a bunch of students were super mean to other students because they got given some bossypants prison guard authority and it got all out of hand.
but then some other people said that maybe the whole experiment was invalid because probably some of the experimenters might have egged the guards on and that this meant it was not realistic.
so, now that they have replicated it with a whole real-life prison island, do you think these folks should retract their criticism?
because it seems like maybe they should…
also, i think maybe they let this one run on a little long.
did they not have any ethicists monitoring the study?
you’d think that after what happened last time they would have…
I live in the hell that is New York State. King Kathy Hochul, the unelected governor of New York State, issued a mask mandate for the entire New York state in December 2021. The edict on high with no input from the NYS Legislature nor from the slaves that live in New York State, requires:
Masks be worn in all indoor places, unless the business or venue requires proof of vaccination for entry
The useless overreach mandate was supposed to expire on January 15th, 2022.
King Kathy has extended the mask mandate until February 1, 2022. It will be extended again, and again and again...
Last week I got one of your products, I would say the best in your catalogue, namely SARS-COV-2. I was very attracted to it from the very beggining, but I have to admit that is was the commercials that finally pushed me to make the decision. My fav is the one with people dropping dead on the street. Excellent! So, honestly, I was expecting one hell of a ride.
But, the reality is very different at the moment. Just one day of fever and one night with a sore throat. And, apparently, the amusement is gone.
I expect some new features in the coming days. Otherwise, I will have to fill a complaint or something.
Can you even see yourself doing this? They could never make me do this to other people...how do they sleep at night...they know it's wrong at a human level yet they still persist.
How can they kick Novak out of the AO because he won't conform...how can the other players not drop out in protest of this massive misuse of their authority and bring it to bear on one HUMAN BEING...disgusting!
Acquaintances from Australia are, historically, the most "liberal" of all people I know. Over the years, they've relished every opportunity to explain to me what was wrong with America, starting with the Second Amendment. They now regret giving up private ownership of guns. It's worth meditating on their experience.
Gato, while this is totally off subject I found it soo sarcastically funny I thought you and your cats would appreciate: feel free to take this one and run with it:
Background is tragic (sorry to Tonga, prayers go with you, the sarcasm is directed at New Zealand.) Tonga was hit with natural disaster and New Zealand to send aid)
(Reuters, today, Jan 19, 22): “New Zealand said Tonga, one of the few countries to be free of the new coronavirus, had agreed to receive two of its ships, the Aotearoa and the Wellington, despite concerns about importing a COVID-19 outbreak that would exacerbate its crisis.”
The experiment was obviously valid and the naysayers had an overzealous view of humanity. As JBP says, if they lived in pre-WW2, most people would have been Nazis. I think he specifies "you" but I think we've seen who would and would not have been a Nazi and it isn't anyone here.
I know they’d just counter with heavier tactics, but I wonder what would happen if a few people set themselves up as unmasked decoys while their club-wielding mates waited in ambush to greet the enforcers? Not advocating, of course, just wondering. It’s bound to happen eventually.
So many classic social psychology studies still stand as essential reading. Zimbardo's work can't be replicated due to ethics rules of course, but would have been useful to understand nuances in further research, given we are all now in the full on planetary experiment with no informed consent or debriefing when it is over.
I visited Australia once and was quite disillusioned. I thought Aussies were like Merikans with an independent go F-yourself spirit. Nope. Very very conformist society. We actually had to go through a breathalyzer checkpoint setup on a road once. They were stopping everyone and everyone complied.
I sat on the beach once and watched Chinese container barges in an endless stream. Then I knew why Australia felt so icky to me. It is so close to China with a very close relationship (even more than the US).
The best word ever invented in the whole of human civilization is "no." No explanations, no elucidating, no modifying, no extrapolating, no bargaining, no conditionalization--just "no."
It's hard to stick to that one little syllable. "No, because..."
If you want to make their heads explode, JUST SAY NO.
Perhaps they should start handing out awards next to their oppressors and donate the money like this war criminal is doing to Holocaust education. As Bugs Bunny would say “Ironic ain’t it”!!
