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Another win for "green" energy. The complete ignorance being espoused here by most politicians actually exceeds the nonsense they were embracing during Covid.

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It truly does and frankly the CO2 agenda is poised to make the harm inflicted by the covid containment seem quaint.

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It's all part of the orchestrated takedown of humanity.

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I think the goal is a systematic take down of freedom and independence.

The rest of humanity will go down as a result. But that's more a consequence than a goal IMO.

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No. They want us dead. That’s their goal. 500,000 people on the planet is what they’re shooting for. Going for an extinction-level die off.

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^^^That. Maybe with an extra three zeroes. Or maybe with no zeroes. Who knows. And they've got a lot of redundancy and plausible deniability built into The Plan.

https://themariachiyears.substack.com/p/fourth-covid-vaccine-dose-needed?s=w

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Yeah, you’re right. Add three zeros. They’re shooting for a population of a half billion. I think that’s per the Georgia Guidstones. Planned long ago and in deep detail.

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500,000,000

(Half a billion)

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Yeah, you’re right Doctor Yeadon. My bad. And I thank you for the correction—coming from you it adds a lot of credibility to the statement.

And I thank you especially for sounding the alarm so many months ago about the nefarious jab program.

And I’ve been wanting to know about your bike in the videos from back then. Is that a Triumph Bonneville?

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I’ve posted this before, but it seems worth repeating. From GH Lang’s work on Revelation, which he published in 1948, in the section on chapter 6 and the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: “It will be a dreadfully depopulated earth over which the Beast will reign and to which Messiah will later return”.

In my understanding, the first has ridden. The second and third are just beginning their campaigns. The fourth is too dreadful to contemplate. But there’s no stopping them. All we can do is persevere and prepare as we’re able. And, of course, seek the protection of the Almighty.

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One other thing - the population trend today is akin to the days of Noah. How much different is the state of men's hearts today than then?

The majority of this country has forsaken God. We should not expect much of a different outcome when we are ruled by the same mindset that was in Sodom and Gomorrah.

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There are many indicators pointing to this age coming to an end—things we can see that fit well with prophetic and apocalyptic writings.

So the storm Jesus talked about that would test the structural soundness of each persons “house”—whether it is built on sand or on the rock—is bearing down on us as we live and breathe.

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We largely concur in interpreting the horsemen.

Of note, the “sword” of the second horseman is a “machaira”, a type of sword associated with Western armies in john’s day. The fourth horseman welds a “romphaia”, something like a scimitar, a curved sword associated with Eastern warfare.

I think the type of sword indicates action against the societies associated with that sword. As when David took a census and an angel struck 70,000 in Israel.

If that is so, then the West—which is very obviously suffering asymmetrical attack at present—will see war and/or mayhem with devastating outcomes.

The Greek for “bow” is “toxon”, whence “toxin” and “toxic” for the reasons you cited. Poison shots.

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"A fiery Red horse that can take peace from the earth and make people kill each other: "

This is likely communism at large. It is marching forward in very successful steps toward power. And it kills, no doubt.

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Yes. Never take a Leftist at face value. Hidden agendas. As David Horowitz says, "Inside every Leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out."

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https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/modernas-2013-patent-on-furin-cleavage?s=w

tl; dr - Pfizer defrauded the US Government through the clinical trials for the pharmaceutical product sold to and marketed by the US government as a “safe and effective Covid-19 vaccine;” the US Government knew it was being defrauded no later than Sept. 17, 2020; the US Government covered up the fraud for Pfizer and continued to purchase, market and mandate the fraudulent, deadly and ineffective pharmaceutical product.

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Love your screen name!

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I think they know perfectly well that what they’ve said cannot work for EVs AT THE CURRENT POPULATION.

It would be fine with far fewer people.

The US politicians in Washington all get very, very wealthy.

Lobbying groups spend enormous sums in Washington.

I’m sure there’s no linkage. At all. Because that would be prostitution.

Perhaps WEF have promised them all golden tickets to the post depopulation agenda?

I cannot see why else they’d have gone along with the Covid fakery, which has the objective of installing a control grid, consisting of digital ID (aka Vaxpass) & digital money (aka CBDC).

Why do that, at huge cost in blood & treasure?

I can only see a depopulation agenda, using pandemics & “vaccines”.

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They intend for only a few to have the freedom of a car. Everyone else is walking or on public transport. They know perfectly well EVs cannot replace the entire fleet as it exists, thats why they like them so much.

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On the WEF website, under The Fourth Industrial Revolution (4IR), their idea of "sustainable transportation" is bicycles.

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Green energy means there is no energy.

Feature, not a bug.

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"YOU HAVE DESTROYED MY DREAMS AND MY CHILDHOOD! HOW DARE YOU!"

"sorry miss greta, i am working as fast as i can to dig the cobalt for your electric car battery"

signed,

gatito bueno

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of course it all depends on the dreams. If she wants a fourth jab, it is coming, according to CNN. I immediately banned them from my news feed again!

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"If she wants a fourth jab, it is coming"

100%. Less for me, more for her. haha

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The more jabs, the merrier & likely more deadly or at least damaging. If that’s what some want, “your body, your choice”…you can’t fix stupid

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CNN? Whats that? 🤔

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Communist National Narrative.

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Oh how could we forget Miss Greta's Prius, with all the plastic wrappers inside.

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Or all the masks. All 130 billion of them going into the ocean floating around for hundreds of years with microplastics going into the food supply. haha

https://t.me/goddek/1120

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Also the billions of syringes, needles, swabs, hand sanitizer bottles, etc.

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Yes. The amount of medical waste was already astronomical before all this crap. Can you imagine what it is now?!

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Those “at home tests” ha!

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...but, but, plastic straws, forks, and stir sticks are banned in BC as of 2023. meanwhile the BC govt is now handing out home test kits 'for free.'

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Sooo in Star Trek, which I watched as a kid and young adult, there was always this idea that man is evolving to a higher plane.....

