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Jaye's avatar

My own GP said that the vaccines were causing the variants...back in July...as he was convincing us to take it anyway...

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charles's avatar

People have no idea what a cult medicine is. A friend of mine said that I was going to be angry to hear that she was refusing the vaxx; she had read up on what disasters prior coronavirus vaccine attempts were.

She was startled when I told her that I agreed with her. I said, "I went to medical school, but I never drank the Kool-aid."

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HornIt's avatar

This two year episode has definitely opened my eyes to how completely captured the world of medicine and health has become by the government, big pharma and publish health bureaucracies. I will never just take my doctor's or the "expert's" word for anything again. I will certainly take their word under consideration, but I don't think these clowns at the top of the public health pyramid realize just how much damage they've done to the credibility of medicine and healthcare professionals going forward.

It's gong to be a long road to regain trust.....if ever.

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HornIt's avatar

It's not the vaccines per se, it's the mass vaccination campaign that puts evolutionary pressure on the virus that results in immune escape (variants). But it should be understood that these kind of highly mutable, airborne viruses always mutate away from any kind of mass immunity, even that coming from natural immunity. This is why we've never been able to eliminate cold and flu viruses and short of sterilizing vaccines that are actually safe and effective, we never will.

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wendy broffman's avatar

And we should not be afraid of a virus. The "virus" no matter what it is or isn't, is being used to manufacture a crisis that can then be capitalised on for an agenda. We should not forget that and then get caught up in the weeds of the narrative. I have had to question my entire worldview around vaccines and the medical corporate complex itself. when I questioned, I discovered I have probably been scammed my entire life around what health is.

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HornIt's avatar

Not sure I'd say we should not be afraid of it, but we should not overreact to it and we should put it's risks across various demographics in proper perspective. From very early on it seemed obvious to me that The Great Barrington Declaration folks had it mostly right. Largely what Sweden did after unfortunately failing initially to protect the most vulnerable nursing home residents.

A targeted protection approach, where the most vulnerable assume the greatest precautions while the rest of the population, the vast, vast majority, go on living their lives as normal to achieve natural herd immunity, which then protects the most vulnerable. The vaccines coming along could have/should have been used as a tool for protecting that targeted high risk protection. Once we knew they were leaky vaccines, which was known almost immediately, that was their only truly valid use.

But the government "experts" took us down a different, clown world path, and they can't afford the risk to their reputations that an honest re-evaluation and course correction would entail. So, they become the hammer and when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. At some point, you hope they find and take the offramp. I'm personally hoping Omicron is that opportunity for them to get out of this without admitting they got it all wrong.

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wendy broffman's avatar

again, humans have evolved with viruses. They are within us all and everywhere. But 100 years of germ theory has engrained us with world view based on fear. Now, it's only been since the "pandemic", which I realized was a scam and a sham early on that is being used to install totalitarianism, that I began to question everything I believed about health and medicine. I suggest everyone do the same. Question everything...EVERYTHING about your own BELIEFS and instead of believing, think and learn and stop being afraid. Even if covid was everything the elite tell us it is, there are fates worse than death....and hiding in fear is certainly worse. They want you to trade your life for a virtual reality on Amazon. Remember that old blues song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxgY9eEFiYM

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HornIt's avatar

Yes, all that is good perspective. So is knowing who the virus impacts the most and who it doesn't. Having the knowledge is good and can save or extend lives. Using that knowledge to instill fear and manipulate for political or personal gain obviously not good.

Anybody who has followed all this while applying healthy skepticism and critical thinking has no choice but to question things they thought they knew before this all went down. But it's also important not to throw out the babies with the bathwater. Yes, we've evolved with and lived with pathogens our whole lives. Most of them are necessary components to developing robust, healthy immune systems as we grow and age. But some should be avoided when or where possible and the immune and protective solution for some isn't the same for others. No one size fits all and certainly nobody should be forced into medical interventions they do not want or need.

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wendy broffman's avatar

Germ theory versus terrain theory...my inner jury is still out on the two theories. But covid is no worse than the flu..and that is according to the CDC's own website if you read between the lines, which says that "covid is respiratory virus caused by a "novel" coronavirus and is spread through droplets. The majority who actually become symptomatic (many never do) develop very mild to moderate illness. A few people develop severe illness and some even die." If we were not told 24/7 by the media and because people have been forced to social distance and wear masks so that it's in our faces wherever we go, we would not know there was a pandemic...that's because there isn;t ...except maybe now that they have vaccinated. A pandemic of the vaccinated because of the injection of the spike protein...it seems the vaxxes may have caused a lot of illness.

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HornIt's avatar

This is where generalities aren't that helpful because we have the data and we know now (have for a long time actually) that it depends on who you are as to whether or not COVID is better or worse than the flu. Overall, COVID does appear to be more lethal than the flu, but it's hard to know exactly how much more lethal because it is tracked and coded in ways the flu never has been. But we can look at excess mortality and we can subtract what appears to be excess deaths caused by the response to COVID (lockdowns, etc.) and still find the number pretty easily exceeds our worst flu years, such as 2017.

We know that COVID is significantly more lethal than the flu to the old, the morbidly obese and those with existing immunocompromised conditions. Its 2-3 times more lethal than the flu to those demographics. For the middle age and healthy, it's roughly the same as the flu. For the young and healthy is significantly less lethal than the flu.

We should be able to shape responses around these known facts, but that would mean allowing the vast majority of people to go on with their lives be careful around the high risk groups. Instead, the response is to force the young and healthy to shoulder the burden so that the old, the fat and the sick can feel safer even if these interventions don't actually make them safer.

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wendy broffman's avatar

You are not taking into account that the powers that be, the WHO ordered doctors to stand down and not treat covid patients with anything but teh sanctioned treatment, which was Remdesivir and ventilation, which we KNOW killed most of those treated. therefore, we cannot say that covid is more lethal than the flu, but we can say that the treatment used for covid caused mortality. Now we find thast Remdesivir is being recalled, at least that's what I heard the other day. Then we must ask WHY it was the drug of choice of Fact to treat patients said to have covid when the trials of Remdesivir had the highest numbers of deaths--around 45%--of the four drugs that were trialed.

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HornIt's avatar

I am taking those things into account. The drive to overventilate definitely killed some people early on in the response. But the WHO has no jurisdiction over American doctors. They were following the advise coming from the WHO and CDC early on because they didn't know enough yet. Never the less, you can remove the early mistakes of overventilation and shipping COVID patients back into retirement homes and it won't put a dent in the rest of the data. Indeed, we saw the difference between the lethality of the flu and COVID in the elderly when COVID ripped through those elderly care facilities like dry kindling, killing that population at rates the flu did and does not.

Remdesivir hasn't been recalled. Some batches of it that apparently were contaminated with glass particles have been. And while there has been some debate over the effectiveness of that antiviral post hospitalization, I'm not aware of anything that suggests it was responsible for killing patients. It's worst criticism, which I believe was early on, was that it simply didn't help. Some studies found it ineffective, but not actually dangerous.

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wendy broffman's avatar

Remdesivir causes renal failure and once the organs fail, the lungs fill up with fluid and of course, once the patient dies it's easy to blame it on covid-19.

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wendy broffman's avatar

In the trial I saw the data from, Remdesivir killed 45% of participants. It was used to create a pandemic

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wendy broffman's avatar

Well, we differ in the way we see things and the data we decide to rely on. Personally I am not afraid of covid. The vaccines are another story. You can choose to believe anything you want to. And that is what those orchestrating this coup hope happens.

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wendy broffman's avatar

choice of Fauci not Fact

(sorry for teh typos)

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