Seems like the real-world "testing" (duplication?) we have enjoyed, of both the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiments, places the ostensible criticisms of the conclusions of either in a different, and unfavorable, light. I admit that the criticisms, particularly of Milgram, were initially persuasive. However, it seems more and more like people are *exactly* as crappy as those experiments indicated, particularly when they acquire (undeserved?) power over their fellow man. Then again, pretty much every government in the history of governments has exemplified that truth!
Most modern-day ethicists are utilitarians/consequentialists (think Peter Singer) so they are just fine with anything that is for "the greater good." Modern ethics can't help but stan totalitarianism .
Humans can be gutless wonders when there is a paycheck involved. They used to say insanity was the exception in individual humans but the rule in a mob. These insane public individuals send the police to start acting as a mob. Insanity times two.
Reading comments, i think the worst of it has been the sheer magnitude of the deception, followed by the despots who cremated all human & civil rights (the corrupt judiciary & media) in their evil, dark, actions to force poision into the people..
Yes, these corrupt police look familiar, in fact i think they are the one's I saw on TV here in Oz a few months ago in Victoria & New South Wales. The same ones inciting crowds, generally breaking laws, harrassing, insulting people, shooting people with rubber bullets etc...
Australia, the former penal colon-y now being run by the penises and awholes!
Fauci Diaper;
-invented by the universe's sexiest octogenarian, Dr Wuhan Tony 'Snoopy' Fauci
-a Cough IT 1984 face mask that gives you 5 TIMES the protection of the beta light blue surgical masks defended and adorned by the brave and well-researched Slave Lemmings of the Covidopalypse.
-do the math dammit, 5 TIMES...........ZER0!!!!!
-most intriguing aspects of the Fauci Diaper are that before you take the Diaper fresh out of its package and attaching the Diaper to your face, the Fauci Diaper has the awe-inspiring distinction of already being full of SHIT!
These cops are (mis)using the same authority they've always had, and in similarly brilliant fashion, they just have new targets of enforcement now. So where are we at now? Back the Blue or ACAB?
Well, here is your peaceful visit, the other variety isn't allowed to be recorded. Note the Totally Dumb Ass Questions from the FIB. Do Not Talk to the FIB is the 100% advice from lawyers. Up to you.
1. The first picture, with the paper bag over the head, reminds me of something I watched months ago. I think it was Australia. Some COVID-positive persons getting off a bus with trash bags over their heads and tied around their necks with a string. To prevent transmission! Still, probably more effective than the vacshit.
2. The second picture is very descriptive since the mask they are forcing on her is USELESS. Again, more useful than the vacshit.
gato! i really do hope you screen your comment section!
i don't have the literary gift as you have so it's up to you to write a spy thriller which would revolve around the idea how omicron was also engineered in the lab by the good guys to stifle efforts of the vaccinators.
The utter dehumanization that had been done in the name of those useless little fucking blue masks.
People wonder why I get so disproportionately furious about masks when lockdowns and lethal vaccines are surely higher priorities.
There's something so visceral about them. It makes me see red. Burqas/niqab do the same. I'm thrilled I don't live somewhere where I see them anymore.
I never thought I'd say this, but I now think the second amendment in the US might be the most important one.
Remember when the police officers were kneeling on blm protests?
All these cops must be fired. They can never again be trusted to protect our rights.
Will we have many cops left?
Good thing they got rid of their guns for their own safety.
You should check out the Asch conformity experiment as well.
This is what happens when you give up your guns.
I'm not sure if kittengarten curriculum includes the detail that the "ethicists" are too busy conducting the experiment to monitor it.
I live in the hell that is New York State. King Kathy Hochul, the unelected governor of New York State, issued a mask mandate for the entire New York state in December 2021. The edict on high with no input from the NYS Legislature nor from the slaves that live in New York State, requires:
Masks be worn in all indoor places, unless the business or venue requires proof of vaccination for entry
The useless overreach mandate was supposed to expire on January 15th, 2022.
King Kathy has extended the mask mandate until February 1, 2022. It will be extended again, and again and again...
Insane. Cruel. Evil.
No one bats an eye.