Sorry, just not seeing that 🤦‍♀️.

Something about de-evolution.....

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Makes me sick to think about it.

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Me too.

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Or millions of plastic bags reintroduced to supermarkets because of 'fomites' that were proven not to exist a couple of weeks later.

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Fomites do exist. It's just a fancy term for a tiny particle that may harbor pathogens. What is relevant here is that SARS-CoV-2 (the virus) is primarily an airborne disease. While it's possible* to catch it from surfaces, that is probably about as likely as you catching airborne cholera.

*"Possible" in the sense of one willing a big lottery jackpot, or being hit by a falling meteorite. Happens, sure, but quite rarely.

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In a health food store—of all places—I saw last week a checkout person fully masked and gloved. If they cannot understand that wellness is an “inside job,” who will?

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Yes. I was a loyal Traitor Joe's shopper for 20+ years. They destroyed that. Not that they care, they get plenty of covid subsidy money.

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I was also a loyal Trader Joe’s customer until they tried to force me to use a “ special cart” that ID’d me as “ different “ since I had a medical exemption . As a Jew who lost half my family in the camps I had to refuse snd explain how “ othering “ people worked out before. Sickening

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Wonder why the "climate change" people didn't see that coming? wink, wink.

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Oh yeah, total surprise!

Shock and awe

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My suburban city government has proudly announced that they're preparing to switch the police department over to an all-electric fleet of patrol cars. So that'll be fun.

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I want to see Biden, Kerry and all the other EV nuts flying around in planes with electric batteries.

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I can’t wait for the gigantic battery-powered cargo ships.

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They will, one day, insist in going back to sailing ships. Giant sailing cargo ships!

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I think that's the only way really. Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but it is the future.

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Even if a decision were made to return to sailing ships, there might not be enough wood to build them. Not a joke. Wood is technically a renewable resource, but in general it doesn't get renewed very well. Even in the pre-oil age, shortages of trees suitable for ship building was a frequent problem.

Overall, the core problem is that there are, in fact, too many people. The devil is in the details on how to get down to the right number, or even what that number is. It's a problem that no one likes to discuss. It's almost as if the fruit flies that live in the glass jar think that the jar and the food and water will continue to expand forever, world without end, Amen.

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I can’t disagree, but that’s not the expected condition. Never mentioned in mainstream media, but expected population will befalling hard by mid 21st century. Jordan Peterson worked for years on a UN panel & this was their conclusion. The key is enabling women in relation to birth control & education and therefore economic prospects improve.

Elon Musk also points out the same trends.

I believe we can manage the next few decades.

Don’t fall for the lies that “humans are like a cancer on the face of the earth” and impliedly “we need to get rid of billions of people”.

Jordan Peterson: “That statement is the most genocidal stance possible without actually doing it”.

Those who have fallen for the “there are too many people” line, what do you plan to do about that, exactly? Forced sterilisation? Or something more spectacular?”

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I haven't "fact checked" it, but I heard an interview with someone recently (can't remember the name ( that claims he has read documents that plan for NO cargo ships and NO air travel. I need to look into that.

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Our Air Force and Tanks….

God help us.

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LMAO, touche!

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Right!!!! Good one!!!!

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So are they going to armour the battery compartment? Because break that and you have one Heck of a toxic car-b-cue. A bump from driving across a curb and the casing hitting the ground and cracking is enough.

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Not so much a bomb (explosive) as a reasonable stand-in for an incendiary device.

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How very Californian. Allow shoplifting, theft, etc and provide vehicles to police that won't be capable of apprehending sispects

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thats the whole plan....

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Apprehending suspects? Don’t you mean apprehending Democrats! Lol

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Guess your town is looking to get some "me first" award. My gas car can outrun any EV.

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Not a Porsche Taycan.

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But a Porsche Macan can.

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haha surely that'll make them much easier to outrun?

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Limit your crimes to blackout periods, and you'll be good. But I suppose they'll have a bunch of diesel generators to keep the all-green-energy fleet up and running.

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“APB, crime in progress at 18th and interstate, all units approach with caution”.

“Sorry we cant, the cars are being charged”.

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"Try to ask him to stop shooting, and we'll be there this evening."

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Lol

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cant wait to see how that works out for them.

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Just a relentless, unending clusterf*#k. 🙄

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It really is a laugh a minute. I never thought I would witness a national nervous breakdown but here we are! Now, mental health problems on a singular level are tragic, but at a societal level they're actually funny AF! Seriously, Monty Python level humor.

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It's funny unless you live here and don't align with the bs. The last two years have been--in addition to absurdly funny--terrifying, w/r/t bodily autonomy, job prospects, freedom of association, freedom of movement. I've not complied with everything I can not comply with, and I'm applying to jobs out of state where I will be voting more conservative and libertarian than most, but honestly, if you look at CA as the test case for WEF-type top-down INSANE "emergency"-powers-fueled mandates that are only about controlling the plebs and enriching the un-elected proto-fascists, funny takes a back seat to total despair for humanity. Between the people who enact the bullshit, and the people here who go along with it, no questions asked??? Discouraging.

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I do live here and do not buy in. That said, we are in the midst of a fourth turning and it's really spectacular. Amusing. And tragic.

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Agree, tragic esp.

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Agree 100%. Having finished RFK Jr.'s Fauci book, he lays out the best summary of background evidence for the who, what, where, how and (maybe) why of the pandemic. Even allowing that his is a biased viewpoint, he lays out hundreds of sources for a reader to verify and decide for himself. It's scary enough that regulatory, legal and technological (e.g. medical intervention) frameworks were in place well before 2019. There were multiple "simulations" of pandemics, some remarkably close to what actually started in 2019. At best, we have a nebulous group of petty tyrants (call them the Deep State for now) that responded to an opportune crisis, to arrogate yet more political clout and also for enormous financial gain. At worst, one could make a fairly strong case that the pandemic was deliberately started with an engineered virus, one that would not be too deadly, but an "emergency" that the controlled media could push, fanning the flames of public panic, all justifying various measures that favor the managerial state but that necessarily are corrosive to traditional concepts of liberty. After reading the book, I lean heavily towards a deliberate conspiracy -- something even I, a student of conspiracies -- would have labeled "crackpot" just a few months earlier.

