It absolutely is a blame game if or when you start pointing the finger at the vaxxed (or unvaxxed) as the problem and reason the virus continues to spread rather than disappear.
You want to behave like them, just taking the opposite side of the clown world coin, that's on you. You'll be about as effective at convincing them it's their fault as they've been convincing you. Good luck with that.
It absolutely is a blame game if or when you start pointing the finger at the vaxxed (or unvaxxed) as the problem and reason the virus continues to spread rather than disappear.
You want to behave like them, just taking the opposite side of the clown world coin, that's on you. You'll be about as effective at convincing them it's their fault as they've been convincing you. Good luck with that.
You wrote "But we should avoid engaging in the same kind of blame game those clowns do."
Who on the unvaxxed side has called for the vaxxed to be denied hospital access, to be force-locked-down, to be ostracized and shunned and prevented from exercising their civil rights?
We are in no way "engaging in the same kind of blame game".
Blaming the vaxxed for the spread is where that all begins. Blaming the unvaxxed for that is where the rest of the insanity that has followed, things like advocating the denial of health services, came from. Once you've identified one side or the other as the problem, all sorts of whacky justifications for dealing with said problem follow.
I don't GAS about "convincing them it's their fault," I only GAS about calling a spade a spade.
And the reason they haven't convinced me that it's my fault is because it's NOT my fault. That is not opinion; it's fact, as bad cattitude and Jeff Childers and Alex Berenson have ably and amply demonstrated.
The vaxx fanatics don't know it's their fault because they choose to only get their news from, apparently, the alphabet legacy media and Anthony Fauci who've lied to them almost from Day One. That's their choice, to remain ignorant. And that choice precludes ANYone from getting through to them, no matter how nicely you point out to them that they're ignoramuses with SFB.
Again, it's not the vaxxed fault. It's not the unvaxxed fault. It is nobody's fault that the virus does what it does.
You are attempting to argue that what's good for the goose is good for the gander, but Berenson and others who've done yeoman's work have never suggested that we should adopt the tactics of the vaccine fanatics to convince them to stand down.
Jesus, where have I even suggested "that we should adopt the tactics of the vaccine fanatics to convince them to stand down"??
Good for the gander? Never, nowhere, have I ever argued for denying hospital access to the sick vaxxed, or for running them out of town on a rail, or for shunning them from society, etc.. FFS, my own wife, stepd, daughter, SIL, and sibs are vaxxed.
You seem fixated on advancing false premises or straw men, whatever. Putting words in my mouth that I never even came close to saying.
You have been defending the idea that vaxxed should be blamed for transmission. That is clearly a 'suggestion' that adopting the tactics of the vaccine fanatics is ok.
If you are now walking that back and saying you do not defend that position, then just say so instead of skating around logical conclusions to your prior arguments.
That's not even close to true. And I don't need to walk back anything, because your claim that I favor adopting their tactics is a dishonest calumny not supportable in the least. And we know this, because when I asked "where have I even suggested..." you didn't quote anything, and instead you pulled out the "that is clearly a 'suggestion'..." dog whistle implication.
Here are my comments:
"These are very critical points that need to be made over and over and over.
To wit: if the vaxxed, regardless of how many there are, if the vaxxed are driving transmission, then WHY should we unvaxxed take the jabs??" ~ the ONLY point there is that there's no reason the unvaxxed should take the jabs.
"It's an essential argument against Chinese virus vaxxes, not against the vaxxed." ~ I could not be MORE clear that the object of my argument is NOT against the vaxxed, because I say so explicitly!
"Who on the unvaxxed side has called for the vaxxed to be denied hospital access, to be force-locked-down, to be ostracized and shunned and prevented from exercising their civil rights?" ~ no one, but then you drag out the dishonest, "well, it's what you *meant*, we all know that", a dog-whistle argument.
I'm done discussing this with you, because by repeatedly insinuating to me things not even remotely close to what I'm saying, and your refusal/inability to quote anything incriminating and instead advancing your own self-serving inferences, you continue to discuss this in bad faith.
What I've said is demonstrably true, even if you refuse to follow your own argument and defense of blaming the vaxxed with any standard of rational consistency. You joined in to debate me on a direct response to somebody claiming it was the vaxxed that spread. You came to that person and that person's argument's defense. This is an inescapable fact if you just revisit how this started.
You: "The vaxx fanatics don't know it's their fault because they choose to only get their news from, apparently, the alphabet legacy media and Anthony Fauci who've lied to them almost from Day One.
You say they don't know it's there fault because they're misinformed in one breath and deny saying you even even implied it was there fault in another.
You then proceed to accuse me if accusing you of claiming you would deny the vaxxed health services. In fact, what I SAID was the beginning of that kind of justification is the blame game. Once you've identified the problem, laid the blame, it opens up the door to justifying all sorts of responses to deal with said problem.