"Fifteen days to flatten the curve". Little did we know they were referring to the bell curve of human freedoms, intellect and self determination.
To the attention of the Wuhan Lab:
Dear Sir or Madam,
Last week I got one of your products, I would say the best in your catalogue, namely SARS-COV-2. I was very attracted to it from the very beggining, but I have to admit that is was the commercials that finally pushed me to make the decision. My fav is the one with people dropping dead on the street. Excellent! So, honestly, I was expecting one hell of a ride.
But, the reality is very different at the moment. Just one day of fever and one night with a sore throat. And, apparently, the amusement is gone.
I expect some new features in the coming days. Otherwise, I will have to fill a complaint or something.
Sincerely yours.
Can you even see yourself doing this? They could never make me do this to other people...how do they sleep at night...they know it's wrong at a human level yet they still persist.
How can they kick Novak out of the AO because he won't conform...how can the other players not drop out in protest of this massive misuse of their authority and bring it to bear on one HUMAN BEING...disgusting!
Acquaintances from Australia are, historically, the most "liberal" of all people I know. Over the years, they've relished every opportunity to explain to me what was wrong with America, starting with the Second Amendment. They now regret giving up private ownership of guns. It's worth meditating on their experience.
"bossypants", lol
It is easy to manipulate citizens into evil behavior when the government splits people into the "good" and the "bad" and institutionalizes discrimination of the "bad". I wrote more on this at https://digitaldollars.substack.com/p/stanford-prison-experiment-are-we
Gato, while this is totally off subject I found it soo sarcastically funny I thought you and your cats would appreciate: feel free to take this one and run with it:
Background is tragic (sorry to Tonga, prayers go with you, the sarcasm is directed at New Zealand.) Tonga was hit with natural disaster and New Zealand to send aid)
(Reuters, today, Jan 19, 22): “New Zealand said Tonga, one of the few countries to be free of the new coronavirus, had agreed to receive two of its ships, the Aotearoa and the Wellington, despite concerns about importing a COVID-19 outbreak that would exacerbate its crisis.”
See the irony?
My heart goes out to the oppressed people of Australia that has returned to its prison colony roots.
When I pass parents with their masked kids I make it a point to smile and wave at the kids, the biggest smile I can.
The experiment was obviously valid and the naysayers had an overzealous view of humanity. As JBP says, if they lived in pre-WW2, most people would have been Nazis. I think he specifies "you" but I think we've seen who would and would not have been a Nazi and it isn't anyone here.
I know they’d just counter with heavier tactics, but I wonder what would happen if a few people set themselves up as unmasked decoys while their club-wielding mates waited in ambush to greet the enforcers? Not advocating, of course, just wondering. It’s bound to happen eventually.
So many classic social psychology studies still stand as essential reading. Zimbardo's work can't be replicated due to ethics rules of course, but would have been useful to understand nuances in further research, given we are all now in the full on planetary experiment with no informed consent or debriefing when it is over.
I visited Australia once and was quite disillusioned. I thought Aussies were like Merikans with an independent go F-yourself spirit. Nope. Very very conformist society. We actually had to go through a breathalyzer checkpoint setup on a road once. They were stopping everyone and everyone complied.
I sat on the beach once and watched Chinese container barges in an endless stream. Then I knew why Australia felt so icky to me. It is so close to China with a very close relationship (even more than the US).
Australia "me-too's" China hard in every way.
I have been thinking a lot about that experiment in these times...
The best word ever invented in the whole of human civilization is "no." No explanations, no elucidating, no modifying, no extrapolating, no bargaining, no conditionalization--just "no."
It's hard to stick to that one little syllable. "No, because..."
If you want to make their heads explode, JUST SAY NO.
Perhaps they should start handing out awards next to their oppressors and donate the money like this war criminal is doing to Holocaust education. As Bugs Bunny would say “Ironic ain’t it”!!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-awarded-1-million-genesis-prize-for-2022/
I always kinda thought the Stanford Prison Experiment said more about academic culture than society at large. I guess, in hindsight, it just depends.