Memo to the Watchers: Yes, I'm now 100% in the "tin foil hat" category. You guys are evil and guilty until proven innocent.

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I read about people in Ukraine telling relatives in Russia about what the Russians were doing in Ukraine. The relatives in Russia refused to believe it. Amazing how people everywhere want to believe their government's lies.

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Are those Ukrainians eye witnesses? Or just repeating what their govt is telling them?

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I've seen video interviews on the ground in Ukraine in which the Ukrainians that live there flat out disbelieve it as well!

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And the adage that as California goes, so goes the nation. It’s hard to believe but look where the rest of us find ourselves

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The energy policy for the last 2 decades can only be described as insanity.

The #1 user of jet fuel

The #1 user of gasoline

They import 90% of all natural gas

They run roughly 29% short on power generation annually

They will be decommissioning the last nuclear plant in 30 months.

They have created an incentive for power companies to shut down power in broad areas due to fire risk...sometimes for DAYS!

They have been reducing baseline power generation by back filling any shortage with expensive power generated in neighboring states - so long as it's not coal generated.

The state motto should be an oath to NIMBYism.

Now with this background, now think how they are outlawing the sales of new gasoline powered vehicles in the state in 8 short years. They can't just say nevermind shortly before the deadline. They will be locked in.

Now take the message in the meme and amplify it by an exponential factor. The only way you will be able to reliably charge an EV in the CA of the future is to have a house equipped with a solar powered battery wall so you can eliminate the insanity of the state. In other words, only if you can AFFORD such luxury.

And this is the vision the current admin has for the country. Be more like California. What do you think happens if Gavin Newsom gets installed in the WH?

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God does have a sense of humor. Like when he sent that cargo ship of electric porsches and bentleys to the bottom of the ocean after the electric batteries set the ship on fire. Classic!

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Babylon here we come!

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[Nietzsche fan obliged to insert famous quip:]

"In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."

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Other than the consequences for the rest of us. These psychos have all levers of power right now. Look what they’ve done in just 1 year

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As I told my wife a couple weeks ago, “The Biden administration is one rooster short of a clusterf*#k.” I think they’re there now.

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It's Kalifornication, what do you expect. Although, with all the people fleeing the state, you might think it'd take some stress off the grid.

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Think border. And CA is a sanctuary state.

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Our crappy for profit privatized electrical system is garbage.

Yep, and solar and wind don't displace conventional plants.

Why not?

Well since they can drop out, there needs to be generation to pick up the load

Only dummies believe that we have storage, not even Tesla's bullshit huge battery substation in South Australia can handle a long dip.

So anyway, big power plants need to be kept idling to spin up quickly if needed, wasted fuel.

Or they use smaller peaker plants which are much less efficient than the big ones.

I'm against pollution, but solar and wind just add pollution especially if you count the chemicals and rare minerals taking a lot of energy and work...

Battery technology is not as good as they expected, remember it's similar to your cellphone batteries, but to create motion requires much much more energy than processors and screens

Gas has a much higher energy density by weight and size, which is why the huge Tesla battery pack is equal to only 10 gallons or so of gasoline lol

Ev is dumb, hybrid is a good thing (even Ferrari uses it).

Remember all of this tech is brought to you by the morons that believe in nonsense virus theory and pharma who can't cure fuck all, but you got 15 drugs for diabetes etc

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And there is not a drop of oil used in production of an EV, right? LOL

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Or every other damn product on the planet

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Hey Robert Rob. It is so easy to disagree with everything you say! All you have to do is repeal the Laws of Thermodynamics and replace them with fairy dust and off you go merrily driving down the street in your electromobile. Stop to recharge? Never! Just sprinkle some fairy dust around and away you go.

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Unicorn farts... some PhD from Harvard just proved that they are carbon-negative ;-)

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This is why people who are for green energy but anti-nuclear deserve all of the cringe they get.

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Typical, blame an industry wrecked by political bullshit on the industry, not the politics. And the answer is always “we need more politicians involved!”

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If you don’t eat the bugs and take your tenth jab, we’ll turn off the power to your overpriced pod and toy car.

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I wish I thought you were joking!

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Should we call this positive or negative reinforcement or just "forcing".

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everything progressives touch turns to poo

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Then they move into neighboring states and ruin those, too.

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I can attest, as a native of Arizona

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Texas too. People, stay in Calif if that’s what you want, keep it there.

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Unfortunately, too late for that. Look @ AZ last election & think of all the Californians et al flooding our western states, NY-ers flooding FL - not to mention illegals flooding everywhere….

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In some ways it’s the Florida situation that bums me the most. I think it’s vecause it’s been a model of openness and now.... they’ll just vote out the good ones and make it a mini calif. I’m in Tx.

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I agree. I’m in NM (former AZ native) & we worry about TX too. Nothing to be done about my deep blue state (1 party rule forever) but it seems like the big TX cities are turning blue & like everywhere else, they end up overrunning the rural red parts of any state.

They also want to destroy DeSantis because FL’s success flies in the face of every bad & evil policy. Plus 2024…

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🙌🎯

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My battery car is going to have a windmill on it! Perpetual nonsense!

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You should patent that! The ACME folks have customers waiting.

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I think someone did, a while ago. USPTO apparently has not heard of the laws of thermodynamics.

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Last year during my "debate the Green Energy (and EV) lunatics" period 😁, among other discoveries, I calculated that if one covered the roof of a typical car with solar cells, even under the best conditions, one would collect enough electricity to drive about 5 miles per day.