I have not "insinuated" anything. I've carefully responded only to what you've actually done and said. Any other inferences you make from that are your own and not attributable to me.
It absolutely is a blame game if or when you start pointing the finger at the vaxxed (or unvaxxed) as the problem and reason the virus continues to spread rather than disappear.
You want to behave like them, just taking the opposite side of the clown world coin, that's on you. You'll be about as effective at convincing them it's their fault as they've been convincing you. Good luck with that.
You wrote "But we should avoid engaging in the same kind of blame game those clowns do."
Who on the unvaxxed side has called for the vaxxed to be denied hospital access, to be force-locked-down, to be ostracized and shunned and prevented from exercising their civil rights?
We are in no way "engaging in the same kind of blame game".
Blaming the vaxxed for the spread is where that all begins. Blaming the unvaxxed for that is where the rest of the insanity that has followed, things like advocating the denial of health services, came from. Once you've identified one side or the other as the problem, all sorts of whacky justifications for dealing with said problem follow.
The problem is with the scamdemic itself...as I detailed earlier in a reply to another of you
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I don't GAS about "convincing them it's their fault," I only GAS about calling a spade a spade.
And the reason they haven't convinced me that it's my fault is because it's NOT my fault. That is not opinion; it's fact, as bad cattitude and Jeff Childers and Alex Berenson have ably and amply demonstrated.
The vaxx fanatics don't know it's their fault because they choose to only get their news from, apparently, the alphabet legacy media and Anthony Fauci who've lied to them almost from Day One. That's their choice, to remain ignorant. And that choice precludes ANYone from getting through to them, no matter how nicely you point out to them that they're ignoramuses with SFB.
Again, it's not the vaxxed fault. It's not the unvaxxed fault. It is nobody's fault that the virus does what it does.
You are attempting to argue that what's good for the goose is good for the gander, but Berenson and others who've done yeoman's work have never suggested that we should adopt the tactics of the vaccine fanatics to convince them to stand down.
Jesus, where have I even suggested "that we should adopt the tactics of the vaccine fanatics to convince them to stand down"??
Good for the gander? Never, nowhere, have I ever argued for denying hospital access to the sick vaxxed, or for running them out of town on a rail, or for shunning them from society, etc.. FFS, my own wife, stepd, daughter, SIL, and sibs are vaxxed.
You seem fixated on advancing false premises or straw men, whatever. Putting words in my mouth that I never even came close to saying.
You have been defending the idea that vaxxed should be blamed for transmission. That is clearly a 'suggestion' that adopting the tactics of the vaccine fanatics is ok.
If you are now walking that back and saying you do not defend that position, then just say so instead of skating around logical conclusions to your prior arguments.
That's not even close to true. And I don't need to walk back anything, because your claim that I favor adopting their tactics is a dishonest calumny not supportable in the least. And we know this, because when I asked "where have I even suggested..." you didn't quote anything, and instead you pulled out the "that is clearly a 'suggestion'..." dog whistle implication.
Here are my comments:
"These are very critical points that need to be made over and over and over.
To wit: if the vaxxed, regardless of how many there are, if the vaxxed are driving transmission, then WHY should we unvaxxed take the jabs??" ~ the ONLY point there is that there's no reason the unvaxxed should take the jabs.
"It's an essential argument against Chinese virus vaxxes, not against the vaxxed." ~ I could not be MORE clear that the object of my argument is NOT against the vaxxed, because I say so explicitly!
"Who on the unvaxxed side has called for the vaxxed to be denied hospital access, to be force-locked-down, to be ostracized and shunned and prevented from exercising their civil rights?" ~ no one, but then you drag out the dishonest, "well, it's what you *meant*, we all know that", a dog-whistle argument.
I'm done discussing this with you, because by repeatedly insinuating to me things not even remotely close to what I'm saying, and your refusal/inability to quote anything incriminating and instead advancing your own self-serving inferences, you continue to discuss this in bad faith.
What I've said is demonstrably true, even if you refuse to follow your own argument and defense of blaming the vaxxed with any standard of rational consistency. You joined in to debate me on a direct response to somebody claiming it was the vaxxed that spread. You came to that person and that person's argument's defense. This is an inescapable fact if you just revisit how this started.
You: "The vaxx fanatics don't know it's their fault because they choose to only get their news from, apparently, the alphabet legacy media and Anthony Fauci who've lied to them almost from Day One.
You say they don't know it's there fault because they're misinformed in one breath and deny saying you even even implied it was there fault in another.
You then proceed to accuse me if accusing you of claiming you would deny the vaxxed health services. In fact, what I SAID was the beginning of that kind of justification is the blame game. Once you've identified the problem, laid the blame, it opens up the door to justifying all sorts of responses to deal with said problem.
I have not "insinuated" anything. I've carefully responded only to what you've actually done and said. Any other inferences you make from that are your own and not attributable to me.