Seems like the real-world "testing" (duplication?) we have enjoyed, of both the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiments, places the ostensible criticisms of the conclusions of either in a different, and unfavorable, light. I admit that the criticisms, particularly of Milgram, were initially persuasive. However, it seems more and more like people are *exactly* as crappy as those experiments indicated, particularly when they acquire (undeserved?) power over their fellow man. Then again, pretty much every government in the history of governments has exemplified that truth!
Defund the police. BLM is right. I'll take my chances with thugs who are not on the Gov't payroll.
The Milgram experiment was very disturbing as well. People will litterally toture others just because an authority says "It's okay. Keep going".
Honestly they would have gotten more people to wear masks had they been optional.
Re: Ethicists monitoring the study . . .
Most modern-day ethicists are utilitarians/consequentialists (think Peter Singer) so they are just fine with anything that is for "the greater good." Modern ethics can't help but stan totalitarianism .
Check out Milgram Experiment
Humans can be gutless wonders when there is a paycheck involved. They used to say insanity was the exception in individual humans but the rule in a mob. These insane public individuals send the police to start acting as a mob. Insanity times two.
Just imagine if they had based it on the Milgram experiment instead.
Reminds me of the line from the Dowager in Downton Abbey, you give these little people power, it goes straight to their heads like strong drink.
Reading comments, i think the worst of it has been the sheer magnitude of the deception, followed by the despots who cremated all human & civil rights (the corrupt judiciary & media) in their evil, dark, actions to force poision into the people..
Yes, these corrupt police look familiar, in fact i think they are the one's I saw on TV here in Oz a few months ago in Victoria & New South Wales. The same ones inciting crowds, generally breaking laws, harrassing, insulting people, shooting people with rubber bullets etc...
Australia, the former penal colon-y now being run by the penises and awholes!
Fauci Diaper;
-invented by the universe's sexiest octogenarian, Dr Wuhan Tony 'Snoopy' Fauci
-a Cough IT 1984 face mask that gives you 5 TIMES the protection of the beta light blue surgical masks defended and adorned by the brave and well-researched Slave Lemmings of the Covidopalypse.
-do the math dammit, 5 TIMES...........ZER0!!!!!
-most intriguing aspects of the Fauci Diaper are that before you take the Diaper fresh out of its package and attaching the Diaper to your face, the Fauci Diaper has the awe-inspiring distinction of already being full of SHIT!
These cops are (mis)using the same authority they've always had, and in similarly brilliant fashion, they just have new targets of enforcement now. So where are we at now? Back the Blue or ACAB?
Well, here is your peaceful visit, the other variety isn't allowed to be recorded. Note the Totally Dumb Ass Questions from the FIB. Do Not Talk to the FIB is the 100% advice from lawyers. Up to you.
https://ncrenegade.com/who-watches-the-watchers/
Back in the 1940s, we’d have gotten drafted and went there to rescue these people and stopped this type of regime…..ah, those were the days.
I don't like most Aussies anyway, so I think it’s kind of funny. Besides, It’s all self-inflicted.
I daresay some of us have been quite mean back.
Apologies to the times I held back
Where is the link to the new experiment, please?
I think I watched this on Netflix a few or a bunch of years ago. Eye-opening.
The Standford prison experiment was nothing more than a hoax conducted by a prison abolition activist.
He seems to have a mask on so it must be something he said…
1. The first picture, with the paper bag over the head, reminds me of something I watched months ago. I think it was Australia. Some COVID-positive persons getting off a bus with trash bags over their heads and tied around their necks with a string. To prevent transmission! Still, probably more effective than the vacshit.
2. The second picture is very descriptive since the mask they are forcing on her is USELESS. Again, more useful than the vacshit.
gato! i really do hope you screen your comment section!
i don't have the literary gift as you have so it's up to you to write a spy thriller which would revolve around the idea how omicron was also engineered in the lab by the good guys to stifle efforts of the vaccinators.
don't think too much, just go do it.
Covid Origins - Leaked documents show attempts to prevent Disease X may have CAUSED SARS-CoV-2
A summary of the latest damning evidence
https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/covid-origins-leaked-documents-show