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If you live in the desert, in a tropical zone, and don't use AC, yes, I think you could get 5 miles out of the solar panel area you could have in the roof of your car.

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It would be funny if it weren’t so frustratingly tragic.

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You've missed the point.

Gas cost upwards of $10/gal is a desired outcome and a designed feature of the current administration policy. Biden promised to punish users of fossil fuels, and so it is being done.

The naive and minimally informed believe this is to "save the environment" by forcing everyone into "green" practices (which in fact, if considered in total life cycle impacts, are not very friendly to the environment). This fantasy is based on so many false assumptions it is impossible to think the policy actions are simple ignorance. Nope, think it through. Mobility enables freedom. It isn't about getting you into EVs so much as to take away your ability to independent transportation decisions. The EV charging "crisis" is but one symptom.

The EV alternative is the classic in regressive politics: the wealthiest minority benefit while the middle class majority pay for it. And the lower-middle and poor are left without alternatives. In the last decade utility fees have escalated to support infrastructure build out to support EV charging (obviously not enough), so that the relatively few can feel good, while the rest pay for these costs in higher rates (that's how utility capex is recovered). Consider also which economic class has the resources to spend $100k to replace an aged but functional gasoline vehicle with an EV that has more limitations that negatively impact their lifestyle. So the "incentive" (ridiculously high fuel prices) impact the poor and middle class much more than the wealthy. The definition of "regressive"...

But here in CA, our governor bankrupted the utility providers to divert accountability for the disasters caused by his disastrous policies regarding forest mismanagement (which BTW caused thousands of deaths and 100s of billions in loses for the victims of this idiocy). That slowed build-out. So now we have people depending on the grid for basic transportation, and being told by the governor "just don't go anywhere today".

The same governor that ordered us to stay home for 2 years by edict. Hm...see a pattern here?

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You get to go where the government-run bus or train goes. Don't like it? Ride a bicycle. Can't carry your shit on a bicycle? Tough. Maybe you have too much shit. We can help you with that.

Yep. It's about taking away your ability to move freely.

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They want everyone in tiny rat-holes in giant cities. They want everyone to live like the peasants in Europe do.

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They're welcome to try. 😊

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And if you don't have much shit at your pantry, you depend on us at every crisis we create

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Hence why I fill my pantry myself.

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So does $12 a gallon.

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Wind and solar are barely energy positive on a life cycle basis, meaning, without fossil fuel (and China's slave labor), they don't supply enough energy to replicate while supplying significant energy to the grid that they parasitize with unreliable loading. The delusion of wind and solar is essentially a baby soother pacifying the Eloi while big green maneuvers their captured politicians into making the personal automobile economically beyond the declining middle class. Once ICE vehicles are done, expect big green to "discover" that Lithium mining along with all the other inputs are environmentally unacceptable.

The developed world's prosperity is entirely dependent on fossil fuels while the rest of the planet's population depends on fossil fuels for bare existence. The only path forward that includes continued or increased prosperity that is capable of replacing fossil fuels is nuclear power. When big green is against nuclear power, it confirms the game plan of reduced prosperity for the west and reduced population everywhere else. Notice that Russia and China aren't playing along with the plan of those bankrupt, woke, welfare / warfare western nations increasingly under the thumbs of the Davos crowd.

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Which is why, I suspect, there is such vehement hatred for Putin and Russia and to a lesser degree, China.

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You ignore that another option is the "path backward." It's not most people's first choice, for obvious reasons. 😡

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India as well. The entire US population could disappear, and the dreaded CO2 global emissions will not go down. Even using their hypotheticals with CO2 and temp, the global temp difference in the scenario above in 50 years would be -.1

It's all BS. Every last bit of it.

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Yes, the entire suicidal obsession with CAGW and cultural Marxist / post modern nihilism is a pathology of Western Europe and the anglosphere minus India. Essentially the prosperous but morally and fiscally bankrupt billion versus the 6 billion others who prefer gaining prosperity before destroying it.

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You're right on all accounts. The only 'powers that be' fighting Davos right now are Putin, Xi and Trump. I would not be surprised if the three of them have something going on right now, that nobody else knows about. Unlikely allies, and won't be forever; but first they have to get rid of the Davos/WEF Great Reset plans. Then it's game on.

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We are living in 'Looney Tune' Times. The left and its magical thinking are going to doom us.

A bit from: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/03/13/house-democrats-cancel-looming-embarrassment/

"How many tons of metals, minerals, ores and overburden will be required overall for wind turbines, solar panels, battery modules, transformers and transmission lines in an all-electricity Green New Deal economy? How much fossil fuel energy to do all this work? Where will the mining, processing and manufacturing take place? (Alaska, California and Colorado? Or China, Russia and Africa?)

"How much environmental destruction, and child and slave labor, will be involved? What will these materials cost, as demand surges? How much land and wildlife will be impacted by the mining, factories, and industrial wind, solar and battery installations as far as the eye can see?

"Green New Dealers don’t have a clue, and don’t care. They also figure they will be exempted from the “inconveniences.” We will be the ones paying. We ought to care. The amounts are truly mind-boggling."

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>>> "How many tons of metals, minerals, ores and overburden will be required overall for wind turbines, solar panels, battery modules, transformers and transmission lines in an all-electricity Green New Deal economy? How much fossil fuel energy to do all this work?

Fucking this. What almost no one I talk to about this realizes is that solar cells and batteries USE PETROLEUM in their manufacture, USE MORE PETROLEUM being shipped from Asia which is the only place they're currently made, and DON'T PRODUCE MORE ENERGY over their lifetime than they cost to manufacture.

They don't even accomplish their stated goals, and this drives me insane. This is the same madness-inducing circular arguments as COVID where everything is hinged upon unassailable assumptions that aren't true and you go around in circles fighting about whose "peer-reviewed research" is the real facts.

