leave this here without comment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
10 lbs of hate in a 5 lb bag.
Ignore him
Oy gevalt iz mir!
Every once in a while I read a vax skeptical substacker say "the tide is turning." But is it? I don't think the people who supported the Covid narrative will ever change their minds. I don't think they can.
Pantaloons combusted, indeed! Fortunately, Covid is merely just a nasty flu, not the killer the mis-and-mal treatments turned it into. The real killer is the Great Reset/Big Pharma/government cabal orchestrating the scam. Time to illustrate graphically to them what it means to try to herd cats!
The newsrooms of America are now filled with people who have a narrative they want believed rather than the truth. I have a good friend who worked at a major daily. They fought with editors daily to tell the truth vs a fake narrative. Alas, they no longer work there. This person covered major stories, front page articles and even appeared on national TV news to discuss. NY Times, Washington Post, MSM and all national city daily's are filled with the mind numb idiots now - whatever the marching orders are from the national Dems they act on it like the myrmidons they are.
I saw a California prison study from the omicron wave that purported to show that vaccination had a barely statistically significant reduction in transmission rates on direct contacts. I’m sure the data was massaged to get there since it was throwing out data from the vast majority of the prison population.but the study itself seemed sound. But at least it was data.
I think that when these people claim “prevent”, they mean it might have prevented a single case of transmission in a single instance. For example, a study that shows a reduction in secondary attack rates from 39% to 38% “prevents” 1% of potential transmissions.
Science!