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These numbnuts don’t just miss the fact that fossil fuels provide the energy to make their green technologies - crude is also the basis for basically every single other thing about modern life and longevity, such as medicine, fertilizer, lubricants, elastomer seals, precursor chemicals to most manufacturing processes, nearly all plastics… the list is endless. You can’t just “stop using oil”, oil is used for *everything*.

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Now, let me be clear, I'm very hopeful that we can develop synthetic alternatives to dino juice, because it IS ultimately a finite resource- but not because it's icky.

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It's not possible. It's been a cheap source of energy for the world but it's finite. If you want to get the oil out of rape seed you'll expend about 20% more oil in the production of it. If you want to burn wood you'll need to cover the planet in wood and pursue the current policy of population reduction. If you want to source it from animal offcuts well we'll need another several billion cattle.

Best not to squander it driving to the corner store with your good ol' pick-up.

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I don't. We have a relatively low-mileage utility vehicle for heavy loads and a diesel truck. I have a relatively modern sedan we use for tooling around.

I don't give a crap what they run on. I wish biodiesel had taken off (though I understand why it didn't). Hell, I'd use a hydrogen cell if they got costs down.

I just want to be able to go where I want when I want.

I'm on your side as regards conservation. But your notion of taking away personal transport except for incidental toys like bicycles from the entire population is horrifying.

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The only way to synthesize all this stuff is to put a Hell of a lot of energy into it - as plants did for hundreds of millions of years via the sun. That energy source is going to have to be nuclear - there is no other feasible source. So anyone who is serious about such a thing better be out pounding podiums right now insisting that we start building the hundreds of new nuclear plants that will be needed to accomplish this feat.

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That suits me fine, which is why I know anyone who's simultaneously against nuclear and for carbon zero is completely full of shit.

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I'm okay with losing the lipid nanoparticles.

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Your comments are generally true. However, I did some quick research last year and concluded that only about one-tenth of petroleum is used for purposes other than energy production. In other words, even if we found free or nearly free limitless energy (say, workable nuclear fusion), we would still have the need for petroleum feed stocks (but they would last much longer!) Until Star Trek like technology ("Replicators") become available, we are still bound by those darn laws of physics.

It's no exaggeration to say that modern civilization is entirely dependent upon fossil fuels.

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Crude oil isn’t a homogeneous substance. The part that’s fractured off for making fertilizer isn’t the same part used for fuel. When it was first tapped and used in industrial processes, gasoline was considered too dangerous to use as a fuel, and it wasn’t useful for anything else, so they dumped it on the ground or in rivers.

In other words, as we use it for all the other things besides energy, what do you propose we do with the part that we use for energy?

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Pretty much all of it can be used to make basic industrial chemicals, from which pretty much all carbon-based modern products are made: plastics, drugs, etc. Refineries can make light stock from heavy (by cracking) and heavy from light. Efficiencies vary, but are much less important when making high-value chemicals.

The hydrocarbon most important for making fertilizer is methane, used primarily to fix nitrogen into ammonia and then urea and ammonium nitrate. Potassium and phosphorus are 'minerals' i.e. little organic material in them or used to process them. Mostly they use sulfuric acid, which is a by-product of sweetening sour natural gas, and sour crude oil. 'Sour' here means containing sulfur which is corrosive in refineries etc.

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Medicine aye?

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Of course! Start researching what products go into petroleum and people will be amazed. Here's a link to a list of over 6,000 items -- aspirin is even a by-product.

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I know! It's a miracle substance.

I recently looked into what goes into synthetic motor oil (stuff like PAG, mind, so the pedants don't all pounce at once). It's possible! But, as with so-called "renewables," the energy involved in manufacture is high.

We NEED to go nuclear.

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"With the price of electricity spiraling out of control, we need Flintstone technology by 2050!"

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I don't think my feet can handle it!

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At least we'll get in 10,000+ steps a day!

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Don't you mean "...we will have..."?

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California is a joke, wonder if the governor and his posse know how stupid they are.

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I think they know how stupid most Californians are.

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at least the low lying leftist fruit.

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stupid?

they live like royalty in massive wealth with a different servant for every need, private jets and private islands, with unopposed power, a docile populace and a slavish state media...

they must know sumthin!

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They are mouthpieces for the real power. They are paid well for it. Doesn't make them smart, most were just born into the right families.

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Governor is a WEF puppet. He's paid not to think, just carry out the agenda.

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sure is! even if he was not paid, thinking is not in his repertoire!

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Arrogance, stupidity, and Dem Cheat Machine (so effective) is a disaster for us serfs in California.

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my heart hurts for those of you in cali that are of sound mind and body.

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Stupid people never know how stupid they are.

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some do but they keep yammering on for attention! this admin is way past stupid tho...

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Well, they’re getting rich while the folks voting for them are being cast into the pit, so who’s the idiot?

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Not us, but we appear to be outnumbered. Hope that's only an illusion.

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Oh just wait till the grid goes diwn all together. They will be in no better shape then us fossil fuel guzzlers!

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Don't they already have rolling brown or black outs whatever they are called now in California or can't I say those colors as someone might be offended? Rolling loss of power, how's that?

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I think they are bring renamed rolling government interventions. Just 14 days to...you know!

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Thank you for that. Not very creative today.

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We lost power for 14 days in early January. Had to run our gasoline powered generator, and it cost $600 for the gas for that period.

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Wait a few years that will at least triple...good thing you weren't on the road in an EV at the time!

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I'm in LA. While I hear about rolling outages they always seem to be in some other part of the state. Haven't had an outage in my area in 10+ years, realistically, it's likely closer to 15 years.

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You live in CA and u subscribe to the smartest kitten in the world?

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What can I say? My cats made me do it.

In reality, there still exist average, independent sane thinkers in CA. We're just greatly outnumbered. And often homeschool our kids.

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Good kitties.....

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@The Motherland:

Same here. The only time I've seen an outage in the last few years is if a transformer blew up. Any outage seems to be very short lived. Maybe the LA area is prioritized for political reasons, I don't know.

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I had a friend in San Diego area who told me about the rolling blackouts which is why I stated this.

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Intersectional POCs (power outages of color)?

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Lol just a soft and fuzzy warning about times to come. No matter the manipulation, there are always the warning advertisements. Oil is freedom - electricity is handcuffs.

All part of the control agenda. They will make oil and gas unavailable and simply cut off electric as they deem necessary.

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To be fair, they need the energy to keep all the covid-shots refrigerated. They're getting ready to peddle a fourth one...

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Buy cars that depend on the grid. Which depends on fossil fuels. And which is not dependable in California—and even in Texas these days.

What a perfect way to control the public. Force them to buy electric cars, then shut down the grid.

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Gosh, gatito, I wonder where they get the power for the charging stations?

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Maybe they hooked up dynamo's to make electricity from all their backpedalling?

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My brother and I had the idea of driving around with a gas generator on the back of our pickup offering to recharge people's EVs. Only $5/gal. Win-win.

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Do it! And film the reactions!

During december we had what the liberal press called snowstorms - known to normal people as winter - and the highways were choked while waiting for the plows. Meaning all the city-CHUDS going on holidays got stuck with depowered cars since they run their heat from the battery and Elon & pals didn't design their toy cars with -25C and up to 30m/sec wind shears on top in mind.

So the plows couldn't get through due to dozens of Tesla's clogging the roads. Civil defence had to put in with tracked vehicles, shunting the cars off the road and evacuate the loafer-wearing numbnuts driving them.

And the media? Despite people posting clips of dozens of electrical cars jamming the highway, claimed "one or two" electrical vehicles experienced brief power trouble due to lack of charging stations.

The look of a PC-elite member of the Cult of St. Greta, rainbow sticker proudly on display, when a big honkin' diesel tow truck driven by a burly bearded white man with a big cross pendant has to rescue the soy-toy and his fellow NPCs... oh, it's enough to make forget my age. Schadenfreude is the one true joy, as we say here.

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That’s the beauty of the upcoming EV pickups - they can carry their own generator and jerrycans in the tray.

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Sssshhh.....John Kerry doesn't want anyone to ask about that little inconvenient truth.

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no one asked to live in interesting times but here we are

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You got that right.

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Hilarious. Seeing really funny stuff out of clueless Cali.

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My SIL has an EV, and here in Northern CA in early January snow storms we had a 2 week power outage. Guess what....she couldn't recharge her stupid car. Boo hoo hoo.

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Tell her to buy a gas or diesel generator for the next time.

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And let's hope that cluelessness doesn't infect the rest of the US. Keep that stuff on the west coast. You be the guinea pig California.

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I've lived in CA (in the mountains, no less) for 33 years. There were almost NEVER any power outages until maybe 5 years ago. The outages are due to increased reliance on solar and wind power, which doesn't cut it. Our power company (PG&E) raised rates 9% this year and I just heard they will further raise rates 30-40% NEXT year. Yeah, that green energy stuff works really well.

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That is funny because I lived in SF around the time of Enron fun and we had plenty o' rolling blackouts. Course, if I were gonna cut the power and my choices were rural vs urban CA? Well...just sayin'....

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Not enough load is shed by bringing down rural areas. Urban areas need to be blacked out ( Gee, that’s fascist, isn’t it) to shed enough load, quickly, to prevent an unstable grid from collapsing. All power companies have learnt this lesson from the 2016 South Australian grid collapse. If rural regions are being blacked out, then things really are dire but a grid is something that works until it doesn’t.

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Too late! They are ruining Texas, Idaho and Florida.

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Yep, because that's what "they" do. They say they are conservatives, but when they get to their new state, they're all, "Well, this is how we did it in Kalifornia." "This is how Kalifornia does it." "Kalifornia did it best." Then they vote for the sh!t they said they hated and screw the new state all to he!!. AND then complain!

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That’s already started a long time ago in Texas. Esp in the cities.

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the excuse for these things is wrong, and the solutions do not work!

technology goes to market when it meets a "need" which creates "demand" and can do so 'reliably', safely, and 'affordably'.

ev, pv and wind do not meet a broad need and are not reliable nor affordable.

it is called system science and tech that don't meet system science need propaganda and subsidy. see texas last year neither make useful products.

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I know someone marooned in Quackifornia, who tells me they often get an 'alert' message on their iPhone evening/night ("peak usage hours") that recharging their phone has been scheduled for 7:00am next morning. Turn off wi-fi, locations, activate 'airplane mode' and can slip past the meter monitors.

"Everything woke turns to shit" and that is evidently true of 'public utilities' like PG&E who were intentionally bankrupted to force a new 'ownership' scheme giving kleptocrats access to the levers of control... and a three-tier rate scam that is fleecing the citizens.

San Onofre NPP offline for years and left for We The People to clean up, now Diablo Canyon NPP offline while the wokesters hold public meetings to fluff their green energy wet dreams on a completely gaslit and clueless populace....

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Is this for real? Are minor appliances already on some type of smart grid where their use or charging is regulated by outside authority? I can already see major problems with that. Not the least is that if your IPhone has to start charging at 7 AM, it may not be very charged when you have to leave for work at 08:00 AM. Same analysis applies to one's Telsa.

On the one hand, centralized control makes some sense, to manage high-demand usage during peaks. But portable electronics? They must be an insignificant percent of total demand.

I agree with your "everything woke" opinion, but would amend it to include "Nearly anything a government mandates..."

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It's for real. I've seen it personally. The house has a SmartMeter, and the charging station (and computers etc.) was attached to an APC UPS battery backup. That may have something to do with the AI intrusion on charge time. My thoughts exactly about your phone made to be left uncharged until 'they' say OK –– what of emergency 911? or other unexpected events

I also witnessed that particular *outlet* get spiked, which shut down everything plugged into, and including the UPS unit. (The battery backup failed as if switched off.) But NOT the rest of the outlets on that electrical circuit. Smart-Grid indeed. All-knowing, all-seeing, all-pervasive.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/apc-ups-zero-day-bugs-can-remotely-burn-out-devices-disable-power/

“It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society”

~ Jiddu Krishnamurti

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And last year, wind power failed Texas. Seems like someone should think these things through before bungee-jumping into the abyss.

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Thinking would require common sense, rationality, morality. None of that in evidence w/ our “betters”

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It needs time. But we should nevertheless stop pumping shit into the biosphere as fast as we can. EVs are a shit idea though.

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Harvesting energy from the Earth's electromagnetic field is the place to start. Tesla showed us the way, but JP Morgan and cronies made sure everybody on the planet was/is plugged in through a meter instead. Middle-man predator capitalism at it's finest. Endless 'revenue stream' for [them] endless pay-to-play 'user fees' and taxes for the rest of us.

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just another "lockdown"....

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B I N G O! All in the name of the environment when it's really all about control. What a trip.

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It's like a a trip, bad acid trip, the floor will buckle, the walls will drip. You'll lose your grip and flip your shit, and go screaming down the hallway! 🤪

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Fitting description of today's timeline far to often.

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Frantz Kafka couldn't have written it better...

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Remember when Katrina knocked out the power to NOLA hospitals and the nurses were trying to keep preemies alive by manual means?

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funny, the part I remember is the doctors and nurses "euthanizing" the patients they couldn't evacuate....

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Did that happen? 😳

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Yes it did in a few cases. Murder charges were sought against at least one or two doctors. In a rare case of common sense, the grand jury decided not to convict. We can all sit on our moral high horses now if we like, but it's a harsh fact that in times of crisis sometimes a physician needs to make a tough judgment call like whether to allow a patient to die an agonizing death or to take the last few hours of his life with a compassionate overdose of a narcotic.

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What?! You mean they want to force people into "green energy" when there isn't the infrastructure for such bs?! Can't believe it. It's just a clever way to shift wealth and destroy the American dream.

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Several weeks ago a guy who knows a little something about EVs said that there is not enough electrical generating capacity in the US for all gas/diesel powered vehicles become comparable electrical vehicles. Wish I could remember his name! Oh yeah: Elon Musk.

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On a similar note: "Gavin Newsom Thankful As Fleeing Californians Can No Longer Afford To Fill Up Their U-Hauls"

https://babylonbee.com/news/gavin-newsom-thankful-as-fleeing-californians-can-no-longer-afford-to-fill-up-their-u-hauls

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You vil own an electric vehicle and you will be unable to go anywhere, and you vil be happy.

This also reminds me of my housemate from University who used to cheat at Twenty Questions. For example, he a whale is a mode of transport. In the same vein, an EV is also a handy form of housing I would assume.

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I'd love to see one of the elites living in their Tesla.

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Given their propensity to randomly explode, I wholeheartedly agree.

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LOL YESSSSS

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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, eh don't matter when you work for the corporate state - it's not your money being squandered.

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EVs are a catfishing operation. They will never be cheap enough for the majority of people, and if they did ever become so, there will be no energy to charge them.

Demand management is the future, and in this world there is no place for ICEs that people can just use at will without control from above.

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The idea that green energy will cool the planet comes from the same origin as the idea that masks will contain covid.

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'green energy' is an oxymoron. anyone with half a mind should be able to figure that out. the carbon myth makes me crazy, but it certainly is a nice cash cow. we're now just a few years in to a grand solar minimum, which means, on average, the earth is cooling, not warming. but, don't tell that to the mask wearers. they'll never believe you anyway....

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Recall that, according to the “greens”, banning nuclear power is a good way to address climate change.

Note that nuclear power doesn’t emit carbon, and that climate change is really a minor and manageable problem.

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If they really want to switch to EVs, somebody better get to work developing a new generation of nuclear plants pdq. In the meantime the best bet is natural gas.

Driving your car by day and recharging overnight using solar energy doesn't work very well.

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LOL like an onion headline. Though, cold showers ARE very good for you.

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maybe it's to get public support for the new "Lithium Valley" mining projects...

https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/california-power-generation-and-power-sources/geothermal-energy/lithium-valley

Just okay this here mining projects, peeps, and we'll loosen the choke chain....

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LMAO

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I doubt they ever considered it to be an issue of EVs for everyone.

My suggestion is that we remove cars, petrol, diesel, electric, everything, from the planet. Totally away from the petrol or battery issues they're insane resource hogs. 2 tonnes on average of metal, rubber, plastic, tech. Huge footprint on planet.

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We should start by confiscating all the little private jets of the elites like John Kerry, who famously said that commercial airliners were "not for people like me." Could someone please put this horse faced idiot down?

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Well you might be able to get away with death threats but the rest of us can't.

Agree though that private jets are a bane.

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> My suggestion is that we remove cars, petrol, diesel, electric, everything, from the planet.

No. I want the ability to go where I want, when I want. Offer a better market solution if you don't like how they're being made. You don't get to take my shit.

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The better market solution is trams, trains, bicycles and electric bicycles.

The current 'market' propagandizes against them. BTW I tend to the view that for now cars are needed in rural areas. But not in urban ones.

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"For now." You let me know when that changes so I can give up my vehicles that I own.

I wouldn't want to continue enjoying freedom of movement after it becomes uncivilized even for us rednecks to go where we want when we want.

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I can't see any other option for now. Maybe that might change in the future. Seems doubtful though.

I grew up on a farm Guttermouth. I can drive a tractor, I've sown and harvested wheat, milked cows & cleared land.

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For an "ungovernable" person, you seem to have a lot of ideas about how other people should be compelled to live. It's an interesting contradiction.

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You seem intent on squeezing out whatever negative you can from my posts. Cars are unsustainable in an urban environment. As I said previously if all 8 billion of us had a car we would not have a liveable planet for long. In fact my view is that cars are part of the downfall of America. So put that in your redneck pipe and smoke it.

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Show me how you transport 3tons of bricks 35 kilometers through hilly and wooded terrain, using a bike.

In one day.

Then I'll listen.

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Three hundred triathletes with backpacks?

We'd have to start repurposing members of the laptop class, but I think it could be done.

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You don't. As I said I don't think there's any other options rurally than what we currently have or versions of.

But is a 4 tonne SUV really necessary for urban environments or even say within a few kms of them? No.

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So how do you know the person driving said vehicle doesn't also use it in rural settings?

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The “market solution” is the one the market demands. Apparently that’s cars. Forcing a “solution” has nothing to do with “the market”.

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It has everything to do with coercion and control, which is why I'm being so critical.

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You want to see coercion have a look at Los Angeles, or indeed Dunedin, in the 1940s. The oil companies coerced their way into market domination.

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Just as they did into the medical field.

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So, we are all going Amish then? Horses, buggies, no electricity (tho some Amish bishops allow it in the barns), can our food, kill the livestock. Oh yes, it'll be a rewarding life filled with so much exercise you won't need that Peloton bike or running shoes anymore. Saddle up Bessie, we're going to barter with the neighbor son.

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It will be a two-tiered system: Normal life for "them", and an Amish life for the rest of us.

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Not what I want. I suggest trams, trains, bikes, electric bikes. No cars for anyone.

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You first.

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Two electric bikes here and two non electric bikes, one a mountain bike and the other a fairly ordinary run of the mill road bike.

I use them everyday. I do supermarket visits on them.

Your turn.

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How far to the supermarket, and what kind of road? About six miles for me, on gravel roads. I'm not sure I want to try a bike on them. Still capable of walking if I want to spend the time, but trying to carry the groceries back is daunting.

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Do those bikes contain any rubber or plastic or lubricants or seals? Were they constructed using only wind or solar energy? Are you saying you own no other vehicles?

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55 km one way just to get to the nearest 'urban' centre here, so even an electric bike isn't going to cut it. i could saddle up one of my horses, but that is still going to be a very long day (if i'm lucky). and, no, you are not going to get me to move away from the forest into a city. in my work as a forester, i often drive over 500 km/day, thanks to govt centralization and corporate monopolies in BC. can't wait for the batteries to run out on the back roads....

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So the fire department shold use what to be there on time, with their equipment?

A tram? Get real.

Any technical solution must be made so that it works within the pre-existing frame. It may very well redefine the frame once established, but you can't start with redfining the frame and then design the technology necessary to make the new frame real.

That always ends in disaster.

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FFS Rikard do you have anymore absurd examples that you can come up with?

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Bicycles are fine in nice weather but what about the winter when it is really cold 20s, 10s. Shopping would be limited as there is only so much you can carry or put on your bike, so we'd be shopping much more frequently.

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Nope. I'm not living like that. This is completely nonviable for communities like mine and I'm not moving back to a dense urban shithole just to please you.

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I've never advocated the above transport options for rural areas. They're unworkable. Until something new comes up, cars, trucks, utes/pick-ups are the only option in rural areas. But for urban areas let's go back to what worked before the oil companies bought out/bribed all the tram/train operators.

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YES!!! I've wanted horses my entire life! I might even settle for a mule or two. Goats or sheep to "mow" the yard. Sigh.

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You’re funnier than Sylvester

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Yet another problem: While the problem of thieves robbing construction sites, stripping and sometimes even destroying buildings for the metal scrap (pipes, wiring, etc). has been a problem for decades, now charge stations are a target. Record-high commodity prices and lax legal system exacerbate the problem. Already in short supply, it's kind of tough to recharge your shiny Tesla if there's no cable to connect to your car. And replacement parts are delayed because they come from China, perhaps with raw materials from Russia.

Nearly sixty years ago, Bob Dylan ("Subterranean Homesick Blues") almost forecast this exact problem: "The pump don't work cause the vandal took the handle."

This is an excellent example of a systemic problem: Most, if not all, of our culture and even civilization was based on being "high-trust." As the level of trust wanes in a society, lots of amenities go away. I'm old enough to recall when newspaper stands had "honor boxes," although they were well on the way out by the 1960s. Yes boys and girls, there actually was a time when most people would put in the dime or whatever for the daily paper on the honor system. If that hadn't been true, then the newspaper dealer would not have been able to remain in business.

This all is just a sad commentary on where our world is headed. I'm not sure what the final stop is, but it won't be a very nice neighborhood.

As the saying goes, "This is why we can't have nice things."

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Well, that narrative is falling apart quicker than "safe and effective"

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The point still stands, but the news story is actually from last June.

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you can't tell buttigieg and kerry anything. not much makes sense anymore. It's all run on emotion, and it's as if just saying something makes it true because you want it to. there is no thought to unintended consequences. i'm trying to figure out a rocket stove steam engine generator. anyone know of one of those? i've gotten hints from the internet, but can't quite put it all together.

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🤪. I mean here in San Francisco we routinely have rolling blackouts when it’s hot and time for wild fires. The grid can barely handle the AC units. Let alone everyone driving an EV and charging it.

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Wonder why we keep lighting all the empty business buildings and streets in all of the cities of the world all night long? This must use a massive amount of energy coming from somewhere and it is not solar or wind. I am sure there are other ways to create safety.

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First the gov't promotes and subsidizes it; then they tax it; then they tax and regulate it out of use.

Gas and oil are at the final stage, while electric vehicles are about to begin Stage 2.

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hubbs and I watch very little tv. But there is Roku

The programs that have commercials are nearly intolerable.

We are being barraged with EV commercials

Who is going to buy an all electric vehicle? Democrats are so so so stupid.

Or maybe, "electric for thee, gas for me" because important people need that gas more than you do.

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